[00:00] yes-linux: 'reorganizing' the files in the filesystem probably meant renaming the names in the directory listings -- the processes doing the copying had a file open, and was writing into the file, but it doesn't actually care about the filename [00:01] yes-linux: if you had tried to move the file across filesystem boundaries, it would have been a gigantic mess, exactly as you expected :) [00:02] yes-linux: 'moving' a file across filesystem boundaries is actually a copy and remove, behind the scenes.. but moving a file within a filesystem is just editing two directories, moving just the names [00:02] sarnold: indeed, interesting creatures! :) Thanks for explaining! [00:07] Anyone hear have any contacts at Ubuntu in the blog section? I wanted to read https://canonical.com/blog/no-more-dhcpd but it comes up blank for me. [00:10] pedahzur: thanks [00:12] sarnold: Sure thing. I was really curious what dhcpd was going to be replaced with. I know it's been EOL'ed. :) [00:13] is that ISC's dhcpd ? [00:13] When did that hit EOL? [00:13] I am about to try Ubuntu 23.04 via a live USB. is dd if=/isoFile of=/dev/sdb the same as writing the iso via the USB startup Disk creator? [00:14] https://www.isc.org/dhcp/ holy crap. [00:14] https://www.isc.org/kea/ there's the replacement [00:16] bougyman: Yeah, Kea is the ISC's replacement. But it has lots of non-open-source plugins, so I was curious how the transition was going to go. It's not a drop-in replacement. === sig is now known as bebop [00:48] Hello, Can someone help me with a bash one liner? [00:48] I can try! [00:48] while true;do date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n";sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature"|tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log;sleep 1;done [00:48] And you want that to do what? [00:49] I'm guessing you're trying to put a date followed by sensor information into a log. [00:49] the problem I have is that the time and date part are not being added to the cpu-temp.log file [00:49] yes. I do get the temperature into the log file just fine, but not the date. [00:49] I'm doing the tee part wrong somehow [00:49] OK, one sec, I see why it's not doing it and just need to figure out how to get the other stuff in too. [00:50] while true;do echo $(date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n") $(sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature")|tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log;sleep 1;done [00:51] gnarlin: I think leftyfb's thing will work. [00:51] I was going to assign the two pieces of info to variables and then tee them separately, but that looks cleaner. [00:51] leftyfb: Thank you SO much. That worked. So, my problem was that I wasn't seperating the two parts well enough [00:52] gnarlin: Basically, the first part was just printing the info to the terminal, and it wasn't reaching the tee command. [00:52] Just like how "echo abc echo def | tee whatever " will only get "def" into the output file. [00:52] (Where is a literal Enter keypress.) [00:53] Whereas leftyfb's solution uses two subshells to generate strings, gives them *both* to "echo", and then pipes that into "tee". [00:53] Works perfectly. Thank you so much. [00:54] if it were me, I'd have used a simple subshell: while true ; do (date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n";sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature") ; sleep 1 ; done | tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log [00:54] that'll also work [00:54] Anyway, I just proved to myself that my waterpump is stopping intermittently and I need to replace my cooling. [00:55] sarnold: Won't that only ever actually print the data once the loop stops? Which is won't ever stop? [00:55] I caught the bastard hot red handed, so to speak. Rosen suddenly to 100˚C [00:55] Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding how some of that stuff works. [00:55] arraybolt3: well, okay, I only tested toys, not that, but it probably does what I expect :) [00:57] lets see if this url (a) fits on one line (b) actually explains anything? :) [00:57] https://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=while+true+%3B+do+%28date+%22%2B%25d%2F%25m%2F%25y+%25H%3A%25M+%22%7Ctr+-d+%22%5Cn%22%3Bsensors%7Cgrep+-i+%22cpu+temperature%22%29+%3B+sleep+1+%3B+done+%7C+tee+-a+%7E%2FDocuments%2Fcpu-temp.log [00:57] It explains to me that URL encoding is horrible. [00:57] yes, yes it does [00:57] Btw, do any of you know where Psensor actually logs? I couldn't figure out where the hell the actual log files are. I check .psensor and .config/psensor. Found nothing [00:58] gnarlin: is it a service? [00:58] "A Graphical Temperature Monitoring Application" .. I'm not sure I'd expect it to actually have logs [00:58] gnarlin: As a sidenote, we generally avoid strong language in this channel. :) [00:59] Oh, sorry [00:59] I wish I knew, but I usually just use KDE's System Monitor so I'e never used psensor. [01:00] There seems to be a darth of good GUI temp monitoring software like Librehardwaremonitor, which is ironically Free software, but only for Microsoft Windows. [01:01] lol, well hey, Windows needs one too :) [01:02] I tried making Librehardwaremonitor run via mono (since it's written in c$, but no luck. [01:08] gnarlin: What DE are you using? [01:08] If you're on KDE, the built-in System Monitor is *really* flexible. [01:09] Just plain 'ol Gnome [01:09] Oh well. [01:09] is it possible to install just the KDE system monitor without installing the kitchen sync? [01:09] sink [01:10] if there was a flatpak or snap with just that, that would be greeeeeat. [01:10] Possibly. [01:10] Eh, I don't see it in the Snap store sadly. [01:10] https://i.imgur.com/qbblqYg.png [01:11] ^ super fancy temp graph [01:11] can it log temps to file/files? [01:11] it looks like the sort of thing that'd be on a typical startup .io domain website [01:11] Hmm, I don't see that functionality. [01:12] sarnold: lol [01:12] it's funny to me that the actual useful bits of it, '29.9', '37.0', etc, are *so small*, and there's no history information, which feels like the whole point of having a gui :) [01:12] Oh you can change that :D [01:12] The whole point of having a GUI is to get graphical context for the data. Seems.... not good [01:12] and especially especially if you can't log it [01:12] https://i.imgur.com/MNO1mzx.png [01:12] that's much better [01:13] I liked the first one though :P [01:13] arraybolt3: there we go, finally a reason for a gui :) [01:13] oh sure it's pretty [01:13] I'm just not sure it conveys anything :) [01:13] but no logging though :-/ [01:13] seems odd to leave out when implementing it should be so easy [01:13] also, the Gnome system monitor is.... very simplistic. No temperatures for cpu or gpu or gpu usage stats [01:14] Agreed. But that's all of GNOME in my opinion. [01:14] The only thing I don't like about KDE is that it is, in my experience, less stable than other DEs. [01:14] Honestly, Gnome+plugins is doing it for me except for the System Monitor. [01:14] For instance Plasma and KWin have a tendency to crash every so often for me and I have to restart them. [01:17] hmm, I wonder why I can't find sensord around anywhere [01:18] sarnold: Ugh, that explainshell website has a fork bomb as the first example code snippet >_< [01:18] * Drop the sensord package, it is not really maintained upstream, and [01:18] the RRD part has some issues (closes: #244037, #469096, #790796). [01:18] And the explanation doesn't tell you "running this will force you to reboot" [01:18] .... ohhhhhh [01:18] arraybolt3: d'oh [01:18] (and cripple your machine until you do) [01:19] Doesn't Cactus depend on that Sensord for RRD? [01:20] this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacti_(software) [01:20] yeah it's entirely possible they might only have sensor data via sensord, [01:20] yup. I used to use it all the time years ago at my previous job. Served me well === GrayGhost is now known as mhc === mhc is now known as GrayGhost [04:28] hi [04:37] moin [04:38] morning [04:38] GUYS I INSTALLED UBUNTU IN A VM [04:38] what do I win? [04:41] that you can kill it, without to distupe the main OS. And you can run a other OS on the maschine. \o/ [04:42] How do I enable Multipass? [04:48] some Docu for you: https://multipass.run/docs/linux-tutorial [04:56] ok so I can connect to bluetooth devices but after a fresh install of 23.04 tonight, bluetooth audio no longer works [04:56] note it worked fine in 22.10 [04:57] its an intel bluetooth/wifi6e adapter [04:57] very linux friendly [04:57] any help would be greatly appreciated [05:05] rabbitnightmare: try to type this in terminal sudo drivers autoinstall [05:06] command not found [05:07] rabbitnightmare: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall . [05:08] all the drivers are already installed [05:13] rabbitnightmare: go to additional drivers from menu down left in corner .. do you see your device there [05:14] its an intel card friend [05:14] the drivers are kernel based [05:14] its not the card [05:14] works in 22.10 [05:14] tested using the iso [05:14] worked for the 6 months I had it installed [05:15] I mean I can go back to 22.10 but it is an issue [05:15] also steam is failing to load [05:16] have you look into the 'alsamixer'? If the device correct configured? [05:16] 23.04 is SO buggy [05:16] boser I never had to do that before [05:16] it always just worked [05:17] I am telling yall that 23.04 has a LOT of problems [05:17] idk if its gnome 44 causing them or what but I feel like this release was rushed [05:18] I try to log into google for gnome and I cant click the email input to type [05:18] so many little glitches [05:19] I wouldn't even call this a beta release [05:19] good lord, the quality of Ubuntu has fallen off [05:20] rabbitnightmare: almost this issue come form upgrade os not from fresh install [05:20] it is a fresh install [05:20] I never do in place upgrades [05:21] it's laptop or pc ? [05:21] desktop pc with intel hardware [05:21] core i5 13600k, intel wifi [05:21] intel bt [05:22] it is as basic as they come [05:22] I booted fedora on the system and bluetooth audio worked out of the box with gnome 44 [05:22] with their latest iso [05:22] so the issue is Ubuntu 23.04 [05:23] yeah I rebooted back to 23.04 and tried to pair the headphones again, and no dice [05:24] it connects [05:24] but no audi [05:24] o [05:24] I load steam from the snap store and when I try to open the login screen, its just blank with nowhere to click [05:24] I try to login to gnome with my google account and the window that pops up wont let me type into the email box [05:25] whatever under the hood things yall did with this release broke a TON of things [05:26] I mean did you not even bother to test it? [05:27] i recommend for you 22.04 LTS if you have all that a lot of issues with 23.04 [05:28] well I mean sure but why even release an OS every 6 months if its going to be broken like this? seems like a monumental waste of human resources [05:29] that dev time could be better spent on making applications and services people and businesses would pay for [05:30] rabbitnightmare: where did you get this misinformation from? the science is settled on 23.04 working just fine [05:30] Yes, that a point of view [05:30] dsc_ if it were working fine I would not be facing the issues I am having [05:30] I even redownloaded the iso and made it with a different usb stick and reinstalled it twice now [05:30] rabbitnightmare: have you tried the steam executable directly from Valve? [05:31] the one in the snap store is the executable from valve, packaged as a snap [05:31] is that a 'no' ? [05:31] I think you are just trolling because the one from valve is the same version as the snap one [05:32] and I never had this issue before [05:33] consider reporting a bug to the people doing efforts related to snap here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/steam-call-for-testing/34575 [05:34] or install the original executable directly [05:38] same issue [05:38] rofl [05:38] the UI is having a ton of issues [05:38] when I go to open certain applications I can't interact with them at all [05:40] and others seem fine [05:40] you are going to need to describe your exact issue in an effective manner [05:42] someone needs ai to understand rabbitnightmare; i think "after upgrade to 23.04 i can't click email input to type in google [chrome? (what web browser are you using?)]" [05:42] after upgrade and after fresh install [05:42] can you tell me what is your hardware and whether it works if you create a new OS user to test it [05:42] oh fresh install - ignore the bit about new user, that's already a new user [05:42] intel core i5 13600k, msi pro z690a ddr4 wifi [05:42] 512gb nvme ssd [05:42] ram? [05:43] 24gb [05:43] 48gb [05:43] ratger [05:43] this is amazing, it should just work [05:43] 48gb rather [05:43] you would think [05:43] you log in, open only one browser window - click gmail.com - start typing your email and it freezes or does what? [05:43] intel igp graphics [05:44] so I login to the first start thing that pops up on a fresh intall [05:44] it says "log into accounts" and I click google [05:44] the email window pops up and I cant click it [05:44] I type and nothing happens [05:45] I go into settings>accounts [05:45] I click google [05:45] same thing [05:45] I cant interact with the window that pops up [05:46] I mean I can scroll but clicking it does nothing and I cant even click forgot email [05:46] the other accounts work but google is broken [05:47] can you please install 'kazam' and record screen showing how it happens, i'm just struggling to imagine it properly [05:47] I go to open a video in gnome videos and I cant click any of the controls [05:47] still thinking what to do [05:47] could load without graphics - with nomodeset [05:47] !nomodeset [05:47] Systems with certain graphics chipsets may not boot properly out of the box. "Temporarily Add a Kernel Boot Parameter for Testing" as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters to add the "nomodeset" parameter there. [05:48] its intel igp [05:48] roflmao [05:48] unreal [05:48] what [05:48] everything about this system is linux friendly [05:48] it is a debug procedure. it doesn't mean you need to put your graphics card in a bin [05:48] maybe there is a bug in the graphics driver [05:48] theres no card [05:48] just the cpu [05:49] rabbitnightmare: there is a GPU inside the CPU ;) [05:49] and for some reason the folder icon disappeared from my dock randomly [05:49] I have no clue where it went [05:49] you may ned to resolve one problem at a time [05:50] imma resolve this real fast by going back to 22.10 [05:50] but yall need to be made aware that there are a boat load of issues [05:50] that is fine, although i'd suggest to file a bug and detail your hardware in it and attach a screencast from kazam [05:50] kazam is very user friendly and it'd save others the trouble of understanding what the issue is like from a text description [05:51] I will [05:51] not trolling friend at all, and I get that its early for gnome 44 [05:51] im surprised it was released with 23.04 [05:51] seems a bit hasty [05:52] I would have waited until 22.10 for gnome 44.x to ensure everything was smooth [05:52] or 23.04.1 or something [05:57] yeah for the life of me I cant open any folders [05:57] I double click a folder and it brings up disk usage analyzer [05:57] wtf? [05:58] even when clicking the home icon on the desktop [05:58] rabbitnightmare: you mentioned upgade and fresh install [05:58] I am soooooooooo confused [05:58] rabbitnightmare: did you do both from the same .iso file? [05:58] this is a fresh install and I did NOTHING to it [05:58] no different iso I downloaded it [05:58] rabbitnightmare: did you download the .iso twice or once? [05:59] I only downloaded the iso when I noticed issues thinking it was the upgrade I had done [05:59] rabbitnightmare: thanks for the clarifications, i'm still thinking of possible causes. looks like a corrupted install. does the same happen in live cd? maybe your hard drive (ssd) is bugged [05:59] only to find out that post install its facing a lot of the same issues [05:59] and then some [05:59] rabbitnightmare: do you have two copies of the .iso or only one? [06:00] I have the thumb drive I created to do the fresh install [06:01] rofl [06:01] this is the buggiest release I have seen in almost a decade [06:01] rabbitnightmare: and upgrade was done without .iso, so it was done through the package manager, correct? [06:01] rabbitnightmare: can you try to boot from that usb into a live cd and test for the issue there please? [06:01] yes, I used the upgrader thing in ubuntu [06:02] it was having issues [06:02] rabbitnightmare: and check the md5sum of the .iso when you get a chance [06:02] so I downloaded an iso and used startup disk creator to make it [06:02] formatted the drive [06:03] the funniest thing I have seen is gnome folders removing itself from the pc [06:03] like it straight up disappeared [06:04] rabbitnightmare: my suggestion right now is to attempt a live usb; failing that, re-download the .iso, check its hash sum, and try the live usb again; if both of these fail, take a video with your camera (smartphone, ask a friend, whatever) and send in a bug report [06:04] I dont understand how this made it out the door in the condition its in [06:04] I cant even use startup disk creator to find the iso [06:05] rabbitnightmare: it isn't necessarily an issue with the OS - could be with your .iso downloaded or with the hardware - please help by trying to troubleshoot it [06:05] I am downloading now and cracking open a brand new never before used usb drive [06:06] thanks heaps [06:07] thankfully this laptop is older and I dont need kernel 6.2 for it so I keep it on LTS [06:08] I wish sandisk would stop putting bloatware on their drives [06:08] I am like "why is there data on the drive?!?" oh sandisk backup === bad_1 is now known as badbodh [06:10] this chat any good for xubuntu support? [06:10] depends [06:11] well i finally made the swap to Linux... [06:11] it only took 30 years [06:11] is the software centre defunct? [06:11] whats the issue you are facing [06:11] no? [06:12] cant seem to download ANY programs.. [06:13] 23.04? [06:13] by chance? [06:14] im on an old 32 bit device...so had to get an old version linux [06:15] 32 bit support for Ubuntu was removed [06:15] awesome. [06:15] iirc it was back in 2019 [06:15] its not critical. was just curious. [06:15] all good === Guillermo_ is now known as WindowsHater99 [06:16] there are other distros that have 32 bit support but I think you will find moving forward that you wont be able to use i386 as its being phased out from the kernel [06:17] i thought so, I just managed to get an old toughbook for cheap so I thought id give it a go. [06:17] there will always be specialty builds and such but its such old hardware [06:17] there hasn't been a 32 bit x86 chip made since 2003 [06:18] that was 20 years ago [06:18] that feels like yesterday [06:18] have a Panasonic cf18 if that tells you anything. [06:18] install windows 98 or dos on it for old gaming [06:19] make a yt video about it there is an audience for it [06:19] ok I need to go test this new usb [06:19] thx [06:20] I will be back tomorrow [06:20] im in southern hemisphere [06:20] appreciate the help [06:20] there seems to be this sudden influx of people from south america [06:20] oh he left [06:21] im more impartial to seeing Kangaroos where I am.\ === propus_ is now known as propus === Bocaneri is now known as Guest5440 [06:50] ok wow so um I was able to recreate the issue [06:51] brt you here? [06:51] if you install fuse, it removes gnome folders!!!!!!!!!!!!! [06:51] fuse is necessary to run appimages [06:51] this is a MASSIVE oversight [06:52] why the hell does fuse remove shit from my install?!? [06:53] so I can safely tell you without a shadow of a doubt that you DID NOT test 23.04 [06:53] !language | rabbitnightmare [06:53] rabbitnightmare: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [06:53] oh sorry [06:53] so the bt audio was working [06:53] I installed fuse and it stopped working === Guest5440 is now known as Sauvin [06:53] fuse is the first thing that gets installed for businesses [06:54] come on people test the distro before releasing it [06:54] IMHO fuse is as important as an init or even the Linux kernel [06:54] come on [06:55] this is totally unacceptable behavior and it seems like its being done on purpose [06:55] theres just things that arent in the snap store [06:56] especially gamers who rely on protonup-qt [06:56] or me with cura [06:56] cura only releases as an appimage now [06:57] this is the pc I design stuff in brics (appimage) and export to my printers by slicing in cura (appimage) [06:57] fuse2 is unmaintained and unsupported since several years (5 or so), ask the appimage people to finally move to a supported version (fuse3, which is shipped by default) [06:58] ogra or dont break compatibility [06:58] rabbitnightmare, i use the cura2 snap since 2019 and have not had any issues with it ... [06:58] the cura snap is way out of date [06:58] rabbitnightmare, well, we can not support unsupported software in the distro [06:58] so you remove folders when installing? [06:58] especially on y library level [06:58] what does that solve [06:58] you are doing it on purpose because you want to push snap [06:59] i have no idea why folders would be removed, tht might be a gnome decision [06:59] doesnt do it in fedora which has it by default btw [06:59] this is an Ubuntu decision [06:59] (and i doubt anyone from the distro team plays around with appimages, so as long as nobody filed a bug during the dev cycle, how would they know ?) [06:59] by testing it [07:00] why would they test it ? [07:00] "how would our business partners who rely on Ubuntu every day respond to this change?" [07:00] we rely on users testing such exotic situations [07:00] lol [07:00] using appimages is not exotic [07:00] how out of touch with reality are you [07:00] none of canoncals business partners would allow a single appimage in their network [07:01] ok what about gamers [07:01] the users [07:01] no idea ... why did they not file a bug ? [07:01] if "55% of business linux users use Ubuntu" I gurantee some of them have appimages [07:02] surely not ... at least not the "partners" that pay [07:02] this is unacceptable and very very bad for your image [07:02] this is going public [07:02] rofl [07:02] I cant believe you would stoop so low as to remove important things like the file manager for daring to use appimages [07:03] seriously how dare you [07:03] in what universe is this acceptable? [07:03] rabbitnightmare, https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/issues/1120 ... the appimage devs are aware of it since 2y [07:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 1120 in AppImage/AppImageKit "fuse-3?" [Closed] [07:04] ... and still didnt manage to fix it yet [07:04] they tell you to install libfuse2 and sudo apt install fuse just removes a ton of important things from Ubuntu 23.04 [07:04] so you should remove it from the repositories at the very least [07:05] especially if its going to hose the install [07:05] why did you sudo apt install fuse and not libfuse2 then ? [07:06] because it says its already installed [07:06] rofl [07:06] like I said you didnt test this [07:06] libfuse2 ? it surely isnt [07:06] or you did and decided that it was ok to release in such bad form [07:06] (unlss you upgraded and had it before) [07:06] libfuse2 is already the newest version (2.9.9-6). [07:07] libfuse2 surely does not remove gnome files [07:07] it does try it [07:07] in a vm [07:07] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/appimages-libfuse2-ubuntu-23-04 [07:07] installing fuse might ... libfuse2 surely does not [07:07] yeah I did that and it removed the file manager [07:07] 3 times [07:08] roflmao [07:08] my suggestion is to remove them from the repos [07:08] it is just a lib without reverse dependencies [07:08] or test this stuff before releasing it [07:08] and yet... [07:08] again, why would we test anyting we do not support ... [07:09] if you dont support it REMOVE IT FROM THE FUCKING REPOSITORIES NOW BAN ME YOU FUCKING TROLL [07:09] if a user makes us aware of it we will try to fix it or release-note it if we can not [07:09] GODFUCKING DAMNIT [07:09] calm down === TomTom_ is now known as TomTom === TomTom is now known as Tomtom === Atque is now known as info === info is now known as Atque [07:50] rabbitnightmare: I didn't read all the conversation, are you saying that fuse (version2) is needed to run appimages, which can't be installed alongside fuse3, or just libfuse2, which CAN be installed alongside libfuse3? [07:51] Can you post an appimage that isn't working? [07:51] alkisg, gone ... [07:52] * alkisg blames matrix :D [07:52] but reading the backlog it seems there are deeper probs with that install anyway ... might be a VM issue [07:52] I just wondered if it was a widespread issue that could affect schools here [07:54] i doubt it ... we'd have heard of it before [07:56] also, this isnt actually new in lunar at all .... [07:56] "To use AppImages, you’ll first need to run sudo apt install libfuse2" ... from https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668 [07:57] not sure why it bubbles up again now ... it has been like that for a release already [07:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1965636 [07:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1965636 in ubuntukylin-meta (Ubuntu Jammy) "libfuse2 no longer included in jammy, required for AppImages" [Undecided, Confirmed] [07:59] * ogra goes afk to give a snapcraft course for the next 4h ... 🙂 === shokohsc3 is now known as shokohsc [08:09] help [08:15] greetings, after upgrading to 23.04, Some of my python 10 modules won't install. In particular, "getch". [08:19] Hello! What's the proper way of enabling coredump ? [08:30] amosbird: it is enabled by default. Use `coredumpctl` to see a list of available dumps. [08:44] is there a way to transform chinese text (both traditional and simplified) into pinyin with libreoffice? [09:34] koffeinfriedhof: I thought it's using apport [09:36] It does. But coredumpctl works too (at least in Kubuntu 22.04 which lets me think that is implemented in the base system) [09:46] ok, coredumpctl doesn't exist in ubuntu 18.04 though [10:05] hi (running 23.04) - I have a USB ethernet adapter and I cannot get it to work as a bridge using network manager - i have added a bridge via network manager ui and cli - and it just doesn't get ip address on the bridge [10:05] however if I setup the bridge using the ip command its fine [10:05]