[05:30] <nightstrike_> does anyone know how to run a second instance of xquartz on a separate desktop so that I can use multipass to run KDE as the window manager on that other display server?
[10:57] <LuisPearanda[m]> Hi nightstrike_! I don't master macOS, I'd suggest you to go to xquartz.org and see how to do it. On the other hand, Multipass can run any display manager, as shown [here](https://multipass.run/docs/set-up-a-graphical-interface#heading--using-x11-forwarding). If I understand it correctly, maybe you don't need a second instance of xquartz to do what you intend.
[14:37] <nightstrike_> LuisPearanda[m]: x servers can only have one display manager at a time. So while I can open a window directly, I can't start for instance KDE. 
[14:38] <nightstrike_> Xquartz support is not too active these days. There's basically one person who has been working on it since it started. 
[14:59] <luisp[m]> nightstrike_: I see your point now. Not sure how to do that on macOS. But if you need something with Multipass, don't hesitate in asking us again :)
[19:55] <nightstrike_> luisp[m]: can multipass access the host graphics hardware to run X natively? 
[21:08] <luisp[m]> nightstrike_: not yet. We planned doing that at some point, but there is unfortunately no ETA for that.
[21:23] <nightstrike_> luisp[m]: ok.  So I'm still stuck between with X server I can't talk to :(   It's interesting, because the multipass wiki talks about doing it, it just doesn't really work
[21:24] <nightstrike_> I guess to be fair, the Mac section punts to the Linux section ;)
[21:24] <nightstrike_> https://multipass.run/docs/set-up-a-graphical-interface#heading--x11-on-macos
[21:25] <nightstrike_> As an aside, you don't need to add the overhead of an ssh tunnel to forward X over a local connection like that.  You can just tell the X server to accept TCP connections, disable auth with xhost +, and then set your DISPLAY to the IP of the host...  as in, export DISPLAY=192.168.0.1:0  // or whatever IP
[21:25] <nightstrike_> it goes a lot faster
[21:25] <nightstrike_> the fundamental issue, though, is that X servers can only have one window manager per instance