[00:00] <sarnold> yes-linux: 'reorganizing' the files in the filesystem probably meant renaming the names in the directory listings -- the processes doing the copying had a file open, and was writing into the file, but it doesn't actually care about the filename
[00:01] <sarnold> yes-linux: if you had tried to move the file across filesystem boundaries, it would have been a gigantic mess, exactly as you expected :)
[00:02] <sarnold> yes-linux: 'moving' a file across filesystem boundaries is actually a copy and remove, behind the scenes.. but moving a file within a filesystem is just editing two directories, moving just the names
[00:02] <yes-linux> sarnold: indeed, interesting creatures! :)  Thanks for explaining!
[00:07] <pedahzur> Anyone hear have any contacts at Ubuntu in the blog section? I wanted to read https://canonical.com/blog/no-more-dhcpd but it comes up blank for me.
[00:10] <sarnold> pedahzur: thanks
[00:12] <pedahzur> sarnold: Sure thing. I was really curious what dhcpd was going to be replaced with. I know it's been EOL'ed. :)
[00:13] <bougyman> is that ISC's dhcpd ?
[00:13] <bougyman> When did that hit EOL?
[00:13] <yes-linux> I am about to try Ubuntu 23.04 via a live USB. is dd if=/isoFile of=/dev/sdb the same as writing the iso via the USB startup Disk creator?
[00:14] <bougyman> https://www.isc.org/dhcp/ holy crap.
[00:14] <bougyman> https://www.isc.org/kea/ there's the replacement
[00:16] <pedahzur> bougyman: Yeah, Kea is the ISC's replacement. But it has lots of non-open-source plugins, so I was curious how the transition was going to go. It's not a drop-in replacement.
[00:48] <gnarlin> Hello, Can someone help me with a bash one liner?
[00:48] <arraybolt3> I can try!
[00:48] <gnarlin> while true;do date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n";sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature"|tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log;sleep 1;done
[00:48] <arraybolt3> And you want that to do what?
[00:49] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing you're trying to put a date followed by sensor information into a log.
[00:49] <gnarlin> the problem I have is that the time and date part are not being added to the cpu-temp.log file
[00:49] <gnarlin> yes. I do get the temperature into the log file just fine, but not the date.
[00:49] <gnarlin> I'm doing the tee part wrong somehow
[00:49] <arraybolt3> OK, one sec, I see why it's not doing it and just need to figure out how to get the other stuff in too.
[00:50] <leftyfb> while true;do echo $(date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n") $(sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature")|tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log;sleep 1;done
[00:51] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: I think leftyfb's thing will work.
[00:51] <arraybolt3> I was going to assign the two pieces of info to variables and then tee them separately, but that looks cleaner.
[00:51] <gnarlin> leftyfb: Thank you SO much. That worked. So, my problem was that I wasn't seperating the two parts well enough
[00:52] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: Basically, the first part was just printing the info to the terminal, and it wasn't reaching the tee command.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> Just like how "echo abc <Enter> echo def | tee whatever <Enter>" will only get "def" into the output file.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> (Where <Enter> is a literal Enter keypress.)
[00:53] <arraybolt3> Whereas leftyfb's solution uses two subshells to generate strings, gives them *both* to "echo", and then pipes that into "tee".
[00:53] <gnarlin> Works perfectly. Thank you so much.
[00:54] <sarnold> if it were me, I'd have used a simple subshell: while true ; do (date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n";sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature") ; sleep 1 ; done | tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log
[00:54] <leftyfb> that'll also work
[00:54] <gnarlin> Anyway, I just proved to myself that my waterpump is stopping intermittently and I need to replace my cooling.
[00:55] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Won't that only ever actually print the data once the loop stops? Which is won't ever stop?
[00:55] <gnarlin> I caught the bastard hot red handed, so to speak. Rosen suddenly to 100˚C
[00:55] <arraybolt3> Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding how some of that stuff works.
[00:55] <sarnold> arraybolt3: well, okay, I only tested toys, not that, but it probably does what I expect :)
[00:57] <sarnold> lets see if this url (a) fits on one line (b) actually explains anything? :)
[00:57] <sarnold> https://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=while+true+%3B+do+%28date+%22%2B%25d%2F%25m%2F%25y+%25H%3A%25M+%22%7Ctr+-d+%22%5Cn%22%3Bsensors%7Cgrep+-i+%22cpu+temperature%22%29+%3B+sleep+1+%3B+done+%7C+tee+-a+%7E%2FDocuments%2Fcpu-temp.log
[00:57] <arraybolt3> It explains to me that URL encoding is horrible.
[00:57] <sarnold> yes, yes it does
[00:57] <gnarlin> Btw, do any of you know where Psensor actually logs? I couldn't figure out where the hell the actual log files are. I check .psensor and .config/psensor. Found nothing
[00:58] <leftyfb> gnarlin: is it a service?
[00:58] <sarnold> "A Graphical Temperature Monitoring Application"  .. I'm not sure I'd expect it to actually have logs
[00:58] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: As a sidenote, we generally avoid strong language in this channel. :)
[00:59] <gnarlin> Oh, sorry
[00:59] <arraybolt3> I wish I knew, but I usually just use KDE's System Monitor so I'e never used psensor.
[01:00] <gnarlin> There seems to be a darth of good GUI temp monitoring software like Librehardwaremonitor, which is ironically Free software, but only for Microsoft Windows.
[01:01] <arraybolt3> lol, well hey, Windows needs one too :)
[01:02] <gnarlin> I tried making Librehardwaremonitor run via mono (since it's written in c$, but no luck.
[01:08] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: What DE are you using?
[01:08] <arraybolt3> If you're on KDE, the built-in System Monitor is *really* flexible.
[01:09] <gnarlin> Just plain 'ol Gnome
[01:09] <arraybolt3> Oh well.
[01:09] <gnarlin> is it possible to install just the KDE system monitor without installing the kitchen sync?
[01:09] <gnarlin> sink
[01:10] <gnarlin> if there was a flatpak or snap with just that, that would be greeeeeat.
[01:10] <arraybolt3> Possibly.
[01:10] <arraybolt3> Eh, I don't see it in the Snap store sadly.
[01:10] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/qbblqYg.png
[01:11] <arraybolt3> ^ super fancy temp graph
[01:11] <gnarlin> can it log temps to file/files?
[01:11] <sarnold> it looks like the sort of thing that'd be on a typical startup .io domain website
[01:11] <arraybolt3> Hmm, I don't see that functionality.
[01:12] <arraybolt3> sarnold: lol
[01:12] <sarnold> it's funny to me that the actual useful bits of it, '29.9', '37.0', etc, are *so small*, and there's no history information, which feels like the whole point of having a gui :)
[01:12] <arraybolt3> Oh you can change that :D
[01:12] <gnarlin> The whole point of having a GUI is to get graphical context for the data. Seems.... not good
[01:12] <gnarlin> and especially especially if you can't log it
[01:12] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/MNO1mzx.png
[01:12] <gnarlin> that's much better
[01:13] <arraybolt3> I liked the first one though :P
[01:13] <sarnold> arraybolt3: there we go, finally a reason for a gui :)
[01:13] <sarnold> oh sure it's pretty
[01:13] <sarnold> I'm just not sure it conveys anything :)
[01:13] <gnarlin> but no logging though :-/
[01:13] <gnarlin> seems odd to leave out when implementing it should be so easy
[01:13] <gnarlin> also, the Gnome system monitor is.... very simplistic. No temperatures for cpu or gpu or gpu usage stats
[01:14] <arraybolt3> Agreed. But that's all of GNOME in my opinion.
[01:14] <arraybolt3> The only thing I don't like about KDE is that it is, in my experience, less stable than other DEs.
[01:14] <gnarlin> Honestly, Gnome+plugins is doing it for me except for the System Monitor.
[01:14] <arraybolt3> For instance Plasma and KWin have a tendency to crash every so often for me and I have to restart them.
[01:17] <sarnold> hmm, I wonder why I can't find sensord around anywhere
[01:18] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Ugh, that explainshell website has a fork bomb as the first example code snippet >_<
[01:18] <sarnold>   * Drop the sensord package, it is not really maintained upstream, and
[01:18] <sarnold>     the RRD part has some issues (closes: #244037, #469096, #790796).
[01:18] <arraybolt3> And the explanation doesn't tell you "running this will force you to reboot"
[01:18] <sarnold> .... ohhhhhh
[01:18] <sarnold> arraybolt3: d'oh
[01:18] <arraybolt3> (and cripple your machine until you do)
[01:19] <gnarlin> Doesn't Cactus depend on that Sensord for RRD?
[01:20] <sarnold> this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacti_(software)
[01:20] <sarnold> yeah it's entirely possible they might only have sensor data via sensord,
[01:20] <gnarlin> yup. I used to use it all the time years ago at my previous job. Served me well
[04:28] <slavetococo> hi
[04:37] <boser> moin
[04:38] <luna> morning
[04:38] <slavetococo> GUYS I INSTALLED UBUNTU IN A VM
[04:38] <slavetococo> what do I win?
[04:41] <boser> that you can kill it, without to distupe the main OS. And you can run a other OS on the maschine. \o/
[04:42] <slavetococo> How do I enable Multipass?
[04:48] <boser> some Docu for you: https://multipass.run/docs/linux-tutorial
[04:56] <rabbitnightmare> ok so I can connect to bluetooth devices but after a fresh install of 23.04 tonight, bluetooth audio no longer works
[04:56] <rabbitnightmare> note it worked fine in 22.10
[04:57] <rabbitnightmare> its an intel bluetooth/wifi6e adapter
[04:57] <rabbitnightmare> very linux friendly
[04:57] <rabbitnightmare> any help would be greatly appreciated
[05:05] <idmbe> rabbitnightmare: try to type this in terminal   sudo drivers autoinstall
[05:06] <rabbitnightmare> command not found
[05:07] <Bashing-om> rabbitnightmare: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall .
[05:08] <rabbitnightmare> all the drivers are already installed
[05:13] <idmbe> rabbitnightmare: go to additional drivers from menu down left in corner .. do you see your device there
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> its an intel card friend
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> the drivers are kernel based
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> its not the card
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> works in 22.10
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> tested using the iso
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> worked for the 6 months I had it installed
[05:15] <rabbitnightmare> I mean I can go back to 22.10 but it is an issue
[05:15] <rabbitnightmare> also steam is failing to load
[05:16] <boser> have you look into the 'alsamixer'? If the device correct configured?
[05:16] <rabbitnightmare> 23.04 is SO buggy
[05:16] <rabbitnightmare> boser I never had to do that before
[05:16] <rabbitnightmare> it always just worked
[05:17] <rabbitnightmare> I am telling yall that 23.04 has a LOT of problems
[05:17] <rabbitnightmare> idk if its gnome 44 causing them or what but I feel like this release was rushed
[05:18] <rabbitnightmare> I try to log into google for gnome and I cant click the email input to type
[05:18] <rabbitnightmare> so many little glitches
[05:19] <rabbitnightmare> I wouldn't even call this a beta release
[05:19] <rabbitnightmare> good lord, the quality of Ubuntu has fallen off
[05:20] <idmbe> rabbitnightmare:  almost this issue come form upgrade os not from fresh install
[05:20] <rabbitnightmare> it is a fresh install
[05:20] <rabbitnightmare> I never do in place upgrades
[05:21] <idmbe> it's laptop or pc ?
[05:21] <rabbitnightmare> desktop pc with intel hardware
[05:21] <rabbitnightmare> core i5 13600k, intel wifi
[05:21] <rabbitnightmare> intel bt
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> it is as basic as they come
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> I booted fedora on the system and bluetooth audio worked out of the box with gnome 44
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> with their latest iso
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> so the issue is Ubuntu 23.04
[05:23] <rabbitnightmare> yeah I rebooted back to 23.04 and tried to pair the headphones again, and no dice
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> it connects
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> but no audi
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> o
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> I load steam from the snap store and when I try to open the login screen, its just blank with nowhere to click
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> I try to login to gnome with my google account and the window that pops up wont let me type into the email box
[05:25] <rabbitnightmare> whatever under the hood things yall did with this release broke a TON of things
[05:26] <rabbitnightmare> I mean did you not even bother to test it?
[05:27] <idmbe>  i recommend for you 22.04 LTS if you have all that a lot of issues with 23.04
[05:28] <rabbitnightmare> well I mean sure but why even release an OS every 6 months if its going to be broken like this? seems like a monumental waste of human resources
[05:29] <rabbitnightmare> that dev time could be better spent on making applications and services people and businesses would pay for
[05:30] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: where did you get this misinformation from? the science is settled on 23.04 working just fine
[05:30] <idmbe> Yes, that a point of view
[05:30] <rabbitnightmare> dsc_ if it were working fine I would not be facing the issues I am having
[05:30] <rabbitnightmare> I even redownloaded the iso and made it with a different usb stick and reinstalled it twice now
[05:30] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: have you tried the steam executable directly from Valve?
[05:31] <rabbitnightmare> the one in the snap store is the executable from valve, packaged as a snap
[05:31] <dsc_> is that a 'no' ?
[05:31] <rabbitnightmare> I think you are just trolling because the one from valve is the same version as the snap one
[05:32] <rabbitnightmare> and I never had this issue before
[05:33] <dsc_> consider reporting a bug to the people doing efforts related to snap here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/steam-call-for-testing/34575
[05:34] <dsc_> or install the original executable directly
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> same issue
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> the UI is having a ton of issues
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> when I go to open certain applications I can't interact with them at all
[05:40] <rabbitnightmare> and others seem fine
[05:40] <dsc_> you are going to need to describe your exact issue in an effective manner
[05:42] <gry> someone needs ai to understand rabbitnightmare; i think "after upgrade to 23.04 i can't click email input to type in google [chrome? (what web browser are you using?)]"
[05:42] <rabbitnightmare> after upgrade and after fresh install
[05:42] <gry> can you tell me what is your hardware and whether it works if you create a new OS user to test it
[05:42] <gry> oh fresh install - ignore the bit about new user, that's already a new user
[05:42] <rabbitnightmare> intel core i5 13600k, msi pro z690a ddr4 wifi
[05:42] <rabbitnightmare> 512gb nvme ssd
[05:42] <gry> ram?
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> 24gb
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> 48gb
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> ratger
[05:43] <gry> this is amazing, it should just work
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> 48gb rather
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> you would think
[05:43] <gry> you log in, open only one browser window - click gmail.com - start typing your email and it freezes or does what?
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> intel igp graphics
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> so I login to the first start thing that pops up on a fresh intall
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> it says "log into accounts" and I click google
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> the email window pops up and I cant click it
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> I type and nothing happens
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> I go into settings>accounts
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> I click google
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> same thing
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> I cant interact with the window that pops up
[05:46] <rabbitnightmare> I mean I can scroll but clicking it does nothing and I cant even click forgot email
[05:46] <rabbitnightmare> the other accounts work but google is broken
[05:47] <gry> can you please install 'kazam' and record screen showing how it happens, i'm just struggling to imagine it properly
[05:47] <rabbitnightmare> I go to open a video in gnome videos and I cant click any of the controls
[05:47] <gry> still thinking what to do
[05:47] <gry> could load without graphics - with nomodeset
[05:47] <gry> !nomodeset
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> its intel igp
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> roflmao
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> unreal
[05:48] <gry> what
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> everything about this system is linux friendly
[05:48] <gry> it is a debug procedure. it doesn't mean you need to put your graphics card in a bin
[05:48] <gry> maybe there is a bug in the graphics driver
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> theres no card
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> just the cpu
[05:49] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: there is a GPU inside the CPU ;)
[05:49] <rabbitnightmare> and for some reason the folder icon disappeared from my dock randomly
[05:49] <rabbitnightmare> I have no clue where it went
[05:49] <gry> you may ned to resolve one problem at a time
[05:50] <rabbitnightmare> imma resolve this real fast by going back to 22.10
[05:50] <rabbitnightmare> but yall need to be made aware that there are a boat load of issues
[05:50] <gry> that is fine, although i'd suggest to file a bug and detail your hardware in it and attach a screencast from kazam
[05:50] <gry> kazam is very user friendly and it'd save others the trouble of understanding what the issue is like from a text description
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> I will
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> not trolling friend at all, and I get that its early for gnome 44
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> im surprised it was released with 23.04
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> seems a bit hasty
[05:52] <rabbitnightmare> I would have waited until 22.10 for gnome 44.x to ensure everything was smooth
[05:52] <rabbitnightmare> or 23.04.1 or something
[05:57] <rabbitnightmare> yeah for the life of me I cant open any folders
[05:57] <rabbitnightmare> I double click a folder and it brings up disk usage analyzer
[05:57] <rabbitnightmare> wtf?
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> even when clicking the home icon on the desktop
[05:58] <gry> rabbitnightmare: you mentioned upgade and fresh install
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> I am soooooooooo confused
[05:58] <gry> rabbitnightmare: did you do both from the same .iso file?
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> this is a fresh install and I did NOTHING to it
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> no different iso I downloaded it
[05:58] <gry> rabbitnightmare: did you download the .iso twice or once?
[05:59] <rabbitnightmare> I only downloaded the iso when I noticed issues thinking it was the upgrade I had done
[05:59] <gry> rabbitnightmare: thanks for the clarifications, i'm still thinking of possible causes. looks like a corrupted install. does the same happen in live cd? maybe your hard drive (ssd) is bugged
[05:59] <rabbitnightmare> only to find out that post install its facing a lot of the same issues
[05:59] <rabbitnightmare> and then some
[05:59] <gry> rabbitnightmare: do you have two copies of the .iso or only one?
[06:00] <rabbitnightmare> I have the thumb drive I created to do the fresh install
[06:01] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[06:01] <rabbitnightmare> this is the buggiest release I have seen in almost a decade
[06:01] <gry> rabbitnightmare: and upgrade was done without .iso, so it was done through the package manager, correct?
[06:01] <gry> rabbitnightmare: can you try to boot from that usb into a live cd and test for the issue there please?
[06:01] <rabbitnightmare> yes, I used the upgrader thing in ubuntu
[06:02] <rabbitnightmare> it was having issues
[06:02] <gry> rabbitnightmare: and check the md5sum of the .iso when you get a chance
[06:02] <rabbitnightmare> so I downloaded an iso and used startup disk creator to make it
[06:02] <rabbitnightmare> formatted the drive
[06:03] <rabbitnightmare> the funniest thing I have seen is gnome folders removing itself from the pc
[06:03] <rabbitnightmare> like it straight up disappeared
[06:04] <gry> rabbitnightmare: my suggestion right now is to attempt a live usb; failing that, re-download the .iso, check its hash sum, and try the live usb again; if both of these fail, take a video with your camera (smartphone, ask a friend, whatever) and send in a bug report
[06:04] <rabbitnightmare> I dont understand how this made it out the door in the condition its in
[06:04] <rabbitnightmare> I cant even use startup disk creator to find the iso
[06:05] <gry> rabbitnightmare: it isn't necessarily an issue with the OS - could be with your .iso downloaded or with the hardware - please help by trying to troubleshoot it
[06:05] <rabbitnightmare> I am downloading now and cracking open a brand new never before used usb drive
[06:06] <gry> thanks heaps
[06:07] <rabbitnightmare> thankfully this laptop is older and I dont need kernel 6.2 for it so I keep it on LTS
[06:08] <rabbitnightmare> I wish sandisk would stop putting bloatware on their drives
[06:08] <rabbitnightmare> I am like "why is there data on the drive?!?" oh sandisk backup
[06:10] <nathan_> this chat any good for xubuntu support?
[06:10] <rabbitnightmare> depends
[06:11] <nathan_> well i finally made the swap to Linux...
[06:11] <nathan_> it only took 30 years
[06:11] <nathan_> is the software centre defunct?
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> whats the issue you are facing
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> no?
[06:12] <nathan_> cant seem to download ANY programs..
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> 23.04?
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> by chance?
[06:14] <nathan_> im on an old 32 bit device...so had to get an old version linux
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> 32 bit support for Ubuntu was removed
[06:15] <nathan_> awesome.
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> iirc it was back in 2019
[06:15] <nathan_> its not critical. was just curious.
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> all good
[06:16] <rabbitnightmare> there are other distros that have 32 bit support but I think you will find moving forward that you wont be able to use i386 as its being phased out from the kernel
[06:17] <nathan_> i thought so, I just managed to get an old toughbook for cheap so I thought id give it a go.
[06:17] <rabbitnightmare> there will always be specialty builds and such but its such old hardware
[06:17] <rabbitnightmare> there hasn't been a 32 bit x86 chip made since 2003
[06:18] <rabbitnightmare> that was 20 years ago
[06:18] <nathan_> that feels like yesterday
[06:18] <nathan_> have a Panasonic cf18 if that tells you anything.
[06:18] <rabbitnightmare> install windows 98 or dos on it for old gaming
[06:19] <rabbitnightmare> make a yt video about it there is an audience for it
[06:19] <rabbitnightmare> ok I need to go test this new usb
[06:19] <nathan_> thx
[06:20] <rabbitnightmare> I will be back tomorrow
[06:20] <nathan_> im in southern hemisphere
[06:20] <nathan_> appreciate the help
[06:20] <rabbitnightmare> there seems to be this sudden influx of people from south america
[06:20] <rabbitnightmare> oh he left
[06:21] <nathan_> im more impartial to seeing Kangaroos where I am.\
[06:50] <rabbitnightmare> ok wow so um I was able to recreate the issue
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> brt you here?
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> if you install fuse, it removes gnome folders!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> fuse is necessary to run appimages
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> this is a MASSIVE oversight
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> why the hell does fuse remove shit from my install?!?
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> so I can safely tell you without a shadow of a doubt that you DID NOT test 23.04
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> !language | rabbitnightmare
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> oh sorry
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> so the bt audio was working
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> I installed fuse and it stopped working
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> fuse is the first thing that gets installed for businesses
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> come on people test the distro before releasing it
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> IMHO fuse is as important as an init or even the Linux kernel
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> come on
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> this is totally unacceptable behavior and it seems like its being done on purpose
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> theres just things that arent in the snap store
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> especially gamers who rely on protonup-qt
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> or me with cura
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> cura only releases as an appimage now
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> this is the pc I design stuff in brics (appimage) and export to my printers by slicing in cura (appimage)
[06:57] <ogra> fuse2 is unmaintained and unsupported since several years (5 or so), ask the appimage people to finally move to a supported version (fuse3, which is shipped by default)
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> ogra or dont break compatibility
[06:58] <ogra> rabbitnightmare, i use the cura2 snap since 2019 and have not had any issues with it ...
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> the cura snap is way out of date
[06:58] <ogra> rabbitnightmare, well, we can not support unsupported software in the distro
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> so you remove folders when installing?
[06:58] <ogra> especially on y library level
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> what does that solve
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> you are doing it on purpose because you want to push snap
[06:59] <ogra> i have no idea why folders would be removed, tht might be a gnome decision
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> doesnt do it in fedora which has it by default btw
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> this is an Ubuntu decision
[06:59] <ogra> (and i doubt anyone from the distro team plays around with appimages, so as long as nobody filed a bug during the dev cycle, how would they know ?)
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> by testing it
[07:00] <ogra> why would they test it ?
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> "how would our business partners who rely on Ubuntu every day respond to this change?"
[07:00] <ogra> we rely on users testing such exotic situations
[07:00] <ogra> lol
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> using appimages is not exotic
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> how out of touch with reality are you
[07:00] <ogra> none of canoncals business partners would allow a single appimage in their network
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> ok what about gamers
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> the users
[07:01] <ogra> no idea ... why did they not file a bug ?
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> if "55% of business linux users use Ubuntu" I gurantee some of them have appimages
[07:02] <ogra> surely not ... at least not the "partners" that pay
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> this is unacceptable and very very bad for your image
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> this is going public
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> I cant believe you would stoop so low as to remove important things like the file manager for daring to use appimages
[07:03] <rabbitnightmare> seriously how dare you
[07:03] <rabbitnightmare> in what universe is this acceptable?
[07:03] <ogra> rabbitnightmare, https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/issues/1120 ... the appimage devs are aware of it since 2y
[07:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 1120 in AppImage/AppImageKit "fuse-3?" [Closed]
[07:04] <ogra> ... and still didnt manage to fix it yet
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> they tell you to install libfuse2 and sudo apt install fuse just removes a ton of important things from Ubuntu 23.04
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> so you should remove it from the repositories at the very least
[07:05] <rabbitnightmare> especially if its going to hose the install
[07:05] <ogra> why did you sudo apt install fuse and not libfuse2 then ?
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> because it says its already installed
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> like I said you didnt test this
[07:06] <ogra> libfuse2 ? it surely isnt
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> or you did and decided that it was ok to release in such bad form
[07:06] <ogra> (unlss you upgraded and had it before)
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> libfuse2 is already the newest version (2.9.9-6).
[07:07] <ogra> libfuse2 surely does not remove gnome files
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> it does try it
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> in a vm
[07:07] <ogra> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/appimages-libfuse2-ubuntu-23-04
[07:07] <ogra> installing fuse might ... libfuse2 surely does not
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> yeah I did that and it removed the file manager
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> 3 times
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> roflmao
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> my suggestion is to remove them from the repos
[07:08] <ogra> it is just a lib without reverse dependencies
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> or test this stuff before releasing it
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> and yet...
[07:08] <ogra> again, why would we test anyting we do not support ...
[07:09] <rabbitnightmare> if you dont support it REMOVE IT FROM THE FUCKING REPOSITORIES NOW BAN ME YOU FUCKING TROLL
[07:09] <ogra> if a user makes us aware of it we will try to fix it or release-note it if we can not
[07:09] <rabbitnightmare> GODFUCKING DAMNIT
[07:09] <ogra> calm down
[07:50] <alkisg> rabbitnightmare: I didn't read all the conversation, are you saying that fuse (version2) is needed to run appimages, which can't be installed alongside fuse3, or just libfuse2, which CAN be installed alongside libfuse3?
[07:51] <alkisg> Can you post an appimage that isn't working?
[07:51] <ogra> alkisg, gone ...
[07:52]  * alkisg blames matrix :D
[07:52] <ogra> but reading the backlog it seems there are deeper probs with that install anyway ... might be a VM issue
[07:52] <alkisg> I just wondered if it was a widespread issue that could affect schools here
[07:54] <ogra> i doubt it ... we'd have heard of it before
[07:56] <ogra> also, this isnt actually new in lunar at all ....
[07:56] <ogra> "To use AppImages, you’ll first need to run sudo apt install libfuse2" ... from https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[07:57] <ogra> not sure why it bubbles up again now ... it has been like that for a release already
[07:57] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1965636
[07:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1965636 in ubuntukylin-meta (Ubuntu Jammy) "libfuse2 no longer included in jammy, required for AppImages" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[07:59]  * ogra goes afk to give a snapcraft course for the next 4h ... 🙂
[08:09] <alain01-fr> help
[08:15] <iomari891> greetings, after upgrading to 23.04, Some of my python 10 modules won't install. In particular, "getch".
[08:19] <amosbird> Hello! What's the proper way of enabling coredump ?
[08:30] <koffeinfriedhof> amosbird: it is enabled by default. Use `coredumpctl` to see a list of available dumps.
[08:44] <loswedseded> is there a way to transform chinese text (both traditional and simplified) into pinyin with libreoffice?
[09:34] <amosbird> koffeinfriedhof: I thought it's using apport
[09:36] <koffeinfriedhof> It does. But coredumpctl works too (at least in Kubuntu 22.04 which lets me think that is implemented in the base system)
[09:46] <amosbird> ok, coredumpctl doesn't exist in ubuntu 18.04 though
[10:05] <yossarianuk> hi (running 23.04)  - I have a USB ethernet adapter and I cannot get it to work as a bridge using network manager - i have added a bridge via network manager ui and cli - and it just doesn't get ip address on the bridge
[10:05] <yossarianuk> however if I setup the bridge using the ip command its fine
[10:05] <yossarianuk> i.e this method fails -> https://www.tecmint.com/create-network-bridge-in-ubuntu/
[10:05] <yossarianuk> and this method works -> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/613188/bridging-built-in-ethernet-with-usb-ethernet-adapter-in-debian  (first answer)
[10:06] <yossarianuk> using nmcli - when i put br0 to up I see 'br0: connecting (getting IP configuration) to br0'
[10:06] <yossarianuk>  but it never gets ip info
[10:06] <yossarianuk>  any hints ?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <Jari--> Only can imagine how will my Core i7 feel like with Ubuntu... Ubuntu is faster than Windows 11.. on this old rootbox I am locked with Win11.. since the TPM 1.x broke down on installation of Windows 11.
[12:56] <Jari--> I think it is somehow possible to fix the TPM to install Ubuntu once again.
[13:24] <koffeinfriedhof> amosbird: 18.04 is dead anyway.
[13:26] <Henry-Krinkle> anyone owned a Getac laptop?
[13:39] <DangerM> How many HWE kernels do Ubuntu release a year? I've had three already this year
[13:45] <jhutchins> DangerM: There's no quota.
[13:46] <DangerM> Yeah I just don't remember 3 in 3 months before
[13:48] <jhutchins> There's just been a lot of kernel development.  Mainline is up to 6.3
[13:49] <DangerM> Fair enough will have to keep it as is anyway
[13:49] <DangerM> needed it for Xe Graphics acceleration
[13:49] <jhutchins> DangerM: That is a viable option.
[14:47] <jhutchins> 6.3 has just been released.
[14:47] <jhutchins> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/04/26/0023238/linux-kernel-63-released
[14:55] <sgen> so I have an issue with apt-key depreciation: sudo apt update warned with 'https://dl.yarnpgk.com/debian/dists/stable/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring ...
[14:56] <sgen> I tried following these instructions: https://losst.pro/en/how-to-fix-key-is-stored-in-legacy-trusted-gpg-keyring-in-ubuntu
[14:57] <sgen> But now I ahve this error on apt update: An error occured during the signature verification. The following repository is not updated ...
[14:57] <sgen> So something went wrong
[14:57] <sgen> nvm dont think I updated the ley path
[14:57] <sgen> trying that
[15:03] <sgen> fixed it
[15:03] <sgen> ty rubber ducks
[17:10] <tweak> hi all. how can i resolve this? python3-lhafile : Depends: python3 (< 3.11) but 3.11.2-1 is to be installed
[17:11] <jhutchins> tweak: Find the idiot who wrote the dependency list and break fingers until he fixes it.
[17:11] <jhutchins> tweak: (Or you could just report it as a bug to the lhafile developers.)_
[17:12] <tweak> jhutchins: ahh ok that makes sense. thanks
[17:12] <tweak> i though maybe i could --force it?
[17:12] <jhutchins> tweak: You can probably expand the file, correct it, then re-pack it.  Theoretical knowledge only.
[17:13] <tweak> jhutchins: hmmmm thats a good idea, that's probably what i will do
[17:14] <jhutchins> tweak: Worth a try, at the least you'll learn something.
[17:14] <Gallomimia> the following packages have been kept back: tzdata
[17:14] <jhutchins> You could even write it up for a blog.
[17:14] <Gallomimia> now why... would you hold back that package.
[17:15] <Gallomimia> thanks i would prefer my timezones weren't right until tomorrow.
[17:18] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: Do you have any non-standard or non-official sources?
[17:21] <leftyfb> !phasedupdates | Gallomimia
[17:22] <Gallomimia> uhhhmmm. yes
[17:23] <Gallomimia> a few items installed by ppa
[17:23] <tweak> jhutchins: do you know if i could just compile it from source code would that be a workaround? instead of relying on the repos
[17:23] <Gallomimia> ah. a long wondered question, how do i turn the phased updates off.
[17:23] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: apt-cache policy tzdata | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:23] <jhutchins> tweak: That gets you into a whole new kettle of worms.  Yes, you could do that.  You'd still have to find and fix the dependency.
[17:24] <Gallomimia> well, now i don't know that i want to turn them off!
[17:24] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: apt-cache policy tzdata | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:24] <Gallomimia> one sec
[17:24] <Gallomimia> https://termbin.com/oivf
[17:24] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: if this is just a package being held back, you should be able to install it with: sudo apt install tzdata    # though, I can't imagine this is critical for you and you could just wait for it. It'll probably updated in the coming days
[17:25] <Gallomimia> lol... yeah it just seemed like one that i would want immediately. like if there's a change in how timezones work, i probably want to get on it right away?
[17:25] <tweak> jhutchins: thank you
[17:26] <Gallomimia> did that termbin i posted mean anything to you?
[17:26] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qCbjYpmHXV/
[17:26] <Gallomimia> and uhhh, did someone imply that it's being held back until testing can occur on more exotic lists of ppa interaction?
[17:27] <leftyfb> those are the changes
[17:27] <Gallomimia> ohhhh well. i guess i should make sure it's not going to muck up my files from india that were made in 1970
[17:28] <Gallomimia> sorry guys :) i'm learning a bit from this, but it's a lot more comical than useful
[17:32] <Gallomimia> next question: seems there were some kernel updates. i'm seeing a lot of stuff for 5.19.0-41 but most of it is for 5.15.0-71 and uh. seems rather odd. when did 19 come into play, so suddenly?
[17:33] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: 5.19 is the HWE kernel for Ubuntu 22.04
[17:33] <leftyfb> 5.15 is the GA
[17:35] <Gallomimia> yes lots of hardware enablement stuff in the log. okay thanks. last question. what's GA?
[17:35] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://ubuntu.com/kernel/variants
[17:36] <Gallomimia> lol. i guess it's generic. but it never says what the A stands for
[17:37] <Gallomimia> i'm having an amusing day so far
[17:37] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: GA is defined in the first sentence on the link I gave you
[17:38] <Gallomimia> AH finally. thanks. i was looking at the table a bit below...
[17:38] <Gallomimia> i think... coffee.
[18:31] <zir03781> irc://irc.rizon.net/asthenia
[18:32] <oerheks> zir03781, no spam here, thanks.
[19:23] <daft> am i able to do a do-release-upgrade to 23.04? or do i need to wait for the .1 release?
[19:23] <leftyfb> daft: non-LTS releases do not have point releases
[19:24] <leftyfb> daft: do-release-upgrade will upgrade to all supported versions of ubuntu, LTS and non-LTS
[19:24] <leftyfb> daft: 23.04 is a non-LTS
[19:25] <daft> Yes but how do i upgrade to the lastest. Just found out I run lts and it wants to update to 22.10
[19:26] <daft> Or do i need to do a 22.10 1st before going to 23.04?
[19:26] <leftyfb> daft: to get to 23.04, you will need to go to 22.10 and then 23.04
[19:26] <daft> oke
[19:27] <leftyfb> daft: though, unless you have a specific reason to upgrade to non-LTS, I always personally recommend sticking with LTS. Just my personal opinion.
[19:29] <daft> well I want the most eye candy desktop. Hope i can do more tweaking with the lastest plasma.
[19:39] <linux>  Hi, Can you recommend me a solution moving files over wifi between Kubuntu and Android? I used to use Sendanywhere but afte years of using it without any problems it started not connecting to my laptop. Now I tried Warpinator and KDE Connect. After I added rules to firewall I even turned firewall off and restarted applications it doesn't want to connect 8 times out of ten.
[19:43] <daft> there are many. you can even use rcync.  Or get a tool like nextcloud that can synchronize with the android app
[19:43] <BrianBlaze> linux, I have a samsung and my files app allows me to connect to network storage and I have a samba share on my xubuntu. That's how I do it. If you don't have a file app on your phone there are a few in the app store for sure
[19:51] <linux> BrianBlaze: Not bad. Thanks
[20:39] <jhutchins> BrianBlaze: Thanks.  Mine used to work like that, but now niether device will find or connect to the server.
[20:40] <jhutchins> Ah, I see Linux had the same problem.
[20:40] <jhutchins> I was using the X-plore app.
[20:41]  * jhutchins sneaks a look at the time stamp on the scroll buffer.
[20:41] <jhutchins> Oh well.
[21:06] <ivm83> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 22.04 on an early 2008 MacBook Pro. Everything is great, except that it doesn't boot into the new OS by default - I have to hold Alt and select the only boot option (image of a hard disk and label "EFI Boot") to get it to boot. If I don't do anything at boot time, it just hangs with a black screen and a blinking white cursor in the top left corner. Is there a way to make it boot into the "EFI Boot" by default?
[21:06] <ivm83> Thanks!
[21:24] <tomreyn> ivm83: you probably need to reconfigure your bios to boot in (a) uefi mode by default and (b) (x)ubuntu specifically
[21:24] <tomreyn> oh wait its a mac book pro, sorry, i missed that part
[21:28] <tomreyn> https://apple-history.com/mbp_early_08 seems to be the hardware
[21:34] <ivm83> tomreyn: yes, that one. I don't really *mind* holding Alt every time it boots, but it is a bit annoying ...
[21:34] <ivm83> so I'd like to fix it, if it is in fact fixable :)
[21:35] <tomreyn> ivm83: on the booted xubuntu, can you run   ls -lr /boot/efi/ |& nc termbin.com 9999
[21:36] <tomreyn> ivm83: on the booted xubuntu, can you run   sudo ls -lr /boot/efi/ |& nc termbin.com 9999
[21:36] <tomreyn> actually the latter, with sudo
[21:37] <tomreyn> this will post a listing of the contents of /boot/efi directory, recursively, to termbin.com, and print a link where we can access it. it get's deleted there after a month
[21:38] <devilboy> Hello everyoneee
[21:39] <devilboy> When I was younger :P  I had ubuntu and windows dual boot and I could access windows partition from ubuntu and the opposite.
[21:40] <devilboy> How can I do this again with the easy way?
[21:40] <devilboy> Does anyone know? Thanks in advance!
[21:41] <Jeremy31> devilboy: I think you have to download software for Windows to  read ext4 partitions, Ubuntu should have no issues with Windows partitions
[21:42] <devilboy> Jeremy31, I found it now in ubuntu, I clicked on +Show other locations. Excellent! I was so blind :D
[21:42] <devilboy> I will try it from windows to find something for ext4. Thank you Jeremy31
[21:43] <Jeremy31> devilboy: Just be careful accessing files on ext4 from Windows, I am not sure how reliable it is
[21:44] <devilboy> I believe I will leave it only for ubuntu (as it is) in case windows won't boot up, I can access my files from ubuntu.
[21:45] <devilboy> I'm still on 20.04.6 LTS, thinking of 22.04.2 upgrade but I don't want to spend time fixing the grub. I've read in forums that it gets messed after the upgrade, or disappear.
[21:53] <live321> is anybody around today to see if this quassel on kaos live dvd works
[21:54] <leftyfb> live321: what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[21:54] <live321> there is no a peep on the kaos channel
[21:55] <live321> leftyfb...nothing really just testing the latest c++ code on plasma with kaos live...i did get a chance to update ubuntu today and it all went well
[21:55] <leftyfb> live321: good luck
[21:56] <live321> leftyfb yep i need it with all these crooked ass fucking pigs trying to steal my wife and kids
[21:56] <leftyfb> live321: trolling is offtopic here. Please take it elsewhere
[21:57] <live321> leftyfb nothing is going to change and i am not about to act happy about all the shit these goddamn bastards have done to my family over the last 40 years
[21:57] <leftyfb> live321: this is a support channel. Take it elsewhere
[21:57] <aimatme> What is going on lol.
[21:58] <live321> leftyfb but anyway thanks for letting me know the quassel code is working
[21:58] <live321> i am out of here
[21:58] <ivm83> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/2s44
[22:06] <tomreyn> ivm83: hmm, i dont want to provide potentially bad suggestions, preventing the next boot from working at all, so i'll need to stop at this point, really. this output looks like you only have the ubuntu efi boot loader, and i assume what you need to get done is to make the macbook always boot in uefi mode, and that'll be it. but i know too little about macs to tell how to achieve this.
[22:08] <EriC^^> ivm83: dabbling with refind might help
[22:12] <ivm83> I don't know if the Intel macs run OpenFirmware or if that's only PowerPC macs ... but yeah I think there's just some mac firmware setting that needs to be applied to set the EFI boot as the default boot option. I just don't know how to do it.
[22:18] <ivm83> solved! Had to ctrl-click the EFI Boot icon to make it sticky. Explained here: https://www.macworld.com/article/192818/startupboot.html
[22:20] <tomreyn> nice find!
[22:49] <ivm83> tomreyn: i expected it to be much more complicated, but apparently it's Apple so it was pretty easy ...
[23:05] <sgen> So do gpg keys go in /etc/apt/trusted.d/name-archive.gpg or /etc/apt/keyrings?
[23:05] <sgen> for signing package repositories
[23:08] <oerheks> in /usr/share/keyrings, see https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-handle-apt-key-and-add-apt-repository-deprecation-using-gpg-to-add-external-repositories-on-ubuntu-22-04
[23:15] <StephenLynx> hey, I got a laptop here with ubuntu 22 and it won't let me change how often I want it to check for updates.
[23:15] <StephenLynx> any info on that?
[23:16] <StephenLynx> i click the combobox, the options show, I pick one and it won't change anything.
[23:24] <aimatme> StephenLynx: Software and Updates > Updates > Automatically Check for Updates (select time)
[23:25] <StephenLynx> i know.
[23:25] <StephenLynx> it doesn't work.
[23:25] <StephenLynx> I pick a different one and it won't change.
[23:25] <StephenLynx> let me open it manually and try again, I reached it through the automatic update prompt.
[23:26] <akik> can somebody see if the ubuntu repo host ftp.estpak.ee is synced properly? i was getting some file not found errors
[23:26] <StephenLynx> yup. it doesn't change when I pick a different option aimatme
[23:27] <aimatme> StephenLynx: What do you mean it doesn't change? The drop down won't stay on "weekly"?
[23:28] <StephenLynx> correct.
[23:28] <StephenLynx> any of the comboboxes won't respond to what I pick.
[23:31] <StephenLynx> took a video aimatme https://drive.google.com/file/d/12xE2WGlERD-PABGEVjx1EmJosIeLcRz_/view?usp=share_link
[23:32] <StephenLynx> maybe it's a permission issue?
[23:33] <aimatme> StephenLynx, I see!
[23:33] <aimatme> that certainly looks like a permissions issue. do you have sudo permissions?
[23:36] <StephenLynx> yup, that was the issue. I had to run it as root.
[23:36] <StephenLynx> silent errors, I tell you.
[23:36] <StephenLynx> this was annoying because my mom got this laptop with 2 cores and those second line cpus
[23:36] <StephenLynx> and a hdd
[23:36] <StephenLynx> and she doesn't use it often.
[23:37] <StephenLynx> so everytime she goes to use it, it takes a long, long time to unchoke with the update checks.
[23:42] <aimatme> yeah that's strange
[23:42] <aimatme> I get a sudo prompt when I change mine
[23:42] <aimatme> It might be worth changing it to security updates only?
[23:45] <StephenLynx> nah
[23:45] <StephenLynx> if that laptop is hacked it wouldn't be an issue at all.
[23:46] <StephenLynx> which is not realistic anyway because it's only used at home
[23:48] <StephenLynx> to be fair this laptop has always been weird. I had to install one of those kmod drivers or something for wifi.
[23:48] <StephenLynx> because the hardware was not supported out of the box.