Eickmeyerstudio-controls 2.3.9 is now in the official backports.14:33
EickmeyerFor 22.0414:33
OvenWerksEickmeyer: RE: yucky sound from zita-ajbridge. The package that got the change to fix this was: zita-alsa-pcmi I could not find that but noticed that zita-ajbridge does have a depends for libzita-alsa-pcmi0 which does have an upstream package zita-alsa-pcmi.22:48
OvenWerksEickmeyer:  the version I have the LTS is 0.4.0-1 the version with the fix is 0.6.122:49
OvenWerksnow that packages.ubuntu.com has come back... I see that lunar has the right one. kinetic is 0.5.1-122:52
OvenWerksEickmeyer: so it was not the zita-ajbridge package number.22:53
OvenWerksEickmeyer: there are some packages that depend on this including jackd (both) as well as zita-ajbridge. Probably this needs to have a new package available back to the LTS. I don't know if backports is still there or still in the process of being replaced.22:57
OvenWerksBut this may mean new dependant packages as well22:58
* OvenWerks thinks he is going back to bed.22:58
EickmeyerOvenWerks: I literally just sat down at my computer.23:02
EickmeyerOvenWerks: That information is completely incorrect. packages.ubuntu.com is known for being misleading sometimes.23:03
EickmeyerUnless you mean zita-alsa-pcmi23:03
EickmeyerThen, yes, that would require a backport as an SRU would be inappropriate. Lunar has 0.6.123:04
OvenWerkshello, I still have sore sides but a week ago I also got sick so I am a bit dopy23:04
OvenWerksyes I mean zita-alsa-pcmi23:04
EickmeyerNo worries. I eventually figured out what you meant.23:05
OvenWerksbut that is the problem with ajbridge23:05
OvenWerksI was just reading through some of the Ardour forum.23:05
OvenWerksIt is great to know that at least the latest is correct23:05
EickmeyerIf I can figure out for certain that nothing else really depends on it, I might be able to submit a backport to the LTS.23:06
OvenWerksjackd2 does23:06
OvenWerksaeolus, jaaa, aliki, japa, zita-alsa-pcmi-utils23:07
EickmeyerYeah, I just looked up the rdepends.23:08
EickmeyerThat's quite a few.23:08
OvenWerksjackd2 is listed twice?23:08
EickmeyerI only see it listed once.23:08
OvenWerkscould be muon23:08
EickmeyerI'm not using muon. I used "apt-cache rdepends"23:09
EickmeyerDo we know the exact bug and/or craziness that is being caused? That would make my life easier when trying to backport.23:10
EickmeyerAdditionally, this would require no-change rebuilds of each of those rdepends, and I know the TB is having trouble with the Backporters team on that.23:13
Eickmeyerteward: TL;DR because I know you're going to try to send me into the 30th nether of whatever void: we're considering a backport of zita-alsa-pcmi, which is a dev library for a handful of audio tools, because it's bugging out some stuff in the LTS. Each of those would need a NCR.23:15
teward*was pinged*23:16
* arraybolt3 tosses Eickmeyer a void protector23:16
tewardEickmeyer: NCR = No change rebuild?  *is high on sugar and drunk on hard cider right now*23:16
Eickmeyerteward: Yes.23:16
tewardEickmeyer: i'm confused, because it's my understanding the main repos *do not* include Backports in the builders23:16
EickmeyerIt's not as simple as a SRU since the only way to fix it is with a whole upstream version, so too many changes.23:17
tewardso an NCR *only* applies if you're going to backport the entire version of everything dependent on it too23:17
tewardthe other time it applies is if you do an SRU with the entire version with an ABI bump23:17
OvenWerksEickmeyer: the thread I find is going around in circles. but it comes down to "Zita-a2j is way too hot!"23:17
Eickmeyerteward: That's what it comes down to is that we'd have to not only ABI bump, but each of the tools would need an NCR, so I guess we NCR in backports?23:18
EickmeyerI doubt the SRU team would accept a whole ABI bump on this one. Too many changes.23:19
EickmeyerWe'd have to go 1-2 whole versions higher.23:19
OvenWerksEickmeyer: https://lists.linuxaudio.org/hyperkitty/list/linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org/thread/HCVROUMLYYT3ZTM6KVSGDUNVVCFKYH3N/23:19
tewardEickmeyer: each tool needs a backport then23:20
EickmeyerOvenWerks: ack. TL;DR: bug in the dev library causing issues in one tool.23:20
tewardand its own backport request, etc.23:20
Eickmeyerteward: Ok, that's probably doable.23:20
tewardbut i'm not sure we would do that if it's the same-version and not 'newer'23:20
EickmeyerIt's only a handful of tools, tbh.23:20
tewardthat's a backports team review decision23:20
OvenWerksthis also points to an Ardour thread :P  but Fons Adriaensen replies about half way down with: This is due to a bug in libzita-alsa-pcmi, which will affect all23:21
OvenWerkssound cards using the S32_LE format. This is s fixed in version 0.6.1 which is now available at the usual place: <http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html> How I could make such a stupid mistake is beyond me.23:21
EickmeyerWe have 0.6.1 in Lunar, so that's what we'd have to backport.23:21
EickmeyerSo, 2 versions newer.23:22
OvenWerksThats the good one23:22
EickmeyerI'll have to play with all of this in a PPA.23:22
EickmeyerRight now, my focus is tomorrow's beta release (and its corresponding announcement).23:23
Eickmeyerteward: Thanks for the info.23:23
OvenWerksEickmeyer: there are not that many cards using S32_LE 23:24
OvenWerksEickmeyer: no worries, I just wanted to get the message through before I forgot... again.23:24
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Right. I, for one, haven't experienced the issue myself, but we have seen people passing through that have, and they likely have S32_LE.23:25
OvenWerksYeah the device puts out 32bit stream direct instead of 24i23:25
EickmeyerStaggers the imagination.23:26
OvenWerksZoom and sound design are the two big ones23:26
OvenWerksThey take three inputs at different levels and choose the one just below clipping encoding it direct to 32 bit float. Supposed to allow set and forget level settings without having to set things 20db down. Most people just plain forget and the sound ends up crummy anyway. (Just read about one such case that is asking how they can "recover" decent sound)23:29
OvenWerksanyway, I do need to lay down. later23:30
EickmeyerGet well soon!23:30

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