[00:51] <Gallomimia> seem to have no information about why i cannot launch steam. ubuntu 22.04
[00:56] <sarnold> try running journalctl -f  in one terminal, start steam in another, watch the output, maybe you'll find something
[00:57] <Gallomimia> thanks for the suggestion. nothing interesting
[00:57] <sarnold> :(
[01:21] <Gallomimia> there's 4 lines of good news if i run the steam client from term. nothing in the journal
[01:21] <sarnold> dang
[01:22] <Gallomimia> oops. i was wrong. it says the same 4 lines and then it says it consumed 2.356 seconds of CPU time
[01:22] <Gallomimia> which is not nearly enough!
[01:22] <sarnold> "I wanted to spend hours here"
[01:22] <Gallomimia> takes more cpu time than that just to load up the front page
[01:22] <Gallomimia> so, it quit cleanly?
[01:22] <sarnold> you'll probably have to ask them for help then :( if it doesn't emit anything to help you solve it yourself, it's hard to see what other options there are
[01:22] <Gallomimia> it's pretty strange tho, cause it worked yesterday
[01:23] <Gallomimia> i'll try a restart later
[01:24] <Gallomimia> and i also have several other interesting problems that i need to diagnose. i had a theory before getting a new gpu that i had a problem with my kernel option amd iommu enable
[01:24] <Gallomimia> and now it has all kinds of weird hangs and pauses when doing normal stuff. context switching extremely slow. unseeable alerts about devices at the very start of boot. etc
[03:06] <stuart__> Hello everyone. I was hoping someone could assist. I am using ubuntu terminal and need to apply a git patch to run make properly that currently isnt working due to a bug. i am not sure how to apply the patch. wondering if someone knows how I would? The issue in git i am trying to find is here:
[03:06] <stuart__> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/issues/6497
[03:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 6497 in Project-OSRM/osrm-backend "tbb/parallel_pipeline.h: No such file or directory" [Open]
[03:11] <enigma9o7> well i know how to do that one way, but dunno if its your favorite way.  first download the pull request as a patch https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/pull/6493.patch then from the folder you cloned, git apply /path/to/filename.patch
[03:11] <Max-P> there's literally the commands right in the last comment there
[03:12] <enigma9o7> yeah Max is right.  I didnt read to the bottom, that does the same kinda thing.
[03:13] <stuart__> yeah but when i try to apply it, it says which file to replace and seems to want to skip each one or specify
[03:13] <stuart__> i tried stipulating paths for each file as i enter them but still no go
[03:13] <stuart__> obviously noob and missing it
[03:15] <stuart__> ill just run it quickly again and paste back here what it's saying. i dont understand where and why it is asking what it is
[03:16] <stuart__> root@server1:/home/stuart# patch -p1 < patch-6497-fix-tbbparallelpipeline.patch
[03:16] <stuart__> can't find file to patch at input line 17
[03:16] <stuart__> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
[03:16] <stuart__> The text leading up to this was:
[03:16] <stuart__> --------------------------
[03:16] <stuart__> |From c760cb2282e14ef0a7cb546677eedd92763beb56 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
[03:18] <stuart__> https://pastebin.com/ZpsCFqAf
[03:18] <stuart__> the final line "file to patch" is a prompt
[03:18] <stuart__> im guessing it wants me to specify for each file its trying to patch where that file is with full path and file name. but not sure exactly where that is if that is right
[03:20] <Max-P> stuart__: you're supposed to run this from the root of the sources, you're in your home directory, and logged in as root at that...
[03:21] <stuart__> in the build directory or the CMakeFiles directory?
[03:22] <Max-P> the root directory of the sources
[03:22] <stuart__> hollllld on
[03:22] <stuart__> i think i got it. outside of the build dir derp
[03:22] <stuart__> sigh
[03:23] <stuart__> oh wow. i need sleep. thank you all for your help. i really appreciate it.
[03:23] <stuart__> lets not talk about it haha
[04:53] <Muligan> really crazy deal with this machine
[04:53] <Muligan> or (2) of them more so
[04:53] <Muligan> unable to ping 8.8.8.8
[04:53] <Muligan> but can 8.8.4.4
[04:53] <Muligan> place another machine within the same /29 network, able to ping 8.8.8.8
[04:54] <Muligan> so it's def NOT a routing issue as that's been verified
[04:54] <Muligan> but I can ping damned near anything else
[04:54] <rbox> what does 'ip r' look like
[04:55] <Muligan> default via the upstream router
[04:55] <Muligan> dev eth0 proto static metric 100
[04:55] <Muligan> and then the /29 to dev 0
[04:55] <Muligan> no other routes on this machine
[04:56] <Muligan> when I run a traceroute, it gets out past our network, and then stops at one of the IPs that belong to google
[04:56] <Muligan> stops right afterwards anyhow
[04:56] <Muligan> different machine, same subnet, different IP, routes all the way through w/o dropping off
[04:57] <Muligan> i'm not going to worry too much about it tonight
[04:57] <Muligan> these machines are going to be forklifted out here soon
[04:58] <Muligan> they're only recursive DNS servers
[04:58] <Muligan> had to perform an emergency p2v as last week, one of their processors started choking up
[04:58] <Muligan> old dell R810 w/4 procs, and something like 64gb ram
[04:59] <Muligan> all for a DNS server that hosted maybe 20 domains, and does recursive lookups for something like 400 devices, if that
[04:59] <Muligan> /rant
[05:33] <k000> The new version of Ubuntu will be release today?
[05:34] <Max-P> Muligan: is the /29 public? Any way you can add a new IP to the machine (as a secondary)?
[05:35] <Max-P> if it's a public IP, I'd consider the possibility that Google is blocking you, which would make sense if they're recursive DNS servers
[05:37] <Bashing-om> !isitoutyet
[05:40] <Muligan> Max-P, it is a public IP
[05:41] <Muligan> and I'm thinking that may be the case where it's being blocked
[05:44] <Muligan> not seeing it on any RBLs, but that's not saying that google has blocked it directly...
[05:44] <oerheks> !party
[05:44] <Muligan> I'll check to see whether or not if it's the IP itself, or the machine
[05:45] <Max-P> that's why I suggested assigning it a second IP temporarily, then do DNS lookup via that fresh IP
[05:45] <Max-P> if it works, then yep, you're blocked
[05:45] <Muligan> understood, thanks for the input!
[05:48] <k000_> !lunar
[07:26] <k000> !lunar
[07:50] <ThaterH> Hi, I run windows but want to try linux, what ubuntu do the marjority of people use?
[07:51] <zaggynl> Hi, what do you mean by 'what ubuntu'? The version number?
[07:51] <ThaterH> no the user interface
[07:52] <ThaterH> There appears to be different types
[07:52] <karthy> ubuntu is built by canonical right?
[07:53] <zaggynl> I think Gnome is default and thus most used
[07:53] <alkisg> karthy:  The company behind it is canonical, but there's also a vast community of vulunteers involved
[07:55] <zaggynl> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/ shows some recent statistics
[07:55] <zaggynl> This shows more than Ubuntu though
[07:58] <alkisg> It shows Arch having more users than Ubuntu, so their statistics don't reflect the global ones, they must be focused in some small group
[07:59] <alkisg> Like, if you review the linux school usage in my city, it's 90% linux; that's certainly not the global one :)
[09:31] <karthy> is dubuntu debain
[09:38] <benl90> Hello, could anyone please tell me, why I face this problem https://snipboard.io/gzbGco.jpg? I just reboot, and it stuck at that location for long time.
[10:04] <oerheks> benl90, seems like btrfs is checking your filesystems?
[10:19] <md> hi
[10:22] <Guest4788> kolo
[10:26] <benl90> oerheks, But it long time, it's already 2 hours tbh
[10:27] <benl90> It's only 1mb/s when checking *I look into the disk reading speed. It will take more than 2 days to check :/
[10:27] <benl90> should I let it be?
[10:28] <oerheks> I have not much experience with btrfs, this sounds like due to a hard reset of your system? i would let it run..
[10:32] <olspookishmagus> !pastebin
[10:32] <olspookishmagus> !pastebinit
[10:33] <olspookishmagus> hello, should I have installed Ubuntu 22.04 LTS on a thin client PC (Acer Veriton X270) and I want to give it some WiFi interface, should I expect a TP-Link TL-WN722N to work instantmagically or ... ?
[10:33] <olspookishmagus> this is the output of when I connect it: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/e832e5cf
[10:36] <olspookishmagus> possibly related thread? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=277432
[10:42] <kursat> hello
[10:42] <ravage> olspookishmagus: if it is a USB device find the details about it via "lsusb"
[10:43] <ravage> olspookishmagus: it is much easier to looks for a specific USB id to find a driver than a model name
[10:45] <benl90> oerheks, it's the cloud-init image from ubuntu, so it by default using btrfs :/ I can do nothing about it sadly. aaa
[10:55] <sam__> Hi
[10:56] <SamboMambo> Im using Ubuntu after using Windows since windows 3.11
[10:57] <gry> and yet you discovered irc only today?
[10:57] <SamboMambo> No
[10:58] <gry> good
[10:58] <SamboMambo> I've used IRC on and off
[10:59] <gry> sounds like it is working fine for you today; would you like to share a story in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:08] <k000> !lunar
[11:12] <oerheks> !party
[11:12] <oerheks> k000, no need to repeat that ubottu factoid
[11:16] <benl90> Is there really no way to by pass btrfs check on ubuntu? It takes soo long.. sadd.... *sob sob sob
[11:20] <oerheks> as it is a cloud image, ask your cloud provider?
[11:20] <oerheks> maybe there is an admin panel to fix things
[11:23] <benl90> It's on premis... not on cloud, but I use cloud init image, that's from Ubuntu cloud
[11:23] <benl90> oerheks, It's on qemu/kvm...
[11:24] <benl90> I only have problem with ubuntu cloud init image, not from other distro that's EL based :/, which makes me frustated... I can't go directly to EL based, because a lot of sysadmin here is using *buntu/debian based :/
[11:52] <akashik> good morning
[11:52] <akashik> good morning
[12:07] <JoeBk> when is 23.04 being released?
[12:12] <Guest87> today :-)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:17] <benl90> Really? Is it not possible to by pass btrfs from checking on boot?
[12:43] <matrixy1> what time is the lobster ready?
[12:44] <leftyfb> matrixy1: there is never a set time
[12:44] <matrixy1> k
[12:44] <leftyfb> matrixy1: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:45] <matrixy1> k
[12:46] <BluesKaj> the gnomes are still busy at their KBs
[12:59] <yossarianuk> Is this the final release ?  https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.04/  ?
[13:00] <JoeBk_> yossarianuk, I doen's say beta anymore so it must be.
[13:00] <yossarianuk> groovy !
[13:00] <ravage> yossarianuk: im sure it is. please try to to download before the official release announcement. also see  #ubuntu-release-party . if you need to get it now help the community and use the tracker: https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[13:02] <DumbLDoor> Hi All! I am trying to install Ubuntu 23.04 from windows. Where can I find wubi?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> !wubi
[13:02] <DumbLDoor> Ty Ubottu
[13:03] <leftyfb> !wsl | DumbLDoor
[13:03] <DumbLDoor>  !install
[13:03] <yossarianuk> I would avoid WSL
[13:03] <DumbLDoor> tu
[13:03] <yossarianuk> and run real Linux..
[13:03] <leftyfb> yossarianuk: lets not
[13:03] <yossarianuk> just burn iso to usb stick and install it
[13:04] <leftyfb> yossarianuk: that doesn't work for everyone for various reasons
[13:04] <DumbLDoor> i have a 4 GB stick and an 8 GB card w/reader which surprisingly does not work.
[13:04] <JoeBk> I use Ventoy: https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
[13:05] <leftyfb> DumbLDoor: feel free to install Ubuntu direct or using WSL. Up to you.
[13:05] <JoeBk> the torrent is up and working well.
[13:06] <DumbLDoor> I will try WSL - ty
[13:06] <yossarianuk> wsl = slower linux though, filesystem, etc - it's doing Linux down IMO - but each to their own .
[13:07] <JoeBk> you can install ubuntu on an external drive unlike Windows.
[13:07] <yossarianuk> i fear people whill try WSL as their first linux install and think 'linux is slow'
[13:07] <leftyfb> yossarianuk: do you have a support question?
[13:07] <matrixy1> wsl --install
[13:07] <matrixy1> the command to install it
[13:08] <DumbLDoor> yup, ty matrixy1
[13:08] <yossarianuk> leftyfb: my question was answered
[13:08] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/23.04/release/
[13:09] <leftyfb> oerheks: it's not released yet
[13:09] <leftyfb> oerheks: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:09] <DumbLDoor> thanks a lot, oerheks
[13:09] <DumbLDoor> ty all, cya later
[13:27] <C13> Hola/hello?
[13:29] <C13> Hello?/hola?
[13:29] <oerheks> !hi
[13:29] <C13> I'm new here hehe
[13:30] <C13> Do you know how I can find channels?
[13:30] <oerheks> !alis
[13:30] <oerheks> else see the docs of your irc client
[13:30] <C13> Oh, thanks :)
[13:49] <akik> why doesn't the snap lxd "systemctl enable snap.lxd.system" command work until i add WantedBy=multi-user.target in its service file?
[13:50] <akik> or is there some other way to enable it to start on boot?
[13:52] <akik> i had a typo there "systemctl enable snap.lxd.daemon"
[13:53] <oerheks> oh, good spot
[13:54] <akik> no i mean why doesn't it work
[13:54] <leftyfb> akik: lxd starts on boot just fine by default. As do the containers
[13:54] <akik> i have to add [Install]\nWantedBy=multi-user.target
[13:54] <akik> otherwise ""systemctl enable snap.lxd.daemon" doesn't work
[13:54] <leftyfb> that should not be necessary
[13:54] <akik> you can try on 22.04
[13:55] <leftyfb> I've been running 22.04 for a year now with lxd and containers
[13:55] <ravage> ^^
[13:55] <leftyfb> on multiple machines
[13:55] <ravage> never had to fix anything manually here too
[13:55] <ravage> just worked
[13:55] <leftyfb> 5 to be exact. Desktop and server
[13:56] <akik> leftyfb: how did you enable it to start on boot?
[13:56] <leftyfb> akik: sudo snap install lxd ; sudo lxd init
[13:56] <akik> leftyfb: that doesn't enable it to start on boot
[13:56] <leftyfb> it does for me and all my machines
[13:56] <akik> that just makes it run
[13:57] <leftyfb> not only does it make it run on boot, but the containers that I create also start on boot by default
[13:57] <akik> i just tried it on 22.04 and it doesn't work that way
[13:58] <akik> "sudo lxc list" starts it up somehow
[13:59] <leftyfb> you don't need sudo for the lxc client
[13:59] <akik> socket activation maybe
[13:59] <leftyfb> akik: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/fbq5rgvhw9/
[13:59] <leftyfb> look at line 5
[14:01] <akik> leftyfb: but you said it starts for you on boot?
[14:01] <leftyfb> the containers do
[14:01] <leftyfb> that's all that matters
[14:01] <leftyfb> I guess the lxd daemon, which is just used to manage the containers is socket-based so it only starts as needed
[14:02] <leftyfb> which I'm completely fine with
[14:17] <yossarianuk> has anyone benchmarked (gaming) 23.04 compared to 22.10 yet ?
[14:18] <oerheks> yossarianuk, no, but i just read a test, https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2304-laptops
[14:55] <dust> iso is 4,9gb and dvd rw is 4,7gb
[14:57] <leftyfb> dust: the latest 22.10 image is 3.8G
[15:03] <ravage> the legacy image is still 3.6G
[15:03] <leftyfb> 23.04 is not released yet
[15:03] <leftyfb> !next | dust
[15:07] <dust> leftyfb, it is released and i already dl it... thats the reason i know the size of 23.04...
[15:07] <leftyfb> dust: 23.04 is not released yet
[15:08] <dust> https://releases.ubuntu.com/lunar/
[15:08] <leftyfb> That's nice. There's been no announcement from Canonical/Ubuntu, the download page still shows 22.04 and 22.10. And that image was uploaded 2 days ago.
[15:09] <leftyfb> dust: please go to #ubuntu-next for support with 23.04 until it is released
[15:09] <JoeBk> is anyone able to install 23.04?  It just hangs for me.  Maybe server is saturated.
[15:10] <leftyfb> !next | JoeBk
[15:10] <JoeBk> that doesn't answer my question.
[15:11] <leftyfb> JoeBk: We do not support unreleased versions of ubuntu here. Please /join #ubuntu-next for unreleased versions of ubuntu
[15:27] <dust> https://ubuntu.com/
[15:27] <dust> its released
[15:30] <leftyfb> the page has changed, no announcement yet
[15:30] <leftyfb> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[15:31] <dust> https://ubuntu.com/about Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'.
[15:32] <dust> https://canonical.com/blog/canonical-releases-ubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster
[15:42] <luna> and Phoronix and Distrowatch being early again as always :P
[15:47] <jhutchins> So nobody is allowed to talk about 22.04 until the announcement is official?
[15:47] <luna> writing Ubuntu 23.04 and flavours is released just becouse its at the Canonical London datacenter, that are still mirroring the file out for another 2,5-3,5 hours but when people download the file from the London DC that does the mirroring job it slows down the actual release and make it take 6-9 hours or 9-13 hours instead of 3 hours total always happends
[15:48] <luna> its nice when the Linux news sites slows down the mirroring process (and it always happens)
[15:58] <badbodh> hi, in ubuntu livepatch settings i have ESM and livepatch enabled. apart from that there are two more - FIPS and USG. something to do with hardening. are those useful for normal desktop?
[15:59] <oerheks> USG can be interesting, https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications/docs/usg
[15:59] <oerheks> ESM is only helpful after 5year LTS ..
[16:01] <badbodh> i see. checking out USG, any steps i need to do for enabling? "pro status" doesn't show USG item in the list
[16:02] <badbodh> nvm, found this https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications/docs/disa-stig/installation
[16:02] <oerheks> sudo apt install usg  && sudo ua enable usg
[16:09] <badbodh> ok, not available for 22.04
[16:09] <badbodh> the link above is for 20.04
[16:10] <badbodh> thanks
[16:10] <jhutchins> luna: I take it you've never managed a public download server.
[16:11] <luna> jhutchins: nope
[16:12] <jhutchins> luna: The load on the servers and their data link goes way up when there's a release.  Rather than refuse connections, the transfer rate slows down as the bandwidth is shared among more and more connections.
[16:12] <jhutchins> We're lucky it doesn't crash as soon as the announcement hits.
[16:12] <jhutchins> (For "lucky" read "lots of people's hard work".)
[16:13] <jhutchins> luna: If you wait a few hours after it starts to peak, the torrent feeds shold be seeded and thost might be faster than the direct feeds from the mirrors.
[16:13] <luna> downloading with QBitorrent seems to work better then KTorrent and only takes 2 hours instead of 2 days now
[16:13] <jhutchins> luna: Right, because lots of people are participating.
[16:14] <jhutchins> luna: Which torrent client works best for you is up to you to decide.
[16:14] <luna> jhutchins: yeah
[16:14] <ravage> transmission has always been most reliable for me
[16:16] <luna> https://i.imgur.com/QWDDl8t.png
[16:20] <akik> was the ubuntu torrent tracker fixed?
[16:21] <akik> i'd think that would help a lot
[16:21] <ravage> yes
[16:21] <badbodh> they all use different backends. qbit and deluge use libtorrent, ktorrent has libktorrent, transmission has its own thing
[16:21] <ravage> weeks ago
[16:22] <badbodh> so their performance will vary user to user
[16:24] <akik> ravage: it's not fixed yet. i started 5 ubuntu iso torrents, and only one of them is downloading properly
[16:25] <ravage> all my torrents work just fine
[16:25] <ravage> and you can also see the torrets on the tracker
[16:25] <akik> ravage: and the other 4 just show one seed 185.125.190.59 which is the tracker ip
[16:27] <ravage> akik: https://i.imgur.com/Wn27JLa.png
[16:27] <ravage> downloaded the live-server iso with 30 megs/s
[16:28] <akik> ravage: start them all at the same time and see how it goes
[16:28] <ravage> i did
[16:28] <akik> ravage: i mean start the download from 0
[16:28] <ravage> seeding them all
[16:28] <ravage> no problems
[16:28] <akik> ravage: i mean start the download from 0
[16:29] <ravage> why would i do that again?
[16:29] <akik> ravage: you'll see the problem that way
[16:29] <ravage> i dont see the point really. i downloded all of them earlier to my server. with full speed
[16:30] <akik> i'm just a messenger
[16:31] <akik> i started 5 ubuntu torrents from 0 and only one of them is downloading properly
[16:31] <oerheks> i started @ 15:08, first iso @ 15:43 and last one 17:52
[16:31] <akik> 4 others only have 1 seed, the tracker itself
[16:31] <oerheks> 7 isos
[16:32] <akik> the same day i noticed this problem i downloaded 4 fedora isos with 0 problems
[16:32] <akik> at the same time
[16:32] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/RP88FSv.png started 30 seconds ago
[16:32] <ravage> if you have problerms with a lot of connections maybe check your network
[16:32] <akik> ravage: i said download multiple torrents at the same time
[16:33] <akik> sure yea
[16:33] <oerheks> if torrents do not speed up, reset your modem ?
[16:33] <akik> haha
[16:33] <akik> hilarious
[16:33] <ravage> there is no plausible reason why it should not work with multiple running downloads
[16:33] <akik> it's in a azure dc
[16:33] <ravage> except a network bottleneck
[16:34] <oerheks> maybe a torrent policy; pay more?
[16:35] <akik> i just told you i had zero problems downloading 4 fedora isos at the same time
[16:35] <ravage> and you still seem to be the only person here with speed problems
[16:36] <akik> so somebody tested starting the download from 0 with multiple torrents at the same time?
[16:36] <rfm> I did that about 40 minutes ago, all finished some time back (4 isos)
[16:37] <akik> i can test with those 4 fedora torrents now
[16:40] <akik> yes as i said, all 4 fedora torrents started downloading properly
[16:40] <akik> but hey don't trust me, i'm just a messenger
[16:40] <ravage> 👍
[16:41] <akik> now downloading them at 30MiB/s
[16:41] <akik> 40MiB/s
[16:41] <akik> lol 50
[16:42] <akik> so sure you can dream that the ubuntu torrent tracker is working just fine
[16:42] <u8353v[m]> Administrator: I was banned from
[16:42] <u8353v[m]> Ubuntu - #ubuntu:matrix.org
[16:43] <u8353v[m]>  * Administrator: I was banned from
[16:43] <u8353v[m]> Ubuntu - #ubuntu:matrix.org
[16:43] <u8353v[m]> by @Agyieus
[16:43] <u8353v[m]> Can you please ask him to re-add me there as the problem is because of the ;lower tolerance compared to the ubuntu channel pertaining to my country.
[16:43] <oerheks> matrix is known for connection problems on #libera, get used to it
[16:44] <oerheks> you are on #ubuntu u8353v[m]
[16:44] <u8353v[m]> s/;//
[16:44] <ravage> oerheks: when. and did you maybe post an image as your first message?
[16:44] <ravage> oh
[16:44] <ravage> sorry
[16:44] <ravage> u8353v[m]:
[16:44] <ravage> :)
[16:44] <u8353v[m]> ravage: exactly! 🙂
[16:45] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: you want #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops. Not here
[16:45] <u8353v[m]> This is something my country ubuntu group never complained about but the admin told me the flavors ubuntu channel has lower tolerance.
[16:45] <u8353v[m]> A mistake i won't ever do again!
[16:46] <u8353v[m]> leftyfb: this one #ubuntu:matrix.org
[16:46] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: sorry, we can't help with that here
[16:46] <luna> this is the support channel for the OS however not Matrix ops
[16:47]  * u8353v[m] uploaded an image: (126KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/gEzBYLVtEBCNFThdnKehTFsD/image.png >
[16:47] <u8353v[m]> leftyfb: oh ok. I tought some of you could be a member there
[16:48] <ravage> u8353v[m]: try to join again. maybe try a "hi" first this time
[16:48] <luna> and bam Ubuntu 23.04 is offically out: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-April/000289.html
[16:49] <mybalzitch> and as always wait for 23.04.01
[16:49] <u8353v[m]> luna: you have to do a fresh install or you can upgrade?
[16:50] <luna> u8353v[m]: you can upgrade i would think
[16:50] <oerheks> upgrade path is not out yet
[16:50] <mybalzitch> I went from 22.10 to 23.04 without intervention.
[16:50] <oerheks> one can with the -d option, but i would wait
[16:50] <leftyfb> mybalzitch: there won't be a 23.04.1. It's a non-LTS and will only be supported for 9 months
[16:51] <oerheks> mybalzitch, oh? normally it is a few days later
[16:51] <mybalzitch> oh right, only even years are LTS?
[16:51] <leftyfb> mybalzitch: Ubuntu does not upgrade on it's own without you telling it to
[16:51] <mybalzitch> leftyfb: I mean without having to mess aaround in addition to do-release-upgrade -d
[16:53] <u8353v[m]> mybalzitch: is this ok?
[16:53]  * u8353v[m] uploaded an image: (12KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/HqPFQTSGhxIyzXcfOlpXqzam/image.png >
[16:53] <u8353v[m]> To install the LTS, and then the LTS when available?
[16:53] <u8353v[m]> Or better wait for LTS to be available?
[16:53] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: please use pastebin if you can
[16:53] <mybalzitch> lts version won't be out until 2024
[16:54] <ravage> u8353v[m]: "u8353v was unbanned"
[16:54] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: u8353v[m] what are you trying to do exactly?
[16:55] <prashant> Hi
[16:55] <luna> oerheks: ah i see good to know
[16:56] <luna> yeah next LTS is 24.04 in April next year
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-23-04
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> leftyfb: upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-23-04
[16:57] <oerheks> u8353v[m], yes? that is exactly what i wrote
[16:57] <u8353v[m]> ravage: ravage: Thanks a lot! 👋
[16:57] <ravage> yq
[16:57] <ravage> yw
[16:57] <oerheks> one can boot the iso and choose to upgrade current install
[16:58] <luna> oerheks: cool thanks for the good info
[17:00] <u8353v[m]> oerheks: you're going to wait until next year for the LTS?
[17:00] <u8353v[m]> why not update now and then again with the LTS?
[17:00] <u8353v[m]> Asking because i've never done this before. Still recent with linux!
[17:01] <zulumika> Hi all.  Using the default file manager, is there a way to sort files and folders so that names with 'underscores' are displayed at the top of the list?
[17:05] <luna> flashing it on the Ubuntu USB stick i got from Philipp Kewisch at this years FOSDEM now
[17:08] <tomreyn> zulumika: i'd be surprised if you could change the display order beyond ascending and descending alphabetical order and the other columns. you can always do such using shell scripting, though
[17:10] <lolok> you would have to make and set a custom locale
[17:14] <zulumika> ok, thank you.
[17:17] <akik> now even the ubuntu torrent trackers disappeared from the seeders
[17:18] <luna>  there we go now we have Ubuntu 23.04 :)
[17:18] <oerheks> uh oh, what have we done?
[17:29] <matrixy1> the installer just quits on 23.04
[17:30] <matrixy1> it starts and then quits
[17:30] <tomreyn> probably a broken iso / installer
[17:30] <matrixy1> i downloaded from the browser
[17:31] <matrixy1> 4.6 gb iso
[17:31] <tomreyn> !verify
[17:31] <matrixy1> ok ill do that
[17:32] <tomreyn> if you use balena etcher to write the iso to the installer media, it also checks that the data written there is correct.
[17:33] <tomreyn> (you can do the same with other tools, it's just easy to use)
[17:34] <LucasBR> Hey, some brazilian here?
[17:35] <tomreyn> do you only accept ubuntu support from brazilians then?
[17:35] <matrixy1> says its ok
[17:35] <leftyfb> !br | LucasBR
[17:35] <matrixy1> i used dd
[17:35] <LucasBR> no, my english is soso
[17:35] <LucasBR> tks lefty
[17:35] <tomreyn> try #ubuntu-br or -pt then
[17:36] <matrixy1> theres a legacy installer for 23.04
[17:36] <LucasBR> i tried, i will wait for someone in the chat, thanks !!
[17:36] <tomreyn> matrixy1: dd doesn't verify the data written
[17:36] <matrixy1> i did sha256sum
[17:37] <tomreyn> against the iso or the usb stick?
[17:37] <matrixy1> ill just try the legacy installer
[17:37] <matrixy1> just iso
[17:37] <akik> what is a legacy installer?
[17:37] <tomreyn> how much ram do you have?
[17:37] <matrixy1> 8gb
[17:37] <tomreyn> hmm that should work
[17:37] <matrixy1> theres a download option for 23.04 with the old installer
[17:37] <tomreyn> akik: the legacy installer would be based on ubiquity
[17:38] <akik> tomreyn: where's that installer?
[17:38] <tomreyn> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lunar/release/ubuntu-23.04-desktop-legacy-amd64.iso
[17:39] <akik> interesting
[17:39] <akik> why would you need that?
[17:39] <tomreyn> in case the newer one doesn't work or you want to keep using your old automation, i assume
[17:40] <tomreyn> maybe the release notes hint on it
[17:40] <oerheks> Also netboot is back, just not for amd64
[17:56] <ioria> interesting: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mini-iso/daily-live/current/
[17:56] <ioria> for amd64
[17:57] <akik> that's even smaller than the debian one
[17:57] <akik> https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
[17:58] <oerheks> should fit on a 128mb sdcard 🤣
[19:01] <jhutchins> That what, a little more than ten floppies?
[19:32] <linsux> is ubuntu rolling release
[19:33] <akik> cdimage.ubuntu.com has a really good internet connection
[19:33] <akik> linsux: no
[19:34] <akik> linsux: you want arch
[20:08] <Max-P> there's rolling rhino but it's a little buggy
[20:10] <jhutchins> Max-P: By definition a rolling release IS buggy.
[20:15] <Max-P> It's not as buggy when it's designed for it, been using Arch for a decade and it's been pretty reliable. My Ubuntu VM with the devel repos, sometimes things do break. Which is fine, it's not meant to be installed and used long term
[20:25] <grat> congrats to the devs for the new release!
[20:32] <semitones> hey I'm trying to get my grub to boot the last entry selected. I have GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true and GRUB_DEFAULT=saved and I ran sudo update-grub, yet it still defaults to the first option. Any ideas for how to troubleshoot?
[20:34] <semitones> I have used these pages as reference: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 and https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Simple-configuration
[20:35] <JoeBk> semitones, that's what I have and it works for me.
[20:35] <semitones> i'm going to look at the grub.cfg and see if I see anything weird
[20:36] <JoeBk> I wonder if the order of the lines is a problem
[20:36] <semitones> that's a good idea
[20:36] <JoeBk> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved is the first one on mine
[20:37] <semitones> I have "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" first and "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT" second, then all the other options
[20:37] <semitones> it is respecting the GRUB_TIMEOUT I set to 3, but it did not respect the "GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden" and did countdown instead
[20:40] <invitado> hi
[20:40] <invitado> how are you guys?
[20:41] <krytarik> invitado: General chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:42] <invitado> this sheet is dead bra
[20:42] <semitones> looking at grub.cfg, it looks like 30_os-prober always sets the timeout style to menu, and has an "if timeout = 0, then set timeout = 10' function
[20:42] <invitado> sorry
[20:48] <semitones> JoeBk, interesting: if I choose to boot Windows, it saves that one. But if I choose ubuntu(generic) over ubuntu(lowlatency) it returns to lowlatency next time.
[20:49] <JoeBk> semitones, I have no clue.  I've never had a problem with it.
[20:50] <semitones> maybe I will do an askubuntu
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> semitones: The package 'ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings' forces the prioritization of the lowlatency kernel over the generic kernel, so you might be seeing that. If you uninstall that, it'll fix that, but you'll also lose "threadirqs" and other lowlatency optimizations.
[20:52] <semitones> That would explain this behavior. Does it make sense to boot into low-latency kernel only when I'm doing audio work, and use generic when I prefer stability?
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> semitones: Not really, only if you want to save power.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> The only real tradeoff is energy savings vs latency.
[20:53] <semitones> ok, thanks. I suppose I do want to save power since it is a laptop. Will it respect GRUB_DEFAULT=1 (instead of saved)?
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> Never tried it. You can try it and see what happens.
[20:55] <Eickmeyer> I just manually switch back and forth, giving myself plenty of time to switch to the generic kernel when on battery.
[20:55] <semitones> That makes sense. No, with GRUB_DEFAULT=1 it still pre-selects lowlatency
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> Probably because that's the first entry in the submenu.
[20:56] <semitones> I thought it started at 0 according to the documentation. I'll try 2
[20:57] <semitones> 2 chooses the 3rd option. I'll try "1" again and this time make sure I update-grub
[21:08] <semitones> GRUB_DEFAULT=1 works as expected (chooses the 2nd option). Thanks for your help troubleshooting this Eickmeyer !
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> semitones: You're welcome!
[22:24] <DumbLDoor> Hello!
[22:25] <DumbLDoor> i tried to make a bootable usb using rufus and https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/23.04/release/
[22:26] <DumbLDoor> However, on trying to boot, it gives me a pointer out of range exception
[22:26] <jhutchins> DumbLDoor: Did you verify the checksum of the downloaded file?
[22:27] <DumbLDoor> jhutchins - rufus would fail if the ISO were to be corrupt
[22:28] <jhutchins> DumbLDoor: No, not necessarily.  It doesn't have access to the official checksums.
[22:29] <enyc> DumbLDoor: I thought rufus etc is not such a goodo or needed idea
[22:29] <enyc> DumbLDoor: better just using win32diskimager or etcher or similar to JUST write the image to USB as ubuntu images are ALREADY hybrid multibootable images!
[22:30] <jhutchins> AFTER you cerify the checksum.
[22:30] <DumbLDoor> enyc - do you mean just copy the iso to USB stick?
[22:31] <enyc> DumbLDoor: no, i mean proper image-writing tool to write it directly,  NOT copying .iso  as a *file* to stick filesystem  and *NOT* modifying it like rufus etc can do
[22:33] <sarnold> does rufus have a simple 'dd' mode?
[22:33] <enyc> sarnold: it may do but as per ubuntu instructions, etcher easier to use less likely to dowrong thing etc
[22:34] <enyc> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#3-create-a-bootable-usb-stick
[22:34] <DumbLDoor> sarnold- it has dd  and iso
[22:34] <DumbLDoor> i think iso is prefered
[22:34] <enyc> DumbLDoor: do try  dd mode writing to spare stick (will overwrite all data etc...)
[22:35] <DumbLDoor> enyc - sure, ty
[22:38] <DumbLDoor> SHA256 matches.. just checked
[23:14] <DumbLDoor> Hello! Etcher image didn't work either, the OS does not load.
[23:25] <oehman_> try gpt instead of mbr on the usb stick
[23:25] <oehman_> i did mine in startup creator
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, the .iso images are so large these days that they are likely to point-out flaws in your average USB stick. I'd try another one.
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> DumbLDoor: ^
[23:35] <DumbLDoor> ty Oehman and eickmeyer..  I tried burning the 3.6 GB ISO to a DVD and I have a coaster now
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> DumbLDoor: It's working for thousands of other people... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:37] <oehman_> i did mine on usb
[23:38] <oehman_> sure that you are not using legacy
[23:48] <akik> sarnold: rufus dd write mode can be activated by pressing alt-i once after starting it
[23:51] <sarnold> akik: aha, thanks :)
[23:54] <akik> sarnold: it says something like "iso support disabled" at the bottom then
[23:55] <sarnold> akik: handy :)