[13:55] It really is a shame. Canonical had/has such opportunity to make great things and are well positioned for marketing and adoption. Everything they do they will be starting a few steps ahead. [13:55] But... maybe it is like juju... they saw a need, they have customers, it worked there, and they open sourced it. I guess I'm OK with that. [13:56] It isn't like I saw a blog post saying, "use pebble for everything!" No, it is just some code out there. [14:14] Canonical gonna Canonocal