[01:28] <mackeral> hello
[01:31] <mackeral> mmikowski: FWIW, I tried out your suggestions on fixing the multi-monitor blackout bug and am experiencing some weird behavior. 1/3 monitor still blanks out but sometimes comes back on or flickers when moving windows across, and the 'primary' display no longer defaults with the panel but switches it over next door
[01:31] <mmikowski> hi mackeral, now how's that for service :)
[01:32] <mackeral> hey mmikowski, how are you doing?
[01:32] <mmikowski> hey, alright! Busy working...
[01:33] <mmikowski> So I was just looking up the suggestions by scrolling back here.
[01:34] <mackeral> basically tried upgrading the kernel
[01:34] <mmikowski> So, getting back up to speed here, the screens wouldn't fully "come back" after the system goes to sleep.
[01:34] <mackeral> they have issues
[01:35] <mmikowski> There were some other issues that we discussed, but that is the primary one. A secondary one was HDMI in general.
[01:35] <mackeral> moving the panel from center was the most annoying, but I think I can survive
[01:35] <mmikowski> Er, sorry, not HDMI in general, I mean sound-over-HDMI.
[01:35] <mackeral> just thought it was interesting
[01:36] <mackeral> oh yea, I havn't touched the sound over HDMI. It has always just been so much easier to use my speakers
[01:36] <mmikowski> So I *have* seen this before and supported multiple customers where external displays do not fully recover after waking.
[01:36] <mackeral> oh im not a customer Im just a bum
[01:36] <mackeral> :)
[01:37] <mmikowski> The interesting thing about all these cases was that it could occur anywhere in the display stack.
[01:37] <mmikowski> That is it could be the monitor itself, or the cable, or the driver.
[01:38] <mmikowski> And there is some interplay there too. For example, the Nvidia 5.20 drivers (IIRC) fixed a similar issue with some, but when upgrading to 5.25, the issue returned.
[01:38] <mackeral> well I bought the monitors piece meal cause I din't know if I could drive 'em all, so I first test out a 2 monitor setup on the intel driver
[01:38] <mmikowski> The most success I have seen has been with swapping out the cables.
[01:38] <mackeral> and experienced the same thing, but I made no note of the cables
[01:39] <mackeral> hmm
[01:39] <mackeral> could give it a try
[01:39] <mmikowski> You might try with just your "best" cable first. That means *not* HDMI, if you can.
[01:39] <mmikowski> DisplayPort has higher bandwidth and generally provides the best connection.
[01:39] <mackeral> yea I only have one of those
[01:39] <mmikowski> fwiw, it can also transmit sound like HDMI.
[01:40] <mmikowski> So does the issue ever occur on the DP cable monitor?
[01:40] <mmikowski> well, that's actually kinda besides the point, now that I think about it.
[01:40] <mackeral> I am not sure...
[01:41] <mackeral> yea I dunno why that would move the default panel default location
[01:41] <mmikowski> Yeah, and this is not that the display doesn't come back, it's that the wallpaper goes away.
[01:42] <mmikowski> Have you tried setting your primary display?
[01:42] <mackeral> yea I just did that, well I set it to the left monitor so as to get the panel back on the middle one
[01:42] <mmikowski> System Settings > Displays, then click on the most "stable" display and you should see an option to set it as the "Primary" display.
[01:43] <mmikowski> Ah, yes, so at least now you don't lose the panel when the center screen loses the background and other plasma decorations.
[01:43] <mmikowski> right?
[01:43] <mackeral> yep
[01:43] <mackeral> well originally i never lost the panel, which is why I mentioned it
[01:43] <mmikowski> oh
[01:44] <mackeral> or had any kind of update issues when moving windows, so I just thought the guys and gals were developing
[01:44] <mmikowski> So a couple of ideas: try higher-quality cables if you have some around.
[01:45] <mackeral> that is easy enough
[01:48] <mmikowski> You could also inspect your refresh rates and make sure they are all equal (say at 60 Hz). This sort of thing, again, is a sort of race condition between hardware and Plasma. I've seen just swapping out from an HDMI cable to a display port cable completely fix it.
[01:48] <mackeral> i think they are at 85,85,100 lemme check
[01:49] <mackeral> hmm
[01:49] <mackeral> no the utility wont let me access the displyport monitor
[01:49] <mackeral> now
[01:51] <mackeral> well anyways, it is 85 on the hdmi and 100 for the dp
[01:51] <mmikowski> The last check would be to run 5.27.x. Probably the easiest way to test that is to download Kubuntu 23.04 on USB and run that on a live USB. If it works there, then an upgrade to 5.27 is a potential soluiton.
[01:52] <mmikowski> hmm, IME, mixed refresh rates can definitely cause quirkiness :)
[01:52] <mackeral> brb
[01:52] <mmikowski> nw, I gotta run right now.
[01:52] <mmikowski> ttyl
[01:56] <mackeral> they are all set at 85 now, see if it has much affect.
[01:58] <mackeral> not quite sure why the panel placement had to change though
[01:59] <mackeral> ah now there are some new issues...
[01:59] <mackeral> is there any easy way to quit x and restart?
[01:59] <mackeral> runlevel3
[02:00] <mackeral> in kubuntu
[02:00] <mackeral> ?
[02:00] <mackeral> or you always boot into gui?
[02:26] <mmikowski> telinit
[02:27] <mmikowski> or logout and back in.
[03:37] <leaftype> evenin
[07:02] <user|99> hi~
[07:03] <user|99> I have been having sleep/hibernate freezing with 22.04 LTS.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[15:17] <johnandmegh> Hi, just wanted to say thank you to all the folks who put together Kubuntu - this has really been a great experience combining the base of Ubuntu with the KDE ecosystem, it feels really modern and polished yet approachable - it's very much appreciated!
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[16:28] <yuesbeez> how to fix 'This was likely caused by: * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu Please use the tool 'ppa-purge' from the ppa-purge package to remove software from a Launchpad PPA and try the upgrade again.' when doing release upgrade. here is my /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log https://termbin.com/ibve
[16:54] <alkisg> yuesbeez: grep -r . /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:43] <yuesbeez> alkisg https://termbin.com/zqsu
[17:53] <oerheks> long time i see so many ppa's ..
[17:53] <oerheks> and system76-dev makes it not ubuntu, they change ubuntu to the core.
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[19:53] <Guest3539> why is compositing so buggy on kde
[21:45] <mmikowski> Guest3539: Buggy how?
[21:46] <mmikowski> fwiw, bugs can occur anywhere in the stack. IME, driver installation ease is Intel > AMD > Nvidia.
[21:46] <mmikowski> But once the drivers are installed, the stability and reliability of the drivers goes Nvidia > Intel > AMD.
[21:47] <mmikowski> Although I don't have too much recent AMD driver experience, ymmv.
[21:47] <mmikowski> So what you might be seeing is KDE compositing errors on one of those that are not present on others.
[21:48] <mmikowski> IME, both 5.24.x and 5.27.x are pretty stable on Nvidia; a bit less on Intel.
[21:56] <Guest3539> all i know is that when i disable compositing i get better performance
[21:56] <Guest3539> im using xorg
[23:32] <mmikowski> Guest3539: Sorry, afkb for a while there :)
[23:32] <mmikowski> Do you know what driver you are using? AMD / Intel / Nvidia?
[23:32] <Guest3539> 525
[23:33] <Guest3539> nvidia
[23:33] <mmikowski> You can also do some tweaks to improve compositor performance.
[23:33] <mmikowski> Guest3539 are you on a laptops?
[23:33] <Guest3539> nope
[23:33] <Guest3539> well i just disabled compositor
[23:33] <mmikowski> ok, so NV is driving the display. Hmmf, generally have had great success with that here. Actually typing on a desktop system with 525 drivers right now.
[23:34] <Guest3539> i dont know my hardware is bad
[23:34] <mmikowski> ah, just to be sure, try this.
[23:34] <mmikowski> glxinfo |grep -i nvidia
[23:34] <Guest3539> my cpu is still at 70% with firefox and a few apps opened
[23:35] <mmikowski> Wow, that's huge.
[23:35] <Guest3539> I dont understand why
[23:35] <Guest3539> and thats without compositor
[23:35] <mmikowski> Min is around 2-5% with tons of stuff open (many tabs, IDE, gimp, etc).
[23:35] <mmikowski> *mine
[23:36] <Guest3539> with compositor active its even worse, the animations of kde become noticeably slow and just right clicking on something takes a second to display
[23:36] <mmikowski> Sound like low memory or disk space?
[23:36] <Guest3539> i have 15gb of ram
[23:36] <Guest3539> 16*
[23:36] <mmikowski> What GPU do you have (e.g. Nvidia 1060, etc)
[23:37] <mmikowski> Ram should be plenty.
[23:37] <mmikowski> what does df show? Is it near 100%?
[23:37] <mmikowski> That will make the system extra crashy if it is.
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[23:37] <Guest3539> what is df?
[23:37] <mmikowski> that shows disk space.
[23:37] <mmikowski> Just type in to a terminal
[23:38] <Guest3539> df is 1% everywhere and 22% for sda2
[23:38] <mmikowski> Also, please try the glxinfo |grep -i nvidia. If that doesn't show nvidia, then you are likely running a different driver.
[23:38] <mmikowski> Well then disk space is not an issue.
[23:38] <Guest3539> https://pastebin.com/RHLSZ7RU
[23:39] <Guest3539> so my cpu goes from 20% to 70% to 8% in a matter of seconds
[23:39] <mmikowski> hmmm, that's a great GPU. It should perform very well.
[23:39] <mmikowski> What version of kubuntu?
[23:40] <Guest3539> 23.04
[23:40] <mmikowski> IRRC, you're running X11.
[23:40] <mmikowski> Right?
[23:40] <Guest3539> yes
[23:40] <Guest3539> kubuntu shipped with x11 by default
[23:40] <mmikowski> Right
[23:40] <mmikowski> But I gotta ask :)
[23:40] <Guest3539> yep
[23:40] <mmikowski> lots of folks swap out.
[23:40] <mmikowski> What is the CPU?
[23:41] <Guest3539> i5 5th gen
[23:41] <Guest3539> its a few years old
[23:41] <mmikowski> yeah, that's pokey, but our office server runs great on that too.
[23:41] <mmikowski> Have you looked at Htop?
[23:42] <Guest3539> nope but i looked at kde system monitor
[23:42] <mmikowski> sudo apt install htop -y && htop
[23:42] <mmikowski> well either should give you insight into what's chewing up the cpu.
[23:42] <mmikowski> My guess is if you fix that, then compositing and everything will be less crashy.
[23:43] <mmikowski> If you are looking for just works, I highly suggest using 22.04 LTS.
[23:43] <mmikowski> I've gotta get back to work, but I hope that helps.
[23:43] <Guest3539> when my mouse is on system monitor, cpu is at 3% when my mouse is on konversation cpu goes up to 30%
[23:45] <Pokey> mmikowski: helo am intel 5th gen i5
[23:46] <Pokey> :>
[23:46] <mmikowski> haha, sorry pokey! That was an odd coincidence :P
[23:46] <Pokey> You aren't the first
[23:46] <Pokey> Won't be the last
[23:46] <mmikowski> Yeah, I bet!
[23:46] <mmikowski> At least your handle isn't 'the'
[23:47] <Pokey> I mean that's just asking for it
[23:48] <mmikowski> Exactly.
[23:49] <mmikowski> Guest3539: Sorry I have to run, but hopefully those ideas help.
[23:49] <mmikowski> Pokey, I'll see you around too :)
[23:49] <Pokey> Cya!