[00:33] <loswedseded> upgraded to 23.04 and encountered an error: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 6.2.0-20-generic (x86_64)
[00:33] <loswedseded> don't know how to go on
[00:33] <loswedseded> dpkg: error processing package linux-image-6.2.0-20-generic (--configure):
[00:33] <loswedseded>  installed linux-image-6.2.0-20-generic package post-installation script subproc
[00:33] <loswedseded> ess returned error exit status 1
[00:34] <loswedseded> am I gonna break something if I poweroff the computer>?
[01:44] <hatesec> Hello. I have been working for 24 hours trying to solve an ssh problem. I can't login to my remote server -- permission denied (publickey). I've followed every guide for generating key pairs, adding the new key contents to authorized_keys, every combination of options in sshd_config, and more. Even when I enable password authentication, it refuses my connection with (publickey). It's almost as if my server is not responding
[01:44] <hatesec> to any of the changes I made. This, after restarting sshd.service and rebooting the server
[01:46] <hatesec> I verified file and dir permissions, they are correct. In the past, I connected to the server just fine. That was months ago, though, and I've since reinstalled Windows on my work computer. I thought it might be related to reinstalling Windows and it not trusting my machine, but I still can't login from Windows or a linux laptop. Both are denied (publickey). I am at a loss
[01:56] <Max-P> hatesec: refused pubkey is a pretty explicit error, you're likely not providing the right keys or the server is not reading those keys (or refusing to)
[01:57] <Max-P> Make sure .ssh is 0700 and authorized_keys is 0600, and that both are owned by the user you're connecting as
[02:08] <hatesec> Thanks, I'm in
[02:14] <tcurdt> how can I set group of systemd service? I tried [Service] Group=foo ... but it seems like the process still creates files as root:root instead of root:foo ... I have the feeling it might not be that simple
[02:40] <Church> Did something change in jammy wrt debhelper? dh_install --sourcedir / worked fine in focal to package up /opt but fails now in jammy.
[02:40] <Church> Seems it doesn't like having the sourcedir be root?
[02:44] <Bashing-om> Church: Changelog does not show any recent changes: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/d/debhelper/debhelper_13.6ubuntu1/changelog .
[02:45] <Church> Hmm... well that's interesting then
[02:45] <Church> So why would it fail then...
[02:45] <029AAGS47> hello
[02:51] <Church> Since I repeatedly get "dh_install: error: Invalid --sourcedir - must not be empty nor /"
[02:51] <Church> Guess I'll go open up dh_install's source
[04:24] <Macwinner> on my jammy boxes, I notice dmesg entries about xfs fileystem being remounted.. when I look at syslog, it all seems to be coinciding with "Apr 26 09:28:40 server1 systemd[1]: Reloading."
[04:24] <Macwinner> what would cause systemd to reload?  is it some automatic process?
[04:25] <Macwinner> oh.. nm, I remember now.. i called systemctl daemon-reload
[06:42] <akik> i can move a window by pressing the super key + mouse, but how do i resize a windows with that method?
[06:42] <akik> using gnome
[06:48] <akik> there's resize in super + right click but that's awkward
[06:51] <SteelRose> Hi all!
[06:52] <SteelRose> Pending updated of "telegram-desktop" snap
[06:52] <SteelRose> Close the app to avoid disruptions (12 days left)
[06:52] <SteelRose> but: # snap refresh
[06:52] <SteelRose> All snaps up to date.
[06:52] <SteelRose> any ideas? Thanks!
[06:53] <toddc> SteelRose: close the app and wait while it updates then reopen app
[06:54] <SteelRose> toddc: will it update automatically?
[06:54] <SteelRose> or should I do something?
[06:55] <toddc> SteelRose: snap are small containers and will update when closed but take a few minutes   if snap refresh and or store show updateed then the snap should be already downloaded and installed so nothing else
[06:56] <SteelRose> toddc: will I see any indication that tells me "the snap is updated" or similar? or is it blind trust? :-)
[06:57] <toddc> SteelRose: you can always check the snap version before and after if you want to
[06:57] <SteelRose> toddc: how?
[06:58] <toddc> SteelRose: snap list
[06:59] <SteelRose> telegram-desktop     4.8.1-2-g382558671          4762   latest/stable    telegram-desktop✓     -
[06:59] <SteelRose> so I guess I'm all set
[06:59] <SteelRose> thanks
[07:00] <toddc> most snaps also list the version somewhere in a the gui snap also but list is a better way --- great easy!!
[07:11] <toddc> SteelRose: if you do not update the snap it kill it in 13 days then replace and restart so warnings are not a big deal
[07:12] <toddc> it will kill and update and restart it
[07:16] <paul424> Hello , my build system is on focal -- Ubuntu 20 . Now I need relatively new libpython-dev -- best would be 3.11 but 3.10 would also go. What to do  ? The https://packages.ubuntu.com/ doesn't list such high versions , only libpython-3.9 which doesn';t work for me
[07:21] <SteelRose> One more question: every time my Ubuntu 20.04 LTS gets a new kernel-related update, I must manually sign some kernel module for ESET to work... and it sucks. Is there any way to automate the process? Thanks
[07:23] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/libpython3-dev → Kinetic provides 3.10. As Ubuntu makes heavily use of Python I would not recommend merging old and new in your focal. Parallel setup a virtual machine (qemu/kvm), use a deebootstrapped minimal version or so.
[07:23] <tarzeau> paul424: what hinders you upgrading to ubuntu 22.04 ?
[07:23] <paul424> I am using snapcraft -- core20
[07:23] <paul424> core20 == Ubuntu 20
[07:23] <tarzeau> SteelRose: disable signing?
[07:23] <paul424> and upgrading to higher core, means rewritign the snapcraft.yaml file
[07:24] <tarzeau> paul424: getting rid of snapcraft/snap?
[07:24] <paul424> tarzeau, you don't undersand I AM prepering a package FOR SNAPCRAFT that way, and I am asking on it's behalf
[07:25] <SteelRose> tarzeau: ESET is the one asking for the module to be signed...
[07:28] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42991501/snapcraft-custom-ld-library-path → You can provide your own libs, but it would be more difficult. Why do you need the newer library? Can you probably write a wrapper?
[07:35] <SteelRose> SecureBoot, enabled or disabled on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS?
[07:44] <paul424> koffeinfriedhof, I really need to go for a bus sorry
[07:50] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: No problem. I'm not waiting for a solution^^
[07:52] <vm1> hello
[07:54] <tarzeau> paul424: ah sorry, now i understand
[07:55] <tarzeau> SteelRose: yes secureboot disabled, no more signing needed
[07:55] <vm1> hi
[08:06] <vm3> hi
[08:06] <vm1> hi
[08:49] <iomari891> greetings: xscreensaver not locking under wayland
[08:57] <floown> Hi. I want to switch to X11, because I can not have Virtualbox VM integrated on Ubuntu
[08:58] <floown> I have no problem with Kubuntu, witch is un X11 by default
[08:59] <floown> On Ubuntu's login, I don't see what option I can use to
[09:07] <floown> I don't have gear wheel
[09:13] <paul424_> It's me again , the guy which had problem with python3.8-dev on ubuntu 20
[09:13] <paul424_> what were  your advices  ?
[09:22] <floown> Ok, Ubuntu does not works in X11 too, in a Virtualbox vm
[09:22] <floown> back to Kubuntu
[09:22] <floown> problem with integrated mode
[09:47] <ogra> SteelRose, "snap changes" (and "snap change $ID") is your friend to find out if some update happened in the background
[09:47] <ogra> and in general i'd recommend talking a look at "snap help", there is a lot of features people often do not know about
[09:55] <SteelRose> ogra: thanks!
[09:55] <floown> (I said integrated mode, I would say steamless mode)
[09:56] <floown> The virtualbox add-ons is installed, sure
[09:57]  * ogra thinks steamless mode is a general thing today ... must have been several decades ago that computers have been run by steam 😛
[09:58] <ogra> (i think yu mean "seamelss" 🙂 )
[09:58] <ogra> bah ,,, seamless
[09:58]  * ogra can't type
[10:04] <floown> Oh, yes
[10:08] <floown> I have reinstall the add-on, and restart completely the vm, uncheck the Nested Paging before, but it's the same
[11:38] <changox> Good morning
[12:08] <phablet> zssss
[12:21] <francisv-local> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 22.04 and I would like to install SRT 1.5.1-1.  If I do `apt search srt`, I cannot see anything about 1.5.  I check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/srt and it seams that it is available, but not for Jammy?
[12:21] <francisv-local> Any recommendation on how to install it?
[12:22] <ravage> compile it yourself
[12:23] <ravage> 22.04 only offers 1.4.4
[12:26] <francisv-local> or use Lunar Lobster
[12:26] <ravage> sur
[12:26] <ravage> e
[12:26] <iconoclasthero> should one use an anti-virus with ubuntu?
[12:26] <francisv-local> I will try to compile it
[12:27] <francisv-local> thank you ravage for confirming that it is not in Jammy
[12:38] <paul424> hello, hello how do I solve my problem with python-3.9-dev ? That's the highest possible version on Ubuntu 20.0. And I need higher version for my game project
[12:38] <paul424> I use snapcraft core20
[12:39] <SteelRose> Hi again! I hit another wall with DNS configuration on 18.04 LTS... https://dpaste.org/Kvywj <-- can someone please shed some light and help? Thanks!
[12:40] <paul424> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/pybind11-availability/34789/6
[12:43] <paul424> are there 3rd party repos for that ?
[12:44] <paul424> on opensuse there is no problem to get homebrew 3rd party libraries
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:52] <lunatiq> How do I find how what eidtor is being used by crontab -e
[12:52] <lunatiq> It's usually nano but this time is diff
[12:52] <lunatiq> and I don't know how to exit
[12:52] <lunatiq> It's not vim
[12:58] <[twisti]> i have an ubuntu lts 22 headless, which i picked because at the time, our wsl install did not support gui apps. now that it does, can i retrofit this install to be able to run desktop/gui apps ?
[13:03] <iconoclasthero> [twisti]: you can just pick a DE and install it.
[13:04] <leftyfb> [twisti]: try asking in #windows-wsl
[13:04] <[twisti]> iconoclasthero: so just `sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop` ?
[13:04] <iconoclasthero> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[13:05] <iconoclasthero> that is one...
[13:05] <iconoclasthero> that will give you GNOME
[13:05] <leftyfb> [twisti]: iconoclasthero that's is not all that is needed with WSL
[13:05] <[twisti]> leftyfb: im good on the wsl side
[13:06] <[twisti]> a new install works fine, i just dont want to move all my settings and whatnot so i would prefer to upgrade the one im using now
[13:06] <iconoclasthero> if they're user settings, just preserve your /home
[13:06] <iconoclasthero> if they're system settings, you can pick out the things from /etc and migrate them to the new install
[13:07] <iconoclasthero> so if i want my mpd settings, i'd move my /etc/mpd.conf to the new install...
[13:07] <iconoclasthero> but most of the user settings should be in /home
[13:07] <iconoclasthero> and i don't know much about WSL so i'll defer on that
[13:07] <leftyfb> [twisti]: did you enable systemd?
[13:08] <leftyfb> on the WSL side
[13:09] <paul424> koffeinfriedhof, what do you advise me to do then ?
[13:19] <[twisti]> leftyfb: not explicitly, but theres like a thousand things installed
[13:20] <leftyfb> [twisti]: this is why I suggested going to #windows-wsl. There's more to it than just installing gnome.
[13:22] <[twisti]> well, i followed all the instructions for wsl and it all worked fine and i just wanted to have it work for my former headless instance too, which after installing what iconoclasthero said it did, so what would i be asking them ?
[13:23] <leftyfb> [twisti]: if you're all working now, then it sounds like you did this install recently and systemd might have been enabled by default. It wasn't in the past.
[13:24] <[twisti]> i dont think its enabled now
[13:24] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: depends on what you exactly need. If you need a full 3.10 working environment you must provide it yourself in the snap environment. See https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/why-isnt-there-a-python-snap-with-the-latest-version/32941 why it is how it is
[13:42] <francisv-local> I have a machine running Ubuntu 22.04 with this DeckLink Quad 2 PCI card https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink/techspecs/W-DLK-30.  I am trying to find the drivers for it in launchpad.net but cannot find anything related to 'decklink' https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=decklink.  Do you know if someone has package those drivers somewhere else launchpad.net?
[13:42] <paul424> koffeinfriedhof, oki many thanks for the reply
[13:51] <realguy> Hello, my raspberryPi (Ubuntu 22.04 LTS) Shows the following message: `9 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps` why do I need ESM subscription for a release that is fully supported and not end-of life? I thought esm upgrades are to support older ubuntu versions.
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntupro | realguy
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> !pro | realguy
[13:53] <realguy> I'm aware of that, but 22.04 is supported why do I need pro? Pro is to support older Ubuntu versions.
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> realguy: there's still a bug in critical process going on that right now
[13:53] <realguy> 22.04 is not old 16.04 is for 16.04 I need pro I got that, fine but I don't understand why I need pro for current versions.
[13:54] <WaV> francisv-local: It should work out of the box from what I'm reading, without the need for additional kernel modules/drivers. There is a desktop video software package on the website you linked that adds additional support for Linux as it relates to their capture/playback devices though.
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> realguy: bug #1992026
[13:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992026
[13:54] <ogra> realguy, up to about a month ago there were close zero security updates for universe packages, even in fully supported releases ... recently canonical started providing CVE fixes to such releases via pro
[13:54] <realguy> lotuspsychje: thanks
[13:55] <francisv-local> WaV: hmm, I get "no driver" when I want to use the card, therefore I am trying to find out which drivers it is missing
[13:55] <ogra> realguy, so you can now get security fixes for universe ... and i doubt the bit that tells you about them in apt will be fully turned off (since it is the general security fixes notice it is tied into and we do not want people to be silently vulnerable)
[13:57] <WaV> francisv-local: You may want to try downloading the Desktop Video package from https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/family/capture-and-playback ?? The latest available for Linux is 12.4.1.
[13:57] <francisv-local> WaV: I am trying to run the sample GStreamer pipeline in https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/decklink/decklinkvideosrc.html?gi-language=c.  But it complains that decklink has no driver.
[13:58] <francisv-local> WaV: Yes, I am trying the pckage from the Blackmagic page.  I was just wondering if this is already in a package manager that I could add to my Ubuntu installation.
[13:58] <francisv-local> s/package manager/package repository
[14:00] <ogra> francisv-local, there seems to be an obs-plugins package wit decklink drivers, but no idea if that helps in any way outside of obs
[14:00] <WaV> francisv-local: I haven't looked at how they packaged the software, but if its a .deb file, you can install it with your package manager.
[14:01] <ogra> (it most probably does not, FWIW)
[14:01] <francisv-local> ogra, WaV, thank you for the suggestions, will simply continue with the Blackmagic website.
[14:03] <WaV> francisv-local: So it's a tar archive that has a .deb, a .rpm and some other extensions as well. There is a pretty detailed readme with installation instructions for Ubuntu. You may want to look through it.
[14:04] <SteelRose> Hi again! I hit another wall with DNS configuration on 18.04 LTS... https://dpaste.org/Kvywj <-- can someone please shed some light and help? Thanks!
[14:04] <WaV> francisv-local: One thing that stuck out to me in the readme is this: "* desktopvideo: This package includes the driver and firmware utility. This package is required."
[14:05] <WaV> francisv-local: That appears to answer your question about drivers
[14:07] <francisv-local> Yes, following the README, thanks WaV
[14:17] <UbuntuAdmin3744> apt update downloads for the 5.4.0-148 kernel are super slow.
[14:21] <francisv-local> WaV: it seems that the only thing that I was missing was to install `dkms`
[14:21] <WaV> francisv-local: So all is well now?
[14:21] <francisv-local> yes
[14:21] <WaV> cool
[14:21] <francisv-local> without the need to install anything from the blackmagic page
[14:21] <WaV> Good deal. Enjoy :)
[14:22] <francisv-local> `dkms` was a requirement written in the README
[14:22] <francisv-local> WaV: thank you :-)
[14:39] <tomreyn> UbuntuAdmin3744: maybe you have a slow mirror server. where are you downlaoding from?
[14:45] <UbuntuAdmin3744> tomreyn:  apt just shows us.archive.ubuntu.com    Is there a tool to test and set a faster mirror?
[14:47] <ravage> UbuntuAdmin3744: the installer usually chooses the country mirror near you
[14:47] <ravage> is your system in the US?
[14:48] <ravage> you can just test the mirror in your browser with http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz for example
[14:49] <ravage> choose any mirror that works best for you from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[14:51] <tomreyn> UbuntuAdmin3744: you can try using this script to see which of the US mirror servers is giving you the slow download: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#check_mirrors_speed_at_url
[14:59] <UbuntuAdmin3744> thanks ravage and tomreyn!
[15:00] <tomreyn> 91.189.91.39:80 seems to be slower than the other 3 servers
[15:12] <Znevna> or just you know, use the mirror protocol
[15:12] <Znevna> avoid hammering one server
[15:22] <Guest5195> Hi all! I have problems importing GIF animations to Impress. They lost resolution. There is any way to insert the GIF animations without loss of resolution?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> Guest5195: please try the #libreoffice channel
[15:24] <Guest5195> I tried, but nobody answer :(
[16:28] <sale_> ping
[16:28] <ikonia> people are here
[16:36] <francis> I have a problem with something simple. I am trying to have rhythmbox write flac files to a mp3 media player. rhythmbox is suggested i install packages, but, i think the correct apt sources arent setup because nothing is getting installed, nor is rhythmbox suggesting what libraries should be add. so, my question is, what libs should be installed? source is flac, destination should be aac/mp3 on the media player
[16:38] <jhutchins> francis: Can you mount the player as a block device?
[16:39] <leftyfb> francis: please pastebin or screenshot the errors
[16:43] <francis> Additional software is required to convert 1 file into a format supported by the target device:
[16:43] <francis> ID3 tag muxer
[16:43] <francis> MPEG-4 AAC encoder
[16:44] <francis> im using the standard software sources @leftyfb. i didnt activate anything additional
[16:44] <leftyfb> francis: (cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:46] <francis> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS"
[16:46] <francis> NAME="Ubuntu"
[16:46] <francis> VERSION_ID="22.04"
[16:46] <francis> VERSION="22.04.2 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)"
[16:46] <francis> VERSION_CODENAME=jammy
[16:46] <francis> ID=ubuntu
[16:46] <leftyfb> francis: you didn't copy/paste the command as I gave it to you
[16:47] <leftyfb> francis: sudo apt install gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
[16:50] <francis> gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly is already the newest version (1.20.1-1)
[16:53] <nikolam> Inkscape in 22.04 can't export SVG into .PNG image. I'll try newer Inkscape form flatpak.
[16:54] <leftyfb> francis: sudo apt install gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
[16:56] <leftyfb> nikolam: I just opened inkscape for the first time on my 22.04 install, opened an svg and exported as a png
[16:56] <leftyfb> the flatpak is not necessary
[16:57] <nikolam> leftyfb, try exporting https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/expanse/images/a/af/MCR_Seal-vector.svg/revision/latest?cb=20170925015155
[16:58] <beowuff> Hello! I'm trying to get autoinstalls to work and I've run into an issue with the serial console. I can get everything to boot with pxe just fine, but when the installer starts, it shows a "basic mode" due to the serial connection and doesn't start the autoinstall. Is there a way to make the installer skip the "basic mode" and go to the autoinstall script?
[16:58] <nikolam> leftyfb, well, maybe but it brings newer apps to 22.04/LTS  Seems that porting apps to LTS over PPA is lower these days..
[16:58] <leftyfb> nikolam: works fine
[16:59] <nikolam> leftyfb, well, dunno, if Xubuntu made any difference.. it made 0 bytes PNG file here, hmm.
[16:59] <leftyfb> nikolam: the latest 1.2.2 version of inkscape is available on ubuntu 22.04 as a snap
[17:00] <nikolam> leftyfb, I tend to avoid snap fully. Had problems accessing local data with snap apps (Skype)
[17:01] <leftyfb> nikolam: that's just a setting
[17:01] <nikolam> Yeah I see now it is also available as a snap. But I learn with Firefox form snap that binaries in snaps are not actually made by Ubuntu.
[17:01] <mybalzitch> how do I get the image thumbnail generation to work real-time in the new gnome file picker, like inside of an app such as firefox
[17:02] <leftyfb> nikolam: no, they're made by Mozilla (in the case of Firefox) and by Inkscape (in the case of Inkscape)
[17:03] <francis> leftyfb: Unable to send file to MTP device: PTP Layer error a809: send_file_object_info(): Could not send object property list
[17:06] <nikolam> leftyfb, and that is exactly the problem. It's not "software distribution" anymore. If it is not distributing software, why use Ubuntu for distributing other people binaries
[17:07] <nikolam> It was always compiling then distributing, it is different now.
[17:07] <arraybolt3> I thought Snaps are still compiled by Canonical's servers? Also Canonical owns the repo with the Firefox Snap packaging.
[17:10] <ravage> you can upload the snaps yourself
[17:10] <ravage> but they can also be compiled on the launchpad server farm
[17:11] <ravage> the easiest way is to link your github account and it will release from there
[17:11] <francis> im a bit disapointed to be honest, i have been using ubuntu since warty, and that these things still dont work..
[17:12] <nikolam> ravage, As I were informed, Firefox snap binaries are compiled by Mozilla, provided by Mozilla, nowone ever mentioned that they are compiled on Ubuntu/launchpad server farm..
[17:12] <nikolam> Till now.
[17:12] <ravage> it is possible that mozilla uses their own build system
[17:13] <ravage> the snap itself is maintained by mozilla
[17:13] <nikolam> So Ubuntu can't make sure whatever is in those snap binaries. So no, thank you.
[17:13] <ravage> that is probably right yes
[17:14] <alkisg> Ouch, there's no requirement to have the source code in snaps, to test it with reproducible builds etc?
[17:15] <leftyfb> nikolam: ok, so you just contradicted your previous statement that you preferred ubuntu to "distribute" the code/binaries itself and not by the vendors. Now you're saying you don't trust ubuntu distributing the code/binaries
[17:15] <ravage> alkisg: there is a skype or discord snap. that should answer your question
[17:16] <alkisg> ravage: there's a skype.deb too, but we can't upload it to launchpad; I mean, it's just about policy, not a techinical reason to have the sources or not...
[17:17] <alkisg> But OK I got it :)
[17:17] <leftyfb> The source code is available for both inkscape and firefox, it doesn't actually matter who compiles it.
[17:17] <alkisg> I would like it better if they said "open source projects: upload your sources along with your snap, so that anyone can test with reproducible builds; close source projects: do whatever you want, people may opt not to trust you"
[17:18] <alkisg> Sure, if each release is git-tagged in some repository, that's fine too
[17:19] <leftyfb> https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap
[17:19] <alkisg> Does snap have "components" like main, contrib, non-free? So that people can opt only for e.g. open source snaps?
[17:19] <ravage> no
[17:20] <ravage> you can set a license
[17:20] <ravage> but that is totally optional
[17:20] <leftyfb> no, but it has channels https://snapcraft.io/docs/channels
[17:20] <ravage> you trust the snap creator
[17:20] <ravage> that is all there is
[17:20] <ravage> with mozilla i am not really concerned
[17:20] <leftyfb> yep
[17:20] <ravage> and for skype it does not matter where i get my binary blob
[17:21] <ravage> at least with the snap it updates :)
[17:21] <alkisg> :D
[17:22] <dominic_> New HTTP/S load testing tool 230% faster than k6 https://github.com/domsolutions/gopayloader
[17:22] <hsiktas[m]> if I have Gnome Software installed, is there anything Ubuntu Software can do, that Gnome Software can't?
[17:22] <ravage> !ot | dominic_
[17:22] <ravage> hsiktas[m]: search the snap store for example
[17:23] <ravage> that may be it
[17:26] <nikolam> leftyfb, I don't trust binaries distributed without compiling and knowing what is inside. No contradiction here. And flatpak is larger community, not only Ubuntu. I don't see and point in snaps if ubuntu didn't compile them and doesn't support them. It's not software distribution anymore, but binaries distribution. But I won't talk about that anymore. I came to report about Inkscape and it couldn't be reproduced.
[17:29] <pyzozord> hello, on ubuntu 22 with x11 when I'm in activities view, the tab key doesn't work anymore to switch focus between windows
[17:29] <pyzozord> it seems like I need to use arrow keys, which is somewhat annoying, is it possible to change this?
[17:29] <arraybolt3> nikolam: You do know what's inside though. Mozilla's source code and some packaging that's here: https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: check the hotkeys in gnome settings, or tweak things in dconf-editor
[17:32] <nikolam> arraybolt3, No I don't . I do when I download it from Mozilla site, that they do. But what comes between mozilla and snap in Ubuntu I don't know.  Ubuntu does not know nor cares. snap doesn't know. So no thanks.
[17:33] <nikolam> snap is security hole.
[17:33] <leftyfb>  nikolam only if you don't trust ubuntu. If you don't then why are you running it?
[17:34] <nikolam> leftyfb, Ubuntu doesn't have idea what is in snap binaries. So it's like not trusting water pipes.
[17:34] <leftyfb> nikolam: mozilla does, which you just said you trusted
[17:35] <leftyfb> and also, if it's built in the snap store from a snapcraft yaml, using mozilla's source code, then yes, Ubuntu does know what's in it
[17:35] <nikolam> so I download it from Mozilla. I don't need snap for that. And I use flatpak, because they who make it, they know ehat's inside too. Ubuntu does not.
[17:35] <leftyfb> ok, good luck
[17:36] <nikolam> leftyfb, one can't audit binaries. I can only audit source and build from it. Ubuntu makes itself useless with snaps, if not building them.
[17:37] <arraybolt3> nikolam: If the problem is prebuilt binaries, .deb files have the exact same problem. Built from Mozilla's source, using Canonical's servers.
[17:37] <arraybolt3> (Also, this may be a discussion better had in #ubuntu-discuss.)
[17:37] <nikolam> arraybolt3, nope, .deb binaries are build from sorce by the software distribution.
[17:37] <nikolam> They are under community and maintainers control
[17:38] <nikolam> snaps are not as said..
[17:38] <leftyfb> nikolam: I'm not here to convince you either way. But please don't make false statements. Mozilla creates a yaml which is basically a make file that tells snapcraft to pull down the mozilla source code (the one from their site or github) and how to build it.
[17:38] <arraybolt3> Which the Firefox Snap is also. The GitHub link above is the repo with the Snap packaging.
[17:39] <nikolam> arraybolt3, and missing info is who makes binaries? Nobody knows.
[17:39] <leftyfb> nikolam: said file is here https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/blob/stable/snapcraft.yaml
[17:40] <nikolam> but binaries are not compiled by ubuntu so they can include more things.
[17:40] <leftyfb> nikolam: the snap build system run by Ubuntu/Canonical builds it. Very similar to how they build .debs which you already trust
[17:40] <leftyfb> nikolam: yes, they are
[17:40] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: i didn't find anything in either
[17:40] <leftyfb> nikolam: you do know snap is owned and run by Canonical/Ubuntu right?
[17:41] <leftyfb> nikolam: this is exactly how the snap is built https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/blob/stable/snapcraft.yaml
[17:41] <leftyfb> by Ubuntu
[17:41] <nikolam> leftyfb, now you say contrary things. First binaries in snap are provided by mozilla , now that Ubuntu builds it. And Ubuntu does not have any control over what is included in it or not.
[17:42] <leftyfb> nikolam: Mozilla has control over what goes into it, Ubuntu(snap builds it)
[17:42] <leftyfb> nikolam: it's ok, you don't like snap. That's completely fine. We don't need to keep going back and forth. Good luck
[17:43] <nikolam> So the sentence "binaries in snap are provided by .." should be said as: "binaries are build on Ubuntu servers, without Ubuntu community nor maintenance or choosing what is inside".
[17:44] <leftyfb> nikolam: the snapcraft files are all open source. You can see what goes into them
[17:44] <leftyfb> they are just yaml files
[17:45] <nikolam> leftyfb, being opensource and binaries you use are two separate things. It is like people use "opensource" Microsoft Codium, but Microsoft-distributed binaries include multiple layers of added telemetry..
[17:46] <leftyfb> nikolam: again, you're just going to keep coming up with reasons why you don't like snaps. You don't need to like them. I do encourage you to look at what goes into building a snap. Maybe even try building one yourself. And then make better informed decisions. Good luck
[17:46] <nikolam> leftyfb, you are trying to turn things like I am the problem.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: could this be what you need? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-windows-switching.html.en
[17:53] <nikolam> leftyfb, I use snap with Skype, because, you know, it is fully proprietary so it is more in line with snap philosophy of not knowing what's inside.
[17:53] <nikolam> Ok, let me drop the subject.
[17:53] <leftyfb> nikolam: again, please don't make false statements
[18:07] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: nope, this works fine as expected
[18:07] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: i am talking after you press just the "super" key and you activate the "activities" mode
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> works here pyzozord
[18:08] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by works?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: super to enter activities, tab to select a window, keys to move between
[18:10] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: keys as in arrow keys?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> yep
[18:10] <pyzozord> yeah arrow keys work here too
[18:11] <pyzozord> but in activities mode tab works wonky, doesn't select all windows
[18:11] <pyzozord> selects only first window and shift+tab only last
[18:11] <pyzozord> and that's it
[18:11] <pyzozord> i cannot tab-select throught windows to focus on in the activities mode, like I could in ubuntu 20.04
[18:12] <pyzozord> in 20.04 I could press super, tab, tab, tab, enter to select third window in activities mode
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: how about mouse scroll
[18:13] <pyzozord> mouse scroll changes between "desktops" in activities mode
[18:14] <paul424> Could someone create libOIS-1.5.0 for focal -- Ubuntu 20 ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: checkout dconf-editor and search on keyword for your need like focus or window
[18:17] <ravage> paul424: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wgois/files/Source%20Release/ there is no version 1.5
[18:17] <ravage> oh there is on github
[18:17] <ravage> ubuntu still uses SF :P
[18:18] <paul424> yeah sourceforge >_>
[18:18] <paul424> how do I search the homebrew == third party package repositories ?
[18:18] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: does it behave the same for you btw?
[18:18] <pyzozord> I don't think it's a dconf setting, I couldn't find anything
[18:19] <ravage> paul424: there is no such thing for Ubuntu. There may be 3rd party packages on the internet
[18:19] <pyzozord> what would I even search for...
[18:19] <paul424> how to search for them , ravage  ?
[18:19] <ravage> your favorite search engine :)
[18:21] <paul424> what a crap, on openSuse you have taht site search.opensuse.org or whatever and you can easily search the third party packages as well
[18:30] <loswedseded> I have a clock issue. Since I upgraded to 23.04 fonts is much smaller and the window doesn't enlarge if I want to show both time and date. Now both time and date are in a very small window on the upper panel but in order to show both, font is size 5 or 6
[18:31] <loswedseded> how do I enlarge this window?
[18:31] <bblinky> Hello, this article says that ubuntu supports uefi capsule updates
[18:31] <bblinky> https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000131486/update-the-dell-bios-in-a-linux-or-ubuntu-environment#updatebios2015
[18:32] <bblinky> How do I do that?
[18:32] <bblinky> Sry, this is the correct link
[18:32] <bblinky> https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000131486/update-the-dell-bios-in-a-linux-or-ubuntu-environment#Flashing%20a%20Dell%20BIOS%20in%20a%20Linux%20Only%20Environment
[18:33] <WaV> paul424: you can download your distributions official package from the apt repository, but it will likely not be the latest one. if you need the latest one, you can build it from the github page which has instructions on how to do that.
[18:39] <paul424> WaV, yeah I know that .... thanks for the reply anyway, yo !
[18:46] <jhutchins> How do you update the BIOS on a non-uefi system?
[18:49] <leftyfb> jhutchins: fwupdmgr
[18:51] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Yeah, specifically doesn't work with BIOS according to the error messages and docs.
[18:54] <leftyfb> jhutchins: can you point to the documentation that says it doesn't work with BIOS?
[19:00] <jhutchins> leftyfb: How would that help you?
[19:01] <leftyfb> jhutchins: because I would like to see the documentation saying fwupdmgr doesn't work for updating a BIOS
[19:08] <bblinky> Do IWhat is intel sgx used for in ubuntu?
[19:55] <bblinky> does ubuntu support laptop fastboot?
[19:58] <leftyfb> bblinky: if you're referring to the Windows "fast startup", no. Ubuntu does not do that
[20:08] <bblinky> does the ubuntu installer image have haveged ?
[20:08] <ravage> what is haveged?
[20:09] <bblinky> creates more entropy fr /dev/random
[20:12] <leftyfb> bblinky: https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.manifest
[20:12] <leftyfb> bblinky: doesn't look like it
[20:13] <bblinky> I'm still writing at 322 MB/s
[20:13] <bblinky> so.. I guess it's not needed so far
[20:14] <bblinky> *shrugs*
[20:49] <David_Hedlund> How do I report the same bug from two different versions (say 22.04, and 23.04) of Ubuntu?