| justJanne[m] | What's the current situation with Wayland on Ubuntu Studio? KDE itself used to say it's experimental, and afaik essential features such as color profiles are still WIP, is there anything else I should be aware of? | 11:07 |
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| OvenWerks | justJanne[m]: I use wayland on only one of my machines and only because I need it for waydroid. I do not know how well it works for 23.04 but on 22.10 I find the scaling is off (everything comes out tiny). I have heard that is not as bad in later versions. On the other hand almost all software is still written on top of the X11 libs. | 14:23 |
| justJanne[m] | OvenWerks: Well, Electron, Qt and Gtk work fine on Wayland, and pretty much all software uses these frameworks, so that should be fine | 14:24 |
| justJanne[m] | > <@OvenWerks:libera.chat> justJanne: I use wayland on only one of my machines and only because I need it for waydroid. I do not know how well it works for 23.04 but on 22.10 I find the scaling is off (everything comes out tiny). I have heard that is not as bad in later versions. On the other hand almost all software is still written on top of the X11 libs. | 14:24 |
| justJanne[m] | * Well, Electron, Qt and Gtk work fine on Wayland, and all software I use uses these frameworks, so that should be fine | 14:24 |
| OvenWerks | a lot of plugins use X11 pretty directly. None of the plugins (that are stable) use electron, qt or gtk. I personally avoid electron based sw as much as possible. Ardour, which is gtk-ish based, is based on older versions and may not be wayland native either. That said, wayland does provide an X11 interface. | 16:34 |
| justJanne[m] | So, I installed it on another drive for testing, it works really well. Loving it already. Time to make the switch on my main system as well. | 16:48 |
| guitarman | Hi all. | 17:31 |
| guitarman | Has anyone else had the problem of using google meet or microsoft teams or any conferencing software really - the mic works but the audio in the room doesn't - when i look at speakers in the conferencing software it's set to default, when i try to change it it says jack sink - pulse out, when i cliick test i get no audio | 17:31 |
| guitarman | i'm on ubuntu studio 22.04 and have a usb audio interface - behringer um2 | 17:31 |
| guitarman | i can record and hear audio in mixbus etc. | 17:31 |
| guitarman | it's just conferencing software this is an issue on | 17:31 |
| guitarman | anyone else have this problem? | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | guitarman: Conferencing software will be using pulseaudio as opposed to mixbus which is likely using jack, therefore it will have to be patched differently. | 17:55 |
| guitarman | Eickmeyer: thanks for chiming in - youtube works for instance | 17:55 |
| guitarman | Eickmeyer: do you think I need to change something in the studio controls app | 17:55 |
| Eickmeyer | guitarman: More like you'll need to change something in a patchbay like carla's patchbay. | 17:56 |
| Eickmeyer | You'll need to set your pulse in/out to your UM2. | 17:56 |
| guitarman | hmmm | 17:56 |
| guitarman | lo9oking in carla, i have capture 1 and 2 going to pulse_in left and right | 17:57 |
| guitarman | i have pulse out going to system playback | 17:57 |
| Eickmeyer | And the videoconferencing software will also be needed to be set to the pulse-in and pulse-out. | 17:57 |
| Eickmeyer | System playback would be whatever your master is set to in studio controls. | 17:58 |
| guitarman | i'm in studio controls now | 17:59 |
| guitarman | in jack master settings it has the usb device that should be master set | 18:02 |
| guitarman | main output ports system:playback1 | 18:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, perfect. | 18:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Then in the video conferencing software, it should be set to pulseaudio source and pulseaudio sinc. | 18:08 |
| Eickmeyer | *sink. | 18:08 |
| Eickmeyer | *Jack source and Jack sink | 18:08 |
| guitarman | yeah so in the conference software I have: jack source and jack sink | 18:09 |
| guitarman | pulse in and pulse out | 18:09 |
| guitarman | yet still no audio | 18:09 |
| Eickmeyer | And everything is routed correctly in carla? | 18:10 |
| guitarman | yes | 18:14 |
| guitarman | syhstem captures 1 and 2 go to pulse in l and r, pulse out l and r go to playback 1 and 2 | 18:14 |
| guitarman | that's why it's a mystery | 18:14 |
| guitarman | youtube works which uses pulse sink to jack i think | 18:15 |
| Eickmeyer | open qasmixer and make sure your levels are up. | 18:15 |
| guitarman | master is 100% | 18:15 |
| Eickmeyer | What video conferencing software is this that you're testing on? | 18:15 |
| guitarman | Google Meet in this case | 18:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, that explains it. You might have to close every browser tab/window and reopen to get it to use it correctly after making any changes. It's finicky. | 18:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Basically, you can't have a browser window open while starting jack. | 18:17 |
| guitarman | still no go | 18:17 |
| guitarman | closed and reopened browser | 18:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Then you still have a hung browser process. | 18:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Which browser? | 18:18 |
| guitarman | google chrome | 18:18 |
| Eickmeyer | ok, open a terminal, type "pkill -9 chrome". | 18:18 |
| Eickmeyer | (Chrome is probably set to stay open in the background) | 18:19 |
| Eickmeyer | Then try it. | 18:19 |
| guitarman | so here's something odd | 18:23 |
| guitarman | it works in firefox but not chrome now | 18:24 |
| guitarman | So I guess that's progress. | 18:24 |
| guitarman | I wonder why it fails in chrome but works in firefox | 18:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Not sure. | 18:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Like I said, Google Meet is very finicky when it comes to audio and detecting stuff. Basically, it won't detect anything new if there's a previous browser process open. | 18:25 |
| guitarman | Eickmeyer: thanks for your help. I'll call being able to use firefox for meetings good enough. | 18:31 |
| guitarman | counter intuitive though, you would think the google stuff would work in chrome vs firefox | 18:31 |
| Eickmeyer | guitarman: If that works for you, awesome. Glad to hear it. But yeah, Chrome can be a pain sometimes. | 18:32 |
| tedthetrumpet[m] | Any chance of some more help just now with my Carla problem? I did the backports thing as advised, it still won't launch. | 18:50 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | tedthetrumpet: can you show me the output of `sudo apt-cache policy carla` ? | 18:54 |
| tedthetrumpet[m] | hang on | 18:54 |
| tedthetrumpet[m] | carla:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6251cb1191ba8a42a187583cfdf5d61b7274953b>) | 18:54 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Hmmmm.... | 18:55 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | !info carla lunar | 18:55 |
| ubottu | carla (2.5.4-0ubuntu2, lunar): audio plugin host. In component universe, is optional. Built by carla. Size 4,520 kB / 29,135 kB. (Only available for amd64, i386.) | 18:55 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Give me a few hours, I'll give you the latest bugfix release. Sorry, that one might be on me. | 18:55 |
| tedthetrumpet[m] | Ok, no major hurry right now, I'll probably be in bed by then :) would be good to get it working by the end of this week though | 18:56 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Well, if this doesn't work then you might have something else that's pretty broken on your system. | 18:57 |
| tedthetrumpet[m] | Ok, be good to find out! | 18:57 |
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