[01:46] man what's the deal with so many more folks running into problems that sure feel like they've run their systems out of memory? it felt like that was a huge deal 25 years ago, fifteen to twenty years when it wasn't a big deal, and now it's a huge deal again the last year or two [01:47] sarnold, chrome tabs scary [01:50] sarnold: Everything became a browser. [01:51] Think about it. Most of what you do is in your browser, the heaviest app on your computer. Your email client is a browser. Your chat client is a browser (via Electron). Sometimes even your ISO flashing utility is a browser (balenaEtcher, which uses Electron). Electron is taking over the world and taking our RAM with it, and browsers have consumed our use of computers. [01:51] Between a heavyweight browser and tons of apps-that-are-really-browsers, no wonder our systems can't cope. I have 32 GB RAM and am sometimes startled to see more than 8 GB just in use when I'm not doing all that much. [01:51] There's also memory leaks - KDE seems to just gradually lose track of stuff the longer you have it on, and GNOME is a power-hungry behemoth. [01:54] One silly hope I have is to make my own distro one day that has a bunch of tools that allow one to use the Internet *without* a browser. [01:55] ItzSwirlz: lol [01:55] (You could also just use Lynx and FrogFind but that's pretty limited.) [01:55] arraybolt3: yeah :/ it's pretty brutal. I keep thinking that it'd be nice to actually try out and contribute to gemini browsers, and then smack together silly little web<->gemini proxies for the content I care about, and try to get back to the internet of thirty years ago, but contents of today.. [01:56] Gemini browsers? [01:57] Like right now I have nothing more than KDE Plasma, Element, WeeChat, Chrome, Thunderbird, Xiphos, and a couple of terminals running, and I'm idling at ~4.9 GB RAM usage. [01:57] I've had it get as bad as 8 GB, I think. [01:57] https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ [01:57] more gopher than web, but new :) heh [02:00] sarnold: :O That looks so awesome. [02:00] Just use APIs to port common websites over to that and boom. [02:00] That may play into what I'm intending to do. [02:01] there used to be a 'weboob' package in debian that I think had a bunch of that kind of tooling already written [02:01] but the very juvenile names for everything was a bit much, I think debian kicked em out [02:05] Ugh, I feel they took things too far removing image support. [02:06] Even browsers from before the days of Windows 95 support images. [02:07] once you start adding media types you've got the camel's nose in the tent and you'll be using gigs of ram again before you know it [02:07] I suppose images can be transferred via links though. [02:08] rfm: Heh, you're not wrong. [02:10] heh yeah [02:10] but I'd so much rather load a dozen images all in one go rather than request them one at a time by hand [02:11] good morning [02:11] One thing I really like about Gemini so far is it looks so simple that it should be reasonably easy to make a client without security vulnerabilities. [02:11] That would be amazing. [02:12] Now I want to make a graphical client :P [02:12] :D [02:12] just don't go building it with electron! [02:12] that'd spoil the whole point of the thing [02:13] rofl [02:13] No, I'd probably do it in C++ and Qt. [02:15] Though... hmm, that's getting dangerously close to a web browser :P [02:20] But this is giving me some hopefully really good ideas. Thank you for sharing that! [02:20] :D [06:48] morning [10:07] why the main repo archive is not using https? [10:08] because it would be hard to distribute the certificates for an official country mirror to many people [10:09] so the decision was made not to use it at all. https is supported in general. you can find a https mirrors with https at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [12:05] ice9, the Release files are gpg signed anyway (and get verified by apt) so https wouldn't be that much of an improvement ... [12:20] ogra, they are gpg signed by every archive independently or signed by canonical and distributed to the archives? [12:21] the latter [12:21] they are signed by the (unique) ubuntu archive key