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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 00:56 |
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| lotuspsychje | anyone knows howto make apport import logs in case the kernel is HWE when filed against 'linux' and results to linux-signed-hwe-5.19 ? | 04:11 |
| lotuspsychje | only 2 logs imported auto here | 04:12 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #2017955 | 04:12 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 2017955 in linux-signed-hwe-5.19 (Ubuntu) "Realtek Ethernet 8125 will disconnect randomly from Ethernet" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017955 | 04:12 | |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: hey, i'm trying to understand this: are you meaning to apport-collect to an existing bug id, but this bug is attributed to the wrong package? or are you trying to submit a new bug against a package but it does not seem possible to report it against this very package? | 08:05 |
| tomreyn | oh, i get it now. you're saying that bug reported against "linux", if apport resolves it to a linux-signed-hwe-... package, do not gather the right / enough logs. | 08:08 |
| tomreyn | i've also posted in #ubuntu-kernel, maybe this helps getting traction on it. | 08:26 |
| lotuspsychje | +1 tomreyn thank you | 08:37 |
| lotuspsychje | !23.04 | 09:35 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster) is the 38th release of Ubuntu and the current regular release – Download at https://ubuntu.com/download :: Release notes at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lunar-lobster-release-notes | 09:35 |
| lotuspsychje | checkout the releasenotes dreamcat4 | 09:35 |
| dreamcat4 | yeah i was wondering in terms of the stability, breakages, new issues. sometimes it can take a few weeks to address | 09:36 |
| lotuspsychje | dreamcat4: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lunar-lobster-release-notes | 09:36 |
| lotuspsychje | the known bugs are also shows there, new packages, etc | 09:36 |
| dreamcat4 | actually i should upgrade very soon, to then install radeon drivers (and see for myself) | 09:39 |
| dreamcat4 | main thing i am guessing is the glibc / libc / libcstd++ runtime versions. that the version of libraries needs to be 'compatible' with whatever those radeon proprietary drivers were compiled with. that is my main area of concern | 09:41 |
| dreamcat4 | will do a full backup before upgrading. just in case of that (to be able to roll back) | 09:41 |
| dreamcat4 | everything else i don't really anticipate being an issue, barring any unforseen severe breakages | 09:43 |
| dreamcat4 | need to upgrade to be able to install bismuth (window tiling for kde plasma) | 09:43 |
| dreamcat4 | (and also maybe newer kde plasma itself) | 09:43 |
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| tarzeau | ogra: do you have some references in europe, preferably switzerland of ubuntu and enterprise and snaps? | 13:04 |
| tarzeau | i mean i can understand that some users like snaps, and get software as snaps. but enterprise? no way | 13:04 |
| ogra | tarzeau, i'm in field engineering nowadays, but sadly most of my customers are confidential ... i can tell you that i just set up a snap store proxy for one of the rather bigger european telcos though ... for some thousands of their desktop installs | 13:05 |
| ogra | snaps come with buolt in central fleet MGMT (originally implemented for IoT but seems like enterprises found out it helps them too ) | 13:06 |
| tarzeau | i'm surprised. but knowing google went the debian way and testing, i doubt their users/desktops have snaps | 13:06 |
| ogra | i.e. snapd has a REST API that will allow you to hook it into your SW management tools easily, so you can adjust permissions, manage updates, take backups and use all the other built-in snap features | 13:07 |
| tarzeau | and from my collegues in other fields (medical, telco, airtransport, and some others), i'm not aware of any snap/enterprise usage either | 13:07 |
| tarzeau | i thought ansible (and the like) is for that kind of stuff | 13:08 |
| ogra | depends ... | 13:09 |
| ogra | i have quite a bunch of medical device customers ... though thats indeed not server/desktop but utilizing (and paying for) Ubuntu Core with is 100% snap based and has no deb support | 13:09 |
| ogra | but we also hav plenty of enterprises using snaps on top of server/cloud installs ... | 13:10 |
| ogra | snaps are a safer (and more admin friendly) alternative to docker containers for example, some customers get that and roll their own snaps replacing docker | 13:11 |
| tarzeau | thanks for your explanation. i consider snap as well as docker a security problem and not fit for enterprise | 13:11 |
| ogra | well, snaps are readonly gpg signed suqshfs filesystem images ... never unpacked, with pre-defined and fully controllable writable areas for their data ... they are transactional and ome with built in selftests ... i.e. your snapped webserver can have a test if port 80 is open after updae, if it fails the snap will automatically roll back to the former version | 13:13 |
| ogra | so there is a lot of added security you wont see with debs or docker | 13:14 |
| ogra | tinker proof ... self healing ... confined ... to throw in some buzzword bingo value here 🙂 | 13:14 |
| ogra | many customers get that ... and like it actually ... | 13:15 |
| tarzeau | do you know that meme with the bus and that train? | 13:17 |
| ogra | nope ... | 13:18 |
| tarzeau | to me it feels like a big brick of concrete, not flexible, huge and just a "klotz" | 13:18 |
| tarzeau | https://imgflip.com/i/7jtu03 | 13:19 |
| ogra | well, that is completely off ... snaps *need* debs, they are built from them ... | 13:19 |
| ogra | anyway ... did you notice that most companies in the business are doing bigger layoffs recently ... | 13:20 |
| ogra | and did you notice that canonical is actually in teh position to do hiring instead ? ... | 13:21 |
| ogra | snaps have a non trivial play in that 🙂 | 13:21 |
| ogra | (admittedly more in the IoT area were they are pretty well established, but enterprise and cloud is picking up and slowly coming to speed here ) | 13:25 |
| tarzeau | ok. my prediction: people will move to debian for a bunch of reasons | 13:26 |
| ogra | people move all the time ... some to debian some to ubuntu ... i dont see that as a problem | 13:28 |
| tarzeau | the reason we moved at work to ubuntu was pre 2018, ubuntu unity, but now that's gone, there's basically no difference between deb/ubu, except well there's a huge difference | 13:31 |
| ogra | like 10y of security support for all of the archive ? 🙂 | 13:32 |
| tarzeau | well that's not free as in free beer | 13:33 |
| ogra | it is for non commercial use | 13:33 |
| tarzeau | nobody right in their mind would use such software without updates (i mean, if it's not a satellite sent far far away, and it's not possible to upgrade) | 13:33 |
| tarzeau | the 5 free ones when you register and use UA? | 13:34 |
| tarzeau | ubuntu pro | 13:34 |
| ogra | right | 13:34 |
| leftyfb | nobody in their right mind would run an EOL OS in production | 13:34 |
| tarzeau | but i can have that without registration from debian? | 13:34 |
| ogra | or 50 if you are an ubuntu community member | 13:34 |
| tarzeau | leftyfb: true, they would upgrade it | 13:34 |
| ogra | can you ? | 13:34 |
| ogra | show me how debian does give CVE support for *all* of their archive for 10y ... would be news to me that they do | 13:35 |
| tarzeau | i said 5 years | 13:35 |
| ogra | and i said 10 🙂 | 13:35 |
| tarzeau | but your 10 is really only 5 | 13:35 |
| leftyfb | tarzeau: ESM is only needed for after EOL, which is 5 years | 13:36 |
| leftyfb | Debian does not provide updates for all their packages beyond 5 years, just like ubuntu | 13:36 |
| ogra | and their 5 is clearly only for select packages they ave people to care for | 13:36 |
| leftyfb | unless you're running Unstable, which you shouldn't be doing in production | 13:36 |
| oerheks | and ESM covers not all packages.. | 13:36 |
| ogra | it does now | 13:36 |
| tarzeau | ogra: clearly not. the expection list is very small | 13:36 |
| ogra | well, since it got rnamed to pro | 13:36 |
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