[08:55] <lissyx> what
[08:55] <lissyx> just upgraded to 23.04
[08:55] <lissyx> I can't type some chars
[08:55] <lissyx> tilde, hash
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[08:59] <lissyx> (french keyboard configured)
[08:59] <GunnarHj> lissyx: Please submit a bug — ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center — so it can be sorted there.
[09:00] <lissyx> it's like AltGr is not working.
[09:05] <lissyx> "alternate character key" set to "alt left" I can input a sharp or tilde
[09:05] <lissyx> setting to "alt right" I cannot
[09:07] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, wonder who should be involved in proceeding with bug #2017076. Suppose you are a candidate. ;)
[09:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2017076 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "default Chinese font in snap apps is ugly" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017076
[09:09] <lissyx> and xev shows tilde for exampe
[09:09] <lissyx> but opening a term, it's impossible to type it
[09:14] <lissyx> xev reports input on AltGr as ISO_Level3_Shift
[09:22] <lissyx> ok, I dont know what went down
[09:22] <lissyx> but: gnome-tweaks, "keyboard", and unchecked non default items that were changed (and were related to alt_r / level 3), then back in Gnome Control Center, switch back to "layout default" for alternate key and compose key
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[09:32] <lissyx> no idea what went down to explain this
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[09:42] <jbicha> GunnarHj: deleting git tags doesn't automatically remove them from anyone who has fetched the tags. I suggest just using a new version number instead
[09:45] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for pointing it out. While that's what I suspected, I thought it will fix itself if the tag gets recreated later and fetched by others. But maybe it's safer to use some other version number.
[09:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, I guess I'm a candidate yes. What do you mean by 'doesn't query fontconfig dynamically'?
[09:48] <seb128> GunnarHj, we have /snap/gnome-3-38-2004/137/etc/fonts/conf.d/70-fonts-noto-cjk.conf 
[09:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, you can get into the snap environment doing
[09:50] <seb128> $ snap run --shell chromium
[09:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: As an example I have observed that if you install FF, and later changes your font configuration so fontconfig prefers some other font (read: Noto Sans), the FF default remains unchanges.
[09:50] <GunnarHj> seb128: But please read the latter part of my long bug comment. That's my primiary suspicion about the cause.
[09:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll checkout those tips, thanks.
[09:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, how do you change your font configuration?
[09:51] <seb128> if you use gsettings the snap should share that config
[09:51] <seb128> if you do a custom fontconfig entry in /etc indeed that's not going to be visible to the snap but are users really doing that?
[09:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: I mean the latter, and yes, it happens. The setup for Arabic is an example.
[09:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Which gsettings values represent default FF font?
[09:57] <seb128> GunnarHj, I meant 'org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name' but that's probably not what you are after
[09:58] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't understand your Arabic comment, we require users to sudo editor a file in /etc to have the right font? that's not anyone out of a few font expert are going to be able to figure out no?
[10:00] <seb128> GunnarHj, or if you mean the language-selector config 56-language-selector-ar.conf ?
[10:00] <GunnarHj> seb128: We ask them to install additional font packages, e.g. fonts-noto-core, and you don't need to be an expert to do that. fonts-noto-core is also pulled if you installe e.g. the Arabic language.
[10:00] <seb128> GunnarHj, but then it's not a custom config, it's one provided by a package and that's  a different case
[10:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: Indeed, that's a side track. So please read the latter part of my long bug comment!
[10:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, ah, I though I had but it's truncated and didn't notice the '...' :p
[10:03] <seb128> GunnarHj, so no it's not how it works, the snap env doesn't have access to the /etc or /usr configs
[10:03] <seb128> GunnarHj, I basically workarounded that issue in https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-sdk/pull/72/files
[10:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 72 in ubuntu/gnome-sdk "Include the fonts configuration from a default desktop installation" [Merged]
[10:03] <seb128> and wee do have 
[10:05] <seb128> /snap/gnome-3-38-2004/137/etc/fonts/conf.avail/65-fonts-arphic-uming.conf
[10:05] <seb128> /snap/gnome-3-38-2004/137/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-fonts-arphic-uming.conf
[10:05] <seb128> the list is missing fonts-noto-core though
[10:05] <seb128> which means we will not get 30-droid-noto.conf
[10:07] <seb128> we should probably add language-selector-common also to that list
[10:07] <GunnarHj> * Trying to understand what you say not. I'm a snap illiteral. *
[10:09] <seb128> GunnarHj, read https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-sdk/issues/49#issuecomment-1216321729
[10:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 49 in ubuntu/gnome-sdk "More fonts are needed to avoid breaking rendering" [Closed]
[10:10] <seb128> GunnarHj, but basically we can't use the fonts from the host directly because the format might not be compatible with the libfontconfig from inside the snap, so we do bundle the rules in the gnome sdk as a workaround
[10:10] <seb128> the PR I shared basically imported the rules from all the deb listed to the sdk
[10:10] <seb128> we need to add fonts-noto-core and language-selector-common to that list since those seem to be missing
[10:11] <seb128> but that doesn't explain why 65-fonts-arphic-uming.conf isn't working because that one is included
[10:11] <seb128> also I notice that we didn't forward patch that fix to the 42 sdk
[10:11] <seb128> but chromium is still on core20/gnome-3-38 
[10:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: uming *is* working. That's the problem reported in the bug. :)
[10:12] <seb128> GunnarHj, so 65-fonts-arphic-uming.conf is buggy and should be removed?
[10:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: Not buggy, but undesirable as default indeed.
[10:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: But this whole thing is confusing to me. IIRC it was previously set up so the snaps honored the system font configuration. But apparently that has been changed later, and I wasn't aware of that.
[10:14] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, for the reason described in that url I shared
[10:15] <GunnarHj> Wow.
[10:15] <seb128> things went wrong when the snap and host format were different
[10:16] <seb128> GunnarHj, according to https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04.6-desktop-amd64.manifest fonts-arphic-uming is installed by default on focal so that problem isn't snap specific
[10:16] <seb128> but yes, if you remove fonts-arphic-uming from the system you 'fix' the deb case but the snap config isn't going to follow
[10:17] <seb128> the best we can do is to pull fonts-arphic-uming out of the list of staged packages if we believe that rule is a wrong default
[10:18] <GunnarHj> seb128: fonts-arphic-uming is in the manifest because it's supported and pkg_depends install it for Chinese.
[10:19] <seb128> then deb users see the same problem that the wrong fonts are selected by default following our choices?
[10:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Maybe we should do this in two steps:
[10:19] <GunnarHj> 1. Drop uming (possibly some other package too) from pkg_depends.
[10:21] <GunnarHj> 2. Revise that list so it includes packages mentioned in pkg_depends. (OTOH, if you include fonts-noto-core, you will change the default font for most users to Noto Sans. :) )
[10:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: And the latter is what I would like to achieve, but maybe not as an urgent fix of that Chinese issue.
[10:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Can we pause our conversation a bit. I'd need some time to think, and maybe we can talk again in a couple of hours.
[10:26] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, or just follow up on the bug report, there is no hurry there
[10:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ack.
[10:42] <seb128> need to drop from IRC for a while, I will read backlog otherwise launchpad
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[12:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: New comment at bug #2017076 for you to consider.
[12:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2017076 in fontconfig (Ubuntu) "default Chinese font in snap apps is ugly" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017076
[12:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, what is "fc-match" without parameter returning?
[12:50] <seb128> also I get the same result in the firefox snap env that on the system
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[13:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: only fc-match returns the preferred font according to fontconfig for the LC_CTYPE locale.
[13:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: If you just do "snap run --shell firefox" it still takes your system font configuration into account. At least it seems so to me.
[13:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Which is why I tested by purging language-selector-common.
[13:50] <seb128> GunnarHj, which revision of firefox do you try?
[13:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Not sure why you ask. I haven't (at least not yet) tried to reproduce the issue as reported in the bug. The bug is about the default font in FF and other snaps.
[13:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, because the bug mentioned chromium which use core20 and firefox in Lunar uses core22
[13:56] <seb128> those use different version of the gnome sdk
[13:56] <seb128> and as a said this morning the core22 sdk doesn't include the fonts config (I've on my todo to fix tht now)
[13:57] <seb128> so basically I would ensure you test with a core20 snap
[13:57] <seb128> depending of which revision of firefox you use it might be core20 or core22, snap connections firefox should tell you
[14:00] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm still not sure what you mean. Without actually installing Ubuntu with Chinese, the only thing I can think of is to remove FF (including the related files in $HOME), set a Chinese locale, reboot, and install FF again. But I haven't done that yet.
[14:02] <lissyx> there have been reports of broken fonts with asian lang for some time already
[14:02] <lissyx> never could repro ...
[14:03] <GunnarHj> lissyx: It's hard to reproduce if you don't speak some Asian language.
[14:05] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1796939
[14:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1796939 in Core "snap-ed firefox doesn't do word break for Thai text" [S3, New]
[14:06] <GunnarHj> seb128: Btw, the bug does not mention Chromium, but it mentions Snap Store.
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[15:03] <seb128> GunnarHj, sorry I got confused, so maybe the issue is only that the gnome 42 snaps is missing the fix I mentioned earlier
[15:03] <seb128> the way to try that would be compare firefox for stable channel and from stable/ubuntu-23.04
[15:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: So you think that the problem is with the snap, and not the installer, is that so?
[15:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes
[15:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: When you say that core22 does not include the fonts config, do you mean that the packages mentioned at https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-sdk/pull/72/files are not included in core22?
[15:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 72 in ubuntu/gnome-sdk "Include the fonts configuration from a default desktop installation" [Merged]
[15:17] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thinking especially of the fonts-noto-cjk package which includes 70-fonts-noto-cjk.conf.
[15:17] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, correct, it seems like those configs are not in the newest sdk
[15:18] <seb128> which I will fix but until then I suggested testing on a core20 snap list 'snap refresh --stable firefox'
[15:18] <GunnarHj> seb128: Now I follow you (at last). :)
[15:19] <seb128> :)
[15:19] <seb128> sorry I need to drop from IRC to go back home now but I will read irclog and launchpad later on
[15:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Let's continue next week. I may do some testing in the weekend.
[15:23] <seb128> thanks, and have a nice weekend!
[15:45] <GunnarHj> exit
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