[03:36] <Guest37> Hi guys, I'm considering between Ubuntu and Lubuntu, want maximum light-weightness. Does anybody here know modern measurements on the resources usage between stock Ubuntu and Lubuntu? And, Does Ubuntu have any advantage over Lubuntu , such as better security, or similar that would be a good reason to use it?
[03:36] <al1r4d> > unrelated: is there a way to get an official non-snap package for chromium?
[03:36] <al1r4d> ? There is non-snap one, but not an official
[03:37] <al1r4d> Guest37: lubuntu = lxde + ubuntu
[03:37] <rbox> Guest37: ubuntu is ubuntu... its just what packages you have installed
[03:37] <al1r4d> The memory usage lower than ubuntu gnome
[03:38] <Guest37> So basically theres no advantage to Ubuntu vs Lubuntu
[03:38] <Guest37> Lubuntu is simply lighter
[03:38] <Guest37> right
[03:38] <al1r4d> Yes, you are smart, Guest37
[03:39] <Guest37> is Lubuntu the best Light buntu distro? Xubuntu tends to be rougher
[03:40] <Guest37> Xubuntu doesnt automatically unzip zip files with GUI, etc
[03:40] <Guest37> So Lubuntu is the best OS of all time, ok
[03:40] <rbox> lubuntu is just uinsg lxqt instead of gnome
[03:41] <rbox> you can install wahtever gui programs you want in xubuntu to unzip whatver zip files yo uwant
[03:41] <Guest37> good, good
[03:41] <Guest37> true
[03:41] <Guest37> lubuntu does it out of the box
[03:43] <Guest37> How much lighter is Lubuntu than Ubuntu?
[03:44] <rbox> about 10 feathers lighter
[03:45] <Guest37> guy-z
[03:45] <Guest37> I need real answers here
[03:46] <Guest37> Is the only different mainly between Ubuntu and Lubuntu DE?
[03:46] <rbox> that is the differnece
[03:46] <Guest37> So basically, is there any reason to use Ubuntu over Lubuntu
[03:46] <rbox> gnome vs lxqt
[03:46] <rbox> if you want gnome instead of lxqt
[03:48] <Guest37> I dont want gnome but I like the official Ubuntu OS *tm*
[03:48] <Guest37> Gnome is one of the most slow and bloated DEs around Oh my good-golly
[03:48] <rbox> huh?
[03:48] <Guest37> From what Ive seen
[03:49] <Guest37> Gnome is one of the most bloated DEs
[03:49] <rbox> so dont use it
[03:49] <rbox> problem solved
[03:49] <Guest37> LXDE, LXQT one of the lightest
[03:49] <rbox> so use one of those
[03:49] <Guest37> Why does Ubuntu, probably a top 3 linux desktop OS, use such a bloated DE?
[03:49] <rbox> because theres ntohign wrong with gnome
[03:49] <rbox> lol
[03:49] <toddc> some people like one type of desktop or the other and the same for it's program's some need the features of one or the other and some hardware will be a bit better on a lighter version
[03:50] <Guest37> Its bloated tho
[03:50] <rbox> in your opinino
[03:50] <Guest37> How does Budgie compare to LXQT
[03:50] <rbox> lol
[03:50] <rbox> just beacuse you have a garbage computer
[03:50] <rbox> doesnt mean everyone does
[03:50] <Guest37> Statistically, Gnome used much more ram than other DEs
[03:50] <Guest37> Its not about my specs!
[03:50] <Guest37> Gnome used more ram than other DEs according to two articles Ive read
[03:50] <toddc> Guest37: Bloated as compred to ???
[03:50] <rbox> then you woudjn't be  going ON AND ON AND ON about ZOMG I NEED THE LIGHTEST
[03:50] <rbox> OMG... MORE RAM!?
[03:50] <rbox> THE HORROR
[03:50] <Guest37> I simply prefer efficiency
[03:51] <rbox> so then use wahtever you want
[03:51] <Guest37> Why use a DE that needs 1 gig ram, when LXQT can do the same task with 250 mb ram
[03:51] <toddc> not every one does
[03:51]  * rbox ignores the morons
[03:51] <Guest37> I jsut dont see the reason to use a blaoted DE
[03:51] <Guest37> they accomplish the same goals
[03:51] <Guest37> why use a slower one
[03:54] <NickH> On some hardware the "bloat" causes no noticable slow down, and provides features that some users want.
[03:55] <toddc> ^
[03:56] <toddc> I choose to use Gnome Unity and puppy linux it depands on the machine and what I need to do and how I like to do it
[03:58] <Guest37> On this one article Lubuntu used half the passive ram as Ubuntu
[03:58] <toddc> not good to condem someone's choises and opinions
[03:58] <Guest37> seems Lubuntu is the lightest
[03:59] <toddc> use it if it is good for you
[04:00] <Guest37> i mean, what features does budgie or mate or gnome have
[04:00] <Guest37> that lxde or xfce doesnt, for example
[04:00] <toddc> Nautilus is one but you can add change or replace any
[04:01] <alkisg> Guest37: for example, last time I checked, lubuntu didn't have logout inhibitors. If you tried to exit while having unsaved work, you'd lose it without a prompt
[04:02] <alkisg> Note though that while lubuntu is lighter (and about the same as xfce, mate and kde; it's only gnome that uses a lot more ram), after you launch a few applications, the difference will be smaller
[04:02] <alkisg> This is because the other DEs have already loaded some of the related libraries in the initial boot
[04:02] <Eickmeyer> Moreover it's not a competition, and since this is a *support channel*, in other words a channel to ask for help, this discussion is ENTIRELY off-topic.
[04:03] <Guest22> I didnt consider the related libraries... I was just trying to measure the DEs performance itself, during load or not
[04:03] <Guest22> Hmmm
[04:03] <Eickmeyer> !ot
[04:03] <Guest22> Now I'm thinking between Ubuntu-Mate and Lubuntu
[04:04] <Eickmeyer> Guest22: Download the .iso images and find out the best solution for yourself. Opinions are all you're going to get by polling random people, which is not allowed in a HELP/SUPPORT channel.
[04:05]  * alkisg would consider "RAM usage" a technical support question; while "which one has the best wallpaper" a non-technical one...
[04:06] <Eickmeyer> alkisg: It's still subjective because it's allocated based on ram available and what is cached.
[04:06] <alkisg> Yes, but there are points to be learned that cannot be learned by testing an .iso
[04:07] <Eickmeyer> They need to test on their system. That is all.
[04:07] <alkisg> They wouldn't know about logout inhibitors by just testing
[04:07] <alkisg> Or about shared libraries
[04:08] <Eickmeyer> That's true, but the discussion was going elsewhere and started attracting unwanted opinions (i.e. bloat, etc.). Therefore, it needed to be shut-down or moved to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[04:10] <alkisg> OK
[04:25] <Netzahualcoyotl> What is the name of the package mmanager in ubuntu?
[04:26] <rbox> dpkg
[04:31] <Netzahualcoyotl> My terminal doesn't typing.
[04:47] <Netzahualcoyotl> Have any of you used the unifying receiver for logitech?
[04:48] <Netzahualcoyotl> Have any of you used solaar?
[04:53] <Netzahualcoyotl> Hello Rooker
[04:53] <Rooker> Hiya
 "Have any of you used the..." <- Yes
 "Have any of you used solaar?" <- Yes
[05:07] <Netzahualcoyotl> fenris[m], can you help me with the zypper command to get aolaar ?
[05:08] <Netzahualcoyotl> fenris[m], can you help me with the zypper command to get solaar ?
[05:10] <tomreyn> Netzahualcoyotl: "zypper" is a package manager of a different distribution than ubuntu - it's most likely not what you want to use to install some software. https://pwr-solaar.github.io/Solaar/ links to two PPAs which you could use with Ubuntu.
[05:11] <tomreyn> Netzahualcoyotl: which ubuntu version do you have there?
[05:13] <tomreyn> solaar and a gnome gui are available in current ubuntu releases (from the "universe" apt repository): https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=solaar
[05:15] <Netzahualcoyotl> Is there a terminal command to get my version number?
[05:16] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds
[05:25] <Netzahualcoyotl> I have Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[05:30] <tomreyn> Netzahualcoyotl: sudo apt update && sudo apt install solaar && solaar &
[05:34] <Netzahualcoyotl> Thank you, all!
[05:35] <tomreyn> - "18.04, "
[05:39] <Bashing-om> !esm
[05:42] <fenris[m]> Bashing-om: ?
 "Netzahualcoyotl: sudo apt update..." <- I used solar & piper
[06:08] <dabbler> My comp has two graphics adapters: one Intel and one Nvidia. How can I tell which one is currently being used? I see instructions online to use "lshw -c video", but that shows both with nothing to indicate which is being used.
[06:13] <tarzeau> dabbler: you're using the one that is connected to the screen. you forgot to tell the screen is built in, and it's a laptop maybe?
[06:15] <dabbler> tarzeau: haha they're both connected to the screen. Yes, it's a laptop
[06:16] <dabbler> I think it's using the Intel, but I'd like to confirm
[06:17] <tarzeau> dabbler: i'm usually not dealing with mobile linux devices. but does /var/log/X*.0 say something about it?
[06:17] <tarzeau> dabbler: what does lspci |grep VGA say? which intel/nvidia hw exactly?
[06:18] <Bashing-om> dabbler: what shows ' prime-select query ' ?
[06:24] <dabbler> tarzeau: ahh I should've thought of that. X log says glamor X acceleration enabled on Mesa Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2)"
[06:26] <dabbler> Bashing-om: I get "on-demand"
[06:29] <dabbler> That's the right Intel model. (The HD Graphics 4000 part, anyway. Not sure about the part after it.) The Nvidia is a GeForce GT 650M.
[06:50] <mkay> hi all i have a problem with my wineinstall-can
[06:50] <mkay> sorry will continue...
[06:51] <mkay> installation and has to do with the key and the repo not being able to be used as its depreciated(not safe). Im running luna lobster
[06:52] <mkay> how could i go about fixing this
[06:52] <mkay> "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv F987672F"?
[06:52] <mkay> 23.04
[06:58] <tomreyn> mkay: please use a pastebin to show the commands you run and the output they produce
[06:58] <tomreyn> also, if oyu are following some guide, tell us which
[06:59] <tomreyn> there is no "wineinstall-can" or "wineinstall" package in ubuntu, apparently you are trying to install from some PPA? which, how?
[07:03] <mkay> will do, shall post soon
[07:26] <dabbler> Now I'm trying to verify that the hardware acceleration of my Intel GPU is generally working. I'm looking at intel_gpu_top while glxgears runs. It shows fluctuating IMC read and write rates, but the Render/3D, Blitter, and Video engines are all stuck at 0.00% usage.
[07:28] <dabbler> The GPU is Intel HD Graphics 4000, built into Ivybridge. Ubuntu is using a built-in driver as I understand it
[07:28] <preach> glxinfo | grep renderer
[07:30] <preach> if it says something not GPU specific like vmware or llvmpipe, that's software rendering
[07:30] <preach> otherwise it should show the specific integrated GPU as the renderer if it's really being used
[07:31] <dabbler> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/W3q2ibdy
[07:32] <dabbler> NVE7
[07:32] <preach> nvidia?
[07:32] <preach> do you have another GPU installed?
[07:32] <PurpleSourDiesel> Hey guys *waves emo hair to the side*
[07:32] <PurpleSourDiesel> I'm trying to figure out how to set fixed desktop icon placements, currently I can place the icons and they will stay in any place, and it activates my OCD because I want a neat GRID of icons, evenly spaced apart.
[07:33] <preach> PurpleSourDiesel: not sure I understand the issue
[07:34] <PurpleSourDiesel> The icons, on my desktop, can be anywhere on the X axis
[07:34] <PurpleSourDiesel> That means two icons can be almost touching
[07:34] <PurpleSourDiesel> I want a grid of evenly spaced apart icons
[07:34] <PurpleSourDiesel> Like grid apper
[07:34] <PurpleSourDiesel> paper
[07:34] <preach> we have no idea what DE you're even using
[07:35] <preach> any potential solution would be different for each one
[07:36] <PurpleSourDiesel> Ubuntu Mate
[07:36] <PurpleSourDiesel> 22.04
[07:37] <dabbler> preach: Yes, there's a GeForce 650M also inside the laptop, but I don't think it's being used. There's a line in X.log that says "glamor X acceleration enabled on Mesa Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2)" and another that says it's enabled on NVE7. I guess I'm back to being unsure which is actually being used
[07:38] <preach> dabbler: the one in glxinfo is being used, so nvidia
[07:38] <preach> you failed to mention this was a laptop
[07:38] <preach> hybrid graphics works very differently
[07:39] <preach> you would need to setup something like bumblebee or PRIME to be able to switch GPUs easily
[07:40] <dabbler> I installed prime-select at the suggestion of someone earlier. prime-select query returns on-demand. They didn't reply, so I don't know what that indicates
[07:42] <dabbler> I don't have any proprietary drivers installed at this point. It's just using the defaults
[07:44] <dabbler> Ok, I used prime-select to set it to intel and it said "done", but intel-gpu-top still shows 0.00% for all engines
[07:47] <jar-el> Good morning, does anyone know how to fix my sound issue on ubuntu 20.04? 5.1 speakers are not visible in the settings at all.
[07:48] <PurpleSourDiesel> Outdated Os...
[07:48] <PurpleSourDiesel> How are the speakers connected?
[07:49] <preach> time to play 20 questions
[07:49] <PurpleSourDiesel> Example answers: Aux Cable, USB, etc
[07:51] <preach> 'settings'
[07:51] <tarzeau> dabbler: what does nvtop show?
[07:52] <dabbler> preach: glxinfo still says renderer is NVE7 even as prime-select query says intel
[07:53] <preach> prime-run glxinfo | grep renderer
[07:55] <preach> I don't know what prime-select is.
[07:55] <tarzeau> preach: try in a terminal: V
[07:55] <tarzeau> whatis prime-select
[07:55] <preach> prime-select: nothing appropriate.
[07:56] <dabbler> tarzeau: nvtop says "No GPU to monitor" no matter what prime-select query is made to say
[07:56] <tarzeau> dabbler: lsmod |grep nvidia? lsmod |grep nouveau?
[07:56] <tarzeau> dabbler: dkms status ?
[07:57] <dabbler> preach: I don't have a prime-run and it's not suggesting any packages to get one
[07:59] <dabbler> lsmod output doesn't contain "nvidia" or "Nvidia"
[07:59] <tarzeau> dabbler: if so, then nvtop can't work
[07:59] <tarzeau> unless, well non-nvidia, supported gpu found
[08:00] <preach> dabbler: do you have optirun ?
[08:01] <dabbler> preach: not yet. Currently installing
[08:02] <dabbler> tarzeau: "lsmod | grep nouveau" outputs about 8 lines
[08:03] <dabbler> Any particular attribute?
[08:03] <tarzeau> depending on the exact nvidia hardware, see lspci |grep VGA. i've found nouveau to be not fit in enterprise use (unless, well latest nvidia driver not supported, outdated hardware)
[08:03] <tarzeau> dabbler: if nouveau driver modules are loaded you're using that free driver
[08:04] <tarzeau> assuming you don't do CUDA stuff. we do, thus no exit of nvidia binary drivers (and needing parallel versions installed, we go with the only option, nvidia repository)
[08:07] <dabbler> Ubuntu suggests nvidia-driver-390 as the tested one. It gives ...418-server as an alternative that isn't marked tested
[08:08] <tarzeau> dabbler: i'm so glad i can just use https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/config.sys/ubuntu-system-cuda non-interactively on a bunch of machines :)
[08:08] <tarzeau> dabbler: sometimes laptop ubuntu users drop in, with the exact same problem as you, and it's just in the fingerbrain, undumpable
[08:09] <dabbler> I remember trying the suggested tested driver before and something didn't work. I can try it again and actually say what happens
[08:11] <dabbler> What's the Ubuntu command-line tool for suggesting proprietary drivers again?
[08:12] <PurpleSourDiesel> Just use the GUI like a noob
[08:12] <preach> lol
[08:13] <dabbler> PurpleSourDiesel: haha it won't install anything because it thinks there's no internet connection. It's due to me not having configured NetworkSomething yet
[08:13] <dabbler> It's a WONTFIX
[08:14] <dabbler> Damn thing won't just try a connection
[08:14] <PurpleSourDiesel> What OS r u on
[08:14] <PurpleSourDiesel> Are u conencted to wifi?
[08:14] <dabbler> Kde installed on top of ubuntu-server
[08:14] <dabbler> No, wired
[08:16] <dabbler> So I think the issue is that my NetworkWhatever wasn't preconfigured by the desktop installer
[08:16] <PurpleSourDiesel> Ok... well whas not workingt
[08:16] <PurpleSourDiesel> whats not working
[08:16] <PurpleSourDiesel> terminal? Wont connect to internet?
[08:17] <PurpleSourDiesel> what specific program wont connect/access internet
[08:18] <dabbler> Internet works fine. A couple kubuntu utilities (like the one for selecting drivers) just say that there's no connectivity because NetworkManager (?) isn't configured to control any interfaces. At least that's my understanding
[08:19] <dabbler> It would succeed if it would just try, but nooo
[08:20] <preach> why should it assume it would work anyway?
[08:20] <dabbler> It doesn't need to assume. It just needs to try.
[08:20] <preach> lol
[08:20] <preach> that's not how things should work
[08:22] <dabbler> Basically, it's one of the KDE utils that aren't coded to handle a situation in which  NetworkManager is installed but isn't managing the interface through which the machine has connectivity
[08:22] <dabbler> That's the wontfix
[08:22] <preach> nice
[08:22] <preach> this is my biggest issue with linux desktop
[08:23] <preach> too fragmented
[08:23] <preach> so everything is just mediocre
[08:23] <preach> there's too many choices
[08:23] <preach> it's not reasonable for one DE to cater to 6 different network daemons
[08:23] <dabbler> I'm kind of amazed the smaller DE dists can keep going
[08:25] <jar-el> PurpleSourDiesel: the speakers are connected with three mini-jacks to the motherboard
[08:26] <jar-el> I have them for years, it always worked, until I upgraded
[08:26] <dabbler> So, anyway, at the risk of overextending my "noob" self :P ... What's the command-line tool for suggesting proprietary drivers again?
[08:26] <dabbler> Because that one will actually work
[08:26] <PurpleHaze420> Im back
[08:27] <PurpleHaze420> Had to surf to a new mainframe
[08:27] <gordonjcp> dabbler: proprietary drivers for what?
[08:27] <Guest30234> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on this computer using the CLI installer. During installation the installer is able to find my wireless NIC, but after booting into the new system, no wifi card is detected at all, and there aren't any wifi tools installed. Any help is appreciatted.
[08:28] <dabbler> gordonjcp: Nvidia GPU
[08:28] <gordonjcp> dabbler: oh, just install it
[08:28] <dabbler> oh ok. Thought I'd have to enable it or something
[08:28] <PurpleHaze420> Guest30234, are you using latest verion of ubuntu Server?
[08:28] <gordonjcp> dabbler: something like "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-<TAB><TAB>" and pick from the list
[08:28] <PurpleHaze420> And what are you installing into? KVM VPS? Dedicated server?
[08:28] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I'm using 22.04 LTS
[08:29] <gordonjcp> dabbler: most recent is nvidia-driver-530
[08:29] <dabbler> gordonjcp: the GUI suggests 390 for mine, says that's tested
[08:29] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: more like a dedicated server. It's just a laptop I'll leave unattended controlling a few radios.
[08:29] <PurpleHaze420> Because, most data centers use Ethernet connecetions not wifi
[08:29] <gordonjcp> dabbler: that seems... old
[08:29] <gordonjcp> dabbler: what card have you got?
[08:29] <PurpleHaze420> how old is the laptop
[08:30] <PurpleHaze420> Can U just connect the laptop to ethernet
[08:30] <dabbler> gordonjcp: it's a 2012 MBP
[08:30] <gordonjcp> well, that may be correct then
[08:30] <gordonjcp> any idea what chip it has?
[08:30] <PurpleHaze420> that is weird though, if it see's wifi during install it should see it after install too
[08:30] <PurpleHaze420> I'd try an ethernet cable, better speed etc and easier to setup into laptop
[08:30] <gordonjcp> dabbler: lspci | grep -i nvidia ought to show you something
[08:30] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: i'd say like 5 years or so. I can connect it to ethernet, but for the moment being, I'd like to have it working through wifi
[08:31] <PurpleHaze420> yeah it should be working
[08:31] <PurpleHaze420> if it saw the wifi during install
[08:31] <PurpleHaze420> does ur laptop have a WIFI hardware or function switch
[08:31] <PurpleHaze420> maybe WIFI is OFF at firmware level
[08:31] <dabbler>  gordonjcp:  Internet connection isn't my issue, fortunately. Wired works. Just haven't installed driver for WiFi yet. Want to sort out video first
[08:32] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: well, it has, but only if ubuntu itself has switched it off. I do not touch this controls, and it gets detected during install, but not on soubsequent boots
[08:32] <dabbler> PurpleHaze420: lol oops
[08:33] <PurpleHaze420> yeah that is weird
[08:33] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: maybe I should try a HWE kernel? Is the install kernel any different from the one installed?
[08:33] <PurpleHaze420> try activating WIFI via the function keys
[08:33] <gordonjcp> dabbler: hah, two people having conversations at once :-)
[08:33] <PurpleHaze420> It should be the same
[08:33] <gordonjcp> dabbler: I guess 390 is about right for a ten year old machine
[08:33] <PurpleHaze420> Is the Ubuntu .iso a net installer or full-installer
[08:33] <PurpleHaze420> is it 22.04.2 LTS?
[08:33] <PurpleHaze420> Or just 22.04?
[08:34] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Its a full installer. It's 22.04.1 LTS.
[08:34] <PurpleHaze420> hmmmm yeah
[08:34] <PurpleHaze420> Get latest 22.04.2
[08:34] <PurpleHaze420> 22.04.2 is latest for Desktop Ubuntu
[08:34] <PurpleHaze420> IDK if server latest is 22.04.1
[08:34] <PurpleHaze420> or 22.04.2
[08:34] <PurpleHaze420> but if theres 22.04.2, use that
[08:34] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Maybe I'm talking nonsense, I downloaded latest Ubuntu yesterday
[08:35] <PurpleHaze420> https://ubuntu.com/download/server
[08:35] <PurpleHaze420> latest version is 22.04.2
[08:36] <PurpleHaze420> try latest version maybe ur glitch is fixed in latest version
[08:37] <PurpleHaze420> just a starting point
[08:37] <PurpleHaze420> as a secondary test, can u use a Linux live USB with WIFI working?
[08:38] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I appreciated your help, I'm booting my current installer again to check if I have the latest version. I'm also reinstalling this, I messed up yesterday while trying to sort this out.
[08:38] <PurpleHaze420> Get that 22.04.2 version
[08:38] <PurpleHaze420> I reccomend using "Blania Etcher" to create the LIVE USB to install with
[08:38] <dabbler> preach: before I install the Nvidia driver, did you still want me to do something with optirun?
[08:39] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Previously this laptop was running fedora, it was the only distro that would have this wifi working after installation. I had tried other flavours of ubuntu and they wouldn't work. I was trying the 20.04 LTS desktop flavours however.
[08:40] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: It just booted up, I'm running 24.02.2
[08:41] <PurpleHaze420> https://etcher.balena.io/#download-etcher
[08:41] <PurpleHaze420> 24.02.4 is old I think
[08:41] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: interesting, this time I asked to liveUSB to boot into the HWE kernel, and it doesn't detect the wifi
[08:42] <PurpleHaze420> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[08:42] <PurpleHaze420> get latest software versions lol
[08:42] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Sorry, my bad, I meant 22.04.2
[08:42] <PurpleHaze420> ok
[08:42] <PurpleHaze420> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS on ur desktop/home install or the server OS?
[08:43] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: server, since I meant to leave this as an unattended headless machine
[08:43] <PurpleHaze420> ok so server is latest version hmmm
[08:44] <PurpleHaze420> sounds like you may have an obscure WIFI driver
[08:44] <PurpleHaze420> chipset
[08:45] <PurpleHaze420> and maybe theres no support for it with some linux Kernels
[08:45] <PurpleHaze420> U said Fedora worked, and Fedora uses a newer kernel I THINK
[08:45] <PurpleHaze420> so maybe... you either wait a few years until ubuntu updates the kernel to a new LTS version
[08:45] <PurpleHaze420> Or use Fedora and just run ur server software on that
[08:45] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: how come I be able too configure it and use it during the installation then?
[08:46] <PurpleHaze420> Idk honestly
[08:46] <PurpleHaze420> U did see WIFI during install, confirmed?
[08:46] <PurpleHaze420> I've never experienced that though, Its either WIFI works, during installer and post-install, or it doesnt and I have to manually install a wifi driver, then it works
[08:47] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Yes, confirmed, I have to select my SSID and input my password, it does even show the IP it got from the DHCP
[08:47] <PurpleHaze420> wow
[08:47] <PurpleHaze420> I've never experienced that glitch
[08:48] <PurpleHaze420> https://itsfoss.com/fix-no-wireless-network-ubuntu/
[08:49] <PurpleHaze420> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233934/no-internet-connection-after-ubuntu-server-20-04-install-ifconfig-not-available
[08:49] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: the installation program has a "info" screen for the iface configuration, it shows the driver as being rtl8723bs
[08:50] <PurpleHaze420> https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs
[08:50] <PurpleHaze420> Says that wifi driver is built-into the kernel, which is why u see wifi networks during install...
[08:50] <PurpleHaze420> https://github.com/anthonywong/rtl8723bs
[08:50] <PurpleHaze420> Yeah its merged years ago...
[08:51] <PurpleHaze420> Try the hardware WIFI switch
[08:51] <PurpleHaze420> Maybe u just need to enable wifi via firmware hardware switch
[08:51] <PurpleHaze420> maybe WIFI is disabled in BIOS/UEFI
[08:51] <Guest30234> Okay, I'm reinstalling this and will give this a try
[08:51] <PurpleHaze420> are yo manually assigning ur IP or something
[08:51] <PurpleHaze420> Or are u using standard DCHP
[08:52] <PurpleHaze420> DHCP
[08:52] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: well it could be, but I just booted the installer and it can see the wifi card. If this wasn't enable it shouldn't see it right? No other actions on my side
[08:52] <PurpleHaze420> do U see wifi networks too
[08:52] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: standard DHCP from the router
[08:52] <PurpleHaze420> Does the wifi card have a status? enabled/disabled etc
[08:52] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Yes, my own network and neighbours as well
[08:53] <PurpleHaze420> ok
[08:53] <PurpleHaze420> so wahts your next steps
[08:53] <PurpleHaze420> Do yu connect to a network, then install normally
[08:53] <PurpleHaze420> do U do anything unusual
[08:54] <PurpleHaze420> are u experienced with installing Ubuntu server
[08:54] <PurpleHaze420> do you know what ur doing basically
[08:55] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I connect to my network, it detects a new installer version, ask me if I like to use it, and then proceed to installation, no fancy actions on my side
[08:55] <PurpleHaze420> do U use the new or old installer
[08:55] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with the command line, have been using linux since 1995, kernel version 2.0... already had to compile the kernel a few times myself to get things working before kernel modulesd were a thing
[08:56] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I already tried both approaches
[08:56] <PurpleHaze420> ok...
[08:56] <PurpleHaze420> proceeede
[08:57] <PurpleHaze420> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=327578
[08:58] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: but now that you insisted, the installer shows the card as disabled... I do not explicitly enable it, but it looks like the installer does so when I ask it to search for nearby SSIDs
[08:58] <PurpleHaze420> insisted as what?
[08:58] <PurpleHaze420> ok so
[08:58] <faLUKE> hello, how can I upgrade from 21.10 (EOL) to the current release?
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> Maybe u just need to enable the WIFI adapter
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> can U see the wifi adapter after install
[08:59] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: for me to check for any status it might have during installation
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> yeah ok
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> good
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> if its disabled... we can enable it =)
[08:59] <faLUKE> I tried apt update, but it says: "Err:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish Release    404  Not Found "
[08:59] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: You mean before I reboot?
[08:59] <Guest30234> Or after?
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> go ahead and reboot I dont think it matters
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> reboot, then we can try to enable wifi card
[08:59] <PurpleHaze420> faLUKE maybe your too old a version to do an upgrade
[09:00] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I need to finish installation first, it's going to take several minutes
[09:00] <faLUKE> this link says to edit apt/sources.list   https://serverfault.com/questions/1106691/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-21-10-to-22-04-after-eol   but I can't find lines to  replace
[09:00] <PurpleHaze420> Just a specualtion, sometimes if ur version is too old, with some software, u cant directly upgrade, but have to simple reformat and install newest version
[09:00] <PurpleHaze420> Ok sounds good 30234
[09:00] <PurpleHaze420> Isnt it very simple like sudo apt full-upgrade?
[09:01] <PurpleHaze420> updates the kernel at least.. i think
[09:02] <PurpleHaze420> https://dandraka.com/2020/05/31/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-from-an-unsupported-version/
[09:02] <faLUKE> PurpleHaze420: I can't re-install
[09:02] <PurpleHaze420> Honestly, I'd just reformat and re-install with newest iso
[09:03] <PurpleHaze420> Upgrading from really old versions is harder the older it is, I'd think
[09:03] <PurpleHaze420> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/cant-update-old-ubuntu-version/17703/2
[09:04] <PurpleHaze420> Read the 2nd reply
[09:04] <PurpleHaze420> rs2009
[09:05] <PurpleHaze420> nvm rs2009 answer looks wrong
[09:05] <PurpleHaze420> partially
[09:06] <PurpleHaze420> Well.. why can't you just fresh install newest version?
[09:06] <PurpleHaze420> You can probably backup and copy-over your bookmarks, most files like documents and PDFs etc
[09:08] <faLUKE> PurpleHaze420: I see
[09:09] <PurpleHaze420> Upgrades are always complicated IME, I always just fresh install latest kernel anytime a new LTS comes around
[09:10] <PurpleHaze420> faLUke so have u tried the official method
[09:10] <PurpleHaze420> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#1-before-you-start
[09:11] <gordonjcp> PurpleHaze420: same
[09:11] <gordonjcp> new LTS?
[09:11] <gordonjcp> just buy a new SSD, and do a clean install
[09:11] <PurpleHaze420> U can keep ur old Disk lol
[09:11] <gordonjcp> yeah but why would you?
[09:11] <PurpleHaze420> But yeah, clean fresh install is always most likely to work
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> because u can just format it and re-install latest OS
[09:12] <gordonjcp> if you replace it, you have all your old data
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> oh well yeah
[09:12] <gordonjcp> and your new disk will be bigger and faster
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> I don't really have any data to backup, intentionally
[09:12] <gordonjcp> I have *shitloads*
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> just a few songs bookmarked
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> lol
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> yeah I used to as-well
[09:12] <gordonjcp> I completely fill a couple of TB every few months
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> but I reformat and change OSs so much I dont bother storing anything
[09:12] <gordonjcp> and that's with deleting many many TB over those months
[09:12] <PurpleHaze420> other than a few songs as firefox bookmarks lol
[09:13] <PurpleHaze420> nice
[09:13] <elias_a> A general remark: IMHO it is both convenient and wise to have a separate partition for /home. This enables user to install a new version without messing with /home partition. It should be backuped in spite of this, of course.
[09:13] <gordonjcp> PurpleHaze420: short of particle physics experiments, nothing fills up disk like videos
[09:13] <PurpleHaze420> Guys, sidenote, checkout Phind, AI search engine for coders
[09:13] <PurpleHaze420> yeah of course
[09:13] <PurpleHaze420> https://www.phind.com/
[09:14] <gordonjcp> I don't do 4k but I shoot a lot
[09:14] <gordonjcp> and I mostly shoot 1080p25 at 35Mbps
[09:14] <PurpleHaze420> Yeah I'm addicted to the H too...
[09:14] <PurpleHaze420> Oh you mean photography shoot
[09:14] <PurpleHaze420> nice "same here"
[09:15] <PurpleHaze420> jk lol, yeah that makes sense about your disks
[09:15] <gordonjcp> PurpleHaze420: well, video, but yeah
[09:15] <PurpleHaze420> But have you considered just using cloud storage, microsoft has some good deals
[09:15] <PurpleHaze420> Lots of free cloud storage these days
[09:15] <gordonjcp> PurpleHaze420: you can't use cloud storage for video
[09:15] <PurpleHaze420> Several TBs for free
[09:15] <PurpleHaze420> what why
[09:15] <PurpleHaze420> Its just another file-type it should work
[09:16] <gordonjcp> the fastest SSDs in the world are too slow for video
[09:16] <PurpleHaze420> to store or what
[09:16] <PurpleHaze420> I mean video plays on HDDs so idk what u mean
[09:16] <gordonjcp> sticking it on the far end of a slow crappy network connection is just going to make that worse
[09:16] <gordonjcp> if you're just playing back "delivery format" stuff in like h.264/h.265 or whatever then sure
[09:17] <gordonjcp> you can't even edit off a SAN though
[09:17] <dabbler> Ok, this is what happens when I install the tested proprietary Nvidia driver (v. 390) https://www.imgpaste.net/image/KgMa4a
[09:17] <gordonjcp> like, even on 1Gbit networking it's too bloody slow
[09:17] <gordonjcp> dabbler: to be honest I'd be surprised if nouveau wasn't your best bet for a card that old
[09:17] <dabbler> During boot, after losing the kernel module there's graphical corruption and... nothing more
[09:17] <gordonjcp> dabbler: is there a specific reason you need the proprietary driver?
[09:18] <gordonjcp> dabbler: I'm going to come out and say it, if you're looking for CUDA you're going to have a sad and disappointing time with a GT650
[09:18] <PurpleHaze420> dude thats too much
[09:18] <PurpleHaze420> Like why do U need 1 gbps to do what
[09:18] <PurpleHaze420> stream?
[09:19] <PurpleHaze420> Record
[09:19] <PurpleHaze420> it shouldnt be that intensive
[09:19] <gordonjcp> PurpleHaze420: if you're editing video you're using really really large files, more-or-less uncompressed video
[09:19] <dabbler> gordonjcp: I'm trying to get switchable graphics to work, or at least hardware acceleration
[09:19] <dabbler> No plans for cuda
[09:19] <gordonjcp> PurpleHaze420: this is shading off into #ubuntu-offtopic territory though
[09:19] <gordonjcp> dabbler: nouveau ought to give you as much hardware acceleration as you're ever going to get from it...
[09:19] <PurpleHaze420> dabbler, are u trying to use the powerful GPU
[09:19] <PurpleHaze420> is integrated GPU working?
[09:21] <PurpleHaze420> Guest30234 , hows it going
[09:21] <PurpleHaze420> Ubuntu-mate is slightly obscure with its installation, it asked if I wanted to do KVM, or something else... Ive only ever isntalled with KVM
[09:23] <PurpleHaze420> is everyone sleep... :o
[09:23] <dabbler> PurpleHaze420: I'd certainly like to be able to use the more powerful discrete GPU. The integrated one works, but hardware acceleration doesn't seem to actually happen using it, looking at intel_gpu_top
[09:23] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: still installing, had to start over because I wasn't getting any IP from the router, and the installer didn't time up the DHCP client process
[09:24] <PurpleHaze420> sounds rough guest
[09:24] <PurpleHaze420> maybe just get a Raspberry PI for ur needs
[09:24] <PurpleHaze420> dabbler, for what, gaming?
[09:25] <dabbler> I'd like the discrete to work for gaming. Hardware acceleration on discrete for everything else
[09:25] <dabbler> E.g. video
[09:25] <dabbler> *acceleration on integrated
[09:27] <PurpleHaze420> what GPU drivers have u tried
[09:27] <dabbler> "Recovery mode" still tries to use proprietary drivers? -_-
[09:29] <dabbler> PurpleHaze420: nouveau and Nvidia 390 for discrete. Ubuntu built-in for integrated
[09:29] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I guess it's okay, the wifi signal isnt very strong where I am
[09:51] <PurpleHaze420> guest
[09:51] <PurpleHaze420> does it work now?
[09:52] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: just booted into the new system, no wifi at all
[09:52] <Guest30234> I can the system does indeed try to load a few start jobs during system bootup, but DHCP fails
[09:53] <PurpleHaze420> did u enable the wifi adapter
[09:53] <Guest30234> Listing interface card with ip link doesn't show wlan0
[09:53] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: Yes, it's enabled in the UEFI, there is no soft or hard switch to enable it
[09:54] <PurpleHaze420> hmm
[09:56] <PurpleHaze420> I'd connect to internet via Ethernet cable, then fully update
[09:56] <PurpleHaze420> Another guess, maybe the wifi driver code is just abandoned
[09:56] <PurpleHaze420> because its so old
[09:56] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: I might give this a try, I'm just checking boot messages for any obvious failure reason
[09:57] <Guest30234> PurpleHaze420: however it works (for some distros and during installation). I'm betting on some badly written startup script
[09:58] <ogra> if there is a working driver and the config in /etc/netplan/ is correct you should get working wifi just fine ...
[09:58] <Guest30234> ogra: it works fine during system installation, but after I boot up on the newly installed system, there is no wifi at all
[10:00] <ogra> can you check "dpkg -l | grep wpasupplicant" ... is that package installed
[10:01] <Guest30234> ogra: it is
[10:03] <ogra> k
[10:03] <ogra> then at least all reqs. are fulfilled ...
[10:04] <ogra> do you have an entry for a wlan card in /etc/netplan/*.yaml ?
[10:04] <Guest30234> ogra: and I have a boot message "Sucessfully initialized wpa_supplicant"
[10:07] <Guest30234> Sorry gentlemen, I got disconnected
[10:08] <Guest30234> ogra: I have a file named "00-installer-config-wifi.yaml", and it does indeed have my wifi config as its contents, is that it?
[10:08] <ogra> that should be it, yeah ...
[10:08] <ogra> so it boils down to a kernel driver then ... all userspace bits are correct
[10:10] <Guest30234> Yeah, most probably. Any ideas?
[10:11] <ogra> "cat /proc/net/dev" ... does that list any wifi device r anything that looks like it could be wifi ?
[10:11] <PurpleHaze420> The network card he is using, was merged into the linux kernel, so it should be well-supported
[10:12] <ogra> "was merged" -> into what kernel version ? ?
[10:12] <PurpleHaze420> years ago
[10:12] <PurpleHaze420> like 5-10 years ago it was merged in I think
[10:13] <PurpleHaze420> https://github.com/anthonywong/rtl8723bs
[10:13] <PurpleHaze420> 'Since Linux 4.12, rtl8723bs has been merged.'
[10:17] <ogra> well, these kind of drivers usually live from their firmware ... might be that the linux-firmware package is missing a file or symlink
[10:19] <PurpleHaze420> But it worked during Installation
[10:19] <ogra> .... aaand google agrees ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/1428768/rtl8723bs-wireless-problems-after-upgrade-to-jammy
[10:19] <PurpleHaze420> ;D
[10:19] <PurpleHaze420> There she blows
[10:20] <PurpleHaze420> @Guest30234
[10:20] <PurpleHaze420> Did he go offline D:
[10:20] <ogra> yep
[10:21] <PurpleHaze420> just when you had his answer lol
[10:21] <PurpleHaze420> Only 12 minutes ago
[10:21] <PurpleHaze420> is he offline or just afk
[10:22] <PurpleHaze420> sDo you guys think a BIOS/UEFI password will help secure my laptop against offline physical attacks, such as installing evil maid?
[10:23] <ogra> that and enabled secureboot
[10:23] <PurpleHaze420> I have secureboot on
[10:24] <PurpleHaze420> I now need to set a UEFI/BIOS password
[10:24] <PurpleHaze420> Is BIOS completely gone now
[10:24] <PurpleHaze420> is all new systems just uefi
[10:25] <ogra> well, yes and no ... usually UEFI has a BIOS compatibility mode ... so while you use UEFI you can often enough use it in the old mode
[10:25] <PurpleHaze420> Whats the difference
[10:27] <PurpleHaze420> Alright I'll set a BIOS/UEFI password
[10:27] <PurpleHaze420> So then it will be 3 passwords to access my desktop lol
[10:27] <PurpleHaze420> UEFI password, FDE LUKS pass, Linux user account pass
[10:27] <ogra> can't you set a UEFI password only for access to the UEFI config ?
[10:28] <ogra> you should not need one set for general boot
[10:28] <ogra> just to disallow access to changing configs
[10:28] <PurpleHaze420> well I kinda like it
[10:28] <PurpleHaze420> I mean
[10:28] <ogra> heh
[10:28] <PurpleHaze420> it kinda prevents somebody from accessing the password entry section
[10:28] <PurpleHaze420> But The attacker could just remove the ssd
[10:29] <PurpleHaze420> and access the FDE pass
[10:29] <PurpleHaze420> so the Bootup UEFI pass doesnt really protect anything does it? Because it doesnt involve any encryption
[10:29] <ogra> well, it should protect access to the settings ...
[10:29] <PurpleHaze420> like being able to disable secureboot
[10:29] <PurpleHaze420> ok good call
[10:30] <ogra> but a proper UEFI has differentiation between access to configs and having to give a PW for "just booting"
[10:30] <PurpleHaze420> Yeah
[10:30] <PurpleHaze420> Ill set it and brb
[10:35] <PurpleHazeBlaze> Im back
[10:35] <PurpleHazeBlaze> My setup it perfect now
[10:36] <PurpleHazeBlaze> Password to edit UEFI settings, such as to disable secure boot!
[10:36] <PurpleHazeBlaze> But, no bootup password, as that wouldnt stop an advanced attacker
[10:44] <dabbler> when I install the tested proprietary Nvidia driver suggested by Ubuntu for my laptop (v. 390), I get this: https://www.imgpaste.net/image/KgMa4a  During boot, after loading the kernel module there's graphical corruption and... the boot process stops
[10:46] <dabbler> Any ideas for tweaking something (kernel options) before I revert to the default driver?
[10:56] <Guest30234> ogra, sorry I got to get into a call
[10:57] <ogra> Guest30234, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1428768/rtl8723bs-wireless-problems-after-upgrade-to-jammy
[10:57] <Guest30234> ogra: "cat /proc/net/dev" only shows the loopback device
[10:57] <ogra> might be an outdated firmware package
[10:57]  * ogra needs to go to a call now too ...
[11:04] <TownyGamer22> opinions of https://xanmod.org/?
[11:07] <oerheks> TownyGamer22, this is ubuntu support only, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[11:07] <TownyGamer22> Thanks
[11:07] <ogra> alongside ... completely unsupported/unsupportable on ubuntu ...
[11:11]  * ogra notes also that ubuntu has supported realtime as well as lowlatency kernels already ... there is no need for such hackish stuff 
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:42] <zteam> Hello, quick question is there any real downsides to converting the filesystem from ext4 to btrf (does btrfs eats up much more diskspace, and what about performance and stability?
[12:42] <donofrio> is there a cmdline script to install ubuntu?
[12:42] <tarzeau> zteam: if you overfill the fs, it might break
[12:42] <tarzeau> donofrio: debootstrap ? github it
[12:42] <tarzeau> zteam: big plus: unlimited inodes, live compression
[12:43] <tarzeau> zteam: about performance and stability, i've been using it on workstations for 5 years (about 250 machines, about 1000 users)
[12:43] <tarzeau> zteam: from 16 GB to 80 TB
[12:44] <tarzeau> xfs is an alternative
[12:45] <donofrio> tarzeau, did you just recommend a debian script for ubuntu ;)
[12:46] <zteam> tarzeau, by break I assume you mean the system will become un-bootable right? not that the actual fs becomes corrupted?
[12:49] <zteam> tarzeau, well, I was mostly considered to convert my fs to use Timeshift more efficiently (to be able to rollback updates)
[12:51] <chilversc> there's also some features that might not be available on btrfs such as bmap address_space_operation (I've not checked recently so that might have changed). So you'd need to test it with the software you use.
[12:51] <tarzeau> donofrio: it's just the name of the script. it perfectly well works on ubuntu
[12:52] <tarzeau> zteam: i've never used btrfs file system for booting. i really mean it becomes corrupted as all data lost. happened once to one of the machines i listed you
[12:55] <zteam> tarzeau, that sounds just insane, why aren't there a mechanism to prevent this?
[12:56] <pa> hi folks, how to report a bug to https://bugs.launchpad.net/~mozillateam ? cant find the link/button
[12:56] <tarzeau> zteam: well there are. a proper system administrator monitors the system and makes sure it doesn't happen
[12:56] <tarzeau> zteam: i mean, you'll find the source on the internet, and you can write patches to prevent it ?
[12:57] <tarzeau> pa: mozilla bug tracking, directly to upstream
[12:57] <pa> tarzeau: umh..meaning?
[12:57] <pa> isnt this a ppa?
[12:57] <tarzeau> zteam: and, well it can happen, sometimes when you're lucky nothing breaks
[12:57] <tarzeau> pa: it is, but it's done by the mozilla developers themselves afaik
[12:58] <pa> ah i see
[12:58] <pa> so i should report it to mozilla ?
[12:58] <tarzeau> i think so, yes. depending what the bug is?
[12:59] <pa> 114.0 packages break tab session manager. and they already removed 113.0 debs.. currently running on the offy binary from website
[13:00] <ogra> donofrio, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/automated-server-installation/16612
[13:00] <zteam> tarzeau, of course I agree, that any good sysadmin should do that, but if it's that critical, it seems to me that the FileSystem should do it, but that's just my opinon, the are surerly a good reason, for why there arew no such checks :_)
[13:01] <tarzeau> zteam: i agree completely :)
[13:05] <zteam> chilversc, thanks for telling me, it seems that usig btrfs might cause me more headache than it saves me then. :-)
[13:09] <chilversc> The features thing tends to only cause an issue if you're using something that really cares about the filesystem features (e.g backup tools, cachefiles). Most standard applications wouldn't notice a difference.
[14:04] <donofrio> orga, etal - basically the new full gui installer script doesn't seem to be working on my older notebook so I was hoping for a switch or some way I can run it  in text qt mode or something like that?
[14:17] <ogra> donofrio, what gui installer script ?
[14:19] <donofrio> ogra, ubuntu-desktop-installer
[14:20] <ogra> donofrio, the thing i pointed you to is for unattended/scripted installs of ubuntu-server ... you could use the autoinstall scripting to then have it automatically install ubuntu-desktop as the last step and be done ...
[14:30] <donofrio> does anyone know if there is a text version of ubuntu-desktop-installer (without other scripts?)
[14:31] <oerheks> one could install the desktop on a server.
[14:33] <webchat452> I just recently switched from CentOS to Ubuntu 22.04 on the server side. Having a weird issue where some windows clients cannot connect to the server unless a ping request is generated from the server first. It looks like the arp isn't being updated for that client until ping is sent from the server to a client. Using networkd in netplan
[14:35] <webchat452> Didn't have that issue with CentOS on the same network, didn't know if it was a misconfiguration or a know bug.
[14:38] <webchat452> I saw where some were having an issues if NetworkManager was running along-side networkd, but NetworkManager is not installed.
[14:38] <oerheks> can you post your netplan yaml?
[14:38] <oerheks> !paste
[14:40] <Guest1> Hi
[14:40] <webchat452> # This is the network config written by 'subiquity'
[14:40] <webchat452> network:
[14:40] <webchat452>     ethernets:
[14:40] <webchat452>         eno8303:
[14:40] <webchat452>             dhcp4: false
[14:40] <webchat452>             addresses: [10.10.10.252/24]
[14:40] <oerheks> no, not like that;
[14:40] <Guest1> any medical  chanel i can join
[14:40] <leftyfb> !alis | Guest1
[14:44] <webchat452> !paste
[14:45] <billion> greeting all
[14:45] <webchat452> https://dpaste.com/9K63WAUKS
[14:46] <billion> please can anyone help me with i need to good smtp for spamming buke emails
[14:46] <billion> ???????????????????//
[14:47] <leftyfb> billion: you're not going to get help with that here.
[14:48] <oerheks> not an ubuntu support issue, spamming support.
[14:48] <billion> please which room can i get the help
[14:48] <leftyfb> !alis | billion
[14:49] <oerheks> none, #libera is not your network for such awkward questions, i guess
[14:49] <billion> thanks
[15:02] <webchat452> does that config look ok?
[15:03] <zaggynl> what are we looking at?
[15:04] <webchat452> https://dpaste.com/9K63WAUKS
[15:20] <explodes> I upgraded an ubuntu installation from 20 to 22 but forgot about it halfway through and my ssh session terminated
[15:20] <explodes> After the heartattack I found I was able to resume the upgrade with dpkg --configure -a
[15:20] <explodes> Phew.
[15:21] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | explodes
[15:35] <blankname> hi all is there a way to preserve a driver during an update in 18.04
[15:36] <tarzeau> blankname: a driver being a dkms package? or installed from source kernel module?
[15:36] <tarzeau> blankname: what driver is that exactly?
[15:38] <blankname> tarzeau, i always have to do this : build-essential git dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r) -y
[15:38] <blankname> ...every now and then after an update
[15:39] <blankname> driver : https://github.com/kelebek333/rtl8188fu
[15:41] <tarzeau> blankname: for your wireless? why not create a dkms pkg?
[15:41] <blankname> tarzeau, im not that techi yet
[15:41] <tarzeau> blankname: i've done it with: http://sid.ethz.ch/debian/atlantic-dkms/
[15:41] <tarzeau> it's pretty easy
[15:43] <blankname> or maybe ill just re download the driver again after some update,but i need to know w/c update is causing the wifi adapter to disappear
[15:43] <oerheks> that dkms builds the driver every kernel update, comfortably
[15:44] <blankname> oerheks, w/o re downloading again the driver ?
[15:44] <oerheks> yes?
[15:45] <blankname> oerheks, ayt,that sounds a good option,can u pls point me to the right direction sir/mam
[15:45] <oerheks> wait, at the end of this page, a PPA with that dkms
[15:45] <oerheks> https://github.com/kelebek333/rtl8188fu
[15:46] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~kelebek333/+archive/ubuntu/kablosuz?field.series_filter=bionic
[15:47] <oerheks> this guys does a lot of effort for those devices
[15:47] <blankname> ok.so hmm is the ppa route better than creating a dkms pkg ?
[15:47] <oerheks> if you can create one on your own, that is oke
[15:47] <blankname> nah,cant at the moment
[15:48] <blankname> can i proceed w/ the ppa,while the wifi adapter is still being recognize or working well ?
[15:48] <oerheks> or downlod the dkms manually https://launchpad.net/~kelebek333/+archive/ubuntu/kablosuz/+files/rtl8192fu-dkms_5.8.6.2~bionic10_all.deb
[15:49] <oerheks> from https://launchpad.net/~kelebek333/+archive/ubuntu/kablosuz/+packages
[15:49] <blankname> i see
[15:49] <oerheks> but then one does not get updates.
[15:49] <oerheks> i wonder if there will be any, but oke
[15:49] <blankname> that the cons :(
[15:50] <oerheks> yes, just to make sure you have the whole story
[15:50] <blankname> so hmm.. what about update,then install the wifi.deb
[15:51] <oerheks> have fun!
[15:51] <blankname> ayt ayt
[15:52] <blankname> tnx everyone
[15:52] <blankname> :)
[15:57] <blankname> btw,do you guys have an alternative to drawer dock,cant seem to open te settings anymore on 18.04
[15:57] <blankname> *the
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> blankname: 18.04 is end of life now
[16:01] <blankname> lotuspsychje,  are all ubuntu releases secured enough even w/o hardening ?
[16:02] <oerheks> oh indeed, 2 days now
[16:02] <oerheks> upgrade to 20.04? 2 more years support to go
[16:03] <blankname> oerheks, i think it just made an update 1 day ago.. so if reaches the end it wont anymore ?
[16:03] <leftyfb> blankname: that's a very broad and trick question. security is a spectrum
[16:03] <oerheks> you might not have the latest intel-firmware..
[16:03] <oerheks> yes, not without ESM/PRO
[16:05] <blankname> sigh,time to update again,i just dont like the fixing some parts that get broke after the upgrade
[16:06] <leftyfb> blankname: I use ansible to automate rebuilding my machines from scratch
[16:08] <blankname> leftyfb, interesting ill check on that.. i just use timeshift.. is ansible good between transitions from 1 release to another ?
[16:12] <leftyfb> blankname: ansible is basically a script that runs lots of commands and tasks you would normally do by hand
[16:12] <leftyfb> it's a configuration management tool, not a backup for files
[16:12] <leftyfb> though I do use it to also restore my files from my backup at the end
[16:13] <blankname> i see
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> !focal | blankname read also the releasenotes before LTS upgrading
[16:21] <blankname> lotuspsychje,  i really dont have any alternative ,cant skip 1 release,got to install fossa first
[16:21] <blankname> ubottu
[16:23] <blankname> gonna use : sudo do-release-upgrade -d -f DistUpgradeViewGtk3 from https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today
[16:23] <oerheks> -d is development, that would be ... 23.10
[16:24] <blankname> the site says: d - this allows us to upgrade to 20.04; normally, this option is used by early testers to try development versions of Ubuntu ahead of their official release. We will use it to start the upgrade. While the labels say "development", don't worry - we will in fact be upgrading to the stable, official release of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.  so ill just remove te -d then ?
[16:25] <blankname> the
[16:27] <oerheks> look at the date?
[16:27] <oerheks> 20.04 was not released yet, and the only way to upgrade early is the -d option
[16:27] <oerheks> now the -d is 23.10
[16:27] <oerheks> !23.10
[16:28] <blankname> ayt. so no -d then
[16:29] <blankname> whew,almost followed that blog.
[16:34] <Mypc> j #ubuntu
[16:42] <webchat35> i recently updated 22.04 and now in microsoft virtual machine i have no keyboard or mouse inputs. what can be done to restore usage.
[16:45] <oerheks> microsoft virtual machine, is that a snap?
[16:46] <oerheks> oh wait, i read it wrong, ubuntu as VM on microsoft
[16:46] <webchat35> ubuntu 22.04 is loaded into MS virtual machine
[16:47] <webchat35> the recent sudo apt update has blocked me now form using the mouse and the keyboard in the VM
[16:48] <oerheks> when booting, hold shift, to get into grub, and boot the previous kernel
[16:48] <webchat35> i can no longer use an older version
[16:49] <oerheks> no clue then, time to reinstall?
[16:49] <webchat35> i can bring up the login and enter id and pw but after that im blocked
[16:50] <oerheks> every ubuntu install keeps 2 kernels.. but oke
[16:53] <webchat2> Hi again guys.
[16:55] <webchat2> Last time, I was struggling with my Bluetooth Mouse and jeremy31 assisted along the way. They noticed some issues related to the Bluetooth firmware (Intel Microcode), and I applied a patch, but the issue persists.
[16:55] <webchat35> is there any way to access old kernels from the grub root directory
[16:55] <webchat2> I unfortunately had to leave because my shift ended.
[16:57] <webchat2> With that being said, what can be done?
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> webchat2: wich ubuntu release was that and did you have a bug ID about it?
[17:00] <webchat2> 22.04.02 LTS.
[17:00] <webchat2> And no bug ID.
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> webchat2: could you share your dmesg in a !paste please, so volunteers can take a look for you
[17:01] <webchat2> Why of course! Much appreciated.
[17:02] <webchat2> Just need a min.
[17:02] <oerheks> i use bluez, to connect BT devices, scan, pair, trust. especially the trust part is important for autoconnections
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah blueman is handy
[17:03] <oerheks> smart people find the cli manual to do so
[17:03] <webchat2> Man, someone showed me a command that would generate a link like pastebin, but I forgot what it was.
[17:04] <oerheks> !paste
[17:05] <WaV> < command to paste > | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:05] <webchat2> It's that, thanks WaV!
[17:06] <webchat2> There: https://termbin.com/zquh7
[17:09] <oerheks> no bug id .. and how about that patch? any url that gives us a help?
[17:09] <oerheks> what usb mouse, what ubuntu kernel etc
[17:11] <webchat2> It isn't an USB mouse, it is a Bluetooth mouse. It is a Microsoft Bluetooth Mouse 3600. And uname -r returned: 5.19.0-43-generic
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> webchat2: 4.819430] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: firmware Patch file not found, tried:
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> in your dmesg
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> webchat2: then a few of these; 842.068715] Bluetooth: hci0: corrupted ACL packet
[17:14] <webchat2> Strange, I remember having installed it. Well, guess it is time to look it up.
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> webchat2: can you try unplug the adapter, then plug back in, see if that fixes or not?
[17:15] <webchat2> Adapter?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> maybe leave a journalctl -f open meanwhile
[17:15] <oerheks> oh, a problem mouse, since 2016 ...
[17:15] <webchat2> What do you mean by adapter?
[17:15] <oerheks> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/596610/bluetooth-mouse-sleeps-after-a-few-seconds-idle-when-there-is-no-other-mouse-con
[17:16] <oerheks> power save issue https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/679811
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> oh its mobo built in
[17:16] <webchat2> I'm fairly sure it is a module.
[17:17] <webchat2> It does not do that after a few seconds, it's kinda random.
[17:17] <webchat2> But yeah, it disconnects.
[17:17] <webchat2> Worth following that lead, oerheks.
[17:18] <oerheks> i see that this bt mouse is still sold, EUR30
[17:19] <webchat2> oerheks Paid like 25EUR back then IIRC.
[17:20] <webchat2> I looked up the bluetooth module, it looks like it is a BCM20702A0
[17:20] <webchat2> Where do I find the drivers, on Broadcom's website?
[17:21] <ubuntu> Hi. I'm trying to install ubuntu but when I bring up the installer it just closes. I try to launch from terminal and I don't see anything that stands out as useful in debugging
[17:21] <Guest6597> I previously had ubuntu installed and just installed windows
[17:21] <Guest6597> I want to dual boot
[17:22] <Guest6597> I guess all I needed to do was complain. The installer is now starting.
[17:23] <Guest6597> Can we put that in a log somewhere? Requirement: must come to IRC and complain before installer runs
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> webchat2: what i would do if this happens by default on your ubuntu install, is create a new bug for it, then start testing around after
[17:24] <Guest6597> Okay....so the installer is just hanging on "preparing ubuntu"
[17:24] <Guest6597> nothing is really happening
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> Guest6597: wich ubuntu release is that?
[17:24] <Guest6597> 23.04
[17:25] <Guest6597> https://pastebin.com/fwKdF2UA
[17:25] <Guest6597> lotuspsychje: here are some logs that look useufl
[17:25] <Guest6597> useful even
[17:26] <Guest6597> I thought ubuntu was ditching snap?
[17:26] <Guest6597> Should I just use 22.04?
[17:27] <Guest6597> I'm going to try 22.04
[17:27] <Guest6597> brb
[17:27] <Guest74> Hey, is that Guest 30234 here?
[17:27] <Guest74> We found the answer to your question
[17:28] <Guest74> He was here like 8 hours ago asking about WIFI adapter working during installation but not after
[17:28] <Guest74> We found a fix/explalation, just respond if ur here
[17:29] <oerheks> wrong channel?
[17:29] <faLUKE> Hello. I have this weird but interesting issue on a Neon (KDE) developer distro (https://neon.kde.org/download but possibly on other distros too). After installing one of the following deb packages: { at-spi2-core accerciser gobject-introspection libqt5waylandclient5-dev libkpipewire-dev qtbase5-private-dev libwayland-dev plasma-wayland-protocols libpipewire-0.3-dev } grub is updated, and the next boot hangs. How can I fix this?
[17:29] <Guest74> No he was here
[17:29] <Guest74> we tried finding an answer to his wifi for like 2 hours and finially found an answer right as he logged off
[17:30] <Guest74> just seeing if he's here again
[17:30] <oerheks> just wait for when he comes back
[17:31] <webchat2> lotuspsychje: I am trying the conf file the other user posted.
[17:31] <Guest74> Im using Ubuntu-Mate 22.04, and I want to set the Desktop Icons to FIXED GRID, currently, I can place them at any Y-axis position and thus I can have some icons close together, others farther apart, I want a fixed grid so all icons are evenly and exactly placed apart, how do I do this
[17:32] <webchat2> Rebooting.
[17:32] <Guest74> no they are persistant
[17:32] <oerheks> if you find no answer, there is #ubuntu-mate too
[17:32] <Guest74> When I right click desktop space I can enable "keep alligned" but that only affects X axis
[17:34] <webchat2> Ok, now to see if it conf file does anything.
[17:34] <webchat2> In the meanwhile, how can I update the bluetooth drivers?
[17:35] <oerheks> if BT works, why would you?
[17:36] <webchat2> Well, because sometimes blueman crashes randomly.
[17:36] <oerheks> just make that bt setting, to disable power saving mode with -1
[17:36] <webchat2> That's exactly what I was doing, just replacing the IDs.
[17:36] <webchat2> In other words, that setting never allows the mouse to sleep when Ubuntu is on?
[17:37] <oerheks> basicly yes
[17:37] <oerheks> you force that
[17:37] <webchat2> Certainly better than disconnecting all the time, that explains why I can't reconnect afterwards.
[17:54] <Guest74> I just learned GNOME thinks desktop icons are a bad idea... while I Love desktop icons. Will ubuntu-mate ever remove desktop icons? I want desktop icons and will swap OS's if desktop icons are removed.
[17:55] <ogra> Guest74, mate follows the GNOME 2 ideas ... where desktop icons were still loved by them
[17:56] <Guest74> good
[17:56] <Guest74> but will the upstream code, ever be forced upon us
[17:56] <Guest74> thus removing the icons
[17:56] <stool> Guest74, you can also install multiple desktop environnment, one with icons or without, then select it at login screen.
[17:56] <Guest74> Can I fully replace the DE?
[17:56] <ogra> yes, the receont gnome aready comes without any desktop icons
[17:57] <Guest74> yeah so will mate ever be forced into using no icons
[17:57] <ogra> which is why canonical created an extension that adds them back and is installed by default
[17:57] <oerheks> settings > appearance gives those icon options
[17:57] <stool> yes, you can try XFCE or gnome or lxde/qt...
[17:57] <Guest74> oh nice good
[17:57] <ogra> mate is using gnome 2 as i said above ... it wont change such stuff
[17:57] <Guest74> Alright deep breaths, calm
[17:57] <Guest74> thanks
[18:06] <Guest74> How can I change my Lock-Screen wallpaper?
[18:12] <oerheks> ubuntu tweaks give that option
[18:12] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-tweak
[18:12] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-tweaks
[18:12] <oerheks> sure it is
[18:13] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweaks
[18:14] <twovi> !info gnome-tweaks
[18:14] <twovi> lolk
[18:17] <oerheks> Kubuntu does not have a tweaks package, that is why i like it so much.
[18:17] <LuizPontes> Hi all.. First time here, guys i'm running Ubuntu 23.04 and the Gnome Desktop Enviroument has a Bug on the Right side on the Screen. Did someone already fix it?
[18:18] <oerheks> hi LuizPontes, do you have a bugreport to show?
[18:18] <ravage> or at least a screenshot
[18:19] <LuizPontes> @oerheks, @ravage , let me try to capture it.
[18:21] <LuizPontes> Some Area in Top right corner of the screen is not clickable.
[18:23] <oerheks> settings > multitasking gives those options
[18:23] <oerheks> hot corner, active screen edge
[20:31] <Guest21> Hi guys
[20:36] <oerheks> :-)
[22:07] <BigBytez10> Does anybody here Use STEAM on Ubuntu based OS? Specifcally with Proton Compatability mode?
[22:14] <oerheks> 'ubuntu based OS' worries me
[22:14] <oerheks> we do not support forks
[22:21] <bray90820> Is there any way to update Nautilus beyond what is provided with ubuntu I'm running 23.04
[22:22] <oerheks> build from source if there is any update
[22:23] <bray90820> Is thee a PPA for it?
[22:23] <oerheks> maybe, trust that owner..
[22:23] <oerheks> https://github.com/GNOME/nautilus
[22:23] <oerheks> 3.16 is next?
[22:24] <bray90820> The reason i need to update is because I'm having a strange bug where the screen doesn't update correctly after I delete and or movie files
[22:24] <oerheks> no 44 https://download.gnome.org/sources/nautilus/44/
[22:25] <oerheks> oh, file a bug? or find simular and add yourself?
[22:25] <bray90820> It shows the wrong files until I refresh the screen
[22:25] <oerheks> oh that is a bug?
[22:25] <bray90820> Is it?
[22:26] <oerheks> just hit f5
[22:27] <bray90820> Yeah but that shouldn't happen should it?
[22:29] <oerheks> I think not, by design
[22:29] <oerheks> on external driver*
[22:30] <sarnold> it probably depends upon filesystem type
[22:31] <sarnold> I bet some filesystems can't do inotify watches
[22:49] <sotaover2ide> whats the ubuntu equivalent for mac mission control, where you can have multiple workspaces etc?
[22:50] <sotaover2ide> and how can we change / modify bits of ubuntu workspaces. What code should i be looking at?
[22:50] <oerheks> one can set workspaces in systemsettings > multitasking
[22:51] <oerheks> activities?
[22:54] <sotaoverride> oerheks: do you know where the source code for ubuntu virtual desktop/workspaces is it? where can i make changes to plugins like that?
[22:57] <rbox> thats not a plugin
[22:57] <rbox> tahts jsut part of gnome
[22:58] <sarnold> gnome lets you write javascript that they'll execute within the main shell, you can find extensions on https://extensions.gnome.org/
[22:58] <oerheks> +1
[22:58] <oerheks> why change the code as you can set many workspaces?
[22:58] <sarnold> but because it's javascript and because it's just random jerks on the internet sharing their work, your milage may vary :) I suggest reading them before installing them
[22:58] <sarnold> they might be malicious, or they might be written for a different version than you've got
[23:03] <emanuelep> Ciao a tutti, hi all!!
[23:03] <sarnold> hello :)
[23:03] <emanuelep> hello sarnold! I have to make lfs tonight <3
[23:04] <sarnold> uhoh, you're running out of "tonight" in which to make it :)
[23:04] <emanuelep> but I have read of ubuntu support channel! nice to meet you!
[23:04] <oerheks> :-)
[23:05] <emanuelep> yesterday i have try to rebuild kernel of 20.04 with my vcenter ~20min from 5.4 to 6
[23:05] <emanuelep> need to hardenize a university webserver
[23:06] <emanuelep> but i have encountered too many difficulties with .config file
[23:06] <emanuelep> an university**
[23:07] <emanuelep> Has anyone recently recompiled kernel 5.4 to 6 for ubuntu 20.04lts?
[23:07] <oerheks> not supported, one can try mainline kernels, but just for testing, as in you must have a reason to do so
[23:07] <oerheks> !mainline
[23:07] <oerheks> else 23.04 gives 6.x
[23:08] <sarnold> emanuelep: it's pretty rare to compile your own kernel these days
[23:08] <emanuelep> oh thanks @ubottu, because i needed to recompile the security part to avoid key cache and enable TOMOYO sec
[23:09] <sarnold> emanuelep: if you want to, 'make localmodconfig' might help a bit, but it's still not great fun
[23:09] <emanuelep> yes sarnold but we make cybersec for professional porpouse
[23:09] <sarnold> tomoyo, fun fun
[23:09] <emanuelep> yess i have try with localmodconfig
[23:10] <emanuelep> also sudo find /boot/ \( -iname "*config*" -a -iname "*`uname -r`*" \) -exec cp -i -t ./ {} \;
[23:11] <emanuelep> $ scripts/config --disable SYSTEM_REVOCATION_KEYS
[23:11] <emanuelep> $ scripts/config --disable SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS
[23:11] <emanuelep> but no chance
[23:11] <emanuelep> with kernel.org source
[23:12] <emanuelep> next time i have try with "apt install linux-source-5.4" same version running
[23:12] <oerheks> unsupported.
[23:12] <emanuelep> LANG=C make -j128 && make -j128 modules_install
[23:12] <sarnold> wow, I've never seen ./scripts/config used that way before
[23:13] <emanuelep> but when start modules_install anyway go wrong
[23:13] <sarnold> pastebin the errors?
[23:13] <emanuelep> yes sarnold
[23:13] <emanuelep> wrong sorry
[23:13] <oerheks> you will find 6.3 stable and 6.4 testing https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[23:14] <oerheks> still, use at your oen risk
[23:14] <emanuelep> i need to make a manual rebuil :-( for install any version i'm using mainline
[23:14] <sotaoverride> rbox: I was trying to mess with the gnome to do things like when im trying move between workspaces all the available workspaces show up in dial or other animations for being able to move between workspaces
[23:15] <emanuelep> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cappelikan/ppa -y
[23:15] <emanuelep> apt update && apt upgrade
[23:15] <emanuelep> sudo apt install mainline -y
[23:15] <oerheks> that ppa is not in our wiki
[23:15] <oerheks> goodluck
[23:15] <rbox> sotaoverride: okay...?
[23:16] <emanuelep> oerheks: is untrust?
[23:17] <oerheks> we simply don't support the outcome.
[23:17] <sotaoverride> so yeah you htink I should be looking to do something like that in gnome dorectly :P I just havent done anything gnome before to trying to make sure where to look at rbox:
[23:17] <oerheks> for any ppa or repo; trust the owner
[23:17] <rbox> sotaoverride: you shoudnt be trying to modify gnome... no
[23:17] <emanuelep> ah ok
[23:17] <emanuelep> but i think that mainline is available also with nova repo
[23:18] <oerheks> not sure you refer to with  key cache and enable TOMOYO sec
[23:19] <emanuelep> mmh.. TOMOYO and appArmor are necessary for the WAF..
[23:20] <mkay> hello, can ya help me out please id like to know where repo gpg keys can be found(the app/git in question;eg wine website/git/orwhat ever its called?)
[23:20] <mkay> this is my problem
[23:20] <sarnold> my ancient focal system has TOMOYO enabled...
[23:20] <mkay> https://pastebin.com/gDJjqPjh
[23:20] <sarnold> /boot/config-5.4.0-150-generic:CONFIG_SECURITY_TOMOYO=y
[23:20] <mkay> what up sarnold
[23:20] <emanuelep> just this?
[23:20] <mkay> i also rock a relic
[23:20] <sarnold> mkay: the best approach is to read the winehq documentation, they should tell you how to get the right key installed
[23:21] <mkay> cool man ty
[23:21] <mkay> how you been anyways
[23:21] <mkay> dif nick same dude
[23:21] <oerheks> bad repo key, as that key is in https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/lunar/
[23:21] <oerheks> good lucj
[23:21] <oerheks> luck*
[23:22] <mkay> ty oerheks
[23:22] <nameful> hi all.tried upgrading from 18 to 20.. at last part or completion of the upgrade a message : The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a). appeared is it still rectifiable ?
[23:22] <oerheks> maybe report it in #winehq
[23:22] <emanuelep> nameful, make a snapshot!!
[23:22] <sarnold> mkay: if you just want to trust whatever key you were told you don't have, try this: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 76F1A20FF987672F ; gpg --armor --export 76F1A20FF987672F > winehq.asc  ; sudo mv winehq.asc /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
[23:22] <sotaoverride> how do I change fan config in ubuntu, the fans never seem to go off for me
[23:23] <oerheks> i would not touch fancontrol
[23:23] <nameful> emanuelep, hmm in timeshift ?
[23:23] <emanuelep> :'-)
[23:23] <emanuelep> ('=
[23:23] <oerheks> let the bios take care of that
[23:24] <mkay> sarnold, thanks for being honest
[23:24] <mkay> forthcoming
[23:25] <mkay> thanks all
[23:25] <oerheks> maybe laptop-mode-tools can do some tweaking, use at your own risk!
[23:25] <oerheks> !info laptop-mode-tools