[00:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:37] <enigma9o7> So I'm a bit curious about ubuntu pro.  I understand the idea - register with canoncial, they'll give me more updates.
[01:38] <oerheks> yes, that is one part.
[01:38] <enigma9o7> When I first saw it advertised during apt updates on my bionic machine, it made sense, it was almost EOL at the time, and now is EOL.
[01:38] <oerheks> support CVE for universe..
[01:38] <enigma9o7> So I registerec, and now get more updates, cool.
[01:38] <oerheks> livepatch
[01:38] <enigma9o7> But I also have focal and jammy machines, and they're getting the same ads.
[01:39] <oerheks> and the rest after 5 years
[01:39] <enigma9o7> Why aren't those updates automatic, why do I have to register for ubuntu pro to get those?
[01:39] <oerheks> not sure, to exclude mint?
[01:39] <enigma9o7> It lists various apps, imagemagic and stuff, that it wants me to register for ubuntu pro to get updated.
[01:39] <enigma9o7> So, what's the deal?  Is it to get updates on EOL machines, or are they trying to get everyone to register?
[01:40] <oerheks> forget the EOL part.
[01:40] <enigma9o7> And not sure what you mean about exclude mint; although I dont run mint, I do have machines running ubuntu derivites and they get the ads for ubuntu pro too.
[01:40] <enigma9o7> Forget the EOL part?
[01:40] <oerheks> oke, try to register them?
[01:41] <enigma9o7> But why?
[01:41] <oerheks> yes, 5+5 year support
[01:41] <enigma9o7> I thought the whole point was to provide support after EOL...
[01:41] <enigma9o7> why is it requiring to register when its not EOL?
[01:41] <oerheks> that is the kernel and not all the packages.
[01:41] <enigma9o7> they're holding back updates unless we register?
[01:41] <oerheks> yes, imagemagick as example
[01:42] <oerheks> from the universe repo, that is the thingy
[01:43] <lotuspsychje> !pro
[01:44] <oerheks> we give support on  imagemagick 6, while 7 is out.
[01:44] <enigma9o7> yeah, for ten year support
[01:44] <oerheks> grinn
[01:44] <enigma9o7> but isnt 5 year support automatic?   but okay i think i understand, you're saying its cuz its in universe?
[01:44] <enigma9o7> so now, you only get automatic updates for main, and have to register for universise (and for main after 5 years)
[01:46] <enigma9o7> I only mentioned imagemagick cuz that happened to be one of the packages listed when it was telling me why to register,  there were a dozen others.
[01:46] <oerheks> i am not interested in that part, only the extended CVE support and livepatch
[01:47] <leftyfb> enigma9o7: you're not registering to get updates from packages in universe. You're registering to get updates for packages in universe that the original maintainers haven't updated but Canonical has
[01:47] <leftyfb> but IIRC, enigma9o7 has me on ignore, so they won't see this anyway
[01:48] <enigma9o7> Nah, that was back when I was on matrix.
[01:48] <enigma9o7> They banned me from libera.
[01:48] <enigma9o7> So now I see you, although I didnt remember you were one of the ones I ignored, I do have a drinking problem and forget a lot.
[01:49] <enigma9o7> I got banned from libera because I annoyed an element developer saying I should be able to whois irc users.
[01:49] <enigma9o7> Or probably worse than that, but anyways, I digress.
[01:49] <enigma9o7> But okay thanks, I do understand now, its the universe updates provided by canonical they want us to reigster for.  But actually mentioning mint earlier makes me wonder... .do they wont people running derivitives to register?
[01:50] <enigma9o7> want
[01:58] <oerheks> i like to see if that works, mint on PRO
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> interesting idea
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> mint shares already the kernel bugs with ubuntu
[02:07] <enigma9o7> I dunno about Mint, but I've added certainly added a couple bionic based bodhi linux machines to ubuntu pro.
[02:07] <leftyfb> btw, bionic is not EOL yet
[02:08] <leftyfb> end of May
[02:09] <enigma9o7> I didn't know that.  I did see firefox update recently and wondered if it was cuz of pro or regular updates still coming.
[02:09] <leftyfb> it's because it's a snap
[02:09] <enigma9o7> bionic
[02:09] <enigma9o7> its not snap
[02:10] <leftyfb> well, it is, just not by default
[02:10] <leftyfb> you can do either or
[02:10] <enigma9o7> So when bionic actually does go EOL, will firefox (deb package) continue to update for pro registered users not using snap?
[02:11] <enigma9o7> or only if CVE
[02:11] <enigma9o7> which afaik ubuntu doesnt do cve work on firefox anyway, they just update
[02:11] <leftyfb> you're probably better off installing the snap to get immediate updates
[02:11] <enigma9o7> well yeah, it was just curiosity
[02:14] <enigma9o7> Are there licensing reasons someone couldn't mirror the ubuntu pro universe updates to non-registered users?
[02:15] <leftyfb> probably not
[02:15] <leftyfb> good luck hosting the servers needed to serve then all up
[02:18] <oerheks> there are more with that thought, i just wonder why
[04:33] <enigma9o7> I'm trying to understand "there are more with that thought, i just wonder why"
[04:33] <enigma9o7> Do you mean I'm not the first to wonder if its okay to mirror the ubuntu pro updates for everyone?
[04:34] <enigma9o7> If so, they wonder wy would be, well not everyone wants to register.  Just registering for some seems.... unnecessary?
[04:34] <enigma9o7> Even when I registered I was.... aprehensive
[04:35] <enigma9o7> and im not a complete crazy person, i mean, i use gmail
[04:38] <enigma9o7> I can register five, and I still havent registered my kids computers or my back-room-computer-that-nobody-uses-but-i-still-maintain-cuz-i-can
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> !mantic
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> !next
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> sweet
[18:55] <SysCode> hello
[18:55] <SysCode> what is the best Ubuntu Flavor in your oppinion?
[19:35] <oerheks> There is no single best
[19:36] <SysCode> alright. what are all your favorite distros?
[19:37] <oerheks> ubuntu i guess