[01:27] mmikowski: Quick question, have you ever tried using Kubuntu Focus Suite *without* using the Kubuntu Backports repo? I'm still having occasional Plasmashell and KWin crashes even with notifications disabled (though it's down to about once every few days, maybe less often), and I remember I didn't have this when running "pure" Kubuntu 22.04 and Ubuntu Studio 22.04 on other hardware. [01:27] I'm wondering if there's some way to pinpoint what changed that might have caused the crashes to start. [01:28] arraybolt3: You could try. Just ppa-purge it. [01:29] Eickmeyer: Meh, that would require a reinstall, I have the experimental Backports repo enabled over here :P Running Plasma 5.27, no way am I gonna try and downgrade that. [01:29] I may have skill, but not that much. [01:29] Ohhh yeah, that'd make things sticky. [01:30] I might go ahead and reinstall raw Kubuntu and just add the KFocus tools on top though... [01:30] Or, ppa-purge the experimental, then the backports. [01:31] That's another option. [01:31] Does ppa-purge handle downgrades for you? [01:31] Yep. [01:31] And on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it to cause utter mayhem? [01:32] (And a question for me, how much do I want to deal with utter mayhem... I might try it...) [01:32] 10 being the most mayehm possible, 3. [01:32] Basically, there are no guarantees in this world. [01:34] Well... I guess there's a time to learn everything. I'll have an ISO ready for worst case scenario. [05:20] Eickmeyer & arraybolt3: I have run ppa-purge on experimental before and it works. [05:24] arraybolt3: Do you have a way to recreate the crashes reliably? I'm not seeing them here, but IIRC, you had an app that ran notifications all the time. [05:24] IME, 5.27.4 has been at least as stable as 5.24.7. But I think that's probably down to the applications mix. [12:29] Hi all [12:58] mmikowski: Yeah, I can reproduce them reliably. The app I have that triggers them is Element (Matrix chat client). [16:03] arraybolt3: I know it's crazy, but maybe switch chat clients? I use The Lounge and haven't had an issue. [16:03] arraybolt3: but like I mentioned, ppa-purge does work for experimental IME. That said, 5.27 improves so many other little things, you might miss it. [16:04] Discover, for example, is more stable. [16:04] It would be interesting to see if the behavior persists in 5.24.7 though. [16:05] I'm still a fan of getting 22.04 LTS on Plasma 5.27 for various reasons. [16:32] mmikowski: I don't think it's crazy :) The situation improved when I switched to Neochat, but it proved to be unstable for other reasons so I stopped using it. Really the only reason to be worried still is the other occasional crashes, but those are rare enough that they might just be a fluke. [17:25] arraybolt3I like "TheLounge". Eickmeyer turned me on to it, and I love it better than the solution we were using before! [17:26] arraybolt3 ^ [17:27] arraybolt3: For Matrix clients (since IRC != matrix), have you tried using the snap version of element? [17:28] arraybolt3: I have complete installation notes in Dynaorg, and can send you a copy if you want to try it; you can then have persistent connection and never miss a message. It does required an AWS or similar cloud instance (Linode, NextCloud, I expect) [17:29] Eickmeyer: Matric != IRC? Well, shows you how much I follow that sort of stuff. arraybolt3, if you're in luck, the notification part of the snap might be disabled :P [17:29] mmikowski: Yeah. Matrix is a protocol that *can* bridge with IRC but in itself is not IRC. [17:31] Thanks Eickmeyer. [17:31] And, no, the notification part of the snap isn't disabled. Ken Van Dyne maintains the snap. [17:31] Separate topic: We are finalizing the ir14 launch. It's a sublime machine. https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-ir14. M2g5 comes next. [17:31] I got the email. [17:32] hahah [17:32] Well the snap sounds like it certainly worth a try. [17:36] sorry out of topic : can someone update the topic in irc channel? it still shown Kinetic Kudu on the topic .. [17:44] Eickmeyer + arraybolt3: Currently testing arraybolt3's power tool that no longer requires the KDE desktop. [17:45] You can pick it up at ppa:kubuntu-team/package-testing [17:48] its for kfocus or kubuntu in general? [17:48] mmikowski: Oh nice! [17:48] @myfenris It's for kfocus, wouldn't work for kubuntu in general since it's hardware-specific. [17:48] Eickmeyer: There's a Snap of Element? Had no clue. [17:48] arraybolt3: Browse snapcraft.io sometime. #TheMoreYouKnow [17:49] brb, my router is sad [17:49] i saw the package details .. (re @IrcsomeBot: @myfenris It's for kfocus, wouldn't work for kubuntu in general since it's hardware-specific.) [17:49] Huh. Nice. [17:49] yeah .. im using it ... (re @IrcsomeBot: Eickmeyer: There's a Snap of Element? Had no clue.) [17:49] Looks like he keeps it well-maintained too. [17:49] Now we just need a Snap of full-blown Google Chrome. [17:50] But I'll settle for the deb version until then. Or finally get out of Google-centric mode and just use Firefox or Chromium. [17:51] @myfenris: You can use some parts of kfocus-power, like the frequency selector which is dynamically calculated, and the kde power selector is also integrated. But the fan control is only on select kfocus models; others have fans in the BIOS. so really not much of a loss. [17:51] would lov to see bard in chrome like bing in edge browser [17:52] @myfenris: We currently publish a full ISO with the kfocus tools preloaded, but we have plans to offer a lightweight script to add on top of any existing Kubuntu 22.04 LTS installation. [17:53] Gah, downloading Android SDK in the background, bad timing to try and install the Element snap :P [17:53] If you are interested, I could send you a beta. And if it doesn't work out for you, reverting should be a ppa-purge away. [17:54] im on normal laptop to test the tools .. not sure it will help to contribute the outcome/feedback [17:59] myfenris: Oh, I wasn't thinking about contributing, just thought you'd might like to have the tools. No worries, if the mood strikes, just let me know. The tools can be found here: https://kfocus.org/wf/tools.html [18:00] https://irc-attachments.kde.org/907a291b/file_65410_tgs.webp [18:06] i wish can upgrade to M2 spec hware :) [18:07] but now having 3840x2400 display on 13" ... 🙈 [18:10] @myfenris: Hmm, can't see the picture for some reason - I just see a tiny square. It might just be upload latency... [18:12] 👍 <— (re @myfenris: ) [18:16] myfenris: I've got to get back to other stuff, but suffice to say the new m2 is insane. Approaching 20k on Geekbench 5 multi-core; 32 threads. That's up from 12800 on the prior gen. That's a 56% boost. The RTX-40 series is also insane, with the RTX4060 running very solid 20% bump over 3060; other stuff like Blender rendering is even better. [18:17] It was quite a challenge to get all sorted, but now it's looking great. [18:17] indeed (re @IrcsomeBot: myfenris: I've got to get back to other stuff, but suffice to say the new m2 is insane. Approaching 20k on Geekbench 5 multi-core; 32 threads. That's up from 12800 on the prior gen. That's a 56% boost. The RTX-40 series is also insane, with the RTX4060 running very solid 20% bump over 3060; other stuff like Blender rendering is even better.)