[04:36] <cali_> hello
[04:36] <cali_> anyonre still awake?
[04:37] <Bashing-om> cali_: Ask your support question, anyway :D
[04:37] <cali_> lol
[04:39] <aimatme> It is mid afternoon here, so yes still awake.
[04:39] <cali_> hope tyhis appropiriat, i didnt come to waste your time hmbly and respectfully teying to find out the best way to install proton vpn...ive used the graphical vpn from proton (paid )  so
[04:39] <cali_> im resding some people suugest to set it up thr.ovpn files
[04:40] <cali_> whats the differnce, im not even sure how to wiord the question to get good results from google?
[04:41] <cali_> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ProtonVPN
[04:41] <cali_> besides the memory footprint is there a differnce in performance or security?
[04:42] <cali_> i dont understand why someone chooses one or the other besides gui?
[04:43] <aimatme> cali: probably native support for VPN's configured with the OS' network controller.
[04:44] <aimatme> I don't know how Proton VPN client works though.
[04:44] <aimatme> I assume you've tried following the Proton VPN documentation? https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-ubuntu-vpn-setup/
[04:46] <cali_> yes and ive succesfully set it up downloading and installing the .deb file
[04:46] <aimatme> I wouldn't worry about it unless you have specific issues with it.
[04:47] <cali_>  using OpenVPN files to set up thru terminal, do i get performance boost or better stabilty /security
[04:47] <cali_> at all in any way shappe or form?
[04:48] <aimatme> Highly unlikely unless the app is garbage.
[04:48] <cali_> im not extremliy worried , just thought it would be cool to lesrn something new amd if theres perks to it
[04:48] <cali_> it wasnt very good on debian bullseye
[04:49] <aimatme> Looks like Proton have a "how to" on manual setup on linux.
[04:49] <aimatme> https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-openvpn/
[04:50] <cali_> yes they do, sorry if i wasnt clear  the only questions i couldnt find clear and decisive answers on was just the differnces and y or y not use one method as opposed to the other
[04:51] <cali_> i need to get better at searching
[04:51] <aimatme> Ohh, yeah I see. If you had stability issues with the app, or compatibility issues is why you'd use the manual setup. It's also way easier to automate.
[04:52] <cali_> automate-meaning i could set it up to start at boot? i cn do that thru the proton app i believe
[04:53] <cali_> thank you for your time by the way  its greatly appreciated
[04:54] <aimatme> no worries. No easier to automate deploying to many workstations.
[04:54] <cali_> i see
[04:54] <cali_> ok that doesnt pertain to me lol
[04:55] <cali_> thank you again for your time  i promise it wasnt wasted
[04:55] <aimatme> No worries.
[04:55] <cali_> cheers
[05:48] <aalekh> msg nishit hiii
[08:39] <addiks> Hi, does anybody know how to add folders to the sidebar in nemo? Dragging the folder over the sidebar just moves the folder into the folder that the mose (in the sidebar) is over. Also there is no global menu and there is no option to move into sidebar in the context menu of the folder.
[08:44] <geirha> addiks: in nautilus, when you drag a folder to the sidebar, one of the entries in the sidebar changes to "New Bookmark", and if you drop it on top of that, it gets added to the sidebar as a bookmark. I haven't tried Nemo, but it's apparently based on Nautilus
[08:46] <addiks> qeirha: Looks like my nemo installation is broken somehow. Apparently the shortcur Ctrl+D is supposed to add bookmarks, but on my system that does nothing. I have now just edited the ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks file by hand. That at least worked.
[08:46] <addiks> Thanks anyway :-)
[08:47] <knstn> Chrome doesn't play sound. I have this problem since 20.04. I upgraded to 22.04, I re-installed Chrome but I have the same issue. For example with Google Meet, only the video is working. I have a laptop with built-in camera and mic. If I plug a USB camera, sound works.... Any hints will be appreciated.
[08:57] <knstn> The built-in mic is working. It is working with Slack for example.
[09:07] <geirha> knstn: One thing I'd try is logging in with the guest user (or create a new user to test with) and try there. That ensures you get a fresh instance of chrome. Could be there are some settings saying to not allow using that mic for this and that site
[09:12] <knstn> I don't know... It's my work laptop. I don't use Ubuntu on my desktop. I will try what you suggested.
[09:25] <ravage> knstn: do other applications have sound? and your usb camera has speakers?
[09:26] <ravage> or what do you mean by "sound works"`
[09:27] <knstn> Yes. Every other application is using the built-in mic. No problems. If I plug a USB camera with built-in mic, it works as well. It also works with Chrome.
[09:27] <knstn> Only the laptop's built-in mic when used on Chrome doesn't work.
[09:35] <ravage> my first suggestion is to try chromium
[09:35] <ravage> it comes with Ubuntu and is a supported browser
[09:36] <ravage> also install the package "pavucontrol". it lets you see details about your sound devices
[09:37] <ravage> maybe something is just muted or the volume is too low
[09:43] <deepSleep> I was doing a release-upgrade over ssh and I lost the connection, I need to input some responses.  How can i get that session back?  I was passed to it when the upgrade started
[09:44] <ravage> i think it runs in screen
[09:44] <ravage> is there a running screen session?
[09:44] <deepSleep> yes!
[09:44] <deepSleep> thank you
[10:06] <windowsHater> hi there
[10:34] <masber> hi, I have chrome installed on my laptop, I did the installation some time ago, now chrome complains it needs to be updated, however when I click the update button on the top right corner it says it can't update, also I tried downloading the .dev file but it can't install it, it just extract the files
[10:34] <masber> so what should I do about this?
[10:34] <masber> does this means chrome was installed outside snap?
[10:35] <windowsHater> are you using ubuntu?
[10:35] <windowsHater> because it seems you didn't really downloaded the .deb, or even i think you just downloaded the .zip
[10:35] <masber> ubuntu yes
[10:35] <EriC^^> masber: does it say why it cant be updated?
[10:36] <masber> yes im using ubuntu
[10:36] <geirha> if you installed it via the deb, it adds a google app repo which will include updates
[10:36] <masber> yes im downloading the deb file form the chrome website
[10:36] <geirha> *google apt repo
[10:37] <masber> I dont remember how I got it installed int he first place
[10:37] <masber> :(
[10:37] <windowsHater> what about doing apt update and then upgrade
[10:37] <masber> let me check apt update and apt upgrade
[10:39] <geirha> if it is installed via the deb,    apt policy google-chrome-stable    should output some info
[10:39] <masber> geirha, correct https://dpaste.org/qw6tU/raw
[10:40] <windowsHater> that paste seems incomplete
[10:40] <masber> it is all it shows
[10:40] <masber> I double checked
[10:40] <geirha> masber: looks like the apt repo is no longer there. Have you upgraded the OS release since installing chrome?
[10:41] <masber> yes I did updated ubuntu
[10:41] <geirha> right, the release upgrade will disable all third-party repos, so that's why then
[10:41] <masber> ah, ok
[10:42] <geirha> Should just be a matter or re-enabling it. Look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[10:44] <masber> I hav enothing related with google or chrome under `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/`
[10:49] <masber> ok, I installed the gogole chrome repos and it now seems ok
[10:49] <masber> thx!
[11:34] <KIRIESHKA> https://admin.com
[12:01] <KIRIESHKA> An offer was received in private in DC++ to give admin jess
[12:02] <KIRIESHKA> The offer will be reviewed
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> this is the ubuntu support channel KIRIESHKA
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> only ubuntu questions here please
[12:03] <KIRIESHKA> and accepted
[12:04] <KIRIESHKA> okidoki
[12:12] <KIRIESHKA> http://asm.org
[12:12] <KIRIESHKA> ухты ёпты
[12:13] <KIRIESHKA> опять вы пидаразы попали
[12:13] <KIRIESHKA> wery straje
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | KIRIESHKA
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> stop it please KIRIESHKA
[12:14] <elias_a> !ops
[12:15] <KIRIESHKA> no
[12:15] <KIRIESHKA> jess
[12:22] <deepSleep> I just upgraded from 16 to 20, and now have unment dependencies for chromium-browser.  I've tried --fix-broken, but it throws an error that it cant mount squashfs to install the necessary update.  Is there some other way to fix the program, or someway to remove it from the system?  Apt wont let me do anything
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <jhutchins> deepSleep: WHere does squashfs come into the picture?
[13:08] <deepSleep> jhutchins, i think its needed during the upgrade of the chromium-browser package
[13:08] <deepSleep> its with snapd
[13:08] <jhutchins> deepSleep: All bets are off with snap.  Sounds like a bad package.
[13:09] <deepSleep> "Installing the chromium snap" and "error: system does not fully support snapd: cannot mount squashfs image using
[13:09] <deepSleep>        "squashfs": mount: /tmp/syscheck-mountpoint-277614031: mount failed:
[13:09] <deepSleep>        Operation not permitted."
[13:09] <deepSleep> woops didnt mean to spam
[13:09] <deepSleep> jhutchins, right.  I cant even remove.  Quite annoying because its on a server where the only thing i can do is format back to 16. then gotta go through the setups agian
[13:11] <jhutchins> deepSleep: backups.
[13:11] <leftyfb> deepSleep: first, please use the correct version numbers. We're going to assume you're referring to 16.04 and 20.04. Second, in 20.04, which kernel are you running?
[13:11] <jhutchins> 16 to 20 seems like a big jump.
[13:11] <deepSleep> jhutchins, its a clean install, no data lost, just upgrading a server that only has the choice of 16.04 as an OS
[13:12] <deepSleep> I'm trying to set up npm and yarn, but on 16.04 I can't get the versions I need working
[13:12] <leftyfb> deepSleep: there's probably a reason for that. It sounds like it's a VPS a shared and outdated kernel
[13:12] <deepSleep> leftyfb, 4.4.0 kernel
[13:13] <leftyfb> bingo
[13:13] <leftyfb> deepSleep: this is a VPS?
[13:13] <deepSleep> it is
[13:13] <leftyfb> deepSleep: you'll need to contact your provider for support with acquiring a 20.04 VPS
[13:13] <deepSleep> leftyfb, I suppose I can just dockerize everything?
[13:14] <leftyfb> unlikely in this case
[13:14] <deepSleep> damn
[13:14] <leftyfb> get a VPS with a modern kernel
[13:14] <deepSleep> ok
[13:15] <weedmic> How do I know if an icon theme requires some other icon theme to be installed first?  For example, I picked "crystal theme", but nothing changed on my desktop (although icons did change inside the application launcher).  All the other themes change dekstop icons, some not all of them
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> weedmic: some icon themes might not change all your icons to new ones
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> !themes | weedmic see also
[13:26] <weedmic> dank jullie voor dat
[13:35] <santosh> I don't see any audio input and output settings. How do I restore my system? I have already described my issue here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1464875/audio-settings-not-visible-in-kubuntu-disappeared-cant-listen-speak
[13:41] <santosh> Hello?
[13:41] <jhutchins> santosh: Sometimes you need to ad an audio mixer to the (taskbar).  There might be a mixer in the menu.
[13:42] <dostoyevsky2> Does ubuntu officially support arm?  I wonder how much work the ubuntu touch people have put into it, getting packages working on arm
[13:43] <jhutchins> !arm
[13:44] <santosh> jhutchins: 1. The sound sliders on the taskbar comes with stock ubuntu. I wonder how it vanished. 2. If you see the edit 3 of the link I posted, I still don't have any audio.
[13:45] <arraybolt3> dostoyevsky2: Yes, Ubuntu officially supports the ARM architecture. Note that many ARM-based computers use non-standardized system architectures, so it's usually harder to get an arbitrary ARM system to run than to get an arbitrary amd64 system to run.
[13:45] <arraybolt3> (The Raspberry Pi is, for example, an ARM based computer, and there are official Ubuntu images for it.)
[13:49] <santosh> jhutchins inside pulseaudio volume control, I can only see dummy output, no actual output device.
[13:49] <santosh> Could this be a problem with drivers?
[13:49] <karthy> is this your first time installing ubuntu?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> !who | karthy
[13:50] <dostoyevsky2> arraybolt3: But isn't it like: There are like 3 different ARM dialects and then you can have extensions on those.  So if you e.g. have a arm64 compiler you might be able to run code even on apple silicon, but you will not be able to use apple's extensions
[13:50] <karthy> they guy above me santosh
[13:50] <jhutchins> karthy: May I suggest that you just watch the channel for a bit, see how things go here?
[13:52] <karthy> i guess i gotta lurk
[13:54] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[13:55] <jhutchins> santosh: Have you tried the alsamixer?
[13:59] <santosh> jhutchins: yes, and here are the settings: https://i.imgur.com/hqv5H9h.png
[14:01] <santosh> jhutchins, I still don't hear any sound output + obs studio can't detect any activity in sound inputs
[14:02] <jhutchins> santosh: I don't really have any ideas, I run XFCE.
[14:02] <jhutchins> santosh: Do you get any output from the alsa test?
[14:03] <santosh> jhutchins, how to do an alsa test?
[14:03] <jhutchins> santosh: 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
[14:04] <jhutchins> The solution used to reliably be just purge pulseaudio, but that's no longer the case.
[14:08] <santosh> jhutchins, I was not in the audio group. I added, I am going to logout and log back in. Will get back to you after following those steps.
[14:48] <zibby15> What should I pay attention to when setting permanent ulimit in ubuntu?
[14:51] <Bacta> When does Ucuntu Masturbating Monkey get released?
[14:51] <leftyfb> !op | Bacta
[14:52] <Bacta> Some of those names look familiar from my Freenode days. Can they answer my question?
[14:53] <leftyfb> Bacta: leave
[14:53] <Bacta> Why?
[14:54] <leftyfb> trolling if offtopic here. Take it elsewhere
[14:54] <Bacta> I thought this was an LGBTQ+ safe space
[15:06] <RaimondRaj> please anyone help me what was the error on this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q8CqQj369N/
[15:09] <tekisui> hello
[15:10] <tekisui> how do i setup tearfree with xorg ?
[15:10] <tekisui> the nvidia server doesn´t work well
[15:10] <tekisui> lubuntu 18.04 was fine
[15:10] <jhutchins> RaimondRaj: Easiest fix is to remove/comment out ppa.launchpadcontent.net
[15:10] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj: looks like you have added a PPA that doesn't have support for your version of Ubuntu.
[15:11] <RaimondRaj> remove/comment out ppa.launchpadcontent.net || how do i
[15:15] <RaimondRaj> E: The repository 'https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable/ubuntu jammy Release' does not have a Release file.
[15:15] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj; sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable
[15:16] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj, then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[15:17] <tekisui> still a mess
[15:18] <tekisui> i tried: Section "Device"
[15:18] <tekisui>     Identifier "modesetting"
[15:18] <tekisui>     Driver "modesetting"
[15:18] <tekisui>     Option "TearFree" "True"
[15:18] <tekisui> EndSection
[15:18] <tekisui> in xorg.conf at etc/x11
[15:18] <leftyfb> !paste | tekisui
[15:23] <RaimondRaj> thanks alot jo-erlend
[15:23] <tekisui> hello ?
[15:23] <tekisui> sorry..
[15:23] <jo-erlend> RaimondRaj; you're welcome.
[15:23] <tekisui> am trying to fix tearfree
[15:24] <tekisui> 18.04 was fine
[15:30] <jhutchins> tekisui: What release are you on now?  What drivers is it using?  Are you running Xorg, or is it actually Wayland?  Is this the standard gnome desktop, or something else?
[15:31] <tekisui> lubuntu 20.04
[15:31] <tekisui> it says xorg
[15:31] <jhutchins> "tearfree" sounds like "nosmoke".  That would be a Windows binary...
[15:31] <tekisui> i used tearfree before, cause the video doesn´t seem right
[15:31] <tekisui> well not i got an nvidia graphic card
[15:31] <tekisui> now*
[15:32] <tekisui> but since the update i only get 800x600 screen size
[15:32] <tekisui> xorg seems to be good
[15:32] <tekisui> but the screen ¨laggs¨
[15:35] <tekisui> am going rabote
[15:35] <tekisui> cross fingers
[15:50] <militantorc> I found a thunar bug/"bug"
[15:52] <tekisui> well that broke it
[15:52] <leftyfb> !bug | militantorc
[15:54] <militantorc> I am not sure it even is a bug or not which is why I would like to talk about it here a bit first if you on't mind
[15:54] <militantorc> leftyfb
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> can you explain whats happening exactly militantorc
[15:55] <militantorc> yes, one minute please
[15:56] <militantorc> do touch 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; observe the sequence on thunar if you sort by modification
[15:56] <militantorc> then do  touch 7 5 3 4 1 2 6
[15:56] <militantorc> wait there is another aspect to it
[15:56] <militantorc> let me just test that out too
[15:57] <jo-erlend> militantorc, perhaps you should write it up on Reddit or something and post the link?
[15:57] <oerheks> or wait for #linux answers?
[15:57] <militantorc> in fact rm it all; touch 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; and see the thunar window; then rm ; touch 7 6 5 4 3 2 1; and see again
[15:57] <militantorc> both show same sequence in thunar
[15:58] <militantorc> viz the reverse alphabetic sequence
[15:58] <militantorc> when I had sort by descending time selected
[15:59] <militantorc> i even mixed up some letter name files
[15:59] <militantorc> same result
[15:59] <leftyfb> militantorc: what distro/version are you running?
[16:00] <militantorc> you can also see in one command: touch 1 d 2 b 3 c 4 a
[16:00] <militantorc> thunar 1.8.14 on xubuntu 20.04 lts
[16:01] <militantorc> same thing also happens on the older 18.04 machine
[16:01] <militantorc> let me just try another file manager and see
[16:01] <rfm> militantorc, if I do "touch 1 2 3 4" then "stat 1 2 3 4" I see the mtimes are equal down to the nanosecond (surprising, but there it is)
[16:01] <militantorc> yes but funny experiment again rfm
[16:01] <militantorc> do ls -t
[16:02] <militantorc> sorry
[16:02] <militantorc> ls -lt
[16:02] <militantorc> and then do ls -lt --full-time
[16:02] <militantorc> then do ls -t again
[16:02] <militantorc> you'll see something funny
[16:02] <leftyfb> !enter | militantorc
[16:02] <militantorc> ls -lt ; ls -lt --full-time ; ls -lt
[16:02] <militantorc> try this sequence next
[16:03] <rfm> militantorc, what do you see that's "funny"?
[16:04] <militantorc> so I think, the "bug" is that time resolution is too low so its just disambiguating with alphabetic order when timestamps feel equal within its resolution bounds?
[16:04] <militantorc> rfm, the higher resolution with ls --full-time -lt shows a different sequence sometimes
[16:04] <militantorc> and after its invocation
[16:04] <militantorc> even ls -lt shows the same (changed) sequence
[16:05] <militantorc> do you think, the "bug" is that time resolution is too low so its just disambiguating with alphabetic order when timestamps feel equal within its resolution bounds?
[16:05] <militantorc> when I manually insert 1s pauses it shows the correct sequence
[16:05] <militantorc> ie touch 1; sleep 1; touch 2; ...
[16:07] <militantorc> after I interleaved 1s pauses in between the individual touches
[16:07] <militantorc> it shows the correct sequence
[16:07] <oerheks> so, you pressed to fast?
[16:07] <oerheks> solved
[16:07] <militantorc> and to verify my theory. I did touch *; which again presses too fast; and it shows the alphabetic disambiguation again. just another test left.
[16:08] <militantorc> so I touched with sleeps and after that, again i even did touch different_non_alpha_sequence and it again shows alphabetic order.
[16:09] <militantorc> so basically my understanding is, when the timestamps are too close/equal
[16:09] <militantorc> thunar just disambiguates using alphabetic order
[16:09] <militantorc> tats it
[16:09] <militantorc> problem solved
[16:10] <militantorc> The lesson is that you should sleep enough after touching
[16:10] <militantorc> or use the manual timestamp option in touch command to set a sequence of ascending times in correct order
[16:11] <militantorc> rfm, I think I managed to find the root cause. Read my discussion above.
[16:11] <militantorc> Always sleep and touch
[16:11] <militantorc> or manually touch times
[16:43] <bahamat> What exactly is nodejs-mozilla, and how is it different from nodejs?
[16:48] <oerheks> nodejs-mozilla might use different implementations of JavaScript and may not support all of the features that Node.js uses for chrome
[16:48] <leftyfb> looks like it's not even available in the recent versions of ubuntu
[16:49] <bahamat> oerheks: Both packages say they use "Chrome's JavaScript runtime".
[16:50] <bahamat> leftyfb: Fine, but hopefully not terribly unobvious that i'm not using the latest.
[16:51] <bahamat> 18.04 is still a supported LTS, so you can't just expect people to always be running the latest of everything all the time.
[16:51] <leftyfb> bahamat: 18.04 will be End of Life in a month.
[16:51] <bahamat> But it's not *today*.
[16:52] <bahamat> I didn't say I'm using 18.04. But it is still supported.
[17:08] <greatgatsby> Hi.  On an ubuntu 22.04 system, the /var/lib/dpkg/lock file seems to always exist and is always empty regardless of whether or not there's a dpkg process.  How is that lock file supposed to work?
[17:09] <bahamat> if it exists, there's a running apt process.
[17:14] <greatgatsby> that's not the behavior I see on any of the 3 machines I've tested on:  https://bpa.st/5HA4G
[17:15] <leftyfb> greatgatsby: is something broken?
[17:17] <greatgatsby> I guess that's possible, but these are 3 completely unrelated machines
[17:19] <greatgatsby> so neither of you have that file currently, while there is no apt/dpkg process running?
[17:20] <greatgatsby> I'm surprised I could have an ARM device and 2 VMs all behaving the same, when that's not the correct behaviour, and they aren't on the same network on managed the same at all
[17:25] <leftyfb> greatgatsby: the empty file exists all the time from what I can tell
[17:25] <leftyfb> greatgatsby: I'm just curious why this matters though
[17:27] <greatgatsby> why what matters?  I'm trying to determine if apt/dpkg has a lock before rebooting a machine.  Was going to check the contents/existence of that file, but I can't seem to get any behaviour that indicates something actually has the dpkg lock
[17:34] <ravage> it is totally notmal for that empty file to exist
[17:40] <jhutchins> In linux flags are files?
[17:40] <paul424> Helllo, hello who could help , I need to configure my snapcrafy.yaml file to work properly on core20 -- focal ( Ubuntu 20.*). Problem is I keep getting errors of python library not found . How the development libraries are called under Ubuntu ?
[17:40] <paul424> libpython3.11-dev ?
[17:41] <leftyfb> paul424: maybe try asking in #snappy
[17:46] <greatgatsby> sorry, had to reboot/reconfig after my apt tests
[17:58] <tomreyn> greatgatsby: sudo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock    should tell whether there's a running dpkg process with a lock
[18:00] <ViatonWidz[m]> greatgatsby: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ Read the first question.
[18:01] <greatgatsby> tomreyn, ViatonWidz[m] - thanks a lot, this is great info
[18:05] <burger> hi I have snap installed and noticed its in my user path but not root is there a preferred way to correct this other than adding to PATH manually?
[18:13] <leftyfb> burger: what snap are you trying to run as root?
[18:13] <burger> nextcloud
[18:14] <leftyfb> burger: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-nextcloud-on-ubuntu-20-04
[18:15] <leftyfb> burger: you shouldn't need to manually run it as root
[18:15] <burger> leftyfb step 2 uses sudo
[18:16] <leftyfb> burger: ok, what error do you get when you run the command in step 2?
[18:16] <burger> sudo: nextcloud.manual-install: command not found
[18:17] <burger> when I run sudo env | grep ^PATH snap's paths are missing
[18:17] <leftyfb> reboot
[18:17] <burger> did
[18:18] <burger> will reboot again though
[18:18] <leftyfb> burger: https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap/issues/584#issuecomment-759202294
[18:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 584 in nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap "Nextcloud is not installed - only a limited number of commands are available" [Closed]
[18:20] <burger> thats a different issue. the commands are there I just cant run them as sudo because /snap isnt in $PATH
[18:21] <leftyfb> burger: did you try the command in the link I gave you?
[18:22] <burger> "nextcloud.manual-install sammy password" this one?
[18:22] <leftyfb> https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap/issues/584#issuecomment-759202294
[18:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 584 in nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap "Nextcloud is not installed - only a limited number of commands are available" [Closed]
[18:22] <burger> Try snap run nextcloud.manual-install ***** ********. Run this as root or append sudo .
[18:22] <leftyfb> correct, try that
[18:31] <burger> https://pastebin.com/gYhvRsDp leftyfb
[18:34] <leftyfb> burger: not sure why you're showing me a command that we both know won't work and hasn't been suggested
[18:34] <burger> I apologize I kept reading over "snap run"
[18:35]  * burger has a case of the pebcaks
[18:41] <burger> same issues persists
[18:41] <burger> appended sudo
[18:42] <leftyfb> prepend
[18:42] <leftyfb> not sure how you would append sudo to a command
[18:42] <burger> !! is prepend?
[18:43] <leftyfb> burger: snap run sudo nextcloud.manual-install
[18:43] <leftyfb> try that
[18:43] <leftyfb> burger: or: sudo snap run nextcloud.manual-install
[18:43] <burger> I got it ty leftyfb sorry for being a lil...challanged
[18:43] <leftyfb> well, you need to add the install commands at the end
[19:58] <Psil0[m]12> Is Gatsby back,
[19:58] <Psil0[m]12> I see you.
[20:00] <matrixy> kaboom!!!!!!!!!!
[20:00] <matrixy> :D
[20:03] <luna__> Hello to the "thank you for helping me" group.
[20:05] <matrixy> just trying to jump start the room... sorry
[20:06] <morgan-2204> What I would like is to demonstrate to "Specturm, the ISP" tht my internet speed or even availability is not consistent. First I have to see that for myself.  Is there an "app" that will do this for me?
[20:06] <morgan-2204> matrixy, np. You encouraged me to give a general thanks. I am really grateful for this channel.
[20:07] <matrixy> if your internet speed isnt consistent you could try to unplug both the router and modem for like 10 minutes
[20:09] <morgan-2204> PLUS my notifications for discord sit in the upper righthand corner and block things. Do I have a choice for location of the fleeting-too-fast-to-read banners, that come in waves?
[20:09] <matrixy> worked on my router anyways. i was trying just unplug like 20 seconds but i left it unplugged for a while then it started working again
[20:09] <matrixy> my router used to cut in and out
[20:10] <morgan-2204> Yes. did that, got a anew router. Tech reported hefound loose connections inside and ourside. -- matrixy I want to be sure that is what is happening.
[20:11] <morgan-2204> I am using mate which "used to announce disconnections. But that might have been in the gnome DE. I could switch Desktops.
[20:13] <matrixy> bad wires will cause inconsistency
[20:13] <morgan-2204> I waanted a strength meter. I have an iphone that lages only on the things that require internet - like clicking on a link. Not like "home swipe to see the homescreen/desktop on the phone.
[20:13] <morgan-2204> matrixy, yes, they did and supposedly al is good now.
[20:14] <matrixy> the tech support is probably right. they will have to redo your wiring
[20:14] <morgan-2204> after this conversation with you is done I will unplug both the modem and rounter and give it a  -- wow why 10 minutes?
[20:15] <morgan-2204> What happens after 2 minutes?
[20:15] <matrixy> idk just try it
[20:15] <morgan-2204> The tech support did not say they hae to redo my wiring. The tech who was physically here said he tightened up the connections.
[20:16] <morgan-2204> So you dont know what happens after 2 mins. Sure I will try it but I want to ask in #hardware first.
[20:17] <morgan-2204> Sorry, it is so important for me to be clear.
[20:18] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: in order to properly test your internet in a way that your ISP would accept as comparable to their tests is to plug a Windows laptop or desktop directly into the modem they supply. No router inbetween. There really aren't any tools in ubuntu that track these sorts of things other than maybe running speedtest periodically and outputting to a csv or database and graphing the data. But again, ISP's all run screaming when you mention linux.
[20:19] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: as for the time it takes to properly powercycle electronics, the extra time is to give capacitors enough time to discharge so there's no remaining electricity powering anything which could result in bad configs/data sticking around
[20:20] <matrixy> yeah capacitors discharge. they fill one plate with electricity then drain the other plate
[20:20] <matrixy> but they need time to discharge
[20:21] <matrixy> routers run old linux they probably get all buggy sometimes
[20:21] <matrixy> you can echo a file onto a router lol
[20:39] <morgan-2204> leftyfb, thanks.  on A and B.  THIS ubuntu installation or an update started showing a small popup "Your internet is disconnected" "Your internett is connected" (paraphrase)
[20:40] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: were you connected via wire or wireless?
[20:41] <morgan-2204> but in the lower left, while when I just unplugged, it showed up in the upper right.  (I am getting curiouser.)
[20:41] <morgan-2204> leftyfb, thanks.  on A and B.  THIS ubuntu installation or an update started showing a small popup "Your internet is disconnected" "Your internett is connected" (paraphrase)
[20:42] <leftyfb> morgan-2204: ok, so wired?
[21:00] <jo-erlend> leftyfb; I really want to get to know you.
[21:00] <leftyfb> jo-erlend: please don't
[21:02] <jo-erlend> leftyfb; If I have offended you by proxy, that is an even better reason for us to get to know each other.
[21:03] <leftyfb> jo-erlend: please stay on topic. This is a support channel. If you'd like to chat with people in the community, feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:51] <jo-erlend> whois lefty
[21:52] <jo-erlend> whois leftyfb
[22:40] <idmbe> in pro status show warning from days until now "The current kernel (5.19.0-40-generic, amd64) is not supported by livepatch." any one have it ?
[22:47] <Jeremy31> idmbe: Using Ubuntu 22.04?
[22:48] <idmbe> Jeremy31: Yes
[22:48] <Jeremy31> idmbe: You might want to switch back to the 5.15 kernels, there are instructions out there
[22:49] <sarnold> idmbe: I don't think any of the 5.19 kernels have livepatch support, look on https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/LSN-0094-1 for a list of kernels that have recently received livepatches
[22:54] <leftyfb> sarnold: interesting though. That's the HWE kernel for the latest LTS
[22:54] <ravage> sarnold: https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-livepatch-gets-even-better-now-supporting-hardware-enablement-kernels
[22:55] <leftyfb> I'm confused as to why it wouldn't have already been enabled for the latest LTS kernels
[22:55] <idmbe> i tried before back to 5.15 but it's not work for me, 5.19 much better until now
[22:55] <ravage> i dont think it is enabled for 5.19 yet
[22:56] <leftyfb> ravage: that's the concerning part. Why wouldn't they have livepatch enabled for their latest LTS?
[22:57] <ravage> maybe there was just no patch needed and they will enable it then? i dont know :)
[22:57] <adminrootuuid[m]> admin:///root/randomUUID/home/
[22:57] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: can we help you with something?
[22:58] <ravage> "You can then start using Livepatch on HWE kernels starting from version 6.2, which will first be released as an interim kernel with Lunar Lobster 23.04 in April 2023, and then made available as an HWE kernel on the 22.04 LTS release, Jammy Jellyfish, starting July 2023."
[22:58] <adminrootuuid[m]> Look at the Linux Kernel all the encryption is off and false positive
[22:59] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: huh?
[22:59] <adminrootuuid[m]> Yes
[23:00] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: what do you need help with?
[23:00] <adminrootuuid[m]> Install on HD and look at it from a LIve CD boot
[23:00] <ravage> so we have to wait until July to get our live patches :)
[23:00] <ravage> adminrootuuid[m]: you dont make any sense sorry.
[23:01] <adminrootuuid[m]> With the admin root still usable
[23:03] <adminrootuuid[m]> The Kurnel is substituting security protocols to off and making a false positive
[23:04] <adminrootuuid[m]> Every bite counts and 2 bites change is traceable
[23:04] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: feel free to file a bug with the linux kernel
[23:05] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.10/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.html
[23:05] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: good luck
[23:06] <adminrootuuid[m]> Hashing does not include metadata or dates , your /home/ is a secret UUID
[23:07] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: please stop
[23:07] <adminrootuuid[m]> Ya telling the truth sucks I know
[23:09] <ravage> there is a special social media site for your kind of truth. not here.
[23:10] <adminrootuuid[m]> Then prove me wrong
[23:10] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: file a bug
[23:11] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: this isn't the appropriate place to discuss your issues
[23:11] <adminrootuuid[m]> They have to know or there completely incompetent
[23:11] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: don't assume
[23:12] <adminrootuuid[m]> No it's assumeing that has caused this Fup in the first place,
[23:12] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: go report the bug with the kernel team
[23:13] <adminrootuuid[m]> Its not a bug it's full on spying 100%
[23:14] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: the linux kernel is open source. Go find the code that proves someone is "spying" and file a bug. If you find it, feel free to post it here. Good luck
[23:14] <adminrootuuid[m]> And every system is at risk and not encrypted and if u have the UUID you have full access
[23:15] <leftyfb> adminrootuuid[m]: good luck
[23:18] <towser> how do I disable the feature where it disables the touchpad when pressing keys on the keyboard perminantly? in Lubuntu
[23:35] <sarnold> towser: there's probably something like "disable while typing" in a mouse and keyboard control panel somewhere