| arraybolt3 | mmikowski: Quick question, have you ever tried using Kubuntu Focus Suite *without* using the Kubuntu Backports repo? I'm still having occasional Plasmashell and KWin crashes even with notifications disabled (though it's down to about once every few days, maybe less often), and I remember I didn't have this when running "pure" Kubuntu 22.04 and Ubuntu Studio 22.04 on other hardware. | 01:27 |
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| arraybolt3 | I'm wondering if there's some way to pinpoint what changed that might have caused the crashes to start. | 01:27 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: You could try. Just ppa-purge it. | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: Meh, that would require a reinstall, I have the experimental Backports repo enabled over here :P Running Plasma 5.27, no way am I gonna try and downgrade that. | 01:29 |
| arraybolt3 | I may have skill, but not that much. | 01:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Ohhh yeah, that'd make things sticky. | 01:29 |
| arraybolt3 | I might go ahead and reinstall raw Kubuntu and just add the KFocus tools on top though... | 01:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Or, ppa-purge the experimental, then the backports. | 01:30 |
| Eickmeyer | That's another option. | 01:31 |
| arraybolt3 | Does ppa-purge handle downgrades for you? | 01:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. | 01:31 |
| arraybolt3 | And on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it to cause utter mayhem? | 01:31 |
| arraybolt3 | (And a question for me, how much do I want to deal with utter mayhem... I might try it...) | 01:32 |
| Eickmeyer | 10 being the most mayehm possible, 3. | 01:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Basically, there are no guarantees in this world. | 01:32 |
| arraybolt3 | Well... I guess there's a time to learn everything. I'll have an ISO ready for worst case scenario. | 01:34 |
| mmikowski | Eickmeyer & arraybolt3: I have run ppa-purge on experimental before and it works. | 05:20 |
| mmikowski | arraybolt3: Do you have a way to recreate the crashes reliably? I'm not seeing them here, but IIRC, you had an app that ran notifications all the time. | 05:24 |
| mmikowski | IME, 5.27.4 has been at least as stable as 5.24.7. But I think that's probably down to the applications mix. | 05:24 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:29 |
| arraybolt3 | mmikowski: Yeah, I can reproduce them reliably. The app I have that triggers them is Element (Matrix chat client). | 12:58 |
| mmikowski | arraybolt3: I know it's crazy, but maybe switch chat clients? I use The Lounge and haven't had an issue. | 16:03 |
| mmikowski | arraybolt3: but like I mentioned, ppa-purge does work for experimental IME. That said, 5.27 improves so many other little things, you might miss it. | 16:03 |
| mmikowski | Discover, for example, is more stable. | 16:04 |
| mmikowski | It would be interesting to see if the behavior persists in 5.24.7 though. | 16:04 |
| mmikowski | I'm still a fan of getting 22.04 LTS on Plasma 5.27 for various reasons. | 16:05 |
| arraybolt3 | mmikowski: I don't think it's crazy :) The situation improved when I switched to Neochat, but it proved to be unstable for other reasons so I stopped using it. Really the only reason to be worried still is the other occasional crashes, but those are rare enough that they might just be a fluke. | 16:32 |
| mmikowski | arraybolt3I like "TheLounge". Eickmeyer turned me on to it, and I love it better than the solution we were using before! | 17:25 |
| mmikowski | arraybolt3 ^ | 17:26 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: For Matrix clients (since IRC != matrix), have you tried using the snap version of element? | 17:27 |
| mmikowski | arraybolt3: I have complete installation notes in Dynaorg, and can send you a copy if you want to try it; you can then have persistent connection and never miss a message. It does required an AWS or similar cloud instance (Linode, NextCloud, I expect) | 17:28 |
| mmikowski | Eickmeyer: Matric != IRC? Well, shows you how much I follow that sort of stuff. arraybolt3, if you're in luck, the notification part of the snap might be disabled :P | 17:29 |
| Eickmeyer | mmikowski: Yeah. Matrix is a protocol that *can* bridge with IRC but in itself is not IRC. | 17:29 |
| mmikowski | Thanks Eickmeyer. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | And, no, the notification part of the snap isn't disabled. Ken Van Dyne maintains the snap. | 17:31 |
| mmikowski | Separate topic: We are finalizing the ir14 launch. It's a sublime machine. https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-ir14. M2g5 comes next. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | I got the email. | 17:31 |
| mmikowski | hahah | 17:32 |
| mmikowski | Well the snap sounds like it certainly worth a try. | 17:32 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> sorry out of topic : can someone update the topic in irc channel? it still shown Kinetic Kudu on the topic .. | 17:36 |
| mmikowski | Eickmeyer + arraybolt3: Currently testing arraybolt3's power tool that no longer requires the KDE desktop. | 17:44 |
| mmikowski | You can pick it up at ppa:kubuntu-team/package-testing | 17:45 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> its for kfocus or kubuntu in general? | 17:48 |
| arraybolt3 | mmikowski: Oh nice! | 17:48 |
| Eickmeyer | @myfenris It's for kfocus, wouldn't work for kubuntu in general since it's hardware-specific. | 17:48 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: There's a Snap of Element? Had no clue. | 17:48 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: Browse snapcraft.io sometime. #TheMoreYouKnow | 17:48 |
| Eickmeyer | brb, my router is sad | 17:49 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> i saw the package details .. (re @IrcsomeBot: <Eickmeyer> @myfenris It's for kfocus, wouldn't work for kubuntu in general since it's hardware-specific.) | 17:49 |
| arraybolt3 | Huh. Nice. | 17:49 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> yeah .. im using it ... (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: There's a Snap of Element? Had no clue.) | 17:49 |
| arraybolt3 | Looks like he keeps it well-maintained too. | 17:49 |
| arraybolt3 | Now we just need a Snap of full-blown Google Chrome. | 17:49 |
| arraybolt3 | But I'll settle for the deb version until then. Or finally get out of Google-centric mode and just use Firefox or Chromium. | 17:50 |
| mmikowski | @myfenris: You can use some parts of kfocus-power, like the frequency selector which is dynamically calculated, and the kde power selector is also integrated. But the fan control is only on select kfocus models; others have fans in the BIOS. so really not much of a loss. | 17:51 |
| fenris[m]1 | would lov to see bard in chrome like bing in edge browser | 17:51 |
| mmikowski | @myfenris: We currently publish a full ISO with the kfocus tools preloaded, but we have plans to offer a lightweight script to add on top of any existing Kubuntu 22.04 LTS installation. | 17:52 |
| arraybolt3 | Gah, downloading Android SDK in the background, bad timing to try and install the Element snap :P | 17:53 |
| mmikowski | If you are interested, I could send you a beta. And if it doesn't work out for you, reverting should be a ppa-purge away. | 17:53 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> im on normal laptop to test the tools .. not sure it will help to contribute the outcome/feedback | 17:54 |
| mmikowski | myfenris: Oh, I wasn't thinking about contributing, just thought you'd might like to have the tools. No worries, if the mood strikes, just let me know. The tools can be found here: https://kfocus.org/wf/tools.html | 17:59 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/907a291b/file_65410_tgs.webp | 18:00 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> i wish can upgrade to M2 spec hware :) | 18:06 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> but now having 3840x2400 display on 13" ... 🙈 | 18:07 |
| mmikowski | @myfenris: Hmm, can't see the picture for some reason - I just see a tiny square. It might just be upload latency... | 18:10 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> 👍 <— (re @myfenris: ) | 18:12 |
| mmikowski | myfenris: I've got to get back to other stuff, but suffice to say the new m2 is insane. Approaching 20k on Geekbench 5 multi-core; 32 threads. That's up from 12800 on the prior gen. That's a 56% boost. The RTX-40 series is also insane, with the RTX4060 running very solid 20% bump over 3060; other stuff like Blender rendering is even better. | 18:16 |
| mmikowski | It was quite a challenge to get all sorted, but now it's looking great. | 18:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> indeed (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> myfenris: I've got to get back to other stuff, but suffice to say the new m2 is insane. Approaching 20k on Geekbench 5 multi-core; 32 threads. That's up from 12800 on the prior gen. That's a 56% boost. The RTX-40 series is also insane, with the RTX4060 running very solid 20% bump over 3060; other stuff like Blender rendering is even better.) | 18:17 |
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