[00:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#4079 closed: update craft-archives and support apt pinning <Created by tigarmo> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4079>
[06:34] <mup> PR snapd#12671 opened: cmd/snap-bootstrap: Add support for essential snaps with integrity data (run mode) <Created by sespiros> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12671>
[11:15] <mup> PR snapd#12668 closed: image: fix odd output of 'Fetching ...' text <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12668>
[15:08] <kyrofa> Hey folks. ogra you about, by any chance? Still looking to learn a bit about `refresh-mode: endure`
[15:09] <ogra> kyrofa, well, that is (to my knowlede) only for services where you knoe it will not do any harm ... i.e. someting tht doesnt use SNAP_DATA for important things but only SNAP_COMMON etc etc 
[15:09] <ogra> *know
[15:09] <kyrofa> Okay so no magic as far as you're aware
[15:09] <ogra> the confinement should not get in your way here since your old namespace should stay around
[15:10] <kyrofa> Is that a recent development? The entire reason for app refresh awareness was because that WASN'T the case
[15:10] <ogra> yeah, no magic ... you should really know what you are ding when using it 
[15:10] <ogra> *doing
[15:11] <ogra> the app refreh awareness was mainly because your dirs change underneath you as i understood ... so SNAP_DATA becomes un-writable 
[15:11] <ogra> which essentially means your browser history/cache that lives in there can not be updated
[15:12] <ogra> the rest of confinement suld not be affected as long as the app is running 
[15:12] <ogra> *should
[15:12]  * ogra needs a new kbd ...
[15:12] <ogra> (or new fingers)
[15:14] <kyrofa> My understanding was not that the dirs changed, but that your access to the old dirs was no longer possible due to the confinement update
[15:15] <kyrofa> Indeed, the dirs don't change at all. A new one is created and the current symlinks are updated it all
[15:16] <ogra> right ... 
[15:17] <kyrofa> If rev 1 updates to rev 2, rev 1's data is still there, but the confinement now only allows access to rev 2, so rev 1's app explodes
[15:17] <ogra> you lose access ... thats the point
[15:17] <kyrofa> Right. Maybe we're talking past each other-- I was trying to say your old namespace doesn't stay around, but maybe you weren't saying what I thought you were saying there
[15:17] <ogra> but only on a filesystem level, the runtime stuff in ram persists just fine 
[15:17] <kyrofa> Ah, indeed
[15:18] <ogra> if you have a service that doesnt use the disk at all or only uses _COMMON, endure will actually wrok well 
[15:18] <ogra> *work
[15:20] <kyrofa> Any chance you know the history? That seems highly specific
[15:20] <kyrofa> I'm curious in the use-case that caused this development
[15:22] <kyrofa> Ah ha, I found https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/process-lifecycle-on-snap-refresh/140/20
[15:23] <ogra> IIRC chromium
[15:24] <ogra> oh, you mean endure ... not sure, but IIRC a customer asked for it 
[15:26] <kyrofa> Thanks ogra, I appreciate the help. Always a pleasure :) . I hope you're well?
[15:27] <ogra> yeah, i am 🙂
[15:27] <ogra> you too ? 
[15:27] <kyrofa> Yeah, things are good! Baby #6 is due here pretty soon-- our second girl!
[15:28] <ogra> OMG !
[15:28] <ogra> half a football team !
[15:28] <kyrofa> Yeah I'll get there one day
[15:28] <kyrofa> :P
[15:28] <ogra> lol
[21:58] <lissyx> taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1998980/comments/4
[21:58] <mup> Bug #1998980: Snap sandbox blocks kcmp, used by Mesa <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1998980>
[21:58] <lissyx> I am unsure where to look for "base template for all snaps"
[22:00] <lissyx> is it https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/interfaces/seccomp/template.go ?
[22:13] <mup> PR snapd#12672 opened: interfaces/seccomp/template,Adding kcmp to allow Mesa usecases <Created by lissyx> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12672>
[22:33] <mup> PR snapd#12672 closed: interfaces/seccomp/template: Adding kcmp to allow Mesa usecases <Created by lissyx> <Closed by lissyx> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12672>
[22:33] <mup> PR snapd#12673 opened: interfaces/seccomp/template: Adding kcmp to allow Mesa usecases <Created by lissyx> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12673>
[23:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#4081 opened: Kernel plugin improvements 1 <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4081>