[14:55] <Eickmeyer> alkisg: o/
[14:55] <alkisg> Oh. Matrix said "1 user here" :D
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> Weird.
[14:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Don't know if you know, but there is a direct #edubuntu:matrix.org room.
[14:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> (that way you're not going through the bridge)
[14:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk: 👋
[14:59] <alkisg> Didn't know; coming there...
[14:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perfect!
[14:59] <alkisg> Better! :)
[14:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep. That makes it less "bridgy", even thoug it's still bridged.
[15:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> alkisg: I understand you're still developing LTSP?
[15:00] <aaronprisk[m]> 👋 Hello!
[15:01] <alkisg> Eickmeyer: yes, I'm developing LTSP, we're using it in 1000+ greek schools here, along with ubuntu mate
[15:02] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: Didn't know that either!
[15:03] <alkisg> It's a good time to modify the /topic! :D
[15:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Excellent! I'm thinking of doing a minimal install mode next release that has everything, but with the client.
[15:03] <alkisg> We're also developing/using epoptes.org
[15:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes! epoptes! That's the word I was looking for!
[15:04] <aaronprisk[m]> Epoptes is fantastic. A lot of schools that I work with have been using it for their Linux deployments. 
[15:04] <alkisg> And there's a nice tool for user management for schools, it's in greek only; we once internationalized it and uploaded it to debian experimental as "ltsp-manager", but at that exact time we suffered a year of  no sponsoring, and neglected it, and it didn't get traction
[15:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> alkisg: No official email yet from the release team, so can't push the buttons yet.
[15:05] <alkisg> Ah, sorry, I didn't notice, I already downloaded all the isos :D
[15:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> alkisg: I'd love to take a look at that. I can sponsor to Ubuntu.
[15:05] <arraybolt3[m]> I'mma see if I can fix the Wikipedia page.
[15:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Even the Ubuntu Studio Wikipedia page is a hot mess.
[15:06] <alkisg> Eickmeyer: it's worth it to do a "greek school installation" in a VM once; it takes 10 minutes per school to have everything ready: https://ts.sch.gr/wiki/linux/ltsp/
[15:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes, my greek is very rusty.
[15:07] <alkisg> But unfortunately the UI of that apps is greek only for now
[15:07] <alkisg> Google translate to the rescue :)
[15:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> :)
[15:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> I had to learn some Koine Greek in college, but never enough to be fluent.
[15:13] <arraybolt3[m]> OK so MediaWiki is just about impossible to edit :P
[15:13]  * alkisg clicks "Δοκιμάστε το Edubuntu" ((Try Edubuntu) :))
[15:14] <arraybolt3[m]> OK so maybe not just about impossible but WikiText is horrible and the visual editor isn't fully featured yet.
[15:14] <aaronprisk[m]> Eickmeyer: do you have a link to Edubuntu 23.04 release notes?
[15:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Sadly, that tracks.
[15:14]  * arraybolt3[m] has other stuff that needs attention, be back to catch up
[15:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk[m]: Not yet, I'll have that once we post the release announcement because it'll be combined.
[15:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Amy's at work, but she's logged-in on my comptuter.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> > * <@alkis:matrix.org> clicks "Δοκιμάστε το Edubuntu" ((Try Edubuntu) :))
[15:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think you'll lke it. Sadly, the new tools (Edubuntu Installer and Edubuntu Menu Administration) aren't translated (yet).
[15:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nor are the application folders.
[15:20] <alkisg> To be honest, gnome is the most unsuitable DE for greek schools, so we stopped testing it, and it broke even more. E.g. if I select "Greek" in the initial screen, I cannot even type English anymore to type the username at the installer...
[15:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> That sounds like a Ubiquity bug.
[15:20] <alkisg> It's the im-config/ibus invasion
[15:21] <alkisg> I reported it like 10 times in the last 10 years,then I lost interest
[15:21] <alkisg> The main reason we stopped using gnome after 12.04 was because of the 3d requirement, about 80% of the school computers couldn't run it reliably
[15:21] <alkisg> (opengl)
[15:21] <arraybolt3> (The Edubuntu installer should work on other flavors?)
[15:21] <arraybolt3> So you could make Edubuntu MATE if you wanted.
[15:21] <aaronprisk[m]> alkisg: I'm curious, why did you choose MATE over XFCE?
[15:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes. edubuntu-installer does. So, Ubuntu MATE + edubuntu-installer should solve that problem for you.
[15:22] <alkisg> aaronprisk: because of stability, mate = the work of professional developers that developed gnome, then mass-renamed by open source contributors,
[15:22] <alkisg> while xfce = the work of open source contributors. Sad as it is to admit it, big, fully paid teams get better results
[15:23] <aaronprisk[m]> > <@alkis:matrix.org> aaronprisk: because of stability, mate = the work of professional developers that developed gnome, then mass-renamed by open source contributors,
[15:23] <aaronprisk[m]> > while xfce = the work of open source contributors. Sad as it is to admit it, big, fully paid teams get better results
[15:23] <aaronprisk[m]> Got it. Thank you for sharing your perspective!
[15:23] <alkisg> :)
[15:24] <alkisg> Eickmeyer: most apps for schools are KDE based, MATE is getting a bit neglected currently; so for maybe 26.04 we might switch to kubuntu... we'll see
[15:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> alkisg: Be warned, by then Plasma Desktop 6 will be a thing.
[15:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't know what that's going to look like, but hopefully the transition from 5 to 6 will go smoothly. Plasma 5.27, which just released, is the last version of Plasma 5 (and is an LTS release).
[15:26]  * Eickmeyer[m] has to go take my son to school
[15:26] <alkisg> Cheers :)
[16:36]  * Eickmeyer[m] starts pushing buttons for release
[16:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk: release notes/announcement: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/edubuntu-23-04-released/35281
[17:18] <aaronprisk[m]> Download and Release notes links are both live:
[17:18] <aaronprisk[m]> https://edubuntu.org/
[17:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> aaronprisk: Thanks!
[17:22] <aaronprisk[m]> Happy to help! Please pass along my congratulations to Amy on the big revival release!
[17:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'll pass the word along!