[06:08] <lubot> [telegram] <BlackKnight987> Sad, If this is true, then Debian, MX Linux etc. are the best options for the support seeker (re @guiverc: There are >65000 packages in bionic, Ubuntu Pro according to the release blogs provide support for >30000 packages; ie. only a portion of the total packages, and that has never been for all architectures. i386 support ended 30-April-2023 with no Pro support available  (the extension to 31-May-2023 only mentioned architecture
[06:11]  * guiverc did note a bionic i386 package upgrade yesterday.. but I did expect i386 builds to not stop till 31-may-2023  (i386 support not being included in 31-may-2023 extension a somewhat 'grey' area.. with the extension doc focusing on Pro support where i386 is not included)
[13:31] <hati> Hi! I just installed Lubuntu 22.04 with FDE by the installer and noticed a that: a) it still used LUKS1 even though grub should support LUKS2 since 2020 and b) there were 2 keyslots occupied even though I supplied only 1 passphrase to the installer, and c) after checking that my passphrase unlocked keyslot 0 and deleting keyslot 1 the system does
[13:31] <hati> not boot anymore and drops to initramfs shell.  Can someone explain what is going on here?
[14:36] <hati> Reiterating:
[14:36] <hati> a) According to https://www.phoronix.com/news/GRUB-2.06-Released GRUB 2.06 supports LUKS2, and the live ISO I installed from has grub2 2.06-2ubuntu7 so AFAICT should support LUKS2.  Why does it install with LUKS1 then?
[14:36] <hati> b)+c)  I discovered that crypttab tries to use a keyfile -- that was in slot 1.  But why? Isn't /etc/crypttab on the encrypted partition? (if it wasn't, anyone could read the key and would not be of much use)  So when it can be read, the partition must already be unlocked.  I don't see the point of it.  What is the point of trying to unlock
[14:36] <hati> the partition a second time?
[16:09] <Bardon> Hello, what are the hardware requirements to use lubuntu? I have Pentium Dual Core T2310 (1.46 GHz), 2 Go DDR2 667 MHz, 160 GB HDD at 5400 rpm, and an Intel GMA X3100 358 MB. It a laptop from 2007 (Toshiba Satellite P200-1BY).
[16:09] <Bardon> It is a*
[16:10] <ghostl> Bardon, it should do fine on that computer.
[16:10] <ghostl> I run it on lower hardware with no issue.
[16:11] <Bardon> Great :D
[16:11] <Bardon> I might buy an SSD for 40€, I guess it could make a noticeable difference?
[16:11] <ghostl> add 2 GB swap
[16:11] <Bardon> Ok!
[16:12] <ghostl> yeah, however internet websites of today are resources hungry.
[16:12] <ghostl> lubuntu itself and most apps, music playing or gimp and editing will work.
[16:13] <Bardon> So the CPU would throttle with Firefox on certain websites?
[16:13] <ghostl> but internet website might be sluggish or don't load - page unresponsive etc, and don't expect to play 1080 or 4k videos etc ofc, but because the hardware is too old, 1080p might play with vlc and mplayer, but it is missing hardware decoders of today.
[16:13] <ghostl> yeah internet browsing on old machines like that won't work.
[16:14] <ghostl> same for high res videos. but the rest still works ok.
[16:15] <Bardon> It would be basic internet browsing (webmail, online paperwork like tax form and such, and some youtube). It's for my grandma
[16:15] <ghostl> even basic internet won't go well.
[16:16] <Bardon> Ah, that's an issue then
[16:16] <Bardon> I'm tempted to try though, because lubuntu works fine on my thinkpad X200 (even firefox)
[16:17] <ghostl> only lubuntu apps. editing text, gimp, some video games, music playing and 720p videos, desktop usage.
[16:17] <Bardon> Ok! :)
[16:17] <ghostl> yeah you can try anyway, there is falcon and epiphany browser that can help if firefox is too heavy.
[16:28] <Bardon> Will the SDD help with internet browsing?
[20:02] <teward> Bardon: maybe *marginally* but inet browsing is more RAM and CPU intensive than disk intensive so... probably not
[20:45] <hati> Bardon: To me the 2GB RAM seems to be the bottleneck, especially for websites---e.g. gmail's web interface is a RAM hog.  If you could at least double that (by some used modules if the laptop has free slots or exchange the existing for bigger modules), it would go a long way.  When I experimented with a very old laptop, http://surf.suckless.org/
[20:45] <hati> (pkg is in repos) was the one using the least resources that still ran on the laptop---Falcon and Epiphany didn't work for me, because of instruction set limitations, and I did not have enough HDD space to recompile webkit for them.  Although Surf might be too unintuitive for grandma: it doesn't even have buttons, the whole window renders the
[20:45] <hati> webpage, you control it with mouse clicks on the webpage and keyboard shortcuts.
[20:46] <hati> * ~~by~~ buy some used RAM modules
[21:00] <Bardon> teward: Ok, thanks for letting me know!
[21:00] <Bardon> hati: Thanks a lot for explaining. I'll see if I find some used RAM online!
[21:01] <Bardon> I'll have to check which RAM modules are compatible though
[21:09] <hati> Does anyone know...
[21:09] <hati> a) why does Lubuntu 22.04 installer encrypt the HDD using LUKS1 if it already has GRUB 2.06 which should be able to handle LUKS2?
[21:09] <hati> b) why does it try to unlock the partition a second time using a passfile (set up in /etc/crypttab by the installer) which can be accessed only after the partition has already been unlocked manually by passphrase?
[21:13] <hati> Or should I ask these in the dev channel?
[23:25] <lubot> [telegram] <Bracho_desu> Im trying to install in it an Intel Atom, 1gb RAM. Should I try to install 64 bits and check performance? (re @kc2bez: While it is true you can install 18.04 and enable Pro, it is not recommended nor supported by the Lubuntu team since it does not cover the desktop components like you mentioned.)
[23:31] <lubuntu> man, lubuntu is clean
[23:32] <lubuntu> test
[23:33] <lubuntu> test
=== lubuntu is now known as lubuntu-testing
[23:33] <lubuntu-testing> there we go