[01:46] <sarnold> man what's the deal with so many more folks running into problems that sure feel like they've run their systems out of memory? it felt like that was a huge deal 25 years ago, fifteen to twenty years when it wasn't a big deal, and now it's a huge deal again the last year or two
[01:47] <ItzSwirlz> sarnold, chrome tabs scary
[01:50] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Everything became a browser.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> Think about it. Most of what you do is in your browser, the heaviest app on your computer. Your email client is a browser. Your chat client is a browser (via Electron). Sometimes even your ISO flashing utility is a browser (balenaEtcher, which uses Electron). Electron is taking over the world and taking our RAM with it, and browsers have consumed our use of computers.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> Between a heavyweight browser and tons of apps-that-are-really-browsers, no wonder our systems can't cope. I have 32 GB RAM and am sometimes startled to see more than 8 GB just in use when I'm not doing all that much.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> There's also memory leaks - KDE seems to just gradually lose track of stuff the longer you have it on, and GNOME is a power-hungry behemoth.
[01:54] <arraybolt3> One silly hope I have is to make my own distro one day that has a bunch of tools that allow one to use the Internet *without* a browser.
[01:55] <sarnold> ItzSwirlz: lol
[01:55] <arraybolt3> (You could also just use Lynx and FrogFind but that's pretty limited.)
[01:55] <sarnold> arraybolt3: yeah :/ it's pretty brutal. I keep thinking that it'd be nice to actually try out and contribute to gemini browsers, and then smack together silly little web<->gemini proxies for the content I care about, and try to get back to the internet of thirty years ago, but contents of today..
[01:56] <arraybolt3> Gemini browsers?
[01:57] <arraybolt3> Like right now I have nothing more than KDE Plasma, Element, WeeChat, Chrome, Thunderbird, Xiphos, and a couple of terminals running, and I'm idling at ~4.9 GB RAM usage.
[01:57] <arraybolt3> I've had it get as bad as 8 GB, I think.
[01:57] <sarnold> https://gemini.circumlunar.space/
[01:57] <sarnold> more gopher than web, but new :) heh
[02:00] <arraybolt3> sarnold: :O That looks so awesome.
[02:00] <arraybolt3> Just use APIs to port common websites over to that and boom.
[02:00] <arraybolt3> That may play into what I'm intending to do.
[02:01] <sarnold> there used to be a 'weboob' package in debian that I think had a bunch of that kind of tooling already written
[02:01] <sarnold> but the very juvenile names for everything was a bit much, I think debian kicked em out
[02:05] <arraybolt3> Ugh, I feel they took things too far removing image support.
[02:06] <arraybolt3> Even browsers from before the days of Windows 95 support images.
[02:07] <rfm> once you start adding media types you've got the camel's nose in the tent and you'll be using gigs of ram again before you know it
[02:07] <arraybolt3> I suppose images can be transferred via links though.
[02:08] <arraybolt3> rfm: Heh, you're not wrong.
[02:10] <sarnold> heh yeah
[02:10] <sarnold> but I'd so much rather load a dozen images all in one go rather than request them one at a time by hand
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:11] <arraybolt3> One thing I really like about Gemini so far is it looks so simple that it should be reasonably easy to make a client without security vulnerabilities.
[02:11] <arraybolt3> That would be amazing.
[02:12] <arraybolt3> Now I want to make a graphical client :P
[02:12] <sarnold> :D
[02:12] <sarnold> just don't go building it with electron!
[02:12] <sarnold> that'd spoil the whole point of the thing
[02:13] <arraybolt3> rofl
[02:13] <arraybolt3> No, I'd probably do it in C++ and Qt.
[02:15] <arraybolt3> Though... hmm, that's getting dangerously close to a web browser :P
[02:20] <arraybolt3> But this is giving me some hopefully really good ideas. Thank you for sharing that!
[02:20] <sarnold> :D
[06:48] <ducasse> morning
[10:07] <ice9> why the main repo archive is not using https?
[10:08] <ravage> because it would be hard to distribute the certificates for an official country mirror to many people
[10:09] <ravage> so the decision was made not to use it at all. https is supported in general. you can find a https mirrors with https at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:05] <ogra> ice9, the Release files are gpg signed anyway (and get verified by apt) so https wouldn't be that much of an improvement ...
[12:20] <ice9> ogra, they are gpg signed by every archive independently or signed by canonical and distributed to the archives?
[12:21] <ogra> the latter 
[12:21] <ogra> they are signed by the (unique) ubuntu archive key