 22.1
[00:19] <kc2bez[m]> 22.10? And what were you trying to install?
 Trying to install a crypto called cloakcoin core wallet (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> 22.10? And what were you trying to install?)
[00:57] <kc2bez[m]> @AngryAutos were there instructions for Ubuntu 22.10?
[01:13] <dal2> Gonna file my bug report. What's a graphical file manager similar PCManFM-Qt? Testing another one would help me narrow down where the problem is.
 What you get is whats on cloaks website which is not much (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> @AngryAutos were there instructions for Ubuntu 22.10?)
 The admins on cloak telegram know nothing anyway
 So what do I do for just one app? (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> If you need a newer glibc for just one app, that can be done.)
 How do I know what cloak devs intended to install or not? (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: Usually the way to do that is to find and install all of the build dependencies (there will be a lot of "-dev" packages involved most likely).)
 There are no instructions (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: What instructions are you following?)
 https://wiki.cloakcoin.com/index.php/Install_the_Cloakcoin_Client#Installation_of_the_Precompiled_Linux_Edition (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: Where did you get the source code?)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/82e798c9/file_9586.jpg
 They said to install libcur13 which resulted in this after that I was not able to install the wallet
 Ridiculous
 Wish they would clarify that
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0aa861f2/file_9587.jpg
 I drop and drag cloak qt into terminal hit enter and this is what I get and installing libcurl4 did nothing
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e6ffa747/file_9588.jpg
 Got it
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/40baeedd/file_9589.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e7592a56/file_9590.jpg
 No such file in directory
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/87326058/file_9591.jpg
 So glibc_private again
[03:05] <arraybolt3> It looks like your app is supposed to have a custom libc contained with it possibly? Did you delete any files out of the extracted folder?
 Nope
[03:05] <arraybolt3> (also, sorry if my nick looks weird, I switched chat clients)
 Yeah its whatever
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Yeah, then I'm out of ideas. And if the CloakCoin people are out of ideas too, then I'm not sure how to proceed.
 So there's no way to find out where to get this custom library? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Yeah, then I'm out of ideas. And if the CloakCoin people are out of ideas too, then I'm not sure how to proceed.)
 Why would they say to install libcurl?
[03:08] <arraybolt3> It should have been included with CloakCoin AFAICT. Perhaps the devs accidentally shipped a buggy version of the app, I don't know.
[03:08] <arraybolt3> (libcurl is, I beileve, used for doing stuff like downloading info.)
[03:08] <arraybolt3> (Some part of their app probably needs it and it's not always present on all Ubuntu installations.)
 Is the GLIBC PRIVATE available on any other Ubuntu installs? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> (Some part of their app probably needs it and it's not always present on all Ubuntu installations.))
[03:20] <arraybolt3> Not that I'm aware of.
 So the devs wrote a library specific to cloak and then didn't include it?
[03:32] <arraybolt3> Maybe? That's what it looks like might have happened, though I'm not sure.
 Maybe it's a bug, as it happens with this software
[03:32] <arraybolt3> Or perhaps they had a newer version of glibc that was supposed to be shipped alongside and then forgot to include it? I don't really know. Probably *don't* accuse them of being forgetful and shipping a broken product, that will just make them mad :P
 https://community.synopsys.com/s/question/0D52H00006P7CoHSAV/i-am-trying-to-install-vcs-vcsvt202206sp2-on-an-ubuntu-2204-machine-and-i-am-running-into-this-errorlibx8664linuxgnulibpthreadso0-version-glibcprivate-not-found-required-by-pathsynopsysvcst202206sp2linux64binvcs1
 Same error
[03:45] <dal2> Can anyone please tell me a graphical file manager similar to PCManFM-Qt?
[04:01] <arraybolt3> dal2: Is PCManFM-Qt not working for some reason? What flavor of Ubuntu are you trying to install it on?
[04:01] <arraybolt3> (There are lots of file managers out there, probably the most similar one would be just plain-old pcmanfm, I would guess.)
[04:01] <dal2> arraybolt3: What's another in addition to pcmanfm ?
[04:02] <arraybolt3> It depends on what you mean by "similar" and what your needs are.
[04:02] <arraybolt3> Two that I can think of off the top of my head are Thunar and Caja.
[04:02] <dal2> arraybolt3: I think I have a bug, so I'm trying to confirm that it's caused by pcmanfm-qt which I think it is
[04:02] <arraybolt3> (One is from XFCE, the other from MATE.)
[04:02] <dal2> arraybolt3: I've used Nautilus before, seems Ubuntu ships with Nautilus, I might try that
[04:02] <arraybolt3> dal2: Hmm, what's the bug?
[04:03] <arraybolt3> I help develop Lubuntu and might be able to figure out which component is causing it.
[04:03] <arraybolt3> You could also just file the bug against pcmanfm-qt in Ubuntu and we can try to figure it out from there.
[04:03] <dal2> arraybolt3: In the previous version of Lubuntu, and in all earlier versions I've used for years, I live boot and then use the file manager to decrypt my LUKS-encrypted HDD.
[04:04] <dal2> arraybolt3: When I decrypt -- whether I use "forget password immediately" or "remember password for this session" or "remember forever" -- the file manager lets me navigate around the subdirectories of the decrypted HDD, yay, functional!
[04:05] <dal2> arraybolt3: Suddenly with 23.04, it not longer works. I can input the password successfully, and it decrypts and shows me the HDD's label correctly, but I'm not allowed to navigate around the root directory or subdirectory of the decrypted HDD
[04:05] <arraybolt3> Oy.
[04:05] <arraybolt3> That's almost certainly in pcmanfm-qt, then.
[04:06] <arraybolt3> There's no other "decryptor" code in LXQt that I know of.
[04:06] <dal2> arraybolt3: With 23.04, if I input passphrase/decrypt with "Remember forever", the error message is "An operation is already pending"
[04:06] <dal2> With 23.04, if I input passphrase/decrypt with "Forget password immediately" or "remember password for this session", I get another error message that mentions permissions, but user error here, I haven't written it down yet but will do so prior to filing bug report
[04:07] <dal2> arraybolt3: I would try cryptsetup, but I don't remember the syntax and don't want to accidentally ruin my not-backed-up-recently HDD's permissions. So I will try nautilus
[04:07] <arraybolt3> Ok. Run "ubuntu-bug pcmanfm-qt" in a terminal and follow the directions (you will need to either sign into or create an Ubuntu One account). That will let you report the bug. Describe what you did, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead (like you just did for me), and then post it. That will help us have it in a list of "look into this" thingies so we can try and help fix it.
[04:07] <dal2> arraybolt3: Also, thanks for developing Lubuntu. I've been using it for several years and really appreciate it. <3
[04:07] <arraybolt3> :) Thanks!
[04:09] <dal2> arraybolt3: My suspicion in laymen's terms is that somehow, PCManFM-Qt is no longer, in 23.04, transferring/assigning/allotting "permissions" for the decrypted HDD to the lubuntu live user. I bet if I used cryptsetup -- and I have the syntax saved in a .txt somewhere -- it would work, same with Nautilus I'm guessing, and that would pinpoint
[04:09] <dal2> PCManFM-Qt
 So in other words the symbols used in older programs are not included in the updated libs on newer distros of Ubuntu and programs like cloak would work on older distros of Linux? (re @Roberalz: https://community.synopsys.com/s/question/0D52H00006P7CoHSAV/i-am-trying-to-install-vcs-vcsvt202206sp2-on-an-ubuntu-2204-machine-and-i-am-running-into-this-errorlibx8664linuxgnulibpthreadso0-version-glibcprivate-not-found-required-by-pathsynop
 What would be a work around for that downgrade to an old lib?
[04:13] <arraybolt3> dal2: I don't think PCManFM-Qt has the rights to do any transfer of permissions. I'm not sure why it would fail, though, so we'll have to look into it and find out.
[04:13] <arraybolt3> The fact that it used to work and now doesn't should make this easy though - just "git bisect" and do some recompiles, that should find the exact piece of code that broke it. So long as we can reproduce the issue, that's something we can do on our end.
[04:13] <dal2> arraybolt3: Yup, no need for suspicions when I get a good bug report filed for you all. Tonight or tomorrow at the latest. I see, 'git bisect' must be the dev equivalent of enduser $ diff     :)
[04:15] <arraybolt3> dal2: Heh, maybe. git bisect basically lets you say "The code worked here, and it stopped working here. So give me the state the code was in somewhere between those two so I can recompile it and see if it works or not." You just keep marking "works" or "doesn't work" changes until it tells you "This particular change broke things."
[04:17] <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: If this app does work on older versions of Lubuntu, I'd just run it in a virtual machine with that older version.
[04:18] <arraybolt3> Like run Lubuntu 23.04 on your physical system and 22.04 in a VM, maybe.
 Any good VM you recommend? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Like run Lubuntu 23.04 on your physical system and 22.04 in a VM, maybe.)
[04:20] <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: I personally have found GNOME Boxes to be nice, even on Lubuntu. You can install it with "sudo apt install gnome-boxes".
[04:20] <arraybolt3> (There's also virt-manager but that can be a bit trickier. Please save yourself the hassle and possible data loss and avoid VirtualBox.)
[04:21] <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: While you're right here, I see you're using Lubuntu 22.10. Lubuntu 23.04 was released just recently, and 22.10 goes end-of-life in about three months, after which point it will stop receiving updates and support. You may want to consider upgrading to 23.04 before then.
 How do I update? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: While you're right here, I see you're using Lubuntu 22.10. Lubuntu 23.04 was released just recently, and 22.10 goes end-of-life in about three months, after which point it will stop receiving updates and support. You may want to consider upgrading to 23.04 before then.)
[04:24] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html
[04:27] <guiverc> fyi: I'd recommend reading the release notes first; https://lubuntu.me/lunar-released/ 
 Any chance of this upgrade working with cloak? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html)
[04:42] <guiverc> what cloak?  (sorry being on IRC I'm thinking of the IRC cloak, which doesn't apply...)
 This cloak coin wallet I am trying to get working (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> what cloak?  (sorry being on IRC I'm thinking of the IRC cloak, which doesn't apply...))
[04:47] <guiverc> sorry; I only got home & thus haven't read back ^  (i responded only to what I saw which was the update question)
 If not I guess I will try to install it on vm (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> sorry; I only got home & thus haven't read back ^  (i responded only to what I saw which was the update question))
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d83e328c/file_9592.jpg
[04:58] <guiverc> I'd click OK, then switch to a text terminal (you can open one, or ctrl+alt+f4 & kill xscreensaver using `killall xscreensaver`).  
[04:59] <guiverc> The error message is warning you that if xscreensaver runs, you maybe unable to unlock the session using xscreensaver itself (you can just use the text terminal [ctrl+alt+f4 type session] to kill it though..)
[04:59] <guiverc> you can ignore it if you'll remain on the machine & prevent it from starting xscreensaver (hitting shift etc), but I'd just kill it.
 Like this?
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/bb800701/file_9593.jpg
[05:01] <guiverc> yep.
 Ok
[05:49] <J1D> Can Lubuntu be installed with Wayland instead of X11? (I actually want this because of gestures, so may be there are other ways?)
[06:29] <Nick63> there is a problem while installing lubuntu
[06:36] <guiverc> J1D, Lubuntu only support LXQt or the Xorg version.. LWQt (early/unofficial name of wayland ver was still not deemed ready for prime time; we'll look at it with 23.10 probably
[07:31] <J1D> guiverc: thanks for the info!
[16:21] <cmb11195> So ive run into an error and looking online to solve it has gotten me nowhere. anyone toyed with the lubuntu LXQT version enough to take a stab and trying to help me figure out what kind of madness ive gotten myself into
[16:33] <kc2bez[m]> cmb11195: this is the Lubuntu support channel, go ahead and ask your question. 
[16:42] <cmb11195> so got onmy computer and I had to boot it from the grub. after getting to the login point; I login and nothing. like the regular ubuntu login loop issue. Tried going down that rabbit hole of problems and solutions. noting will end the loop. Getting error notifications about xcb detected but not functioning when I go into the ctl+alt+f3 terminal
[16:42] <cmb11195> login and try opening any applications that way. my Lubuntu user sessions wont work, nor the LXQT ones. Openbox logs in opens my emails and my windscibe vpn but nothing else is accessible. all file not found errors. when I attempt to login its acts sucessful. goes black and two seconds later back at login with no user level notifications
[16:44] <cmb11195> kc2bez[m] ^
[16:46] <kc2bez[m]> Is this on a fresh install? If so which version? 
[16:49] <cmb11195> no its not a fresh one. Ive been using Lubuntu for about 2 years. I'm in a bootable usb on the desktop thats having the issues. give me a moment and ill find my distro info.
[16:51] <kc2bez[m]> OK, since you have had it for a bit make sure you have space in your home directory.
[16:55] <cmb11195> this is the output im getting and I have no idea why its saying im running ubuntu os... shouldnt be a storage related issue. only using 113 gb and still have 124 gb available
[16:56] <cmb11195> uploaded the file so you could see the file path and that even in the files path it says its lubuntu. and yet the document says its ubuntu. not sur ehow you view uploaded files tho
[17:06] <cmb11195> scratch that. not uploading it givng me an error about the document. but it says in /media/lubuntu/problemdesktop/etc/os-release the pretty name is Ubuntu 23.04 (lunar Lobster) Debian distro
[17:24] <cmb11195> upload error: tus failed to create upload, caused by [objectProgressEvent], originated from request (response code:0 response text:)
[17:46] <kc2bez[m]> Lubuntu is Ubuntu so that makes sense. I was really after the version number which you provided. Since you are running 23.04 I assume you updated recently. Did you receive any errors during the update?
[19:03] <cmb11195> no I dont believe so but I'll double check the var/logs/apt file to make sure i didnt miss anything.
[20:13] <cmb11195> well... i dont know how but my /proc /sys/ and /srv files on the desktop partitions are completely empty. even opening a root instance with show hidden files attribute checked there is noting in them. I have found a few different errors in the various  log files. Id upload the ones with errors but its still throwing me an error when I do. I'm
[20:13] <cmb11195> gonna use the ubuntu-bug tool to submit the logs. I dont think its a hardware issue. the computers not even a year old yet. Thanks for the help though
[22:58] <dal2> arraybolt3: I filed two bugs. The first is an annoying behavior of nautilus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/2017452
[22:58] -ubottu:#lubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017452 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "On run, nautilus opens two windows instead of one" [Undecided, New]
[22:59] <dal2> arraybolt3: The second is the pacman decrypt / permissions problem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pacman/+bug/2017453 See especially the comment I left with a convenient summary
[22:59] -ubottu:#lubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017453 in pacman (Ubuntu) "in pacman, permission denied after successful decryption" [Undecided, New]