[01:27] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Quick question, have you ever tried using Kubuntu Focus Suite *without* using the Kubuntu Backports repo? I'm still having occasional Plasmashell and KWin crashes even with notifications disabled (though it's down to about once every few days, maybe less often), and I remember I didn't have this when running "pure" Kubuntu 22.04 and Ubuntu Studio 22.04 on other hardware.
[01:27] <arraybolt3> I'm wondering if there's some way to pinpoint what changed that might have caused the crashes to start.
[01:28] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: You could try. Just ppa-purge it.
[01:29] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Meh, that would require a reinstall, I have the experimental Backports repo enabled over here :P Running Plasma 5.27, no way am I gonna try and downgrade that.
[01:29] <arraybolt3> I may have skill, but not that much.
[01:29] <Eickmeyer> Ohhh yeah, that'd make things sticky.
[01:30] <arraybolt3> I might go ahead and reinstall raw Kubuntu and just add the KFocus tools on top though...
[01:30] <Eickmeyer> Or, ppa-purge the experimental, then the backports.
[01:31] <Eickmeyer> That's another option.
[01:31] <arraybolt3> Does ppa-purge handle downgrades for you?
[01:31] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[01:31] <arraybolt3> And on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it to cause utter mayhem?
[01:32] <arraybolt3> (And a question for me, how much do I want to deal with utter mayhem... I might try it...)
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> 10 being the most mayehm possible, 3.
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> Basically, there are no guarantees in this world.
[01:34] <arraybolt3> Well... I guess there's a time to learn everything. I'll have an ISO ready for worst case scenario.
[05:20] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer & arraybolt3: I have run ppa-purge on experimental before and it works.
[05:24] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: Do you have a way to recreate the crashes reliably? I'm not seeing them here, but IIRC, you had an app that ran notifications all the time.
[05:24] <mmikowski> IME, 5.27.4 has been at least as stable as 5.24.7. But I think that's probably down to the applications mix.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:58] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Yeah, I can reproduce them reliably. The app I have that triggers them is Element (Matrix chat client).
[16:03] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: I know it's crazy, but maybe switch chat clients? I use The Lounge and haven't had an issue.
[16:03] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: but like I mentioned, ppa-purge does work for experimental IME. That said, 5.27 improves so many other little things, you might miss it.
[16:04] <mmikowski> Discover, for example, is more stable.
[16:04] <mmikowski> It would be interesting to see if the behavior persists in 5.24.7 though.
[16:05] <mmikowski> I'm still a fan of getting 22.04 LTS on Plasma 5.27 for various reasons.
[16:32] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: I don't think it's crazy :) The situation improved when I switched to Neochat, but it proved to be unstable for other reasons so I stopped using it. Really the only reason to be worried still is the other occasional crashes, but those are rare enough that they might just be a fluke.
[17:25] <mmikowski> arraybolt3I like "TheLounge". Eickmeyer turned me on to it, and I love it better than the solution we were using before!
[17:26] <mmikowski> arraybolt3 ^
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: For Matrix clients (since IRC != matrix), have you tried using the snap version of element?
[17:28] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: I have complete installation notes in Dynaorg, and can send you a copy if you want to try it; you can then have persistent connection and never miss a message. It does required an AWS or similar cloud instance (Linode, NextCloud, I expect)
[17:29] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: Matric != IRC? Well, shows you how much I follow that sort of stuff. arraybolt3, if you're in luck, the notification part of the snap might be disabled :P
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: Yeah. Matrix is a protocol that *can* bridge with IRC but in itself is not IRC.
[17:31] <mmikowski> Thanks Eickmeyer.
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> And, no, the notification part of the snap isn't disabled. Ken Van Dyne maintains the snap.
[17:31] <mmikowski> Separate topic: We are finalizing the ir14 launch. It's a sublime machine. https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-ir14. M2g5 comes next.
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> I got the email.
[17:32] <mmikowski> hahah
[17:32] <mmikowski> Well the snap sounds like it certainly worth a try.
 sorry out of topic : can someone update the topic in irc channel? it still shown Kinetic Kudu on the topic ..
[17:44] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer + arraybolt3: Currently testing arraybolt3's power tool that no longer requires the KDE desktop.
[17:45] <mmikowski> You can pick it up at ppa:kubuntu-team/package-testing
 its for kfocus or kubuntu in general?
[17:48] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Oh nice!
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> @myfenris It's for kfocus, wouldn't work for kubuntu in general since it's hardware-specific.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: There's a Snap of Element? Had no clue.
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Browse snapcraft.io sometime. #TheMoreYouKnow
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> brb, my router is sad
 i saw the package details .. (re @IrcsomeBot: <Eickmeyer> @myfenris It's for kfocus, wouldn't work for kubuntu in general since it's hardware-specific.)
[17:49] <arraybolt3> Huh. Nice.
 yeah .. im using it ... (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: There's a Snap of Element? Had no clue.)
[17:49] <arraybolt3> Looks like he keeps it well-maintained too.
[17:49] <arraybolt3> Now we just need a Snap of full-blown Google Chrome.
[17:50] <arraybolt3> But I'll settle for the deb version until then. Or finally get out of Google-centric mode and just use Firefox or Chromium.
[17:51] <mmikowski> @myfenris: You can use some parts of kfocus-power, like the frequency selector which is dynamically calculated, and the kde power selector is also integrated. But the fan control is only on select kfocus models; others have fans in the BIOS. so really not much of a loss.
[17:51] <fenris[m]1> would lov to see bard in chrome like bing in edge browser
[17:52] <mmikowski> @myfenris: We currently publish a full ISO with the kfocus tools preloaded, but we have plans to offer a lightweight script to add on top of any existing Kubuntu 22.04 LTS installation.
[17:53] <arraybolt3> Gah, downloading Android SDK in the background, bad timing to try and install the Element snap :P
[17:53] <mmikowski> If you are interested, I could send you a beta. And if it doesn't work out for you, reverting should be a ppa-purge away.
 im on normal laptop to test the tools .. not sure it will help to contribute the outcome/feedback
[17:59] <mmikowski> myfenris: Oh, I wasn't thinking about contributing, just thought you'd might like to have the tools. No worries, if the mood strikes, just let me know. The tools can be found here: https://kfocus.org/wf/tools.html
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/907a291b/file_65410_tgs.webp
 i wish can upgrade to M2 spec hware :)
 but now having 3840x2400 display on 13" ... 🙈
[18:10] <mmikowski> @myfenris: Hmm, can't see the picture for some reason - I just see a tiny square. It might just be upload latency...
 👍 <— (re @myfenris: )
[18:16] <mmikowski> myfenris: I've got to get back to other stuff, but suffice to say the new m2 is insane. Approaching 20k on Geekbench 5 multi-core; 32 threads. That's up from 12800 on the prior gen. That's a 56% boost. The RTX-40 series is also insane, with the RTX4060 running very solid 20% bump over 3060; other stuff like Blender rendering is even better.
[18:17] <mmikowski> It was quite a challenge to get all sorted, but now it's looking great.
 indeed (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> myfenris: I've got to get back to other stuff, but suffice to say the new m2 is insane. Approaching 20k on Geekbench 5 multi-core; 32 threads. That's up from 12800 on the prior gen. That's a 56% boost. The RTX-40 series is also insane, with the RTX4060 running very solid 20% bump over 3060; other stuff like Blender rendering is even better.)