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Guest28Hello I want to install something heavy but I don't want to pollute the global workspace what is the best way to create some kind of virtual thin layer so that I can expriment freely without having applications installed as root00:07
gryGuest28: the two options that i know of are chroot or a vm00:09
tekisuihello00:12
tekisuisince my update from 18.04 to 20 and beyond00:13
tekisuinvidia doesn´t remember the screen setting anymore when i try to lower it.00:13
jhutchinstekisui: Which release are you actually on now?00:15
tekisui22.04.200:16
tekisuilubuntu00:16
tekisui20 was totally broke00:16
tekisui18 was good but i red it is oing to be out of service soon..00:16
jhutchinstekisui: Right.00:16
tekisuiand all these snaps seem to break the system too ?00:17
tekisuii think ubuntu just introduced it..00:17
jhutchinstekisui: Which nvidia driver are you using?00:17
tekisuiit´s a pretty old pc00:17
tekisuii got an idea i will try sudo the nvidia settings but i have to fill in the size manually00:18
tekisuinvidia driver 39000:18
tekisui(gf108-gforce gt350)00:18
tekisuiam scared i broke it a few times before00:20
tekisuiis there a way to acces the settings ?00:20
tekisuiin grub or something ?00:20
jhutchinstekisui: Bacups?00:20
tekisuimostly i restart lubuntu 14 from an usb stick00:20
jhutchinstekisui: Yeah, you can edit the files if you mount the main drive.00:20
tekisuiok that´s a start00:21
tekisuijust sudo gedit ?00:21
jhutchinstekisui: Yeah, if you have it mounted.00:21
tekisuiok..00:22
jhutchinstekisui: You're really outside my knowledge with this, I just thought I'd get some of the necessary info out here.00:22
tekisuiwill 18 be in service for another long time ?00:22
tekisuiok..00:22
tekisuimerci00:22
jhutchinstekisui: I think 18 goes out of support in a month.00:22
tekisuioh ok00:22
tekisuired you can have a few more years email suport or something00:23
tekisuididn´t quite understood it00:23
tekisuiExtended Security Maintenance (ESM)*00:24
tekisuisays it should last untill 202800:24
tekisuiah well this works so far00:24
Bashing-omtekisui: "gt350" >> 340 version driver == Nvidia no longer offers support: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases // and last release that ubuntu supported is 20.04: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .00:32
tomreyntekisui: *l*ubuntu 18.04 has been out of support for 2 years00:32
tomreynubuntu 18.04 is out of support now (unless ESM)00:32
tekisuiah..00:32
tekisuiso it´s better to use xorg ?00:33
tomreyndue to what Bashing-om just posted, legacy nvidia graphics chipset, you'll probably need to use nouveau if you'll run current *ubuntu releases00:33
tomreyn!nvidia00:33
ubottuDrivers for Nvidia graphics cards: (A) No gaming/CAD/CUDA needed or legacy hardware? Use "nouveau" (open source, lacks many features). (B) Otherwise, "nvidia" (proprietary driver, fully featured). Install using "ubuntu-drivers" CLI or apt - not from nvidia.com. Driver series, hardware support (release notes): https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ - Latest drivers !PPA: https://pad.lv/ppa/graphics-drivers00:33
tomreynyou're case A there00:34
tekisuiah with xorg i need to tune ¨tearfree again¨00:35
tekisuii hope it´s possible00:35
tomreyni would assume xorg is the better option with nvidia *proprietary* drivers still, not sure about nouveau (likely, too).00:36
tomreyni should say "drivers by nvidia corporations" (both thier proprietary and the 'open' drivers)00:37
tekisuiok..00:37
tekisuimerci00:39
tekisuihave a good day00:39
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Macerhi. can someone point me in the direction as to why nautilus wouldn't have any allowed protocols for connecting to network drives?04:23
Macerthe help bubble doesn't show any and typing smb:// just gives me a red address and a connect button that is grayed out04:23
lotuspsychje!samba | Macer04:48
ubottuMacer: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/samba-introduction04:48
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LuckyManwill 24.04 be an LTS?08:56
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: yes08:56
LuckyMan:-)08:57
skarpwhere is latest nvidia drivers???09:46
LiowenexDead09:48
Liowenexskarp, sudo apt-get install nvidia-525-dkms09:49
skarpLiowenex thanks will try09:51
Liowenex:)09:51
skarpE: Unable to locate package nvidia-525-dkms09:51
LiowenexHave you tried using the additional drivers page in Software sources?09:52
skarpyes using nvidia driver version on system 525.105.17 on nvidia site 525.116.0309:54
LiowenexThen you don't need a new one, do you?09:55
skarpI want 525.116.0309:56
skarplatest09:56
LiowenexTough.09:57
LiowenexLinux doesn't get as much love as Windows from NVIDIA.09:57
LiowenexYou'll have to wait.09:57
LiowenexIt's a small update, it'll get added to the repositories on Ubuntu eventually.09:58
skarpI just feel little bit mislead when i installed said latest nvidia drivers :)09:59
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skarpLiowenex I see 240hz is missing09:59
LiowenexYour eyes literally can't even see that!!!10:00
skarpin general nvidia and linux is pain :)10:01
LiowenexYou're wrong, Linux is excellent, and unless you have another question you should move this to #ubuntu-offtopic10:01
skarpcannot agree on windows animation more fluid10:01
EriC^^skarp: sometimes nvidia has the latest drivers from their website10:02
LiowenexThe first mistake people like you make is that you expect Linux to work and behave exactly like Windows, exactly the way you want it to, right out of the box10:02
LiowenexThe world doesn't work that way10:02
skarplinux excellent if hardware fully supported if not just annoying10:02
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tekisuihello11:10
tekisuii have lubuntu 22.04 with an nvidia video card11:10
tekisuican i configure the ¨xorg¨ window for tearfree somehow ?11:10
tekisuior manual set up tearfree for the nvidia driver ?11:15
tarzeautekisui: which nvidia card? which driver version?11:15
tekisuijesus i been struggling with this for years now11:15
tekisuihello tarzeau11:16
tekisuigeforce gt53011:16
tarzeautekisui: i googled, did you try this? https://www.makeuseof.com/fix-screen-tearing-on-linux/11:16
tekisuiit´s a pretty old pc11:16
tekisuiok thanks i will try11:16
tekisuimaybe i need to edit some xorg.conf again, but sometimes it breaks11:17
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tekisuiAT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address:11:22
tekisuii can ignore this message ?11:22
ograunless you are handicapped and need any accessibility technology (AT) ...11:23
tekisuiahh ok..11:23
tekisuithanks11:23
tekisuigoodday11:25
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tyklingI have a 22.04 server which is uptodate with the latest packages as of right now, I want to be able to recreate a server just like it in the future, with the exact same versions. Can I list and download all the installed packages and use that to install the new server?11:34
tarzeautykling: not really, but you could clone the machine11:42
tarzeautykling: or just reinstall the same packages11:42
tyklinghah :) clone the machine, good one11:42
tarzeauthe disk11:42
tyklingyeah, no11:43
tarzeauyes11:43
tyklingyes that is not what I am looking for11:43
tyklingI need apt to tell me which versions are installed in a format I can then use to install the same versions again11:43
tarzeaui often use echo $(dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{print $2}')11:43
tarzeauyou get the same versions automatically if you turn off phased updates, and use a released version of ubuntu lts11:44
tarzeauunless, well if you don't upgrade the machine for security updates?11:44
tyklingphased updates, I'll need to look up what that is11:45
ravageyep. the version should always be the latest available anyway11:45
tyklingI was just going to disable all the apt sources and use a local directory with debs as the repo11:45
tarzeautykling: i've got a helper to get rid of it: https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/config.sys/ubuntu-remove-phased-updates11:46
ravageand do clone the packages there is https://linuxprograms.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/dpkg-get-selections/ for example11:46
tarzeauso you want to run the machines offline or in a not-internet connected network?11:46
ravageand you can apply it again with set-selections11:46
tyklingyes it is airgapped and for regulatory reasons (it is medtech stuff) we have to guarantee we can reproduce an identical server in the future (also in 5 or 10 years)11:47
tykling(yes, from an infosec perspective it is horrible, but this is how the medtech world works)11:47
tarzeautykling: then you'd have to setup a mirror, create a snapshot of the packages. but even then. 5 years is a long time and the maximum for free security updates11:47
tarzeau10 years is like - i don't get how people can stay that long on the same version of some software11:48
tyklingthat is ok, I dont get it either, but that doesn't change the task at hand :)11:48
ravagea clone of the harddrive still sounds much easier11:48
tarzeaui'd say have a look at apt download, or after install just don't run apt clean and take a copy of all downloaded debs and store them11:49
tyklingit isn't just 1 server11:49
tarzeauit doesn't matter. you can clone a disk many times11:49
tarzeaudd is your friend, done that 20 years ago with solaris: http://www.aiei.ch/linux/ubercopy/11:50
tyklingthey will have different configuration, certificates, integrations to 3rd party systems, keys and all kinds of shit. disk cloning is not the answer, but thanks11:50
tarzeauwe even had an ultrasparc 5 for only that11:50
tyklingI wanted to use apt download but I need a list for it to download right?11:50
tarzeauand how is the configs managed? ansible? something else?11:50
tarzeautykling: yes and you'll need be extra careful with dependencies :)11:50
tyklingmostly ansible, which also installs all the packages which I need to ensure stay the same versions (including recursive deps)11:51
tarzeauthere's also dpkg-repack but it'll not be identical, no this is an ugly hack for packages you don't have sources for11:51
tarzeaui'd take out the package install from your ansible away and separate it11:51
tarzeaunot sure if ansible in 5 or 10 years will be able to read and apply your todays configuration files11:52
alkisgtykling: if you have your own apt repository with ONLY these versions, then you don't need to track the versions11:52
tyklingalkisg: that is a good point!11:52
alkisgI.e. install using ubuntu-22, then update, then download all debs and put them in a repository. Then if you install any other server using ubuntu-22, add only your repository, and update, you're done11:52
tarzeauyeah maybe aptly or reprepro are helpful11:53
akikwhat's aptly for? https://www.aptly.info/about/ doesn't tell it12:00
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tomdehey has anyone here used systemd for applying AmbientCapabilities to a service? I'm trying to run something and when I use AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE it's fine, but AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE, CAP_SYS_ADMIN provides a failure?12:13
BluesKajHi all12:51
ravagehttps://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/110/310/314/535/191/808/original/7954c096f0b28990.jpg13:08
Macerwell.. if i can figure out how to get gestures to work properly on this pinebook pro then the only caveat on it will be the lack of proper power management heh14:19
Maceradding the gestures daemon and the gnome extension doesn't seem to work14:21
lotuspsychjeMacer: tweaking your system, try dconf-editor14:21
arkanoidsince last update, ubuntu fails to play audio when resuming from sleep, and the only solution I've found is to close gnome session and reopen it, which makes suspension basically useless14:25
arkanoidI've tried switching audio output device (speaker/hdmi) but everything seems muted14:27
lotuspsychjecheck your dmesg arkanoid14:27
lotuspsychjeand feel free to !paste it to the volunteers for debugging14:27
bagaturhello, I have ubuntu 22.04 running on a drive with multiple partitions, I would like to merge them but I am not sure if this will work:15:00
bagaturlive boot, copy or dd everything to another drive, format disk and install ubuntu, copy or dd everthing back15:00
bagaturwould this preserve all system files?15:01
bagaturor corrupt the new install15:01
idmbebagatur: https://askubuntu.com/questions/66000/how-to-merge-partitions15:07
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deltreeyso, I thought "this is sweet, I can install brave as a snap, and keepassxc as a snap, then install the keepassxc-browser plugin and be all set...right? https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/5893  hmmmm....is this something that's in the plans or is there a workaround?15:55
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 5893 in keepassxreboot/keepassxc "Snap connect" [Closed]15:55
oerheksindeed an issue, browser snap and keeppassxc, firefox too15:57
deltreeyI mean, I love that snaps are sandboxed...but docker is sandboxed and it can connect just fine16:00
wontfix[m]docker is not truly sandboxed by default16:04
wontfix[m]That is one reason the unikernel as a process fad started picking up steam in enterprise computing16:05
jhutchinsbagatur: I don't think you want to use dd, it's an image copy program, and what you need is a file copy program liks rsync.  You need to preserve some extended attributes, and I'm not sure how you do that, but it's easy to find.16:06
jhutchinsbagatur: You can do live merges and live partition resizing, but you should always have a backup anyway, and backup, repartition, restore is usally a lot faster.16:07
bagaturjhutchins: yes by copy I didn't mean cp only, could use rsync as well. My question was on preserving system-wide files like apt programs, configurations like grub config etc.16:37
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alkisgbagatur: what kind of partitions do you have? (sudo lsblk -fe7; df -h ) | nc termbin.com 999916:43
jhutchinsbagatur: I strongly recommend rsync over cp.  rsync can preserve timestamps, extended attributes, and other essential information about the files.16:46
jhutchinsbagatur: You might also look at Clonezilla - https://clonezilla.org/ - a dedicated cloning suie.16:46
bagaturalkisg: one for swap, ext4's for /, /home, /boot, /tmp and /var, lastly vfat for /boot/efi16:49
bagaturjhutchins: ty, I already use rsync for backups16:49
alkisgbagatur: the commands above would also mention their order and size, to see if it would be easier to merge them rather than re-create everything from scratch16:49
bagaturalkisg: https://termbin.com/yrl217:02
mayormccheeseHello, my proprietary graphics driver for nvidea rtx 2070 no longer works and am trying to install the open drivers. I looked online and tried various commands, no no avail. The proprietary drivers are removed, so everything looks large and pixelated now17:07
mayormccheeseThe other options for drivers are greyed out in additional software17:11
lotuspsychjemayormccheese: your available drivers you can check with; ubuntu-drivers list17:12
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mayormccheeselotuspsychje Am not sure what to select, or if I can select.17:13
lotuspsychjemayormccheese: did your last driver fail after a recent update?17:14
mayormccheeselotuspsychje It was proprietary, by nvidia, so they need to sort that stuff out17:14
mayormccheeseMeanwhile, I would like to have something that works17:15
mayormccheeselotuspsychje I used the proprietary drivers for video editing, but cannot do that now17:15
lotuspsychjemayormccheese: did your last driver fail after a recent update?17:15
mayormccheeselotuspsychje Want open driver, please.17:16
oerheksopen = nouveau17:16
oerheksyours need nvidia5xx17:16
mayormccheeseIf anyone can kindly guide me to install open drivers, I would be most grateful.17:17
oerhekswhat linux version are you on?17:19
mayormccheeseoerheks 22.0417:20
mayormccheese.0217:20
lotuspsychjemayormccheese: big rtx cards best to use the nvidia driver(s) and login to xorg instead of wayland17:29
mayormccheeselotuspsychje Cannot as Nvidia has a problem they need to sort out17:30
lotuspsychjemayormccheese: thats a bit of a too general statement, needs a deeper investigation of what happens in your system17:30
mayormccheeselotuspsychje Was here yesterday and someone helped show that Nvidia fell alseep at the switch17:30
lotuspsychjemayormccheese: sharing your dmesg in a pastebin would be a good start17:31
lotuspsychje!paste & mayormccheese17:31
lotuspsychje!paste17:31
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punkgeekHello, my Ubuntu VM stopped responding to the IPv6 after an increase in website traffic, and I needed to restart the OS. How can I understand what the problem is?17:39
tomreynpunkgeek: the first thing to look at is always your system logs. "journalctl" is the command to do so.18:03
tomreynif you can correlate the time of the event, it will make it easier to identify any (if any) *related* log messages.18:04
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kennynig19:25
tomreynkenny: hmm?19:26
kennyhi19:27
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mantisehi, trying to install Curseforge on Lutris client on Ubuntu 23.04. info in pastebin https://pastebin.com/qySrfshM21:05
mantiseor something with the gstreamer package21:13
oerheksi have no idea about lutris, there is a channel #lutris though21:16
mantiseoerheks, thanks, i'll try to get some help there.21:18
mantiseanother thing, when i try to sudo apt update, i get theese errors. is it wrong repository? or what should i do? https://pastebin.com/3fUC7gFg21:39
oerheksthere are no lunar packages for that ppa https://launchpad.net/~flatpak/+archive/ubuntu/stable21:41
oerheks!info flatpak lunar21:41
ubottuflatpak (1.14.4-1ubuntu1, lunar): Application deployment framework for desktop apps. In component universe, is optional. Built by flatpak. Size 1,331 kB / 5,350 kB. (Only available for linux-any.)21:42
oerheksso, our repos give the latest already21:42
mantiseoerheks, so i have to remove the repo somehow ?21:42
oerheksjust disable in software, yes. as it never got packages, no problem21:42
mantiseoerheks, it also says there is an error when starting the software updater, that must be the same reason then? in other software, i just uncheck the flatpak repo, to solve the problem ?21:46
mantiseremove the flatpak ppa21:46
oerhekstip; install synaptic, a much more detailed softwarecenter21:51
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mantiseoerheks, its solved now, thanks! ill take a look at synaptic22:00
jilocasinevening everyone22:35
jilocasinanyone know why, other than to drive more peopple to their commercial offerings, Canonical has made updating Ubuntu such a pain?22:35
oerheksno money, no updates, friend22:36
ravagejilocasin: if you have a specific Ubuntu related support question please ask. if you just want to discuss Ubuntu in general please do it in #ubuntu-discuss22:36
jilocasinravage: sure, in older versions of Unbuntu, say 18.x I can script a bunch of apt-get update/upgrade/apt autoremove and it will just complete.22:37
jilocasinravage: but in current versions of Ubuntu, the same script is interupted by screens to let you know your kernel's out of date, or asking you if you want to restart services.  This means that you can't just run the commands without having to be there to acknowledge those prompts.22:38
jilocasinravage: is there a *simple* command line way to supress those screens/prompts?22:39
ravageDEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y upgrade22:39
oerheksadd -y often works22:39
ravageand im sure a few others that may be helpful22:40
jilocasinoerheks: not really22:40
jilocasinravage: right now I'm getting the "Daemons using outdated libraries"22:40
ravagehttps://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/explain-debian_frontend-apt-get-variable-for-ubuntu-debian/ shows some22:40
ravagethat sounds like the needrestart package22:41
ravageyou can just remove that if it bothers yoi22:41
ravage*you22:41
ravageor adjust /etc/needrestart/needrestart.conf22:42
jilocasinravage: tried removing it, but it also removed quite a few perl libs. :/22:43
jilocasinravage: not quite as bad as ubuntu-advantage, which is nearly impossible to remove.22:44
ravageubuntu-advantage is pretty hard to get rid of compared to other packages22:45
ravagebut there are guides to do that too. or at least disable most of its functions22:45
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jilocasinravage: what would be best would be if ubuntu is going to add anoying prompts to the upgrade process, that they provide a command line switch to disable them as well.22:46
ravagepersonally i dont mind it22:46
ravagei even use it22:46
jilocasinravage: when you are updating 20-30 servers, it gets real tedious.  18.x just run the compund script and you are done.22:46
ravageall tools should check  DEBIAN_FRONTEND in a perfect world22:46
jilocasinravage: current versions mean that I have to wait, tab, tab, enter several times per machine manually.22:47
ravagei run automatic updates on a lot of 22.04 servers via script22:47
ravagenever had any problems really22:47
jilocasinravage: if there's a kernel update, then that's potentially several other screens that stop the processed dead in it's tracks until I acknowledge that I am running an outdated kernel.22:48
jilocasinravage: so your confirming what I was afraid of, there's no switch to supress this annoying behaviour that I've missed.22:49
ravagebeen running https://p.haxxors.com/dist-upgradesh.txt for years22:50
ravage18.04 to now 22.0422:50
ravageno prompts. all peachy22:50
jilocasinravage: I'm not upgrading verisons22:50
ravageme neither22:51
jilocasinravage: I'm running a variant of-> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get upgrade -y linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic && sudo apt autoremove -y && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y22:51
ravagejust has been the same script since forever22:51
ravagei did remove the needrestart stuff. so i cant say much about that22:52
ravageit is not part of my deployment22:53
sunnywhile running suso apt upgrade -y there are lots of errors observed22:57
sunnysunny@sunny-XPS-15-9510:~$ sudo apt upgrade -y22:57
sunnyReading package lists... Done22:57
sunnyBuilding dependency tree... Done22:57
sunnyReading state information... Done22:57
sunnyCalculating upgrade... Done22:57
ravage!paste | sunny22:57
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sunnyunset ARCH; [ ! -h /usr/bin/cc ] && export CC=/usr/bin/gcc; env NV_VERBOSE=1 'make' -j16 NV_EXCLUDE_BUILD_MODULES='' KERNEL_UNAME=6.3.1-060301-generic IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 SYSSRC=/lib/modules/6.3.1-060301-generic/bu22:59
sunnyild LD=/usr/bin/ld.bfd CONFIG_X86_KERNEL_IBT= modules.....(bad exit status: 2)22:59
sunnyERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-6.3.1-060301-generic is not supported22:59
sunnyError! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 6.3.1-060301-generic (x86_64)22:59
sunnyConsult /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/470.182.03/build/make.log for more information.22:59
sunnyError! One or more modules failed to install during autoinstall.22:59
oerhekssunny, do not paste like that22:59
oerheksread the warnings22:59
wontfix[m]Alexa, what is pastebin?23:00
oerhekslunar gives kernel 6.2, so you use a custom kernel 6.3, unsupported here.23:00
sunnysunny@sunny-XPS-15-9510:~$23:00
sunnyok sure23:00
oerheksthat might explain the nvidia failure23:01
oerheks* good luck23:01
sunnyyes got it will create an item on dpaste and share the link23:03
sunnyhttps://dpaste.com/8G8WL6E5W23:03
oerheksreverse back to  6.2.0-21.21 and your nvidia dkms works fine23:10
sunnyok so it seems the nvidia drivers are not compatable with latest released kernel version 6.323:18
luna__I have too many tabls open (*G RAM) and chrome is again consipating the entire system. Where can I effectively write and complain-increase awareness for those who can rewrite that part of chrome - so that this is handled better?23:40
luna__22.-4 up to date23:40
luna__luna is morgan23:40
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margan-mate8G oc 8=*.23:41
oerheksevery tab is its own sandbox, so no.23:41
margan-mateThanks. I need to look up what the sandbox is.23:42

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