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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 03:09 |
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| wez | Afternoon lotuspsychje! What's the latest? | 05:09 |
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| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: At this point I'm not sure if I'm helping or just adding to the confusion. | 17:38 |
| Eickmeyer | No, you're helping. He just tried to install Ubuntu Studio with extra steps, not realizing that Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu {flavor} are configured completely differently under the hood. | 17:39 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm just sick of his poor, unresearched assumptions. I have a very low tolerance for stupidity. | 17:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Might not be stupidity half so much as much of the info on the Internet is total garbage. | 17:42 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: Yeah, that. Plus I don't like it when someone tries to argue against something that *I* wrote. The spirit of the word vs the letter of the word. | 17:48 |
| BloatJanitor | Even official Ubuntu documentation is misleading. Sometimes even when new-ish. | 17:54 |
| BloatJanitor | Is there a place to report possible copyright violations in packages originating from Ubuntu? | 18:19 |
| arraybolt3 | BloatJanitor: Probably just a bug report against the package in question would be good. | 18:20 |
| arraybolt3 | BloatJanitor: `ubuntu-bug <package>` should let you do it. | 18:21 |
| BloatJanitor | Someone already did but for bloat reasons. That's how I found it. The daily scraper found the bloat tag. Not much bloat imho but seems like a potential re-licensing issue of a 3rd party company's IP. | 18:21 |
| arraybolt3 | BloatJanitor: Or you could just let us know the details here. | 18:21 |
| BloatJanitor | Do I just report the same package they did | 18:21 |
| arraybolt3 | I would, they're two different problems even if their related to the same files. | 18:22 |
| BloatJanitor | one of the yaru? theme packages apparently has an amazon logo but according to the poster was relicensed from a different project | 18:22 |
| BloatJanitor | I don't understand how it works it just smelled fishy | 18:22 |
| arraybolt3 | (Which reminds me, there's an Adobe ICC profile I should probably be cleaning out of a particular package, grumble) | 18:23 |
| BloatJanitor | I'm still begging Gnome to automatically remove inkscape metadata.... | 18:23 |
| arraybolt3 | Check *one* wrong box in Photoshop and you end up with proprietary data in your picture. | 18:24 |
| arraybolt3 | I seriously dislike Adobe. | 18:25 |
| BloatJanitor | Reminds me of https://www.thurrott.com/windows/109962/windows-bloated-thanks-adobes-extensible-metadata-platform | 18:27 |
| BloatJanitor | I was looking for a SVGO single binary alternative but couldn't find one unfortunately. | 18:28 |
| BloatJanitor | Just to submit hundreds of PRs to Gnome at once. | 18:29 |
| BloatJanitor | Then automatically upon >10% savings over committed | 18:29 |
| arraybolt3 | I guess the lesson is, use open-source tools even if you can afford the proprietary stuff. | 18:30 |
| BloatJanitor | Yup. Even freeware version metadata can be found in Microsoft image files and DLL images from Paint.NET etc | 18:32 |
| BloatJanitor | Sell it as a security issue for infra -> https://github.com/cloudflare/svg-hush | 18:32 |
| BloatJanitor | Where do the files from /var/lib/app-info/icons/ come from? The App store or as a feature of Apt? | 19:36 |
| BloatJanitor | dpkg -S shows nothing | 19:37 |
| arraybolt3 | Try using apt-file search. | 19:38 |
| sarnold | poke around in /etc/apt/ -- iirc there's a hook script in there that downloads a bunch of that kind of stuff | 19:40 |
| BloatJanitor | apt-file search /var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-kinetic-universe/64x64/zynaddsubfx_zynaddsubfx.png | 19:42 |
| BloatJanitor | Searching through filenames ...sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory | 19:42 |
| BloatJanitor | Oh ok | 19:42 |
| sarnold | hah, did you delete your current working directory or something? | 19:43 |
| BloatJanitor | no? | 19:44 |
| BloatJanitor | apt-file search zynaddsubfx_zynaddsubfx.png also did nothing | 19:46 |
| BloatJanitor | it was just the last file listed in one of my bloat queries | 19:47 |
| BloatJanitor | OK so at least for the yaml related stuff I think it is from appstreamcli's apt config | 19:48 |
| BloatJanitor | from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50appstream | 19:49 |
| sarnold | thanks :) I can never remember the name of that hting when people ask | 19:50 |
| BloatJanitor | Ok so why does this exist? | 19:51 |
| sarnold | I think that provides icons and screenshots of things in app stores https://github.com/ximion/appstream/ | 19:54 |
| BloatJanitor | I don't have an app store installed. I do have these files though. | 19:55 |
| sarnold | you may enjoy removing that package, then :) | 19:56 |
| BloatJanitor | Ahhhh but see if I do, the icons and yaml still aren't removed. | 19:57 |
| sarnold | I *know* you'll love removing those ;) | 19:57 |
| BloatJanitor | Now i need to install a fresh run in a VM to see if they are on the base rootfs | 19:58 |
| BloatJanitor | Does Ubuntu keep a list tree of all files no installed by a package in each version and install type? | 21:14 |
| sarnold | can you rephrase the question? | 21:29 |
| BloatJanitor | There are files that aren't held by packages on a default installation. Does Ubuntu have a list of these files? | 21:37 |
| sarnold | ah, no, not that I know of | 21:42 |
| BloatJanitor | It would be interesting to see if any "scaffolding" related files should actually be in packages. | 21:43 |
| sarnold | dpkg gets very annoying about config files or conf files, I forget which | 21:46 |
| sarnold | so quite often files will go unowned because a package owning them is a royal pain | 21:46 |
| BloatJanitor | So appstream is both a recommended package of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop-minimal. Is there ever a situation where ubuntu-desktop would exist without ubuntu-desktop-minimal? | 21:50 |
| BloatJanitor | debtree being amazing once again | 21:52 |
| Eickmeyer | BloatJanitor: What you're seeing there is an inherited recommends. That happens as a result of being built by the germinate seed process. It's not a manually-built debian/control file. Therefore, it really doesn't matter. | 22:11 |
| BloatJanitor | https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/seeds/ubuntu.lunar/desktop | 22:12 |
| BloatJanitor | It says it is a superset so | 22:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah. What's your point? | 22:12 |
| BloatJanitor | I mean. It matters the second you have other flavors or spins in effort, management, accuracy and a small line of bloat. | 22:15 |
| Eickmeyer | So? Is it hurting anything? | 22:15 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like you've made it your personal mission to "reduce bloat". | 22:16 |
| Eickmeyer | This "bloat scraper". Where is it? | 22:17 |
| BloatJanitor | That's what everyone said until they guy who jumped shipped to Google Cloud put out a public form submission because of snap and the need to reduce. | 22:17 |
| arraybolt3 | I don't see how it matters that there's a Recommends in two packages that's redundant. The same package will be installed either way. | 22:17 |
| BloatJanitor | It's just a cobweb of scripts, services and RSS feeds | 22:17 |
| arraybolt3 | Worst case scenario it's some extra characters in one file. | 22:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, is it a script you wrote on your personal machine? | 22:18 |
| BloatJanitor | yes | 22:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok. Then we don't need your services. | 22:18 |
| BloatJanitor | well, my phone gets the RSS | 22:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Ubuntu is a meritocracy. | 22:18 |
| BloatJanitor | I never offered | 22:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Then please don't come to Ubuntu trying to "reduce bloat" in name, talking about this "bloat scraper" getting "tags" and what-not when we have no idea what you're referring to. | 22:19 |
| BloatJanitor | Launchpad has tags | 22:19 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: He's trying to be helpful, and this room is for discussion of Ubuntu. | 22:20 |
| ravage | sometimes i really miss the !kickvote command in ubottu | 22:20 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, but you're making it your personal mission to reduce this ambiguous "bloat" that is a matter of opinion. | 22:20 |
| arraybolt3 | In #ubuntu-devel this might be off-topic, but here it's not. | 22:20 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: But it's not, especially when he's doing it in #ubuntu-desktop. | 22:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: That may be true, and in #ubuntu-desktop this also may be wrong. But why would it be wrong to ask questions about stuff in here? | 22:21 |
| Eickmeyer | It's OK in here, but the minute it happens in #ubuntu-desktop or any of the development channels, we're going to have problems. | 22:21 |
| Eickmeyer | Rather, if it happens again. | 22:22 |
| BloatJanitor | I'm not in ubuntu-desktop | 22:22 |
| arraybolt3 | Ah. Understood. | 22:22 |
| Eickmeyer | BloatJanitor: You were. | 22:22 |
| BloatJanitor | Can you tell me what I said in that channel that was a problem and not a direct response to a question asked by a mod or voice? | 22:22 |
| Eickmeyer | We just don't want teams disrupted from doing their jobs. | 22:22 |
| Eickmeyer | BloatJanitor: In #ubuntu-desktop on Monday: <BloatJanitor> Why is libcolorhug2 a depends in debian sid and ubuntu lunar for the colord package? I got an alert this morning from an added bloat tag. | 22:24 |
| Eickmeyer | It's not your job to do that. | 22:24 |
| BloatJanitor | So once time without a mention against it, days ago? | 22:24 |
| Eickmeyer | It comes across as confrontational. I just don't want it happening again. | 22:25 |
| Eickmeyer | And your username is very suspiciously confrontational on such subjects. | 22:25 |
| BloatJanitor | This all seems needlessly emotional. | 22:27 |
| Eickmeyer | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 22:27 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not being emotional. I just come across as blunt. | 22:28 |
| BloatJanitor | The person who controlled that project had all references removed. They stated the hardware and project was dead. | 22:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Besides the point. | 22:28 |
| BloatJanitor | Those aren't exclusive of one another. | 22:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Again, besides the point. | 22:28 |
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