[18:12] <tomreyn> hiya: i would not know, sorry.
[18:13] <tomreyn> using wayland, not Xorg, might be a reason. but that's just speculation, you could make use the option given in the yellow box on the bottom
[18:27] <hiya> tomreyn: I know, just wondering why gnome page says something that doesn't work
[18:53] <eawfaw> I have an Ubuntu installation that doesn't have internet access, but I do have a way to copy files there... and I need to install some extra software from apt... Is there any way to "download" those apt packages in a different PC that has internet connection, and then copy some files to the isolated Ubuntu PC, and use that to instal lthose apt packages?
[18:54] <leftyfb> eawfaw: apt download <package>
[18:56] <Keksimus> lotuspsychje: Creat ticket on bugzilla) https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217333
[18:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 217333 in Drivers "No sound from laptop speakers, ALC294 codec" [High, New]
[18:59] <eawfaw> leftyfb: Thank you :)
[20:09] <Niclos> ./configure --enable-shared --prefix=/opt/python
[20:09] <Niclos> checking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
[20:09] <Niclos> checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
[20:09] <Niclos> checking for python3.9... no
[20:09] <Niclos> checking for python3... python3
[20:09] <Niclos> checking for --enable-universalsdk... no
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[20:32] <Eickmeyer> invitado: type :q
[20:33] <invitado> how to run a command in vim?
[20:34] <leftyfb> invitado: maybe ask in #vim or #linux
[20:34] <gry> write : then write the command
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[20:34] <arraybolt3> You can also type ":help <Enter>" in Vim for more info.
[20:34] <invitado> vim is too dificult :c
[20:34] <arraybolt3> Also if you have the full version of Vim installed, you can usually run "vim-tutor" for a tutorial.
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[20:50] <BinarySavior> low latency kernel has made itself to the first item in GRUB on booting, is that normal?
[20:50] <BinarySavior> when I boot into low latency, my nvidia drivers are not recognized
[20:56] <WaV> BinarySavior: Was this after an upgrade, or did you have the low-latency kernel as a backup?
[20:57] <sneakyimp> can anyone tell me how to list the keys in a particular file.gpg? I have been reading the man page and can't seem to find any way to --list-keys for a given file.gpg -- have also googled without luck
[20:58] <sneakyimp> seems like gpg always wants to assume ~/.gnupg/whatever for keyrings
[21:00] <WaV> sneakysimp: you tried 'gpg --list-keys file.gpg' ?
[21:01] <WaV> for private keys its --list-secret-keys
[21:02] <WaV> wow i totally botched your nick, and I apologize.
[21:03] <sneakyimp> WaV: yes, and that creates a ~/.gnupg directory, puts a pubring.kbx and trustdb.gpg file in it, and then fails with error: error reading key: No public key
[21:07] <BinarySavior> WaV, not sure if I upgraded or not, I haven't booted this machine in a few weeks and I don't remember if I upgraded before shutting down, booting into generic kernel loads the drivers just fine, my question is if low-latency kernel is normal to not accept graphics drivers?
[21:07] <WaV> sneakyimp: Is it possible that you encrypted the file with a passphrase instead of a key?
[21:08] <sneakyimp> WaV: i'm not dealing with any encrypted files. I just want to list the keys stored in a gpg file, then possibly use gpg to remove keys from that file, perhaps add keys to that file, etc.
[21:09] <sneakyimp> WaV: I can do gpg --show-keys file.gpg and that works, but I cannot figure out how to add/delete keys from some arbitrary gpg file
[21:10] <WaV> BinarySavior: Do you need the low latency kernel?
[21:11] <WaV> sneakyimp: Not sure. Keys are typically stored in a keyring as I understand it. Not in the gpg file itself. May need someone else to step in here.
[21:11] <BinarySavior> I don't think I need it
[21:12] <WaV> BinarySavior: 'dpkg -l | grep linux | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:12] <sneakyimp> WaV: i believe the file.gpg *is* a keyring (e.g. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg). And, as I said, I can do `gpg --show-keys file.gpg` and this successfully reports the keys that live in file.gpg
[21:12] <BinarySavior> Wav https://termbin.com/vgjl
[21:13] <WaV> sneakyimp: apt-key list
[21:14] <WaV> sneakyimp: To export the keys from apt-key list, you can use the apt-key export command followed by the key ID. For example, to export the key with the ID 01234567, you would run: 'sudo apt-key export 01234567 > mykey.asc'
[21:15] <WaV> BinarySavior: Which low-latency kernel is ubuntu booting into by default?
[21:15] <BinarySavior> the most recent one
[21:15] <WaV> BinarySavior: (if you are currently booted into it: uname -a)
[21:15] <BinarySavior> I'm currently booted into generic 5.19.0-38-generic
[21:16] <WaV> BinarySavior: So 5.15.69?
[21:16] <BinarySavior> and the low latency that wasn't working was 5.19.0-38-low-latency]
[21:16] <sneakyimp> WaV: I'm familiar with apt-key list (which is deprecated) and am wondering how I can use gpg to add/remove keys from some arbitrary file. that was just one example gpg file
[21:17] <BinarySavior> the only thing that may have messed with low latency is I did install Ubuntu Studio
[21:17] <BinarySavior> that was a while ago, and it has been working fine, granted, I'm not sure if I have been booting into low-latency or not
[21:18] <WaV> BinarySavior: missed that one, sorry.
[21:18] <WaV> sneakyimp: Sorry, this is beyond my knowledge
[21:18] <sneakyimp> Wav: thanks for your efforts
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: Sounds like you weren't running the lowlatency kernel at the time you installed the nvidia driver. To get it working, just run "sudo update-initramfs -u -k all" and reboot. You'll be good.
[21:19] <WaV> BinarySavior: You have two options. Edit grub yourself or from within the newest working kernel, remove the low-latency kernel that isn't working and the package manager should make the current kernel your booted into the default option automatically.
[21:19] <WaV> or that &
[21:19] <WaV> ^ not &
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> WaV: No, that won't do it. The Ubuntu Studio packages override that.
[21:20] <WaV> Ah, well 0 for 2. =X
[21:20] <WaV> BinarySavior: try what Eickmeyer suggested.
[21:33] <sneakyimp> can anyone tell me the gpg command line option (if any) that lets you specify the keyring file in which you'd like to list/add/delete keys?
[21:34] <jhutchins> Apparently not.
[21:36] <sneakyimp> jhutchins: sad!
[21:36] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: Ah, there you are.
[21:36] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: It's not in the man page?
[21:38] <sneakyimp> jhutchins: i have been reading the man page for like an hour, have tried --no-options flag, which suppresses creation of a .gnupg folder, have also tried `--keyring file.gpg` and `--primary-keyring file.gpg` but these do not work, either. the man page offers no clear explanation, and everything i try seems to want to create and inspect files in my ~/.gnupg directory
[21:39] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: Ah well.  No master config file?  You could always update the code and build your own binary.
[21:39] <sneakyimp> jhutchins: I have been reading that man page, looking at every occurrence of the word 'file' but cannot seem to find any example -- google is also unhelpful, as it returns commands that also want to work with one's ~/.gnupg directory and default keyring
[21:40] <sneakyimp> jhutchins: not sure what you mean by 'update the code and build your own binary' -- that sounds complicated
[21:40] <sneakyimp> the gpg man page is already quite lengthy (22,000 words)
[21:40] <migs> hello
[21:41] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: If it's hard coded, just download the source code, find where the path is set, and change it.
[21:41] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: https://www.internalpointers.com/post/build-binary-deb-package-practical-guide
[21:42] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: It's not that hard.  Trial-and-error takes some time to wade through, but then you have experience with a powerful tool.
[21:42] <sneakyimp> jhutchins: i assure you this is beyond my skills
[21:42] <arraybolt3> sneakyimp: Hold on, I'm sure I've done this before (specifying a keyring file).
[21:42] <migs> I was wondering if anyone could help me with this - I am trying to look for a program in the Ubuntu Software store, and I put in "wine" and there is the circle that keeps spinning and spinning. Sometimes it does this and I don´t know why
[21:42] <jhutchins> sneakyimp: Won't be if you try it.  That's how you learn.
[21:43] <sneakyimp> arraybolt3: thank you. it seems like an obvious/trivial thing to want to do
[21:43] <jhutchins> \!wine
[21:43] <jhutchins> !wine
[21:43] <arraybolt3> sneakyimp: gpg --keyring /path/to/keyring.gpg --no-default-keyring
[21:44] <arraybolt3> sneakyimp: Also you can search man pages by pressing the forward slash key, typing your search term, then pressing Enter. You can then jump to the next occurance of the search term with the "n" key. That's what I always do to maneuver through behemoth man pages.
[21:44] <migs> jhutchins, it doesn't matter what program I look for it just won´t display any results and just keeps spinning
[21:45] <jhutchins> migs: Try apt.  apt search <package>.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> migs: The Ubuntu Software store is known for doing this sadly - I don't know why it does, but sometimes it just does. Generally I have to use a different/longer search term in order to get things working right if I'm using the store, sometimes even that doesn't work.
[21:45] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Is this a "too many results" problem?
[21:45] <arraybolt3> I generally install applications with "apt" or "snap" on the command line. (Or I use the Discover software store, but that's a KDE thing, you probably don't want to install that on Ubuntu Desktop.)
[21:46] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: No clue.
[21:46] <arraybolt3> All I know is that you type a search term, and there's a thing in the center that spins like it's loading results... and it proceeds to spin for what appears to be eternity.
[21:46] <jhutchins> Prob'ly, buffer overrun.
[21:47] <jhutchins> Also less likely with non GUI tools.
[21:47] <sneakyimp> arraybolt3: I appreciate the man page tips -- and your command suggestion. This command does, in fact, list the keys in file.gpg, however it also creates a ~/.gnupg folder and puts a trustdb.gpg file in there, which are undesirable side effects:    gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring ./file.gpg --list-keys
[21:48] <arraybolt3> sneakyimp: Try adding on "--trustdb-name /path/to/file_you_can_delete_later" then?
[21:48] <arraybolt3> (Preferably a file that doesn't exist.)
[21:49] <arraybolt3> Or maybe even set it to /dev/null :D
[21:49] <arraybolt3> It sounds like it's looking for the default trustdb and there isn't one and so it makes one.
[21:49] <sneakyimp> arraybolt3: I have tried adding the --no-options flag but the command barfs when it cannot find ~/.gnupg folder...I'll try your latest suggestion. so difficult to do such a simple thing!
[21:51] <arraybolt3> sneakyimp: Yeah GPG can be tricky to get working for non-default uses.
[21:51] <arraybolt3> You should have seen the time I tried to keep my keyring on an external USB flashdrive (tl;dr: don't!).
[21:52] <sneakyimp> arraybolt3: you cannot set trustdb-name to /dev/null, it barfs with "failed to create temporary file '/dev/.#blablbahblah.hostname.363575" error and "gpg: Fatal: can't create lock for '/dev/null'" errors
[21:53] <sneakyimp> arraybolt3: however it might work to use `--trustdb-name ./delete-me` and then just remove the delete-me file later
[21:53] <sneakyimp> so kludgy :(
[21:55] <arraybolt3> Ideally there's just be a "--no-trustdb" option or something, but I didn't see anything like that in the manpage.
[21:59] <jhutchins> Sometimes man pages are pages and pages explaining the philosophy behind the development, with absoloutely NO practical use info.
[21:59] <jhutchins> (Sometimes they're the unaltered manpage template.)
[22:12] <sneakyimp> OK so I think I need to add a signed-by thing to my sources.list files -- what's the deal with the arch=amd64 thing?
[22:12] <sneakyimp> is the arch=xxx bit required ?
[22:26] <sneakyimp> i did a `do-release-upgrade` on this ubuntu machine and I see that there are files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d whose names end with .distUpgrade -- do these files do anything? they appear to be backup files from the earlier distro. Can I remove them?
[22:27] <sarnold> sneakyimp: yeah, if this is the first time you've noticed them, then you probably don't need them. it'd be worth looking them over and seeing if you want to try to put those sources back when you're done with the upgrade, though
[22:27] <WizzWallace> hi
[22:28] <WizzWallace> can i ask a question?
[22:28] <sarnold> yup :)
[22:30] <WizzWallace> what lightweight distro you know to atom computer with 1.2gb of ram?
[22:34] <migs> hello
[22:36] <migs> I have a question - if I delete a 200 gig file off my external hard drive in Ubuntu, does it take a while to process? It just sent it to the trash and I emptied the trash, but if I have all my windows closed it shows my external drive at the top left of my screen and it has a circle next to it that is spinning around like there is something happening to my external drive
[22:38] <luna__> Every time I try to choose the printer rather than a pdf, the dialog box vanishes.
[22:38] <WizzWallace> migs the people here never answer :/
[22:39] <tomreyn> migs: deleting a file really just means updating a 'table' in metadata that this file exists and where. this should be a matter of a second or, on an otherise busy disk, 5.
[22:39] <luna__> ubuntu has (another) internal crisis.)  drama queen
[22:40] <WizzWallace> xd
[22:40] <tomreyn> WizzWallace: to answer your question, all i can say is that ubuntu is probably not for this computer. there is #linux which covers multiple distributions.
[22:40] <WizzWallace> ok thanks
[22:40] <migs> tomreyn, oh ok thanks
[22:45] <tomreyn> migs: have a look at the output from the     sudo journalctl -k    command, it may have errors about writing to or reading from this external disks, if there are low level problems communicating with the disk.
[23:14] <jhutchins> mig
[23:30] <BinarySavior> Thank you Wav and Eickmeyer, do I need to run that command after booting into low-latency mode?
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: No, that's a one-and-done.
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: Just remember it any time you find yourself in the same situation, whether it's booting into generic or lowlatency.
[23:31] <BinarySavior> Okay well I ran it and rebooted into low-latency and the ddrivers still didn't get picked up, I'm currentloy reinstally the drivers
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: Yep, that's the next step.
[23:32] <BinarySavior> sorry typing on sideways screen, the only screen currently working is the vertical one
[23:38] <BinarySavior> thanks for the help Eickmeyer and WaV issue solved
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> \o/