sarnoldman what's the deal with so many more folks running into problems that sure feel like they've run their systems out of memory? it felt like that was a huge deal 25 years ago, fifteen to twenty years when it wasn't a big deal, and now it's a huge deal again the last year or two01:46
ItzSwirlzsarnold, chrome tabs scary01:47
arraybolt3sarnold: Everything became a browser.01:50
arraybolt3Think about it. Most of what you do is in your browser, the heaviest app on your computer. Your email client is a browser. Your chat client is a browser (via Electron). Sometimes even your ISO flashing utility is a browser (balenaEtcher, which uses Electron). Electron is taking over the world and taking our RAM with it, and browsers have consumed our use of computers.01:51
arraybolt3Between a heavyweight browser and tons of apps-that-are-really-browsers, no wonder our systems can't cope. I have 32 GB RAM and am sometimes startled to see more than 8 GB just in use when I'm not doing all that much.01:51
arraybolt3There's also memory leaks - KDE seems to just gradually lose track of stuff the longer you have it on, and GNOME is a power-hungry behemoth.01:51
arraybolt3One silly hope I have is to make my own distro one day that has a bunch of tools that allow one to use the Internet *without* a browser.01:54
sarnoldItzSwirlz: lol01:55
arraybolt3(You could also just use Lynx and FrogFind but that's pretty limited.)01:55
sarnoldarraybolt3: yeah :/ it's pretty brutal. I keep thinking that it'd be nice to actually try out and contribute to gemini browsers, and then smack together silly little web<->gemini proxies for the content I care about, and try to get back to the internet of thirty years ago, but contents of today..01:55
arraybolt3Gemini browsers?01:56
arraybolt3Like right now I have nothing more than KDE Plasma, Element, WeeChat, Chrome, Thunderbird, Xiphos, and a couple of terminals running, and I'm idling at ~4.9 GB RAM usage.01:57
arraybolt3I've had it get as bad as 8 GB, I think.01:57
sarnoldmore gopher than web, but new :) heh01:57
arraybolt3sarnold: :O That looks so awesome.02:00
arraybolt3Just use APIs to port common websites over to that and boom.02:00
arraybolt3That may play into what I'm intending to do.02:00
sarnoldthere used to be a 'weboob' package in debian that I think had a bunch of that kind of tooling already written02:01
sarnoldbut the very juvenile names for everything was a bit much, I think debian kicked em out02:01
arraybolt3Ugh, I feel they took things too far removing image support.02:05
arraybolt3Even browsers from before the days of Windows 95 support images.02:06
rfmonce you start adding media types you've got the camel's nose in the tent and you'll be using gigs of ram again before you know it02:07
arraybolt3I suppose images can be transferred via links though.02:07
arraybolt3rfm: Heh, you're not wrong.02:08
sarnoldheh yeah02:10
sarnoldbut I'd so much rather load a dozen images all in one go rather than request them one at a time by hand02:10
lotuspsychjegood morning02:11
arraybolt3One thing I really like about Gemini so far is it looks so simple that it should be reasonably easy to make a client without security vulnerabilities.02:11
arraybolt3That would be amazing.02:11
arraybolt3Now I want to make a graphical client :P02:12
sarnoldjust don't go building it with electron!02:12
sarnoldthat'd spoil the whole point of the thing02:12
arraybolt3No, I'd probably do it in C++ and Qt.02:13
arraybolt3Though... hmm, that's getting dangerously close to a web browser :P02:15
arraybolt3But this is giving me some hopefully really good ideas. Thank you for sharing that!02:20
ice9why the main repo archive is not using https?10:07
ravagebecause it would be hard to distribute the certificates for an official country mirror to many people10:08
ravageso the decision was made not to use it at all. https is supported in general. you can find a https mirrors with https at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors10:09
ograice9, the Release files are gpg signed anyway (and get verified by apt) so https wouldn't be that much of an improvement ...12:05
ice9ogra, they are gpg signed by every archive independently or signed by canonical and distributed to the archives?12:20
ograthe latter 12:21
ograthey are signed by the (unique) ubuntu archive key12:21

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