[01:06] <l88l> hi all ive installed a second os and now when i boot there is no grub splash screen showing to select between ubuntu and minux-what to do to fix grub(bios"no uefi required"?
[01:09] <oerheks> see the grub manual, hit esc or an other key
[01:09] <oerheks> !grub
[01:09] <oerheks> if it is not in the list, os-prober is disabled
[01:09] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[01:47] <l88l> ty oerheks
[01:47] <l88l> reading and experimenting now
[03:09] <darwin> in installed two Ubuntu variants and am chrooting into them from another GNU/Linux.  When I do so, it says 'groups: cannot find name for group ID 17 [and ...] group ID 215'.  I looked in /etc/group and these groups don't even exist.  What does this mean.  I am still able to chroot but just want things to work the way they should
[03:12] <oerheks> why chrooting into them from another GNU/Linux ??
[03:12] <oerheks> with an ubuntu iso it should work fine
[04:15] <darwin> because I want to.  Does anyone know the answer?
[04:17] <darwin> someone always has to ask the ridiculous question
[05:24] <Ellis-78> Hello
[05:24] <FragUPlenty> Hello good sir
[05:25] <Ellis-78> 😁
[07:34] <Guest9031> can anyone tell me after installing jdk.deb file how to set Java home and path for all user so that i can access every binary inside jvm's bin folder from terminal 🥴
[07:57] <aref> hi
[08:28] <nojitronic> hey y'all please s1 help me a little i am running ubuntu 22.04 desktop gnome, hav been trying to get my grub2 bootloader screen to display during boot, not getting anywhere and been reading and trying all afternoon
[08:29] <nojitronic> have tried the boot rescue gui
[08:30] <nojitronic> not working
[08:30] <koffeinfriedhof> nojitronic: Try https://askubuntu.com/a/1264130
[08:30] <nojitronic> also tried enable/disable the os prober in /etc/grub/default
[08:32] <koffeinfriedhof> Then it would help if you make a list what you already tried and how the setup looks now. That would be easier on the forums I think. Mention the hardware used and which blobs are needed to run, if it is UEFI or BIOS, etc.
[08:34] <nojitronic> fyi i am using  a mb has no UEFI. I have bios legacy to be clear.
[08:34] <nojitronic> koffeinfriedhof fair enuf will do in a second
[08:34] <quem> on 23.04. weyland has been crashing today, a few times per hour, seemingly unprovoked.
[08:34] <quem> wayland?
[08:34] <quem> hehe
[08:35] <nojitronic> its was me man was having an argy bargy wit wayland from wayback yo
[08:36] <Atque> Does Ubuntu still use Mir by default?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> !mir | Atque
[08:39] <alkisg> Atque, no, GNOME is using wayland by default, the rest are using xorg
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> quem: check your /var/crash to see if wayland showsup there
[08:40] <quem> lotuspsychje: yeah, quite a bit.
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> !bug | quem
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> quem: you can follow the 'crash' bug procedure wich is different from filing regular bugs if you like
[08:41] <quem> all right, will do
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> quem: see also the recently added existing xwayland bugs here; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xwayland/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[09:05] <juwi> lubuntu
[09:11] <l88l> hi all my goal is to be able to boot into either minux linux or ubuntu at boot time, ive installed the Ubuntu 22.04 second but i dont see any grub screen at boot time-Help me please
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> l88l: what you could try is enter recoverymode/grub and collect your grub config into a paste, so the volunteers can take a look at it to help you
[09:23] <alkisg> l88l: you mean that ubuntu boots normally and you just don't see the grub menu?
[09:25] <l88l> sorry got called away for trampoline time with kids
[09:27] <l88l> i dont see a grub screen at all during boot how could i get what you need re infomations for a pastebin? dmesg?
[09:27] <l88l> grep anything in particular
[09:28] <l88l> or is there another log area better suited to inform those in the channel
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> l88l: /etc/default/grub file would be a good start to share in a paste
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !paste | l88l
[09:31] <l88l> https://pastebin.com/1qxwe0wE
[09:32] <l88l> i may have changed the value to true | #GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
[09:33] <l88l> or commented it-cant recall
[09:36] <alkisg> l88l: sudo wget https://gitlab.com/sch-scripts/sch-scripts/-/raw/main/share/sch-scripts/grub.cfg -O /etc/default/grub.d/local.cfg && sudo update-grub
[09:36] <alkisg> Run that ^, then reboot
[09:37] <l88l> i only have one user account  can i just edit the file myself
[09:38] <l88l> and run update-grup after then reboot
[09:38] <alkisg> It's best to create local configuration files rather than change the distribution ones; it avoids prompts on updates
[09:38] <l88l> (goal is to see two linux distros to choose which to boot at boot up time)
[09:38] <l88l> okay will do, why is that (i dont know)
[09:38] <alkisg> If you want to edit grub.cfg instead of create local.cfg, sure, just see the link I pasted, copy the lines, and paste them in grub.cfg
[09:39] <alkisg> Most files in /etc are called "conffiles" and if you change them, then when ubuntu is updated and a new configuration file arrives, you'll see a dialog "how to merge the changes"
[09:39] <alkisg> That's why most packages offer .d directories like /etc/default/grub.d, where you can place your own configuration files without touching the ones shipped by packages
[09:43] <l88l> i see thanks for explaining to me, am about to reboot post changes recommended. if this works i will kiss you through the screen | pining for other os to work along side 22.04
[09:43] <l88l> ciao
[09:43] <alkisg> Hehe, ciao
[09:49] <l88l> bugger it'sa no workies
[09:49] <l88l> https://pastebin.com/LxuTT4u6
[09:50] <l88l> it sees MX-linux but nothing on boot(no grub screen is shown) just boot ubuntu
[09:50] <alkisg> l88l: do you mean that you see the grub menu, but you don't see the other OS there?
[09:50] <l88l> i dont see the menu at all
[09:51] <l88l> straight into ubuntu
[09:51] <alkisg> No grub screen... strange... what if you keep pressing Esc?
[09:51] <l88l> yes
[09:51] <l88l> not tried but will reboot and try now, ty brb
[09:51] <alkisg> Also try with "left shift" held down
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i found a more up to date grub wiki, then the one from the factoid, let me know if you like it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup
[09:54] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: it's well written but it could use an update; some things have changed since 12.04...
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: ok tnx, i saw it was last edited on 2023-04-22 so i wondered
[10:03] <akik> can't ubuntu just get rid of the hidden grub menu? it is causing only problems for debugging
[10:05] <l88l> didn't make a difference man, hitting esc. here is a dmesg paste if it helps https://pastebin.com/juQ6Bsna
[10:05] <l88l> tried the left shift key also, that didnt make the grub screen show either
[10:06] <alkisg> l88l: which OS did you install last? Ubuntu or the other one?
[10:08] <l88l> ubuntu
[10:08] <l88l> 22.04
[10:10] <l88l> might have to format and drop back a version of lts ubuntu to get this boot loader thing sorted
[10:10] <l88l> are you out of ideas
[10:11] <alkisg> l88l: if you boot from a live usb stick, do you see grub there?
[10:16] <bblinky> What's the name of the applet that's used to controll sound, battery and connectivity?
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> bblinky: do you mean the gnome indicator in the right upper corner, or conky widgets?
[10:18] <bblinky> lotuspsychje: gnome-indicator sonds likely
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> bblinky: what are you trying to do exactly?
[10:18] <bblinky> I am experiencing the issue that every time I leave the room with my phone (which is my hotspot) and then come back, I have to go through the menu and go to select network before it rescans and finds the phone again
[10:19] <bblinky> I am wondering if I can set it to be a tad more agressive with the scanning when it's not connected
[10:20] <bblinky> (btw, I am on popOS rn, but I was experiencing the same under ubuntu)
[10:23] <akik> bblinky: android wifi hotspot has a setting for timing-out the hotspot
[10:24] <bblinky> akik: it's not timing out
[10:24] <akik> bblinky: did you try to change it?
[10:25] <bblinky> No, becasue it's not timing out... The widged is just lazy at rescanning
[10:25] <akik> bblinky: yea go change it then
[10:25] <bblinky> Where?
[10:25] <akik> bblinky: android wifi hotspot advanced settings
[10:26] <bblinky> What does it help to make the timeout interval larger if the laptop does not scan for the network until I press the find networks button?
[10:37] <l88l> yes
[10:37] <l88l> i see a grub from a live-boot usb of any distro
[10:38] <l88l> cooking atm so if im a while on the reply, you know why sorry man
[10:42] <l88l> anyone hungry i have the most amazing laksa like chicken hokien noodle recipie-if you help me restore my grub menu its yours
[10:42] <akik> dcc it to me
[10:42] <l88l> takes 45mins to cook feeds ya for two days and is hard to muck it up
[10:43] <akik> l88l: did you edit /etc/default/grub to remove the timeout and hidden values?
[10:51] <l88l> akik, should i have this is what my file looks like at present, https://pastebin.com/mUiVbCj4
[10:54] <akik> l88l: looks fine, no hidden values and the timeout is 10s
[10:55] <akik> l88l: do you have another grub.cfg in the efi esp (/boot/efi) ?
[10:56] <akik> l88l: and did you run update-grub after editing /etc/default/grub ?
[10:57] <l88l> re did i run update-grub=yes, about the second question...im not sure could you walk me through how i could check this
[10:57] <l88l> please
[10:58] <l88l> i have an old motherboard, no UEFI so i think that means i dont need a efi partition
[10:58] <l88l> i am using gpt on the drive
[10:59] <l88l> and primary partitions for the installations if that is relevent
[10:59] <l88l> no swap
[10:59] <l88l> no separate home
[11:00] <l88l> just two debian based OS's mx linux (uses init&sysd if you make it)
[11:00] <l88l> Ubuntu 22.04 and MX.linux wildflower
[11:01] <akik> l88l: check the grub.cfg file in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[11:01] <akik> oops
[11:01] <akik> you are NOT using uefi boot?
[11:02] <akik> l88l: are you now in ubuntu and you're just missing the grub menu?
[11:02] <l88l> correct
[11:03] <l88l> to both questions/statements
[11:03] <akik> l88l: try reinstalling grub with "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX"
[11:03] <l88l> okay
[11:03] <akik> l88l: and after that "sudo update-grub"
[11:03] <akik> if you're booting in bios mode
[11:04] <akik> for uefi the options are different and you don't specify the target device
[11:04] <l88l> says installation finished no errors, roggie ty for explaining...will try a reboot should i run update-grub prior to reboot?
[11:05] <akik> l88l: yes
[11:05] <l88l> https://pastebin.com/Ysd1NQEF
[11:06] <l88l> look alright?
[11:06] <l88l> to reboot now
[11:06] <akik> l88l: wait
[11:06] <l88l> sure
[11:06] <akik> l88l: "Installing for x86_64-efi platform."
[11:06] <akik> l88l: that's for uefi boot
[11:06] <l88l> why does it do that when im legacy only
[11:06] <l88l> i dont have uefi for sure
[11:07] <akik> l88l: do you see something with "sudo ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars" ?
[11:08] <l88l> yes i see this https://pastebin.com/iPLxJVAj
[11:08] <akik> l88l: ok so you have booted in uefi mode :)
[11:09] <l88l> how could i boot in uefi mode (am i missing something) i have an old motherboard and it does not have UEFI (100%sure)
[11:09] <l88l> asus a8ne deluxe
[11:09] <akik> l88l: that dir wouldn't show up if you booted in bios mode
[11:09] <l88l> hang on
[11:10] <l88l> better check that
[11:12] <l88l> Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
[11:13] <akik> l88l: you can see that grub-install found "Found MX 21.3 Wildflower (21.3) on /dev/sda3"
[11:13] <akik> l88l: now it's just a matter of making system use the correct grub config
[11:14] <akik> l88l: for uefi there's another grub.cfg in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[11:14] <akik> l88l: the main one lives in /boot/grub
[11:14] <l88l> okay so are you saying i have an efi file(config) for uefi:that i dont need and another file elsewhere for bios that i do need? sorry for silly question
[11:15] <bblinky> lotuspsychje: I think the "applet" I am talking about might be to the right of the gnome-indicator?
[11:15] <akik> l88l: you're 100% absolutely booting ubuntu in uefi mode
[11:15] <l88l> *legacy bios
[11:15] <l88l> how do i stop booting into uefi mode
[11:16] <akik> l88l: the one in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu is probably a stub file referencing the main grub.cfg in /boot/grub
[11:16] <akik> l88l: i don't know if it's possible once you installed the system
[11:18] <l88l> then what should i make sure to avoid doing in future to avoid this situation in future. I dont know how i got to installing uefi partition (during installation) or how to avoid doing so in future
[11:18] <l88l> sorry that makes no sense, let me re phrase
[11:18] <akik> l88l: when you boot the computer you have to select the non-uefi boot mode
[11:18] <akik> l88l: i mean when you start with the usb stick installer
[11:19] <l88l> i am not presented with an option at boot time like that
[11:19] <akik> l88l: it could be a setting also in your computer's uefi menus
[11:20] <l88l> i only see (install boot-live i mean) install oem install memtest
[11:20] <akik> l88l: uefi boot or uefi boot with csm
[11:20] <l88l> no i don't see those on my boot menus ever
[11:20] <akik> l88l: try pressing f8 when the computer boots up for a boot device menu
[11:20] <l88l> okay
[11:20] <akik> l88l: that could be another key too
[11:21] <akik> maybe f10
[11:21] <l88l> have tried the esc and left shift
[11:21] <l88l> will try F8
[11:21] <l88l> ty
[11:21] <akik> l88l: those are only for grub
[11:21] <l88l> and ten
[11:21] <bblinky> lotuspsychje: https://0x0.st/HPym.png
[11:21] <l88l> sweet
[11:21] <akik> l88l: i mean you should try to make the computer show the boot device menu
[11:21] <l88l> got ya man
[11:21] <l88l> back soon
[11:36] <l88l> no luck, rtfm atm hit me up if you think of anything
[11:37] <l88l> please, and thanks for all your advice all
[11:37] <akik> l88l: go into the uefi menus of the computer, search for uefi setting (or csm) disable uefi and or enable uefi with csm
[11:37] <d-krek> hello there
[11:38] <akik> l88l: ""UEFI with CSM" usually means mixed mode in which both native (UEFI) and CSM-based (BIOS) boot is available."
[11:38] <akik> l88l: then you just need to figure out how to make the computer give you a boot device menu
[11:38] <d-krek> is there life nearby?
[11:38] <akik> l88l: from that menu you can boot the usb stick installer in non-uefi mode
[11:40] <akik> l88l: i have another thing you might be able to change
[11:40] <akik> l88l: change the grub timeout to 30s
[11:40] <akik> l88l: maybe your computer is just slow in showing the grub menu
[11:41] <l88l> kinda feeling like a stubborn stick in the mud that won't listen to reason, but i assure you i know what bios and uefi are and have seen both during boot time on various machines at labs (skool) vs home i have old skool legacy bios without the option to choose a boot mode
[11:41] <akik> l88l: another option is to uncomment "GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console" in grub config
[11:41] <l88l> will try those two things man =)
[11:54] <l88l> akik, you the man you fix'd it
[11:54] <l88l> thank you very much
[11:55]  * l88l smiles, yells hooray and backflips almost =)
[11:56] <Catch25> Hi, I run linux ubuntu on my laptop but am trying to make a windows 10 usb for a friend, i downloaded the windows 10 iso, how do i create the usb stick?
[11:57] <akik> l88l: the grub options fixed it? you're still booting in uefi mode :)
[11:57] <l88l> learn to use lsblk to list your drives or Disk's then use a command like dd to copy the windows iso to an usb
[11:57] <akik> dd doesn't work for the windows iso
[11:58] <AlexC> woeusb
[11:59] <l88l> you need to dd if="".iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress or use etcher and dont risk deleting your main ssd drive with operating system on it in the process cuz you chose the wrong sdX (usually sdb, not always)
[12:00] <akik> Catch25: you can also create it manually if woeusb doesn't work https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2020/04/25/how-to-create-a-bootable-uefi-gpt-windows-10-usb-stick-in-ubuntu/
[12:00] <l88l> etcher app image is a prettty safe option and keeps it simple AlexC
[12:00] <akik> l88l: dd won't work with the windows iso
[12:00] <AlexC> etcher didn't work for me either for win isos in the past
[12:01] <l88l> really
[12:01] <l88l> etcher works for sure
[12:01] <l88l> why is that
[12:02] <Nezha> hi
[12:02] <l88l> barely social here just tell me your problems
[12:02] <l88l> lols
[12:03] <akik> l88l: you're just hyped up with that grub menu of your's :)
[12:03] <l88l> lols "Ubuntu is like theropy"
[12:03] <l88l> my oath
[12:03] <l88l> i am
[12:03] <l88l> lols
[12:03] <l88l> i love you man
[12:03] <akik> don't love me too much ma
[12:03] <akik> man
[12:04] <akik> pc hardware is so diverse the the defaults just don't work for every setup
[12:28] <l88l> =)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hello, is there a tool that converts xinpit's Synaptics commands to libinput ones? I have this script: https://paste.debian.net/1278983/ - but it's not recognizing the Synaptics commands because I have libinput drivers installed: https://paste.debian.net/1278985/
[13:18] <alain> bonjour
[13:19] <wee> Salut.
[13:20] <TheCh0sen> Hello everyone!
[13:21] <TheCh0sen> I Recently "Distro-Hopped" to Ubuntu 23.04
[13:21] <TheCh0sen> And it's awesome! i like it!
[13:21] <TheCh0sen> however...
[13:22] <TheCh0sen> I Have a problem when running any 32-Bit program, The CPU usage goes above 100%
[13:22] <TheCh0sen> is this a common problem? is there a fix? Thanks in advance.
[13:24] <TheCh0sen> Hello??
[13:24] <alkisg> TheCh0sen: you need to wait
[13:25] <alkisg> IRC isn't instant. You state your issue,then wait a few minutes for the answer (and up to days some times :))
[13:25] <ravage> Never heard of such a problem
[13:25] <TheCh0sen> I See.. Thanks, But i thought my internet connection is terrible :)
[13:25] <alkisg> Also, mention an example, which 32bit program,do you mean inside wine?
[13:25] <TheCh0sen> wine or native, any 32-bit program
[13:26] <TheCh0sen> Counter-strike source, regexbuddy on wine
[13:26] <TheCh0sen> many more...
[13:26] <TheCh0sen> if you need my specs i can send you what you need
[13:27] <alkisg> I just downloaded https://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/1.30.0-i686/busybox, chmod +x busybox, and ran: busybox ash
[13:28] <alkisg> No cpu usage at all
[13:28] <alkisg> So it sounds like application specific; unfortunately I don't have the apps you mention. Find the smallest possible way to reproduce the issue, it'll help others to see what you see
[13:29] <alkisg> (or, you try busybox too; if you do see cpu usage with it, something's wrong)
[13:29] <TheCh0sen> Ok I'll try...
[13:34] <TheCh0sen> Dammit, you were right. It's app specific
[13:35] <jhutchins> TheCh0sen: How much CPU do these applications take on native Windows?
[13:35] <TheCh0sen> downloaded same busybox version ran same command
[13:35] <TheCh0sen> Really low cpu usage on windows
[13:36] <TheCh0sen> e.g. 20% Maximum for CS Source
[13:37] <alkisg> CS source runs under wine?
[13:37] <TheCh0sen> I Should note that I have the native version of the game, and that didn't happen with any other distro based on ubuntu 20.04
[13:37] <TheCh0sen> No it's 32-bit native executable
[13:37] <alkisg> Are you using wayland?
[13:38] <TheCh0sen> yup
[13:38] <alkisg> Try on xorg
[13:38] <TheCh0sen> tried, nothing different
[13:39] <alkisg> Check your GPU usage in "other distros" vs "23.04". If there's no GPU usage in 23.04, it'll expain things (software emulation)
[14:08] <Guest784> accidentally discovered that the sleep function works on my macbook, but, it is very slow to start back up, is there any way to figure out whats slowing it down?
[14:08] <Guest784> (using ubuntu/bhodi obv, not macos)
[14:10] <mort> Hey, so 'lsb_release -a' says I'm on Ubuntu 23.04; but `do-release-upgrade -d` says upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release. I thought I was on the latest supported release?
[14:14] <Guest784> or, does wake from sleep require a specific key maybe? I'm tapping enter/space/mousepad and power
[15:06] <icedwater> Hi all, would it be a good idea to uninstall mysqld on Ubuntu 22.04?
[15:06] <icedwater> Well, 20.04.6 on DigitalOcean, but I'm just not sure which system services depend on it
[15:07] <atoms> did you install something like LAMP?
[15:13] <jhutchins> Guest544: Most of that is a matter of hardware, and what actual "sleep" mode it's in.  Suspend-to-RAM should recover within a few seconds.  Suspend-to-disk takes more time to read the image from the drive.
[15:14] <jhutchins> Guest544: Some systems, notably networking, rely on a response from the local router or DHCP server, which may add a delay.
[15:14] <jhutchins> icedwater: It would be a better idea to learn why it's installed and what services might use it.
[15:15] <jhutchins> icedwater: I would guess that Digital Ocean expects to support a CMS like wordpress or drupal or some other LAMP stack.
[15:16] <jhutchins> icedwater: Next to web servers in general, database servers are probably the most common server role.
[15:17] <jhutchins> icedwater: If MySQL isn't actively providing a specific service, it's probably not using much in the way of resources.
[15:26] <icedwater> jhutchins: yes, I tried systemctl list-dependencies --all --reverse and it seems to only show multiuser/graphical mode
[15:31] <jhutchins> icedwater: So it's probably there to support future configuration of a LAMP system.
[15:31] <jhutchins> icedwater: What are you using this server for?
[15:43] <Guest94> Hi
[15:43] <Guest94> How do i enable auto login on Ubuntu server 22.04 LTS arm64 running on a raspberry pi, without GUI installed
[15:43] <icedwater> jhutchins: I used it to host a website once, but I moved that to another server. I may consider another website in future, but it's likely I'll use flat files
[15:45] <icedwater> It just seems to be sitting on 17% of memory, I'm trying to halve it to move to a smaller instance
[15:45] <icedwater> halve memory capacity, that is
[15:47] <TheCh0sen> Ok I'm back
[15:47] <TheCh0sen> Sorry I'm late
[15:48] <TheCh0sen> I checked the GPU Usage on 23.04 and it is high
[15:49] <TheCh0sen> I couldn't recheck on any other distros because I don't have them installed anymore
[15:50] <TheCh0sen> BTW I Have an Intel Haswell GPU & The issue didn't occur before hopping to ubuntu
[15:51] <TheCh0sen> all my previous distros were ubuntu 20.04 based
[15:51] <TheCh0sen> those were linux mint 20 and zorin os 16
[16:10] <itu> in $gerät mit WLAN kann ich einstellen es unsichtbar zu machen  ([x] "Hide AP")  - ist sowas wirksam?
[16:16] <itu> sorry, wrong channel ..
[16:50] <CS-Codes> Hi, I recently downloaded Lunar-desktop-arm64.iso on a Virtual Machine - haven't seen this before with other distro's, but Lunar-desktop requires a username/password to login. I've tried a few different combo's I've found online but nothing has worked so far - any help here is appreciated:)
[16:57] <alkisg> CS-Codes: do you have the link to the download link for that .iso? It sounds strange
[16:57] <alkisg> *s/the link//
[16:59] <CS-Codes> Yep - https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ It's a live build
[17:02] <alkisg> Any reason you didn't select the final iso, and you're using a daily build?
[17:02] <alkisg> (btw, try ubuntu/ubuntu)
[17:04] <CS-Codes> yep, unfortunately no ISO available with LTS release for ARM64 that I can find so stuck with the dailies - let me know if you find one however, would much prefer to use that
[17:06] <CS-Codes> And unfortunately ubuntu/ubuntu doesn't work:(
[17:08] <alkisg> Can you modify the command line? If so, add init=/bin/bash, and set a root password from there, and continue with exec /sbin/init
[17:09] <kostkon> CS-Codes, I'm currently using 20.04lts arm64 on a RPi 4 so I'm not really sure what you mean
[17:11] <CS-Codes> I have an M1 Chip, ARM architecture, and am using VMWare fusion - the only setup that has LTS in this case would be to use the Ubuntu Server for ARM https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm which I also have setup, then too download Ubuntu desktop with 'sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop' from what i've found.
[17:11] <jhutchins> CS-Codes: Default user is "ubuntu".  Password is empty.  Easy to find on the web.
[17:11] <CS-Codes> Also doesn't work jhutchins
[17:12] <kostkon> CS-Codes, oh M1 is a completely different story I guess
[17:13] <jhutchins> CS-Codes: I'm not going to go through all 35,800,000 results for you.  You could add details of your build to the search, or look for info on the site you downloaded it from.
[17:13] <jhutchins> !live
[17:13] <jhutchins> Good ol' braindead bot.
[17:16] <CS-Codes> jhutchins that's a very specific number haha - I did do my fair share of research before asking, I think adding a user via command line might be a good strategy - is there a way to do this in a virtualized env. with a desktop image already booted that you know of alkisg ?
[17:18] <alkisg> CS-Codes: if it's already booted, it's supposed to be safe so you shouldn't be able to log in if it's locked and asking for a password
[17:18] <akik> CS-Codes: i think somebody else had this problem too with arm vm
[17:18] <alkisg> While if you boot it with init=/bin/bash, then you can add the root user, and later on you can login as root and reset the password for any live users there are
[17:19] <akik> CS-Codes: this is all i got about it: https://gist.github.com/Simon-L/b52686269d1d9a3af7feba9eebc672ff
[17:19] <Guest46> join #russia
[17:32] <CS-Codes> Appreciate the insight here akik and alkisg , will be doing a bit more testing to see if I can find a working solution - seems Ubuntu + M1 chip don't play super nice yet
[17:33] <beloveddickhead> disconn
[18:38] <Jym> I want to dd to a USB hdd. How can I determine consistantly it's the correct USB HDD (no matter where it's plugged into?
[18:39] <ravage> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:40] <ravage> but if you dd over the whole device that will not the same afterwards anymore
[18:42] <Jym> ravage Basically, I want the usb hdd bootable "duplicate" if the internal hdd. any thoughts?
[18:42] <Jym> s/if/of/
[18:43] <Jym> This is for someone that has ZERO technical skills
[18:43] <ravage> and what is the purpose of that duplicate disk?
[18:43] <Jym> IF the internal hdd fails, just plugin the usb hdd and boot,
[18:45] <ravage> ok but you would have to do that on a regular basis then?
[18:45] <Jym> internal hdd or even the HW fails, could still goto any PC and boot from the ext hdd
[18:45] <ravage> also not a great idea to do on a running system
[18:46] <Jym> I do realize not a good idea on a running system, but it was done on the servers when I worked at a datacenter. We would just remove the defective hdd, swap cables, and install a new hdd, it actually worked and kept things simple.
[18:47] <Jym> ...surprisingly, lol
[18:48] <Jym> I'd probably dd once a week
[18:50] <ravage> i guess you could use udev to detect a usb block devices added
[18:50] <ravage> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/229987/udev-rule-to-match-any-usb-storage-device
[18:51] <ravage> maybe you can find some additional parameters to identify that special hdd
[18:52] <ravage> https://serverfault.com/questions/844109/why-does-udevadm-not-provide-me-a-disk-serial-number-when-hdparm-can answer 2 maybe
[18:53] <ravage> but you would just have to test that
[18:53] <Jym> Thank you, appreciate it =)
[18:54] <Jym> stuuuupid usb moving stuff around on me, lol
[18:55] <Jym> Hmmm, it looks like usb drives does not like reading/writing to itself at the same time, lmao
[18:55] <Jym> drive*
[19:06] <jhutchins> Moving files within a storage device doesn['t usually involve any movement of data.  You just change the indexing.
[19:51] <solsTiCe> hi. when I press the meta key to get the "headsup" gui, and search for a snap, none shows up. why?
[19:56] <kiefer> Hi there! Quick question, is it possible to use Hibernate with SecureBoot on Ubuntu 23? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting answers online, and I haven't been able to get it to work myself yet.
[20:10] <ravage> solsTiCe: that only shows installed applications. if you want to look for installable software there is "Ubuntu Software" or for snaps you can also use https://snapcraft.io
[20:13] <solsTiCe> you tell me snaps are not first class app on ubuntu? looking for a flatpak, just shows up
[20:18] <ravage> they should show up in Ubuntu Software
[20:19] <mantise> !eggdrop
[20:26] <solsTiCe> oh yes. it's my own snap that I installed with '--dangerous' from local file that does not
[20:27] <ravage> It should
[20:27] <ravage> Mine do at least
[20:27] <solsTiCe> by the way, I have that error: Can't update "snap store": (null): cannot refresh "snap-store" nspa "snap-store" has running apps(snap-store), pifs 3004" when I try to update
[20:27] <oerheks> Some problems to fix then, solsTiCe, ' it's my own snap '
[20:28] <ravage> Kill that process
[20:28] <ravage> Try again
[20:29] <ravage> Updating running desktop snaps is still not a great experience
[20:29] <Guest27> does applications on kde use ram than GNOME 😟
[20:29] <oerheks> Guest27, cannot compare, kde and gnome apps are different
[20:30] <Guest27> 🤔🤔🤔
[20:30] <oerheks> only one way to find out; test yourself?
[20:34] <solsTiCe> so what's wrong with my snap, then?
[20:35] <ravage> probably the .desktop file part?
[20:35] <solsTiCe> is it only because it is not from snapcraft.io/some snap store
[20:36] <oerheks> 1. without details, how would we know what is wrong?
[20:38] <oerheks> you might want to seek help in #snappy
[21:37] <Bardon> Hello, I'm having this issue after upgrading to 23.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/2017212
[21:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017212 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "ASUS N56VM fails to load GUI fresh install of Ubuntu 23.04" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[21:37] <Bardon> How hard it is to downgrade back to 22.10?
[21:38] <Bardon> Ah, just change the repo and sudo apt dist-upgrade? Hmm but it might be unstable
[21:38] <Bardon> so, unstable vs broken..
[21:38] <Jeremy31> Fresh install of 22.10 or 22.04 would be better
[21:38] <genii> There is no downgrade, if you want to revert you have to install it
[21:38] <Bardon> Hmm, right
[21:38] <genii> !downgrade
[21:39] <Bardon> So backup, format and reinstall I guess
[21:39] <Bardon> Thanks
[21:39] <jhutchins> Bardon: I suppose "restore backup" is out of the question.
[21:40] <Bardon> What do you mean by "restore backup"? Is it a fancy feature to automatically restore data?
[21:41] <Bardon> I was more thinking of something like copying /home/ and pasting it in the new install
[21:41] <Bardon> which should be enough
[21:41] <jhutchins> Bardon: Except for the (hidden) configuration dotfiles which may have been upgraded to new incompatible formats.
[21:42] <Bardon> Right
[21:42] <jhutchins> Bardon: Yes, restore backup is a fancy feature to restore data.  It requires making regular backups, particularly if you're changing/upgrading the system.
[21:42] <Bardon> I'll be able to manage that :)
[21:43] <akik> Bardon: for the next time you could check out btrfs and its snapshots (can snapshot the whole os installation)
[21:43] <Bardon> Ah right, I see a "backup" software in my software list. I wasn't aware of it
[21:44] <Bardon> akik: hmm, interesting, I'll check it out
[21:44] <Bardon> Thanks, bbye!
[23:29] <Tempter> hello, I want to use Ubuntu in my Python program, but im executing my Python program on Windows is it possible?
[23:29] <ravage> Ubuntu is an OS
[23:29] <Tempter> I'd like to import Ubuntu so I can use everything
[23:29] <Tempter> ravage: yes I know that
[23:29] <ravage> so how would you import that in python? it is not a loadable module
[23:29] <Tempter> and no, I don't want to use docker
[23:30] <Tempter> that would defeat purpose for my use case
[23:30] <Tempter> ravage: yes, that is my question
[23:30] <Tempter> I couldn't find a way
[23:31] <Tempter> I just want to programmatically access ubuntu functionality without running the entire OS
[23:31] <Tempter> from my Python program
[23:31] <kostkon> Tempter, you are left with one last choice: WSL2
[23:32] <Tempter> kostkon: thought about it, but don't like the 2 in the name, is a bad naming scheme
[23:32] <Tempter> and it restricts where I can run my program
[23:32] <Tempter> plus the end user may not want to go through all the steps to install that
[23:34] <kostkon> Tempter, turn your appliaction into a saas service. That way you can run it in Ubuntu
[23:42] <Tempter> kostkon: that might work