[01:04] <David_Hedlund> How do I submit a feature request for update-manager?
[01:05] <sarnold> ubuntu-bug update-manager   is probably the best starting point
[01:07] <David_Hedlund> sarnold: Thank you, then I did it correctly.
[01:07] <David_Hedlund> sarnold: I just added this message:      Maintainers: Please change the "Importance" to "Wishlist"
[01:07] <sarnold> woot
[01:08] <David_Hedlund> sarnold: Here's the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/2020140
[01:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2020140 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Feature request: List executed commands in 'Details'" [Undecided, New]
[01:13] <sarnold> man, I can't find my way around that code .. but I have a suspicion that what you want might not actually exist; it's possible that this is executing API calls rather than running programs
[01:17] <David_Hedlund> sarnold: Oh, that's useful. Can you please comment that in the bug URL?
[01:36] <David_Hedlund> sarnold: Excellent!
[01:37] <sarnold> :D
[03:59] <cleary> Hi folks, I'm working on ubuntu 22.04 and attempting to create a 32 bit debootstrap tarball for pbuilder. It's failing because the dependency for aptitude cannot be satisfied (no 32 bit build) - is there a way for me to do debootstrap without aptitude?
[03:59] <cleary> the command I'm running: linux32 sudo pbuilder create --configfile /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc.jammy.i386
[03:59] <cleary> the file looks like: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xx3fwBJJkB/
[04:00] <cleary> (ps I asked in #ubuntu, they suggested a more development oriented channel)
[04:01] <cleary> I had a dig through the pbuilder /usr/lib files, there is mention of an "apt flavor" and an "aptitude flavor" but I can't find any info on how to pick and choose
[04:03] <Unit193> PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD=/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-apt to use apt instead.
[04:04] <cleary> amazing, thankyou - I will give it a try :)
[04:08] <cleary> @Unit193 it works... I've been banging my head against a wall for about an hour on this one, thankyou so much for saving further damage
[04:10] <Unit193> Haha, you're very welcome!
[04:10] <Unit193> cleary: FWIW, there's a manpage for pdebuild, pbuilder, and pbuilderrc.  That only shows up in the last one...
[04:12] <cleary> ah thanks, I nitpicked through the pbuilder page - lesson learnt ;)
[04:14] <Unit193> The apt solver has quirks, but given what you're working on they likely won't matter.
[04:18] <cleary> I'm building cups with some upstream patches, it's going well so far
[04:18] <cleary> the reason for which I need 32 bit cups is ugly ugly ugly. I won't be upset if it turns out to be impossible
[04:19] <Unit193> hah. :)
[04:40] <cleary> Unit193: thanks for the help, I have a successful build, and a rekindled appreciation for irc!
[04:43] <Unit193> \o/
[08:02] <wouter> bdmurray: I can definitely do that, yes. Should I send it to the same bug report?
[09:02] <wouter> bdmurray: debdiff sent. Is that all I need to do?
[12:09] <wouter> okay, so I re-read the sponsorship, and subscribed the ubuntu-sponsors group
[12:09] <wouter> hopefully this will be dealt with "soon".
[12:10] <wouter> if not, meh, I don't use Ubuntu myself, so, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:25] <ItzSwirlz> vorlon: what would be best for cinnamon and pulseaudio, just drop the recommends?
[16:26] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: you should certainly drop the recommends: for cinnamon to pulseaudio, yes.  For blueman, as I said you should consult the Debian maintainer to decide the best path forward
[16:27] <ItzSwirlz> technically i am part of the cinnamon maintainers in debian but school
[16:27] <ItzSwirlz> can it be changed this close to bookworm?
[16:27] <vorlon> is blueman maintained by cinnamon?
[16:27] <ItzSwirlz> oh blueman; no
[16:27] <vorlon> can it be changed> sure, it just won't migrate to bookworm
[16:28] <ItzSwirlz> ill open pr's
[16:30] <ItzSwirlz> actually ill need to send emails because i dont know if debian cinnamon should switch to pipewire