[11:07] <justJanne[m]> What's the current situation with Wayland on Ubuntu Studio? KDE itself used to say it's experimental, and afaik essential features such as color profiles are still WIP, is there anything else I should be aware of?
[14:23] <OvenWerks> justJanne[m]: I use wayland on only one of my machines and only because I need it for waydroid. I do not know how well it works for 23.04 but on 22.10 I find the scaling is off (everything comes out tiny). I have heard that is not as bad in later versions. On the other hand almost all software is still written on top of the X11 libs.
[14:24] <justJanne[m]> OvenWerks: Well, Electron, Qt and Gtk work fine on Wayland, and pretty much all software uses these frameworks, so that should be fine
[14:24] <justJanne[m]> > <@OvenWerks:libera.chat> justJanne: I use wayland on only one of my machines and only because I need it for waydroid. I do not know how well it works for 23.04 but on 22.10 I find the scaling is off (everything comes out tiny). I have heard that is not as bad in later versions. On the other hand almost all software is still written on top of the X11 libs.
[14:24] <justJanne[m]>  * Well, Electron, Qt and Gtk work fine on Wayland, and all software I use uses these frameworks, so that should be fine
[16:34] <OvenWerks> a lot of plugins use X11 pretty directly. None of the plugins (that are stable) use electron, qt or gtk. I personally avoid electron based sw as much as possible. Ardour, which is gtk-ish based, is based on older versions and may not be wayland native either. That said, wayland does provide an X11 interface.
[16:48] <justJanne[m]> So, I installed it on another drive for testing, it works really well. Loving it already. Time to make the switch on my main system as well.
[17:31] <guitarman> Hi all.
[17:31] <guitarman> Has anyone else had the problem of using google meet or microsoft teams or any conferencing software really - the mic works but the audio in the room doesn't - when i look at speakers in the conferencing software it's set to default, when i try to change it it says jack sink - pulse out, when i cliick test i get no audio 
[17:31] <guitarman> i'm on ubuntu studio 22.04 and have a usb audio interface - behringer um2
[17:31] <guitarman> i can record and hear audio in mixbus etc.
[17:31] <guitarman> it's just conferencing software this is an issue on
[17:31] <guitarman> anyone else have this problem?
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: Conferencing software will be using pulseaudio as opposed to mixbus which is likely using jack, therefore it will have to be patched differently.
[17:55] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: thanks for chiming in - youtube works for instance
[17:55] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: do you think I need to change something in the studio controls app
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: More like you'll need to change something in a patchbay like carla's patchbay.
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> You'll need to set your pulse in/out to your UM2.
[17:56] <guitarman> hmmm
[17:57] <guitarman> lo9oking in carla, i have capture 1 and 2 going to pulse_in left and right
[17:57] <guitarman> i have pulse out going to system playback
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> And the videoconferencing software will also be needed to be set to the pulse-in and pulse-out.
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> System playback would be whatever your master is set to in studio controls.
[17:59] <guitarman> i'm in studio controls now
[18:02] <guitarman> in jack master settings it has the usb device that should be master set
[18:03] <guitarman> main output ports system:playback1
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> Ok, perfect. 
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Then in the video conferencing software, it should be set to pulseaudio source and pulseaudio sinc.
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> *sink.
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> *Jack source and Jack sink
[18:09] <guitarman> yeah so in the conference software I have:  jack source and jack sink
[18:09] <guitarman> pulse in and pulse out
[18:09] <guitarman> yet still no audio
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> And everything is routed correctly in carla?
[18:14] <guitarman> yes
[18:14] <guitarman> syhstem captures 1 and 2 go to pulse in l and r, pulse out l and r go to playback 1 and 2
[18:14] <guitarman> that's why it's a mystery
[18:15] <guitarman> youtube works which uses pulse sink to jack i think
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> open qasmixer and make sure your levels are up.
[18:15] <guitarman> master is 100%
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> What video conferencing software is this that you're testing on?
[18:16] <guitarman> Google Meet in this case
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that explains it. You might have to close every browser tab/window and reopen to get it to use it correctly after making any changes. It's finicky.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> Basically, you can't have a browser window open while starting jack.
[18:17] <guitarman> still no go
[18:17] <guitarman> closed and reopened browser
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> Then you still have a hung browser process.
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> Which browser?
[18:18] <guitarman> google chrome
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> ok, open a terminal, type "pkill -9 chrome".
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> (Chrome is probably set to stay open in the background)
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> Then try it.
[18:23] <guitarman> so here's something odd
[18:24] <guitarman> it works in firefox but not chrome now
[18:24] <guitarman> So I guess that's progress.
[18:24] <guitarman> I wonder why it fails in chrome but works in firefox
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> Not sure.
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> Like I said, Google Meet is very finicky when it comes to audio and detecting stuff. Basically, it won't detect anything new if there's a previous browser process open.
[18:31] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: thanks for your help.  I'll call being able to use firefox for meetings good enough.
[18:31] <guitarman> counter intuitive though, you would think the google stuff would work in chrome vs firefox 
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: If that works for you, awesome. Glad to hear it. But yeah, Chrome can be a pain sometimes.
[18:50] <tedthetrumpet[m]> Any chance of some more help just now with my Carla problem? I did the backports thing as advised, it still won't launch.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> tedthetrumpet: can you show me the output of `sudo apt-cache policy carla` ?
[18:54] <tedthetrumpet[m]> hang on
[18:54] <tedthetrumpet[m]> carla:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6251cb1191ba8a42a187583cfdf5d61b7274953b>)
[18:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmmm.... 
[18:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> !info carla lunar
[18:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Give me a few hours, I'll give you the latest bugfix release. Sorry, that one might be on me.
[18:56] <tedthetrumpet[m]> Ok, no major hurry right now, I'll probably be in bed by then :) would be good to get it working by the end of this week though
[18:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, if this doesn't work then you might have something else that's pretty broken on your system.
[18:57] <tedthetrumpet[m]> Ok, be good to find out!