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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:57 |
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| ahoneybun[m] | Heyo BluesKaj | 13:25 |
| BluesKaj | hey ahoneybun[m] | 13:26 |
| ahoneybun[m] | mmikowski: I'm looking at laptops but don't really need anything lol | 13:31 |
| mmikowski | Yeah, I didn't think so Aaron ;) | 16:08 |
| ahoneybun[m] | Plus I'm not really doing much that requires a new system lol | 16:44 |
| ahoneybun[m] | I do want to replace the Galago Pro with something but not sure if I really need it. The Pinebook Pro is pretty sweet. | 16:44 |
| arraybolt3 | ahoneybun[m]: You're going to replace a powerful Intel-based laptop with a weak ARM-based laptop? | 17:33 |
| arraybolt3 | ahoneybun[m]: Also you're not going to believe this, but based on the picture I'm seeing, the system76 Galaga Pro is essentially a Kubuntu Focus XE. | 17:33 |
| ahoneybun[m] | <arraybolt3> "ahoneybun: You're going to..." <- I like messing with ARM stuff and maybe RISC in the future. | 17:39 |
| ahoneybun[m] | <arraybolt3> "ahoneybun: Also you're not going..." <- Not my Galago Pro. | 17:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Ah. | 17:47 |
| ahoneybun[m] | It's more like the galp5/galp6, it's based on the same Clevo model. | 17:50 |
| clivejo | <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m] clivejo: We would certainly be interested in setting you up with a Focus. The newer laptops are looking nice. We have considered adding scotch-guard as an option :P <- I'm not a Kubuntu member or devel any more. I know Rik got one and tried drowning it, hence the jibes at him! | 18:26 |
| mmikowski | Haha, no worries clivejo, I figured as much. I don't know to many here (although I do know Honeycutt from s76 and Kubuntu) so I thought I'd toss that out there. What do you work on? | 18:29 |
| clivejo | Transitioning at the moment | 18:30 |
| clivejo | Solus -> SerpentOS | 18:31 |
| clivejo | Currently on Lunar until an installation iso is ready | 18:33 |
| mmikowski | clivejo: Ah, I need to look into that. | 19:29 |
| mmikowski | ok, looked into that :) | 19:31 |
| mmikowski | BTW, we spent a LOT of time looking into shipping kubuntu 22.04 LTS with btrfs, and did lots of testing. In the end, did not do it, mostly for non-technical reasons. | 19:33 |
| mmikowski | But definitely a fan of rollback and atomic changes and much of the other stuff they are pursuing. | 19:34 |
| mmikowski | clivejo: Getting packages to install and configure to hardware is quite a challenge, and one which Serpent appears to be taking on. | 19:50 |
| clivejo | yeah I know, I loved the way Solus did things. Delta package updates, nice logical packaging | 19:51 |
| mmikowski | It's definitely a lot of work, which is not just a one-time thing, but requires constant maintenance. For example, what kernel supports my hardware, and will the upcoming security release have a regression, how does the system recognize that and propagate that knowledge to others. | 19:51 |
| mmikowski | Tuxedo have Tomte; Kfocus has kfocus-hw. | 19:52 |
| mmikowski | Also focusrx. | 19:52 |
| clivejo | where are those kept? | 19:52 |
| mmikowski | that doesn't cover everything, but lots of work (and continued maintenance) have been poured into those. | 19:53 |
| clivejo | kubuntu packaging? | 19:53 |
| mmikowski | kfocus-source. | 19:53 |
| clivejo | ppa? | 19:53 |
| mmikowski | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kfocus-team/release | 19:54 |
| mmikowski | kfocus-source on github. | 19:54 |
| clivejo | found it | 19:54 |
| mmikowski | there are hw profiles implemented, including some esoteric stuff. | 19:54 |
| mmikowski | Like, when you install on a device with a QHD monitor, the scale factor for KDE by default increases to 1.5. | 19:55 |
| clivejo | I see | 19:55 |
| clivejo | shouldn't you be snapping all that :P | 19:56 |
| mmikowski | This requires work to maintain, including testing of that feature on every KDE release to ensure it continues to be supported. | 19:56 |
| mmikowski | Which we do. | 19:56 |
| mmikowski | We have substantial protocols to ensure all that stuff gets accomplished on every major Driver/ Kernel / Desktop upgrade. | 19:57 |
| mmikowski | It also has to work across all supported hardware. It's a lot of work. However, the goal is to be mac-like stable but with linux-like capability. | 19:57 |
| mmikowski | bwhaha, snaps, ... :P | 19:58 |
| mmikowski | Of course we provide Kubuntu, so the snaps remain. No offense to them, they definitely have their place. | 19:59 |
| clivejo | horror show! | 19:59 |
| mmikowski | I can see that perspective. | 20:00 |
| mmikowski | OTOH, installing this server was a snap, and it worked mostly quickly and painlessly. | 20:00 |
| mmikowski | But UI systems have certainly been a challenge. | 20:01 |
| clivejo | the firefox snap done my head in! | 20:01 |
| mmikowski | Like tying into a password manager on Firefox, or integrating a password manager; getting all that .. | 20:01 |
| clivejo | nuked the entire thing in the end | 20:01 |
| mmikowski | put together is a *lot* of trouble. | 20:02 |
| mmikowski | At some point, one has to stop abstracting the execution environments and run the code. | 20:02 |
| mmikowski | The art is figuring out where that needs to be. | 20:02 |
| mmikowski | I think some can strongly and persuasively answer that for a lot of desktop apps, running them in a containerized system may cause more trouble that it solves. | 20:03 |
| clivejo | seems to be the art of forcing it on users, whether they like it or not | 20:03 |
| mmikowski | OTOH, for 'TheLounge' snap was a real convenience. | 20:04 |
| mmikowski | Yeah, I know. | 20:04 |
| clivejo | that is why I formatted Windows off my machine a decade or more ago! | 20:04 |
| mmikowski | yeah, that too :) | 20:04 |
| mmikowski | One can never be 100% aligned with their allies. There will always be differences. | 20:04 |
| mmikowski | We run stock Kubuntu with tools on top, so it's not our place to question those decisions. | 20:05 |
| clivejo | when is lunar release date? | 20:05 |
| mmikowski | Oh, I can't help with that :) | 20:05 |
| mmikowski | My responsibility is with Kubuntu Focus management, not interim Kubuntu itself; that's Rik's call. | 20:06 |
| clivejo | 20th | 20:06 |
| mmikowski | The reason I'm not following is because we ship only LTS. 9 month support isn't good enough for companies that need research workstations. | 20:07 |
| clivejo | no bother | 20:07 |
| mmikowski | well it's nice meeting you. I'm actually working on a hardware profile right now. | 20:09 |
| mmikowski | fwiw, I'm almost certain that Tomte is also open source. | 20:09 |
| clivejo | is the nvidia driver open source? | 20:11 |
| mmikowski | clivejo: We don't currently validate the OSS driver version, as features our customers use are not always supported. | 20:15 |
| mmikowski | Specifically, ML libraries. | 20:15 |
| mmikowski | As the OSS libs mature, however, more of that is slated to move to OSS, and that may eventually supplant the closed-source libs. | 20:15 |
| mmikowski | FWIW, maintaining and pinning all the libs to support ML AND Steam is a real PITA. | 20:16 |
| mmikowski | All while using all-stock Ubuntu and Nvidia packages and repos. | 20:16 |
| mmikowski | Installing kfocus-nvidia does that. | 20:17 |
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