[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Just need to manually add a swap partition or swap file.
[00:00] <Eickmeyer> If you need it.
[01:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: after a few firefox OOM crashes...
[01:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's a good reason.
[01:08]  * OvenWerks opens too many tabs at a time
[01:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am guessing that sleep no longer uses swap?
[01:09] <OvenWerks> I had heard at one time it did
[01:09] <Eickmeyer> Sleep doesn't use swap. Hibernate did.
[01:09]  * OvenWerks doesn't know the difference
[01:09] <Eickmeyer> Hibernate saves RAM to disk.
[01:09] <Eickmeyer> Sleep just keeps RAM running.
[01:10] <OvenWerks> untill I got the laptop, I had it set to never sleep or hibernate
[01:10] <OvenWerks> So sleep uses power and hibernate does not.
[01:10] <Eickmeyer> In order to hibernate, you must have exactly as much swap as RAM or more.
[01:10] <Eickmeyer> Correct.
[01:11]  * OvenWerks tries to thin k if that is useful..
[01:11] <Eickmeyer> Just makes it so that you don't have to shut down all of your applications if you have them running, makes boot faster.
[01:12] <Eickmeyer> That said, I think Ubuntu has hibernate disabled and it's a pain to enable even with equivalent swap/RAM.
[01:12] <Eickmeyer> I don't use it, honestly.
[01:13] <OvenWerks> yeah, I started doing a shutdown to save batteries during travel... it took so long to shut down (thankyou snap which for some reason can keep shutdown suspended forever)
[01:14] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm... most recent versions of snapd are supposed to have that fixed.
[01:14] <OvenWerks> I ended up thinking was shutdown, closed the lid which confused it to bits and arived at the other end with a quite warm machiine.
[01:14] <OvenWerks> I had to hold the power button long enough to kill it to get it to do anything
[01:15] <OvenWerks> fixed how long ago?
[01:15] <Eickmeyer> Month or so. You might try running "sudo snap refresh" to see if everything is updated.
[01:16] <OvenWerks> Ug, anothhert pop up that says firefox will update in 13 daysbut no way to update it (with a button click)
[01:17] <Eickmeyer> That's supposed to be fixed with the most recent snapd (fixed this past week)
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> Quit firefox, "sudo snap refresh", open firefox.
[01:18] <OvenWerks> so I guess it will fix itself in 13 days ...
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> Nope. Don't wait that long.
[01:18] <OvenWerks> sudo snap refresh
[01:18] <OvenWerks> [sudo] password for len: 
[01:18] <OvenWerks> All snaps up to date.
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> Is firefox really closed?
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> Like, process exited?
[01:19] <OvenWerks> ah, it is doing something this time
[01:20]  * OvenWerks hopes he doesn't loose his settings this time
[01:20] <Eickmeyer> Shouldn't. Settings are in your home directory, the snap is in /var/snaps
[01:21] <OvenWerks> going from 22.10 to 23.04 did
[01:21] <OvenWerks> Anyway. it seems my settings/bookmarks are still there
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I know, but that seems more like a weird glitch than anything.
[01:24] <OvenWerks> so I should try shutting down some time and see if it shuts down quick. The idea that there should be a delayed shutdown doesn't make sense. Generally people do a shutdown cause they need to go... now not sometime soon.
[01:27] <OvenWerks> Anyway. I am thinking to nuc the windows partition because I have to reset the bios just to use it and the only think not working is the camera. It seems the camera used to work when there was a camera on/off switch (same module) but it doesn't any more because the button to turn it on is no longer there
[01:27] <Eickmeyer> Right. I think that's more of a systemd thing than anything where it's trying to stop daemons and it's getting hung confirming something is stopping because it's not coming back stoped.
[01:28] <OvenWerks>  There must be some way of sending the HW a signal to turn on but it is not important enough to me (my wife would like it :) to worry. Apparently windows has a softswitch to turn it on... a privacy thing.
[01:29] <OvenWerks> so I should have room for a swap.
[01:32]  * OvenWerks notes that the module for the camera does load, so it is detected.