[00:00] <oerheks> nothing, you have firefox now
[00:00] <David_Hedlund> No I don't
[00:01] <oerheks> so you are in the ubuntu desktop gui now? or still on commandline, no gui?
[00:01] <oerheks> i am sure you have firefox now, as snap
[00:04] <oerheks> snap list
[00:04] <David_Hedlund> I'm in GNOME. But first of all. I cannot run `apt-get update` in GNOME which is unexpected, because I could run it before I installed GNOME
[00:05] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: snad list: bare, core20, gtk-common-themes, lxd, snapd
[00:06] <David_Hedlund> snap list*
[00:06] <oerheks> what happens when you try? pastebin the output please
[00:06] <oerheks> weird, your first post says firefox is installed as snap.
[00:07] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: snap list: http://rafb.ath.cx/pastes/2BpxaO76.html
[00:07] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: No, I tried to install it but it failed
[00:07] <David_Hedlund> Because GNOME cannot access the internet
[00:09] <oerheks> why not?
[00:09] <oerheks> that would be the root of your problem...
[00:10] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: Fresh install so I have no idea
[00:11] <oerheks> me too, as you seem to be able to pastebin 
[00:12] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: Oh, that's from my host computer. I'm experimenting with VMs
[00:13] <oerheks> fix your networking, maybe on your host?
[00:14] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: The internet worked fine in the VM before I installed GNOME in it.
[00:14] <David_Hedlund> This is not a VM issue at all
[00:16] <oerheks> then this excperiment failed, try again fresh?
[00:16] <oerheks> maybe better to use the desktop iso as a starter?
[00:17] <David_Hedlund> oerheks: I'm trying to learn how to start from Ubuntu Server as I've already learned the basics from Ubuntu and Ubuntu MATE.
[00:20] <David_Hedlund> /usr/share/doc/netplan/examples/static.yaml is unmodified
[00:21] <oerheks> those are docs, why would that get modified?
[00:21] <oerheks> it is not an active config
[00:21] <David_Hedlund> sorry, I pasted the wrong file, I'm a bit tired.
[00:23] <David_Hedlund> The "Network" GUI does not list a "Wired" entry
[00:24] <David_Hedlund> "Settings -> Network"
[00:25] <David_Hedlund> gnome-control-center
[00:25] <David_Hedlund> gnome-control-center -> Network does not list a "Wired" entry
[00:33] <David_Hedlund> oerheks
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[14:06] <JanC> David_Hedlund: IIRC the Gnome control center will only show network interfaces that are managed by network-manager; as you came from a server then possibly your wired connection was/is configured by netplan instead?
[14:08] <JanC> (why install gnome on a server anyway?)
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[16:52] <David_Hedlund> JanC: Oh. Never mind. I can run apt-get update now. The internet is working again. I don't know why it was down before.
[16:54] <David_Hedlund> apt-get update is working fine. But I'm curious to learn why I cannot install transitional snap packages. Please see http://rafb.ath.cx/pastes/pdwlB657.html JanC
[16:57] <sdeziel> David_Hedlund: your connection is being reset in ^. Should you be using a proxy?
[16:58] <David_Hedlund> sdeziel: Why do I need that?
[16:59] <sdeziel> David_Hedlund: I'm not saying you need one, just asking if you are aware of such requirement in your environment. Looks like the answer is no ;)
[17:00] <David_Hedlund> sdeziel: Oh, yeah.
[17:04] <sdeziel> David_Hedlund: does it work when you try to snap install directly `sudo snap install chromium` ?
[17:05] <David_Hedlund> sdeziel: Yes it does. I tried it earlier. However, I don't want to run into apt issues later, so I rather solve this or file a bug report.
[17:06] <sdeziel> David_Hedlund: maybe apt is using a proxy? `grep -riF proxy /etc/apt/` should tell you
[17:11] <David_Hedlund> sdeziel: No output from that command, thanks.
[17:12] <sdeziel> David_Hedlund: hmm, puzzling cause apparently apt can make http connections and snapd can make https connections just fine but apt cannot do https connections
[17:13] <David_Hedlund> sdeziel: Do you have a chance to evaluate a VM?
[17:14] <David_Hedlund> sdeziel: I'm using virt-manager to quickly clone Ubuntu Server VMs that I modify and evaluate.
[17:15] <ravage> David_Hedlund: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-launch-an-instantly-functional-linux-desktop-vm-with-lxd#1-overview
[17:15] <ravage> maybe that is a good way for your tests
[17:17] <JanC> many APT mirrors (as well as the official repos) don't support HTTPS
[17:17] <JanC> (or some APT mirrors, I don't know what the current state is)
[17:17] <sdeziel> JanC: the pastebin shows the chromium deb wrapper was used to pull in the snap version of chromium
[17:18] <sdeziel> JanC: so the deb was fetched over HTTP fine but the inner `snap install` got a TCP reset
[17:19] <JanC> then it's not APT but Snap, right?
[17:19] <sdeziel> but then a direct `snap install` worked which lead me to thing of a "leaked" http_proxy env by apt but apparently no
[17:19] <sdeziel> s/thing/think/
[17:20] <JanC> is snap in a Snap now?
[17:20] <sdeziel> I think so
[17:20] <ravage> snap is basically snapd. which is a snap yes :)
[17:20] <sdeziel> snapd is a shipped as a deb but that fetches the snapd snap ;)
[17:21] <JanC> maybe something is going wrong there...
[17:21] <David_Hedlund> ravage: Thank you.
[17:27] <David_Hedlund> JanC, sdeziel: Solved with `sudo apt --fix-missing update` 
[17:27] <sdeziel> David_Hedlund: hmm, I don't get it but cool
[17:28] <David_Hedlund> I'll try to reproduce it in another VM clone.
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