[04:51] <RikMills> santa_: yes, I am aware of that. annoying but I tend to be pragmatic and only diverge to fix things when breakage actually seems likely or occurs
[04:51]  * RikMills shrugs
[04:52] <RikMills> anyone fancy looking at how to get Kubuntu working n the new installer this cycle?
[04:52] <RikMills> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-flavor-installer
[06:36] <RikMills> santa_: also made new packaging repos for itinerary, angelfish, ghostwriter, kongress, kosmindoormap, ktrip, qmlkonsole
[06:36] <RikMills> i.e. new tars in gear that already exist synced from debian
[08:09] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230523)
[10:25] <santa_> RikMills: this thing, for example: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kmailtransport/commit/?id=711abb1a609bff0763ed2d69c551bb5e8906539d
[10:25] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit 711abb1 in ~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kmailtransport "Partial sync with debian to match plugin package names and new file placements"
[10:25] <santa_> that is not bieng pragmatic, that is importing an RC bug from debian
[10:25] <santa_> s/bieng/being/
[10:26] <santa_> also, they realized later and corrected it
[10:27] <santa_> regarding the "only diverge to fix things when breakage actually seems likely or occurs" <- this should include fixing debian policy 8.2 violations
[10:29] <santa_> because these massive violations of poliocy 8.2 are precisely what are making the 23.04 upgrade so difficult for apt
[10:32] <RikMills[m]> if that and similar are causing issues, then of course they should be fixed
[10:33] <santa_> the thing with 8.2 violations is this:
[10:33] <santa_> - it's like drugs, it's easy to get in, not so easy to get out
[10:34] <santa_> - initially, when you get it, there's no big deal apparently
[10:34] <santa_> - then, some time later, you will face the consequences
[10:35] <santa_> and we are in this 3rd point
[10:38] <RikMills[m]> fair enough. if you have reasonable fixes, then I am likely to be fine with that
[10:48] <santa_> yes, one thing I would like you to understand: there is no actual fix for this complicated upgrade
[10:49] <santa_> it's going to be complicated, because we can't travel back in the past
[10:49] <santa_> but we can make sure this doesn't happen again :)
[10:50] <RikMills[m]> ok
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:02] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://twitter.com/kdecommunity/status/1660590634518863874
[13:16] <mparillo> I just zsync'd the daily MM ISO for the first time since Thursday. I got: used 5411258368 local, fetched 0 Is it possible there have been no changes to the ISO since then?
[13:30] <RikMills> I think the server is having issues
[13:31] <RikMills> it is very very slow, and erroring out frequently
[20:29] <santa_> RikMills: thanks a lot for creating repos for some of the new apps, I've just updated ka-metadata and discovered a couple of corner-case crashes in KA