[00:00] <JoeBk> has anyone installed 23.04 release ?
[00:01] <sarnold> probably JoeBk, he tries everything :)
[00:01]  * sarnold runs
[00:02] <JoeBk> I have not been able to install 23.04 and am wondering if anyone else had trouble.
[00:02] <sarnold> :(
[00:05] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: Not seen anyone else reporting such - what is not happening on your install attempt ?
[00:06] <JoeBk> Bashing-om, the install just hangs while downloadind stuff.  I let it run for 2 1/2  hours before I gave up.  The beta installs without problem.
[00:06] <sarnold> when was that? I understand one of our archive servers was unhappy recently
[00:07] <JoeBk> yesterday
[00:07] <JoeBk> maybe it was just a bad server.  I should try again.
[00:10] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: Yeah try again - and verify the .ISO download (md5 is good enough for that) and there used to also be an option "check disk for defects" // I have not seen 23.04 yet so I do not know that the option still exists.
[00:14] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: there are no more .md5
[00:15] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Ouch ! thanks for that notification.
[00:17] <tomreyn> you're welcome. i think those have been removed for all releases but <=16.04
[00:17] <JoeBk> I verified the checksum.
[00:18] <tomreyn> JoeBk: now verify the data written to the installer medium
[00:18] <tomreyn> and tell us how much ram this system has
[00:41] <JoeBk> tomreyn, I verified the checksum on the install medium the the comuter has 32gb of ram.
[00:42] <JoeBk> i'll try it again.
[00:42] <JoeBk> maybe it was a server problem.
[01:03] <JoeBk> sarnold, you there?
[01:03] <sarnold> JoeBk: pong
[01:04] <JoeBk> sarnold, I just tried installing again.  I was getting download speed around 3KB.  I think there is a problem with the server.
[01:05] <sarnold> JoeBk: *cripes*
[01:07] <JoeBk> sarnold, I got disconnected.  I said I think there is a problem with the server.
[01:08] <sarnold> JoeBk: heh :( I just tested the four IPv4 addresses, and I got eight to 12 megabytes per second from them
[01:08] <JoeBk> hmmm
[01:08] <JoeBk> strange
[01:09] <JoeBk> It's clearly not working for me.
[01:10] <sarnold> if you leave an mtr running to 8.8.8.8 for a while, what sort of packetloss and latency do you see?
[01:12] <JoeBk> no packet loss about 60ms delay
[01:13] <JoeBk> more lin 20ms
[01:13] <JoeBk> no packet loss
[01:13] <tomreyn> sarnold: which server would that be? maybe JoeBk should mtr there?
[01:15] <sarnold> tomreyn: good idea :)
[01:15] <JoeBk> I've been asking if anyon e has been able to install 23.04 and I don;t get a response.
[01:15] <Liowenex> Connect 127.0.0.1
[01:15] <sarnold> archive.ubuntu.com -- 185.125.190.36 91.189.91.38 91.189.91.39 185.125.190.39
[01:16] <tomreyn> are we certain the downloads are from archive.ubuntu.com and not one of the mirrors, though?
[01:17] <JoeBk> when I ping archive.ubuntu.com it goes to 185.125.190.39
[01:17] <tomreyn> JoeBk: i think we would have seen a lot more reports of "does not work" here if it was a generic issue
[01:19] <JoeBk> what is 185.125.190.39?  is that a mirror?
[01:20] <JoeBk> I'll try again in a few days.
[01:20] <tomreyn> that's one of the ip addresses archive.ubuntu.com resolves to, and probably one of the 4 or more central mirror servers
[01:21] <JoeBk> strange I was able to install the beta version without any problems.
[01:23] <tomreyn> not really strange, no. it just takes one bad router between you and one of the target servers to occasionally break things in the way you've reported.
[01:29] <tomreyn> JoeBk: simple test for those IPv4 mirrors:   for IP in 185.125.190.36 91.189.91.38 91.189.91.39 185.125.190.39; do echo $IP; curl -4 -o /dev/null --resolve archive.ubuntu.com:80:$IP http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz ; echo; done
[01:30] <tomreyn> you'd download 25 MB off each. if one takes a lot longer than the others, that's what you want to mtr against
[01:30] <tomreyn> there are also ipv6 mirrors, though, and they could also be the culprit
[01:30] <sarnold> oh nice, that's smaller than the Contents-amd64.gz I tested with, but still large enough fora useful test
[01:31] <tomreyn> :)
[01:37] <JoeBk> tomreyn, slowest one was 2296k
[01:39] <tomreyn> JoeBk: and the fastest?
[01:39] <JoeBk> tomreyn, I should boot the flash drive and try the speed test there.
[01:39] <tomreyn> yes that would be even better, also with the ipv6 hosts, too
[01:39] <JoeBk> I closed the window.  I'll look again.
[01:41] <JoeBk> the go from 2562k to 3463k
[01:41] <tomreyn> okay, that's fine then, if this matches your normal average download speed
[01:41] <JoeBk> brb
[02:59] <tomreyn> in case JoeBk returns they could run these scripts and post the output to a pastebin for review: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_headers_at_url https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_speed_at_url
[03:01] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Ack ^ - I will be around for a couple more hours I expect.
[03:12] <tomreyn> thanks
[03:13] <tomreyn> it may be necessary to install package "dnsutils"
[03:16] <JoeBk> tomreyn, I did some screenshots while doing install to show download speed: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1LzysJqAhsy_lt_KKyVR7RvcGIT_j2RLz
[03:22] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: < tomreyn> in case JoeBk returns they could run these scripts and post the output to a pastebin for review: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_headers_at_url ; https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/check_mirrors_speed_at_url // it may be necessary to install package "dnsutils".
[04:59] <migs> hi
[04:59] <migs> is tlp for all lenovos or just thinkpads?
[04:59] <migs> I am having a problem with overheating
[05:00] <migs> and what is "rdw" radio device wizard?
[05:07] <Bashing-om> migs: tlp > any laptop. please see the result ' apt show tlp '. How old is this machone - due for a good cleaning ?
[06:49] <NZWillDill> Hi, I am setting up an HP laptop with ubuntu, it has two GPU (Intel and Nvidea) do i need to do anything special to make sure the better GPU is used when needed?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> NZWillDill: ubuntu will normaly install the drivers automaticly
[06:53] <NZWillDill> ok thank you
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> NZWillDill: and nvidia-prime you can use to switch between your 2 cards
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> powersaving vs performance mode
[06:54] <NZWillDill> ok thanks lotuspsychje, sounds like ubuntu has it under control.
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> if everything loaded fine, yes
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> NZWillDill: depending on your card model, ubuntu will let you switch between drivers too, but usualy the best driver is picked by default
[08:00] <propus> :)
[09:04] <RexDang> Hello, I am wanting to create a bootable usb ubuntu drive from within ubuntu, can anyone help?
[09:05] <RexDang> please
[09:08] <aimatme> RexDang: Use the starup USB creator
[09:08] <aimatme> Comes with Ubuntu.
[09:09] <RexDang> ok
[09:09] <aimatme> Rexdang: Sorry, "startup disk creator"
[09:09] <RexDang> THank you found it
[09:09] <aimatme> yw.
[09:10] <RexDang> IF you dont mind, a couple more questions, i plan to install ubuntu on my laptop, do I disable Secure boot, Fast boot etc?
[09:11] <RexDang> Any other bios considerations
[09:12] <RexDang> its an HP Probook g4
[09:21] <RexDang> anyone?
[09:37] <ice9> if nouveau doesn't support offloading, then how can I render something on nvidia on an optimus laptop?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> Rexodus: are you going to singleboot ubuntu?
[09:44] <rostik> hello
[09:59] <csharp2a> Hi all...Does anyone know the default login for the new 23.04 Desktop live image? The old "ubuntu" does not work and I cannot find it anywhere on the docs.
[10:10] <akik> chalcedny: i think it's the hostname of the live session
[10:10] <akik> i read it somewhere
[10:10] <akik> oops
[10:10] <akik> csharp2a: i think it's the hostname of the live session
[10:13] <csharp2a> I had seen that also but how do you determine that hostname when the iso is running?
[10:15] <akik> csharp2a: go into the virtual console with ctrl+alt+f3
[10:15] <akik> csharp2a: or open a terminal and run hostname
[10:15] <csharp2a> akik thank you
[10:16] <Nihilism> hi
[10:17] <csharp2a> @Nihilism Hello
[10:28] <csharp2a> akik The virtual console is showing ubuntu as the hostname but it will not take that as the login.  I am completely stumped.
[10:29] <akik> csharp2a: which ubuntu version is that?
[10:29] <csharp2a> akik 23.04 Lunar Lobster...just came out
[10:29] <akik> oh maybe they changed it then
[10:30] <csharp2a> akik That is what I thought, but I am not finding any docu on it.  You would think it would remain the same.
[10:31] <akik> csharp2a: check the system's /etc/passwd for clues
[10:31] <csharp2a> Can't login to get there. I suppose I could mount the iso to find out..
[10:32] <akik> csharp2a: you can't start the live session?
[10:32] <csharp2a> akik Yes it will start but I cannot login at all.
[10:32] <csharp2a> It immediately asks for login and password
[10:32] <csharp2a> akik I starts with the gui login screen
[10:33] <akik> csharp2a: you don't get the gui?
[10:33] <csharp2a> akik Nope, goes immediatly to the login screen
[10:40] <akik> csharp2a: don't know then. maybe somebody else here knows
[10:40] <akik> csharp2a: do you know why you don't get a gui?
[10:45] <akik> csharp2a: maybe you could try booting it with kernel parameters that disable nouveau/nvidia and use i915 for the igpu
[10:45] <csharp2a> akik I have no idea why the gui does not start.  I do get the gui login screen but then trying to login fails.  I will keep looking. Thank you for your help!
[10:48] <akik> csharp2a: the live session should start directly into the gui logged in
[10:48] <akik> csharp2a: try creating the usb stick again and verify the iso checksum before that
[10:49] <csharp2a> akik will do
[10:49] <akik> csharp2a: use dd to do it or rufus in windows (press alt-i once after starting rufus so it goes to the dd write mode)
[10:52] <csharp2a> akik Ok
[10:53] <akik> csharp2a: the syntax for dd is: dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
[10:55] <csharp2a> akik Thanks I will give it a go shortly
[10:55] <akik> csharp2a: you'll get the storage device names with: lsblk -a -o +TRAN
[10:55] <ice9> if nouveau doesn't support offloading, then how can I render something on nvidia on an optimus laptop?  I don't wanna use the proprietary driver from nvidia
[10:58] <akik> csharp2a: oops sorry i forgot you don't have ubuntu yet :)
[11:06] <csharp2a> akik No worries.  Its working now. I am not sure why but it was trying to run an autoinstall script and not succeeding. A new ISO fixed it. I am in and its happy. The ISO must have been borked. Thank you for all your help.
[11:06] <akik> ok good
[11:07] <csharp2a> akik Have a great day!
[11:07] <akik> csharp2a: btw
[11:08] <akik> csharp2a: now that you're in the live session, try sudo -i and check /etc/sudoers or /etc/sudoers.d dir for the username defined for the passwordless sudo access
[11:11] <akik> csharp2a: and check which username in /etc/shadow has no password
[11:13] <csharp2a> akik Ok I will do that
[11:16] <csharp2a> akik Oddly its is ubuntu
[11:18] <akik> csharp2a: how did you create the usb stick when it didn't work?
[11:18] <csharp2a> etcher
[11:18] <csharp2a> akik Etcher
[11:18] <akik> csharp2a: does it do dd write mode?
[11:19] <csharp2a> I do not know for sure.
[11:19] <akik> csharp2a: i mean does it just write the image on the usb stick or if it opens it
[11:19] <csharp2a> I belive it just writes but not sure
[11:19] <akik> ok well good that it now works
[11:25] <kubuntu>  ciao ragazzi, ho bisogno del vostro consiglio, sto trasferendo da una nas synology ad una ssd interna al pc 350 gb di dati, ho fatto un semplice copia e incolla della cartella (smb) remota tramite dolphin
[11:26] <kubuntu> ora dolphin sta calcolando l'ammontare di file cartelle e relativa dimensione totale dei file da copiare
[11:26] <kubuntu> c'è un piccola provblema, indica al momento 15 TiB e continua a salire...che succede, è un bug?
[11:26] <kubuntu> sorry wrong channel
[11:36] <kubuntu> hi guys, i need your advice, i'm transferring 350 gb of data from a synology nas to a pc's internal ssd, i did a simple copy and paste of the remote (smb) folder via dolphin now dolphin is calculating the amount of files folders and relative total size of the files to be copied. there is a small problem, it indicates at the moment 15 TiB and it keeps going up... what's going on, is it a bug?
[11:37] <strk> I don't know since when but I have no video support anymore, it broke somehow, there's no /dev/vid*
[11:37] <strk> how to debug ?
[11:37] <strk> dmesg shows:
[11:37] <strk> [    1.834207] ACPI: video: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: yes  rom: no  post: no)
[11:37] <strk> [    1.834261] input: Video Bus as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input10
[11:40] <strk> v4l2-dbg -D # Failed to open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[11:42] <strk> sudo modprobe videodev # kernel: [  570.372076] videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00 ; systemd-udevd[38821]: video4linux: Process '/usr/lib/snapd/snap-device-helper add snap_chromium_chromedriver /class/video4linux 0:0' failed with exit code 1.
[11:42] <strk> how's snap related to kernel modules ?
[11:45] <akik> i was just going to ask :)
[11:46] <akik> but hey ubuntu packages curl into a snap...
[11:50] <ravage> why would curl not be part of a snap package?
[11:50] <ravage> it is a common tool
[11:51] <strk> who's curl now related to all of this ?
[11:51] <ravage> none i guess
[11:52] <strk> also, how's chromium related to video ?
[11:52] <strk> I'm very confused about all of this
[11:52] <strk> the very first thing I'd like to figure out is why I have no video device in /dev
[11:52] <strk> is that normal ? (I don't think it is)
[11:53] <ravage> i dont have that
[11:53] <strk> do you have a camera ?
[11:53] <ravage> not connected atm to be honest
[11:53] <akik> ravage: there's no need to package a tool like curl into a snap
[11:53] <ravage> let me check that usb cable
[11:53] <strk> thanks ravage
[11:54] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/4uwrsk3r.txt
[11:55] <strk> thanks, that's what I'd expect
[11:55] <ravage> akik: that is not what you said. and it can be totally useful if you want to provide a newer/patched version
[11:55] <strk> how about `journalctl | grep video` ?
[11:56] <akik> ravage: but it's true. they package a newer version of curl into a snap
[11:56] <ravage> akik: link?
[11:57] <strk> incidentally... can I escape snap at all with ubuntu or do I have to switch to a different distro ?
[11:57] <ravage> strk: https://p.haxxors.com/xldp6ge5.txt
[11:58] <akik> ravage: https://paste.linux.chat/?e64e61cc1c82c45a#FVMeDqzpzRnCjL3oUeCRgyugnxBbpW4oDnP1zfpG7vHS
[11:58] <strk> ravage: interesting, so it ALSO fail for you
[11:58] <strk> but this doesnt' prevent your /dev/video from appearing
[11:59] <strk> ravage it looks like discord, firefox, skype and teams failed to deal with the new video, can you check if any of them work with video ?
[11:59] <ravage> akik: ok, apt searches for exact matches of that package name. but it is not associated with canonical at all
[12:01] <ravage> strk: my camera works just fine in my skype snap
[12:01] <ravage> also works in firefox
[12:01] <ravage> i dont think snap is the problem here
[12:02] <strk> evidently not
[12:02] <strk> in my journalctl I also have: `kernel: videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00`
[12:02] <strk> didn't see that in your output
[12:02] <strk> I might be missing a kernel module
[12:03] <strk> does `v4l2-dbg -D` work for you ?
[12:03] <akik> ravage: i don't know what you mean? that command is from ubuntu. canonical creates ubuntu
[12:03] <ravage> possible. mine uses uvcvideo
[12:03] <ravage> akik: no that command is the result of an exact match search from the snap store
[12:05] <akik> ravage: i ran curl in the shell and got that. you're trying to find reasons to prove me wrong
[12:05] <akik> ravage: and failing pretty badly
[12:05] <ravage> i dont have to prove anything to you. isnt that neat?
[12:06] <akik> ravage: so why did you start arguing?
[12:06] <ravage> well this is a chat room
[12:06] <ravage> and i did not prove anything. i just told you whats happening
[12:07] <akik> ravage: it return two commands to install curl, one is snap the other is apt. what is not clear to you?
[12:07] <ravage> that is totally clear
[12:07] <ravage> and that is what i said
[12:08] <strk> uhm, what about: lshw ravage ? how does your camera look in there ?
[12:09] <strk> any match for "camera" or "video" ? I only have a "Video Bus", but no camera
[12:09]  * strk wonders if the laptop camera broke this morning
[12:10] <strk> you should find your camera with some logical name being /dev/video
[12:10] <ravage> strk: does not show up there
[12:10] <strk> uhm
[12:10] <ravage> ah damn
[12:10] <strk> `lshw  | grep video` what about this ?
[12:10] <ravage> give me a moment :P
[12:11] <strk> grep -i maybe, if you want to also catch the bus, assuming you have a bus too
[12:11] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/5evekyaq.txt
[12:12] <strk> interesting, so that camera is not in /dev/video but in /dev/input
[12:12] <strk> oh, fun
[12:13] <strk> Fn-F10 (the key has the icon of a camera)
[12:13] <strk> all solved
[12:13] <ravage> yay!
[12:13] <strk> and now `v4l2-dbg -D` shows it
[12:13] <strk> and now I have /dev/video0 and /dev/video1
[12:13] <strk> yay!
[12:13] <ravage> i did not read the backlog so see we are talking about a laptop
[12:14] <strk> and product: Chicony USB2.0 Camera: Chicony
[12:14] <ravage> *to see
[12:14] <strk> I didn't mention upfront
[12:14] <ravage> we have that button problem here all the time
[12:14] <strk> I recently switched to i3 and had this silly idea of keybinding that key to fix the monitor
[12:14] <ravage> and not only with cameras
[12:15] <strk> so maybe I accidentally hit Fn instead of the "win" key :)
[12:15] <ravage> wifi, bluetooth :)
[12:15] <strk> journalctl reports hitting tha tkey with: kernel: usb 2-7: USB disconnect, device number 5
[12:15] <strk> and: kernel: usb 2-7: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
[12:16] <strk> when you toggle
[12:17] <strk> it's interesting that rebooting the machine does not reset that state
[12:17] <strk> and also that all those errors about those clients do not affect functionality of them
[12:17] <strk> ie: chromium (in a videomeeting) immediately saw the camera enabled
[12:18] <ravage> i have no idea where those settings are stored
[12:18] <ravage> i would think bios related somehow
[12:18] <ravage> and with battery backup maybe :D
[12:18] <strk> this is a freebios laptop, btw
[12:19] <ravage> only replaced the bios of one chromebook so far
[12:19] <ravage> what is that? coreboot?
[12:19] <strk> yes
[12:19] <strk> but honestly I didn't really play with it much
[12:19] <strk> not even sure I ever saw it :)
[12:19] <strk> it came preinstalled (system76 machine)
[12:20] <ravage> i looked at some of the devices at fosdem
[12:20] <ravage> neat hardware
[12:20] <strk> I'm a long time happy customer of system76. Only once I had a problem (hardware, and not happy to send the machine back)
[12:21] <strk> but the customer service is pretty nice
[12:21] <strk> too bad it's only ubuntu
[12:21] <strk> well, popOS now
[12:21] <ravage> btw we do not really support popOS here if that is what you are running. does not matter with your button problem
[12:22] <ravage> just a general information for next time
[12:22] <strk> I never know what I'm running :P
[12:22] <strk> probably this one was before popOS
[12:22] <strk> lsb_release -a tells me ubuntu 22.04
[12:22] <strk> Description:    Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[12:22] <ravage> thats totally fine then :)
[12:23] <strk> I took the habit to search for "ubuntu" when I need some info about anything GNU/Linux related
[12:23] <ravage> as i said the button was an easy fix. but when it comes to kernel modules it can really make a difference
[12:23] <strk> there's just much more info and usually it's associated with Ubuntu even if it's not strictly related :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:49] <hiya> Why does ubuntu uptime shows 2 users?
[14:50] <JoeBk> hiya, mine only shows 1 user
[14:50] <hiya> JoeBk: Am I hacked? What is going on?
[14:50] <JoeBk> dunno
[14:51] <JoeBk> I'm trying to figure how to see a list of logged in users
[14:52] <hiya> JoeBk: try w ?
[14:52] <hiya> Ok do one thing
[14:52] <hiya> open a new tab, and do sudo -i and retry uptime
[14:53] <JoeBk> thanks that works
[14:55] <JoeBk> last -p now
[14:56] <JoeBk> I think the proper way is: last -p now
[14:58] <webchat64> HI
[14:59] <webchat64> can i have some help. i want to change the name of my home dir from <dead name> to real name
[15:01] <JoeBk> webchat64, you homedir is specified in /etc/passwd
[15:01] <webchat64> yes but if it just change it it will bake eveything
[15:02] <JoeBk> what if you rename your homedir
[15:02] <JoeBk> ?
[15:02] <hiya> JoeBk: So what do you get? two users now? When you open a new tab and 'sudo -i' ?
[15:03] <JoeBk> yeah uptime lies
[15:03] <webchat64> trure can i do that safly when login the that user?
[15:03] <JoeBk> you should do that as root
[15:04] <JoeBk> exec sudo su -
[15:04] <webchat64> should i do it from sudo in that account or a diffrunt account
[15:04] <JoeBk> do it in root account
[15:04] <JoeBk> exec sudo su -
[15:05] <JoeBk> that will put you in root account
[15:05] <webchat64>  sorry dont floower you have to be login to run sudo
[15:06] <JoeBk> yes you need to be logged in to an account with sudo priv
[15:07] <JoeBk> that command will log you out of what ever account you are in and put you in root account
[15:07] <JoeBk> it might be a good idea to backup yourn stuff first.
[15:08] <webchat64> ok done
[15:08] <JoeBk> did it werk?
[15:08] <webchat64> done exec sudo su - and it just put me in a root prumpted
[15:08] <JoeBk> you might want to create anoter account first in case you are unable to login.
[15:09] <webchat64> oh so you say the thing i was asking u got it
[15:09] <JoeBk> what?
[15:09] <webchat64> is it just
[15:09] <webchat64> mv /home/<dead name> /home/<real name>
[15:09] <webchat64> usermod -d /home/<real name> -m <real name>
[15:10] <JoeBk> should work
[15:10] <JoeBk> I'm not sure tho
[15:10] <JoeBk> I would have another account to log into in case it doesn't work.
[15:11] <webchat64> is there any other place that mit have my dead name?
[15:11] <JoeBk> I dunno
[15:11] <JoeBk> I not a linux expert
[15:11] <JoeBk> hang around here there are some people who know.
[15:13] <JoeBk> hiya, there is a lot of interesting stuff at https://www.makeuseof.com/list-logged-in-users-on-linux/
[15:16] <webchat64> my daed name is in
[15:16] <hiya> JoeBk: Okay
[15:32] <luna_> https://i.imgur.com/cIRErjg.jpg
[15:33] <rud0lf> happy releaseday!
[15:34] <SorinQ> hello! I have a ASUS nvidia 1660 6 GB RAM DDR5, it will work with the latest Ubuntu 23.04?
[15:37] <Apachez> is it LTS day?
[15:41] <pavlos> no, it's ubuntu 23.04 released.
[15:46] <luna_> as pavlos said
[15:46] <luna_> rud0lf: was Thursday
[15:46] <rud0lf> i know :)
[15:46] <rud0lf> late greetings
[15:46] <luna_> Cake at LAS 2023 for Fedora 38 being released on Tuesday and Ubuntu 23.04 on Thursday
[15:46] <luna_> Apachez: next LTS is 24.04 in April 2024
[15:47] <luna_> and next point release in June/July sometime
[15:47] <luna_> i always mix up those summer months
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> please leave the support channel free for support issues
[15:51] <jhutchins> SorinQ: Try it and report the results.
[15:51] <SorinQ> jhutchins, ok
[15:51] <jhutchins> SorinQ: Thanks!  Every bit helps!
[16:25] <Bombo> hi
[16:27] <Bombo> i want to build wine: so i did 'apt build-dep wine; dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt update; apt build-dep -a i386 wine'  to install the 32bit deps, but it failed: The following packages have unmet dependencies: builddeps:wine:i386 : Depends: fontforge-nox:i386 Depends: libxml-parser-perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed some more, how do i fix this?
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Bombo: why dont you just install wine from the repos?
[16:30] <Bombo> lotuspsychje: there is just the latest one, i need 4.0 to test
[16:47] <Jari--> newbie on chromebook, I think it is possible to install ubuntu on it, I think at least sounds sane idea
[16:49] <oerheks> Jari--, it takes a lot of steps to make it install ready, with crouton or something like that
[16:50] <oerheks> then it is not certain all hardware works.
[16:51] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-on-chromebook#1-overview
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> would that still work based on 16.04?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> As xenial is EOL, crouton will (at some point) no longer have a default release. You will always have to specify -r.
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> (from their github)
[17:10] <Apachez> luna_: tnx
[17:25] <quidnunc> Are the snap servers down? I can't "snap refresh"
[17:25] <quidnunc> "cannot communicate with server"
[17:25] <mybalzitch> "all snaps up to date"
[17:26] <leftyfb> quidnunc: works fine here
[17:26] <mybalzitch> I'm in north america
[17:27] <oerheks> https://status.snapcraft.io/
[17:27] <oerheks> nos signs of issues
[17:27] <oerheks> c/no
[17:34] <LucasBR> hey guys, someone can help me?  i installed the ubuntu in dual boot with windows, but when i start the pc he opens the ubuntu directly. I have the grub and i tried to update with the command "sudo update-grub", but doesnt work, ubuntu arent recognize the windows 10!! if i turn on the pc and choose the boot manually i can open the grub, but doesnt
[17:34] <LucasBR> recognize the windows too
[17:35] <tomreyn> LucasBR: use your bios boot menu to switch between booting windows and ubuntu
[17:36] <oerheks> os-prober is disabled, for security reasons
[17:36] <LucasBR> tomreyn you think i cant fix the grub?
[17:37] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[17:37] <Jeremy31> Ubuntu and Windows are installed differently, UEFI/Legacy BIOS mix
[17:37] <tomreyn> LucasBR: there's nothing that needs fixing, grub's not supposed to boot windows, the windows boot loader is
[17:40] <LucasBR> i had dual boot in another pc but other people configured for me, and i had a interface who had a wine color and in this interface i could choose between windows and ubuntu, someone knows this interface name?
[17:40] <LucasBR> tks oerheks i will see this link
[17:46] <jhutchins> I seem to remember that some genius disabled os_prober by default for "security reasons".
[17:46] <oerheks> that is what i wrote some time ago
[17:47] <jhutchins> oerheks: Right.
[17:48] <LucasBR> tks oerheks and tomreyn , i did the tutorial in the link and after i used the command sudo update-grub and now he is reconizing the windowsss
[17:48] <oerheks> have fun!
[17:48] <LucasBR> :)
[17:48] <jhutchins> LucasBR: Working as intended.
[17:49] <tomreyn> LucasBR: note i did not post this link or recommend this. ;)
[17:50] <LucasBR> its risky do this?
[17:50] <jhutchins> LucasBR: Not realistically.
[17:50] <oerheks> the article gives the security reason; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041769.html
[17:51] <oerheks> RedHat has an other solution, i like;" Red Hat only runs os-prober during install time"
[17:51] <jhutchins> If you follow the "security" paranoia far enough, the only solution is to remove ALL connections to the system, including power.
[17:53] <Jeremy31> My Ubuntu 22.10 found the fake Windows Boot loader I left in UEFI
[17:54] <tomreyn> LucasBR: i'd always recommend to inform yourself and make decisions based on what you then understand instead of blindly following others' recommendations, including mine. ;)
[17:57] <tomreyn> hey JoeBk, did you sort out the installation / download issue? if so, how?
[17:58] <JoeBk> tomreyn, it just started working all by itself.  I have no clue what was wrong.
[18:00] <tomreyn> JoeBk: hmm, okay, glad it works now. i assume it may have been networking related, still, even though i guess you have verizon ftth
[18:01] <JoeBk> I hate verizon
[18:01] <JoeBk> this wifi situation sucks
[18:01] <LucasBR> tomreyn: i understand bro, i will learn about and make a decision! tks all for the help!
[18:02] <leftyfb> JoeBk: feel free to complain in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:02] <JoeBk> I'm like 15 feet from the router and I get a weakk signal.
[18:02] <ravage> can you maybe just disable wifi on that thing and get your own router?
[18:03] <JoeBk> too expensive
[18:04] <JoeBk> I should call verizon and see how much they want to install it.
[18:04] <ravage> a wifi access point i mean
[18:04] <ravage> they are not that expensive
[18:05] <JoeBk> how does it connect?
[18:05] <ravage> lan cable
[18:05] <oerheks> but is started working, suddenly...
[18:05] <JoeBk> oerheks, yes
[18:05] <jhutchins> JoeBk: If Verizon is charging you, that's the most expensive option.
[18:06] <JoeBk> I tried it on 2 laptops.  both had same problem.  then areound 1:15 am both started working.
[18:06] <jhutchins> JoeBk: An easy solution would be to get a wireless access point and physically connect it to the router.
[18:06] <JoeBk> comcast is in this area.  I hate comcast more than I have verizon.
[18:06] <JoeBk> hate
[18:06] <jhutchins> JoeBk: I think that's sound judgement.
[18:07] <JoeBk> t-mobil is spozed to have some sort of 5g internet.  they are not in this area yet.
[18:07] <jhutchins> JoeBk: It sounds like you want to measure your signal strength, and monitor it.  Record the results to show to Verizon, and ask them to replace the router.
[18:08] <jhutchins> JoeBk: If you're having trouble with RF connections 5G is NOT the way to go.
[18:08] <JoeBk> jhutchins, I don't own the building.  I have compained about the wifi many times and get ignored.
[18:08] <jhutchins> JoeBk: 5G is the LEAST reliable cell protocol.
[18:09] <JoeBk> jhutchins, 2.4g has interference problems here.
[18:09] <jhutchins> JoeBk: That's Wifi, not cell, right?
[18:09] <jhutchins> Terms are confusing.
[18:09] <JoeBk> yeah  I'm talking wifi.
[18:10] <siddh> Some people refer 5GHz WiFi as 5G
[18:10] <jhutchins> JoeBk: So you have a dedicated Verizon router?
[18:10] <JoeBk> the microwave oven downstairs wipes out 2.4g
[18:10] <siddh> This stupidity comes from phone world where they show a 5G symbol over 5GHz WiFi.
[18:10] <jhutchins> siddh: Yeah, the to-the-home "5G" that Verizon and T-Mobile (Sprint) offer is the cell protocol that barely covers a football field.
[18:11] <JoeBk> yeah it's nowhere near 5G
[18:11] <jhutchins> JoeBk: What's the wired speed on it?
[18:11] <JoeBk> I looked it up and it varies a lot.
[18:11] <JoeBk> we are supposed to get 300mb
[18:12] <jhutchins> You can get programs to graph your WiFi signals.
[18:12] <JoeBk> i gotta run for a bit.
[18:12] <JoeBk> bbl
[18:12] <jhutchins> JoeBk: If everybody in the building is on the same channel that can cause poor connections. If you can graph it, you can force a channel fromt he client end.
[18:13] <tmus_> Trying to get vanilla gnome on Ubuntu 23.04 I get this dependency error: pipewire-alsa : Conflicts: pulseaudio but 1:16.1+dfsg1-2ubuntu3 is to be installed. Is there a way around this?
[18:13] <rbox> what have you done to "try to get vanilla gnome"
[18:13] <jhutchins> I know somebody who had a neighborhood problem with that.  Seems like it was Verizon.  Wired the whole block with the same default channel.
[18:13] <oerheks> seems not like an error, just a warning
[18:14] <tmus_> rbox, apt-get install vanilla-gnome--gnome-default-settings
[18:14] <tmus_> ..only spelled correctly
[18:15] <tmus_> rbox, actually it's "apt-get install vanilla-gnome-desktop" that causes the dependency problem because it pulls in pulseaudio
[18:16] <siddh> Why "vanilla"? At that point just move to debian.
[18:17] <tmus_> siddh, or Suse? I like Ubuntu!
[18:17] <rbox> i just created a docker for 23.04 and ran that command and it seem sfine
[18:17] <rbox> maybe apt update?
[18:18] <rbox> wants to install both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse
[18:18] <tmus_> rbox, already did. did you try with apt-get vanilla-gnome-desktop?
[18:19] <tmus_> install
[18:19] <rbox> i ran the comamnd you said
[18:19] <siddh> tmus_: Ubuntu is nice, and the devs maintain the `ubuntu-gnome-desktop` metapackage for a reason
[18:20] <tmus_> Actually I may be fine with gnome-session and the vanilla settings so the problem is probably not that severe
[18:20] <tmus_> siddh, Okay, so that metapackage just needs an update then
[18:20] <oerheks> bug #1020903
[18:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1020903 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Application freezes when browsing files" [Undecided, Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020903
[18:21] <oerheks> oops
[18:22] <oerheks> add yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pipewire/+bug/2017196
[18:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017196 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "package pipewire-alsa (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: conflicting packages - not installing pipewire-alsa:amd64 [pipewire-alsa conflicts with pulseaudio]" [Undecided, New]
[18:23] <oerheks> also interesting to read https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-23-04-now-uses-pipewire-info-you-should-know-call-for-testing/3907
[18:24] <tmus_> Thank you oerheks
[18:36] <Bombo> how do i fix 'Depends: libxml-parser-perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed' when i try 'apt install libxml-parser-perl:i386' i get more and more
[18:37] <rbox> more and more?
[18:37] <Bombo> depends
[18:37] <oerheks> Bombo, what is the full output, plus the command used?
[18:37] <oerheks> !paste
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> he's trying to compile wine from his original question
 i want to build wine: so i did 'apt build-dep wine; dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt update; apt build-dep -a i386 wine'  to install the 32bit deps, but it failed: The following packages have unmet dependencies: builddeps:wine:i386 : Depends: fontforge-nox:i386 Depends: libxml-parser-perl:i386 but it is not going to be installed some more, how do i fix this?
[18:38] <leftyfb> Bombo: sudo apt install wine
[18:39] <oerheks> why building the same wine?
[18:39] <Bombo> leftyfb: that doesn't install the 4.x wine
[18:40] <Bombo> oerheks: i want to try wine 4.x
[18:40] <leftyfb> Bombo: no, it installed 6.0.3 on Ubuntu 22.04
[18:40] <Bombo> leftyfb: too recent
[18:41] <leftyfb> Bombo: why?
[18:41] <oerheks> so it is not an ubuntu issue..
[18:41] <oerheks> install bionic beaver in a vm
[18:41] <Bombo> leftyfb: because apt always installs the latest version in the repo
[18:41] <oerheks> = wine 3.01
[18:41] <Bombo> oerheks: well ubuntu wont let me install the deps
[18:41] <leftyfb> Bombo: why do you want to install an outdated version of wine?
[18:42] <Bombo> leftyfb: for reasons
[18:42] <leftyfb> Bombo: good luck
[18:42] <Bombo> leftyfb: thx
[18:45] <alkisg> Bombo: ubuntu stopped supported 32bit after the 18.04 version. So yes, many deps will be missing
[18:45] <alkisg> *supporting
[18:47] <jhutchins> alkisg: Unfortunately, there are still proprietary apps like printer filters/drivers that are only available in 32b.
[18:48] <leftyfb> jhutchins: not related to wine
[18:48] <alkisg> jhutchins: I agree, but... that's just an unrelated remark, it doesn't help in compiling wine, did I understand correctly?
[18:49] <Bombo> alkisg: hmm ok but apt doesn't say there is no such package, just 'it is not going to be installed'
[18:49] <jhutchins> Just saying there are still reasons to need 32b support in various systems.
[18:50] <Bombo> jhutchins: indeed i still got a computer with 18.04 with an old printer, which does still work ;)
[18:50] <alkisg> Bombo: run `apt policy wine`, you'll see it's available for i386. Run `fontforge-nox`, you'll see it's only available for amd64. So you can't install fontforge-nox:i386 because it doesn't exist
[18:51] <alkisg> New versions, new dependencies. Old versions, old dependencies, not available in new versions, hence you can't compile them there
[18:51] <leftyfb> Bombo: mind you, Ubuntu 18.04 will be unsupported here in 8 days
[18:51] <leftyfb> sorry, 39 days
[18:52] <oerheks> maybe ESM is a help with 18.04
[18:52] <leftyfb> right, that would mean contact Canonical for help
[18:52] <oerheks> Vendors that supply 32 bit drivers only, know it by now.
[18:52] <alkisg> Do we refuse to help esm users here?
[18:53] <oerheks> alkisg, i don; t refuse if i can find an answer
[18:54] <leftyfb> alkisg: The ubuntu community generally does not support releases longer than 5 years. Canonical has paid support for that (free for a limited amount of machines and users)
[18:55] <leftyfb> alkisg: it's a lot to ask for volunteers
[18:56] <alkisg> I think we talked about that in the past and the agreement was that people here were allowed to help for outdated programs if they wish. Sure the advice is always "update", but in cases where they can, if someone WANTS to help, we don't tell them "out of topic, go elsewhere"...
[18:56] <alkisg> *they can't update
[18:57] <Bombo> alkisg: ii  fontforge-nox:i386                     1:20190801~dfsg-4                 i386         font editor - non-X version
[18:57] <Bombo> ;)
[18:57] <Bombo> (it's focal)
[18:58] <alkisg> Bombo: in your case, you're making a frankenubuntu, noone will be able to support that :D
[18:59] <alkisg> If you need 32bit support in current setups, do install debian; ubuntu dropped support for it, no point in stretching things...
[18:59] <Bombo> leftyfb: ok good to know, but i'll keep using it i guess, just for that one printer
[18:59] <Bombo> i just can't throw old hardware away, that still works
[19:00] <Bombo> alkisg: hm
[19:00] <jhutchins> It's amazing how on a given date, all knowledge and advice for a certain system can suddenly disappear.
[19:00] <Bombo> alkisg: but why are there i386 packages anyways, apt could say 'nope' if i install :i386
[19:01] <jhutchins> alkisg: I agree with that policy.
[19:01] <alkisg> Bombo: mainly to allow an amd64-arch wine to create 32bit prefixes
[19:01] <jhutchins> One of the great features of Linux is broad cross-platform compatibility.
[19:01] <alkisg> To run 32bit windows programs; not to compile 32bit linux programs
[19:01] <Bombo> alkisg: well ;)
[19:03] <deego> I have 22lts, suported, right? Then why do i see this: "25 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.   " ?
[19:03] <leftyfb> !pro | deego
[19:03] <leftyfb> !esm | deego
[19:04] <leftyfb> deego: https://ubuntu.com/pro
[19:04] <deego> yes, but 22 has not expired yet. why do i need extendend maintenance?
[19:04] <deego> it's not eol yet
[19:04]  * oerheks is puzzled too
[19:04] <deego> it is the latest lts, in fact
[19:05] <leftyfb> deego: can you pastebin the entire output please?
[19:05] <deego> don't you guys see the same on your lts's ?
[19:06] <deego> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/e1YHESAc
[19:06] <leftyfb> yeah, that's probably referring to pro
[19:07] <leftyfb> see the link I provide above
[19:07] <deego> i think we are talking past each other? like i said, it's not eol
[19:07] <deego> .. so i shouldn't need pro or esm ?
[19:08] <oerheks> yes you need esm
[19:08] <deego> oerheks: can you explain?  i thought you need esm for /end-of-life/ things for /extendend/ maintenance?
[19:09] <oerheks> your paste is clear, those updates are only available with esm
[19:09] <oerheks> and esm is free
[19:09] <leftyfb> I think it means pro. ESM should only be for EOL releases
[19:09] <leftyfb> though I think they are actually both 1 in the same
[19:10] <oerheks> correct, pro
[19:10] <leftyfb> deego: these are updates to community packages that Canonical has updated but are only available if you sign up for pro
[19:10] <leftyfb> deego: which for a home user is free for I think 5 machines
[19:11] <oerheks> I think it is because maintainers do not patch quickly enough ...
[19:11] <leftyfb> right
[19:11] <leftyfb> !ubuntupro | deego
[19:52] <ran> I think there is a bug in xubuntu 23.03 - Grayscale font anti-aliasing not available
[19:53] <ran> in Setting Manager In Appearance When selecting "Enable anti-aliasing" and Hinting set to "none" and "Sub-pixel order" set to "none" the hinting/anti-aliasing is set to RGB and not grayscale anti-aliasing as it used to be, So there isn't a way to change to grayscale anti-aliasing, thre is only RGB anti-aliasing. The problem is that not anyone likes RGB hinting/anti-aliasing, and some fonts look bad especially on black/dark background.
[19:56] <jhutchins> ran: Note that this is probably a gnome problem, not Ubuntu per-se, but still relevant.
[19:56] <jhutchins> ran: Are there any bug reports that cover it?
[19:56] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/2017314
[19:56] <ran> it can be xfce problem
[19:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017314 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Problem With font rendering in Xubuntu 23.04 - Grayscale anti-aliasing not available as it used to be in 22.10" [Undecided, New]
[19:57] <ran> this is my bug report
[19:57] <ioria> i know
[19:58] <jhutchins> ran: Ah.  We assume gnome, which is the default, unless otherwise specified.
[19:58] <ran> ok
[19:58] <jhutchins> Which, duh, I see you did, you said xubuntu in the first place.  My bad.
[19:59] <jhutchins> ran: Definitely vote that up or post "me too" or something.
[19:59] <jhutchins> Oh, it's yours.
[19:59] <jhutchins> I think I'm gonna go get more tea.
[19:59] <ran> yes
[20:01] <ran> there is some true-type fonts that emulate bitmapped fonts that look bad with RGB anti-aliasing
[20:03] <ran> the only way to fix this is to turn-off anti-aliasing, but the fonts looks very bad
[20:16] <Jari--> firmware support from HP for Ubuntu is very limited in my opinion
[20:16] <Jari--> actually meaning AMD, the hardware I have is AMD
[20:17] <Jari--> Radeon+APU CPU
[20:17] <ravage> Jari--: that is a very general statement and i would like to see some data that support that comapared to others
[20:17] <Jari--> ravage well, how do you e.g. flash a BIOS in Ubuntu?
[20:17] <Jari--> on Windows you simply click away
[20:17] <ravage> usually via efi
[20:18] <jhutchins> Jari--: Linux is not just windows without the pricetag.
[20:18] <Jari--> ravage but the EFI upload interface is Windows only
[20:18] <leftyfb> fwupdmgr
[20:18] <Jari--> I should search for Ubuntu EFI tools, I think
[20:18] <jhutchins> Jari--: That's not true, EFI/UEFI come from a mainframe background and are used on a WIDE range of hardware, including Apple Macs.
[20:19] <ravage> also HPs enterprise support for Linux is great
[20:19] <ravage> i can update my bios via the included remote interface
[20:19] <oerheks> fwupdmgr get-devices # or go wild; fwupdmgr get-updates
[20:20] <Towser> How do I make a "network bridge" between the WiFi and the ethernet so that the WiFi connection goes through the ethernet but is also still available to use
[20:20] <rbox> you can't easily bridge wifi
[20:20] <jhutchins> I've run some pretty big Linux farms on HP servers.
[20:20] <jhutchins> Towser: With a router.
[20:20] <Towser> rbox how in Lubuntu?
[20:20] <rbox> i just said you can't...
[20:21] <jhutchins> rbox: You CAN, but it usually takes some extra hardware.
[20:21] <leftyfb> Towser: you don't
[20:21] <jhutchins> rbox: Most routers run a form of linux.
[20:21] <rbox> and most routers aren't running consumer hardware
[20:21] <leftyfb> " but is also still available to use"
[20:22] <leftyfb> that part is not possible unless you have a chipset with multiple radios and the software supports it
[20:22] <leftyfb> Towser: you get multiple wifi cards/adapters
[20:22] <Towser> WiFi goes into eithernet but you can still use the WiFi connection
[20:22] <leftyfb> no
[20:23] <leftyfb> Towser: you cannot put the wifi adapter in AP mode and expect it to also function in station mode
[20:25] <Jeremy31> Towser: Depending on the driver it is possible
[20:26] <Towser> How do I do that with my card/driver?
[20:27] <Jeremy31> Towser: See https://github.com/lakinduakash/linux-wifi-hotspot be sure to install the dependencies.  It doesn't work with all wifi devices supported in Linux
[20:27] <leftyfb> Jeremy31: that's not what they're asking
[20:27] <oerheks> networkmanager in ubuntu can setup hotspot too
[20:27] <leftyfb> they're not just asking for a hotspot
[20:28] <Towser> I'm looking to feed the WiFi into the ethernet and still use the WiFi
[20:28] <Jeremy31> leftyfb: They want to share a wifi through a single wifi device?
[20:28] <jhutchins> Towser: What do you mean "use the wifi"?
[20:28] <Towser> Have the WiFi connection usable on the machine still
[20:28] <leftyfb> they want a single wifi adapter to join an SSID, but also act as it's own SSID for clients to join it, while also sharing wifi to clients connected via ethernet - not possible with standard wifi devices
[20:29] <leftyfb> Towser: you get 2 wifi adapters. One to join an SSID, the other to act as a hotspot
[20:29] <jhutchins> Towser: I'm still not clear on "usable".  If you want to use the  wifi on this device to connect to another device on the network, that's probably not going to work.
[20:30] <jhutchins> Towser: Especially without studying a LOT of wirless network theory.
[20:30] <Towser> Not quite. I'm looking for it to use a network and also share it to ethernet. Sadly it only has the one WiFi card
[20:30] <leftyfb> Towser: that you can do. But you cannot have other clients join your "hotspot" wirelessly. Only via ethernet
[20:31] <jhutchins> Towser: The good news is that if you can figure this out, you can probably get a good job as a network engineer.
[20:31] <Towser> That's the plan, the WiFi is shared via ethernet and the same WiFi is also the network connection for the computer itself
[20:32] <leftyfb> Towser: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/creating-and-configuring-wi-fi-hotspot-in-ubuntu/#
[20:33] <Jeremy31> Towser: Works better the other way, using ethernet as a source for a wifi hotspot
[20:33] <leftyfb> Jeremy31: you can do either
[20:33] <Jari--> okay, Ubuntu running, but terminal fails to start up...
[20:33] <oerheks> not possible. being hotspot and host at the same time
[20:33] <oerheks> use 2 wifi adapters
[20:33] <Jeremy31> oerheks: depends on if the driver supports concurrent mode
[20:33] <leftyfb> Towser: sorry, wrong link: https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection/
[20:34] <Jeremy31> Using one wifi device will be slower than using 2
[20:34] <Towser> My connection is WiFi but one device I have only accepts ethernet so the solution would be to set this up
[20:34] <leftyfb> oerheks: when connected to wifi and sharing said connection to connected ethernet devices, the host also uses the wifi connection for connectivity (internet)
[20:34] <leftyfb> Towser: https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection/
[20:34] <leftyfb> Towser: good luck
[20:35] <Towser> How would this work on Lubuntu? It's a little bit different
[20:35] <jhutchins> Should be possible to route traffic from the wired connection through the wifi to the gateway.
[20:35] <jhutchins> Towser: lubuntu is the same underneath the GUI.
[20:35] <oerheks> just use wired and setup wifi for sharing.
[20:35] <jhutchins> Towser: Networking is the same.
[20:35] <jhutchins> oerheks: I think he wants to forward the wired to the wifi.
[20:36] <leftyfb> lubuntu uses network manager?
[20:36] <leftyfb> I don't think that's true
[20:36] <Pokey> Is Ubuntu dropping support for ZFS rootfs entirely?
[20:36] <jhutchins> Doing this with Network Manager would probably be a nightmare.
[20:36] <ravage> Pokey: all we know is that the new installer in 23.04 does not support it
[20:37] <ravage> it may return. but there is no official statement
[20:37] <leftyfb> jhutchins: it's literally a dropdown choice as per the link I posted twice now
[20:37] <Pokey> ravage: Ye, quite, and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1966773 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1968150
[20:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1968150 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove zsys from installer" [Undecided, Fix Released] [duplicate: 1966773]
[20:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1968150 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove zsys from installer" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[20:37] <ravage> zsys is another topic
[20:37] <ravage> i think we can burry that for good
[20:38] <Pokey> What is the recommended way these days?
[20:38] <leftyfb> Towser: maybe ask in #lubuntu how you can replicate https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection/ in lubuntu
[20:38] <ravage> dont
[20:38] <jhutchins> Towser: How to do it with two wired interfaces: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[20:38] <Pokey> (I'm looking to migrate a Ubuntu Server install to ZFS rootFS long term)
[20:39] <jhutchins> Towser: Very old, possibly out-of-date/obsolete, but good background.
[20:39] <leftyfb> jhutchins: that's not what they're asking
[20:40] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I've given them exactly how to do it with a single dropdown selection in network manager. Now they need to discuss with dedicated #lubuntu support how to do it specifically in lubuntu
[20:40] <leftyfb> they could just install network manager, that would also work
[20:40] <Jari--> Lubuntu must be much lighter, not reinstalling Ubuntu 22... it might just break again
[20:40] <leftyfb> I don't think installing nm will pull down all of gnome/xorg
[20:42] <Jari--> I just need a sewer where to throw in the Perl program I have
[20:43] <ravage> a gui perl program?
[20:44] <Jari--> choosing xubuntu, recalling this is really fastest X there is
[20:55] <webchat6> I am unable to boot Ubuntu and am getting a BadTLP error.
[20:56] <webchat6> This is version 20.
[20:57] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | webchat6
[20:57] <oerheks> webchat6, like this ?https://askubuntu.com/questions/1272533/badtlp-pcie-bus-error-in-ubuntu-20-04
[20:57] <leftyfb> webchat6: try Ubuntu 22.04
[20:57] <oerheks> some tips, https://itsfoss.com/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected/
[20:57] <webchat6> I am unable to log in to upgrade to 22
[20:58] <leftyfb> webchat6: how long ago did you install 20.04?
[20:58] <oerheks> pci=nomsi is likely to be helpful
[20:58] <webchat6> 2 years ago...this just started happening today afternoon when I removed Python 3
[20:58] <leftyfb> :/
[20:58] <oerheks> ... uh oh
[20:58] <leftyfb> why did you remove python 3?
[20:58] <oerheks> time to reinstall.
[20:59] <leftyfb> webchat6: fresh install 22.04. That is your best option now
[20:59] <webchat6> I wanted to install anaconda and not the default pip as the package mgr
[20:59] <webchat6> Will I lose everything in my hard drive?
[20:59] <leftyfb> yes
[20:59] <leftyfb> backup and then restore after install
[21:00] <webchat6> I can't backup since I am unable to log into it
[21:00] <ravage> you can backup from the installer iso
[21:00] <oerheks> backup with a live iso session
[21:00] <ravage> click "try ubuntu"
[21:01] <webchat6> ok thanks ravage
[21:01] <leftyfb> webchat6: and don't mess with anaconda. There's a reason it's not available in ubuntu
[21:01] <webchat6> got it
[21:02] <webchat6> pytorch folks recommend anaconda and hence I thought of trying it
[21:02] <leftyfb> did you tell them you were running ubuntu?
[21:02] <webchat6> No
[21:02] <rbox> so how does trying anaconda equate to removing python
[21:03] <webchat6> https://pytorch.org/get-started/locally/
[21:03] <webchat6> Anaconda comes with its own Python3
[21:03] <rbox> that doesnt say anything about removing python
[21:03] <webchat6> true but I did not want multiple Python3 versions on my laptop
[21:03] <rbox> lol
[21:04] <oerheks> "Python 3.7 or greater is generally installed by default on any of our supported Linux distributions, which meets our recommendation."
[21:04] <oerheks> ....
[21:05] <oerheks> and further in that page" Python 3.7 or greater is generally installed by default on any of our supported Linux distributions, which meets our recommendation."
[21:05] <oerheks> err
[21:05] <oerheks> If you use Anaconda to install PyTorch, it will install a sandboxed version of Python that will be used for running PyTorch applications.
[21:05] <webchat6> correct
[21:06] <webchat6> I agree that what I did was stupid
[21:06] <oerheks> no need for that sandboxed 3.7 at all..
[21:07] <ravage> learning through pain is effective :)
[21:07] <oerheks> and that page is old, their wiki says; https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch#from-source
[21:07] <oerheks> 3.8
[21:07] <oerheks> what a mess
[21:07] <leftyfb> webchat6: why do you need pytorch?
[21:08] <rbox> maybe his lights are out
[21:08] <webchat6> To do Deep Learning exercises for my HW
[21:11] <batman_> hello/
[21:11] <batman_> hello?
[21:11] <batman_> anyone here
[21:11] <batman_> ?
[21:11] <rbox> nope
[21:11] <rbox> just missed em
[21:11] <batman_> first time using IRC chat
[21:11] <leftyfb> !support | batman_
[21:12] <leftyfb> !offtopic | batman_
[21:12] <batman_> ok i see
[21:12] <bprompt> batman_: just check the channel list in your irc client, based on topics, join a channel :)
[21:13] <jhutchins> !alis
[21:39] <EX3CP01S0N_ALT> SUP
[21:40] <Jeremy31> EX3CP01S0N_ALT: Quit the caps lock
[21:40] <Jari--> so, when is the first Ubuntu based evehicle coming out? electric cars
[21:41] <rbox> the first teslas used ubuntu
[21:43] <Jari--> rbox, I recall reading trillions spent on investments on evehicles, so I am betting everything will in order be this, or is as of
[21:44] <gry> Jari--: look at automotive grade linux (agl), it's in use at a few brands
[21:45] <gry> Jari--: though in vehicle specs it's not usually widely advertised
[21:45] <gry> Jari--: perhaps they dont have an official channel here, so ##agl could be utilized..
[21:49] <Jari--> xubuntu made an internal error
[21:53] <Jari--> okay, the setup popped up, multiple clicks on install icon on a slow pc
[21:55] <Jari--> I am wondering if snapdragon 7c or 850 is supported by Linux, how well, is it usable
[21:56] <Jari--> so called "tablet pc" laptops, averaging 150 euros, for a performance of say 2016 core i7
[21:58] <rbox> when it comes to arm, its not about the processor, the device itself has to be supported
[21:58] <WaV> there is a snapdragon hwe package. I would assume that means ubuntu is compatible.
[22:42] <userr> hi
[22:42] <userr> no one?
[22:42] <userr> ok
[22:42] <userr> bye
[22:43] <rbox> lol
[22:59] <idmbe> hi, no one, ok, bye :) that best one from days :)))
[23:00] <Bashing-om> idmbe: I Just joined - what is the issue you are facing - maybe I can help.
[23:03] <idmbe> Bashing-om: i'm just talking about someone come here and wrote that so fast and he is left
[23:04] <idmbe> Bashing-om: and thanks for you trying to help
[23:04] <Bashing-om> idmbe: Ack - drive bys do happen :D
[23:05] <idmbe> Bashing-om: That truth :)
[23:10] <Bashing-om> idmbe: I did notice your Ubuntu Membership Application on the Forums. Please join the #ubuntu-discuss channel to discuss this.
[23:13] <idmbe> Bashing-om: Ok thank you for let me know that, done
[23:46] <nshire> tracker-miner is using ridiculous CPU power for me
[23:46] <nshire> 100% usage with 1000h of cpu time
[23:48] <nshire> https://i.imgur.com/KNzkvnV.png
[23:51] <leftyfb> nshire: https://askubuntu.com/a/1258772
[23:51] <nshire> 1000 hours of cpu time is not normal
[23:54] <nshire> will .trackerignore work for subfolders? probably?
[23:58] <nshire> I was going to disable it outright but looks like .trackerignore in my folder with 1mil objects is a better option, thanks