=== JanC_ is now known as JanC === moonmoon- is now known as moonmoon === chris14_ is now known as chris14 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === shokohsc2 is now known as shokohsc === JanC_ is now known as JanC === hackinghorn_ is now known as hackinghorn === Bahhumbug_ is now known as Bahhumbug [03:36] Hi guys, I'm considering between Ubuntu and Lubuntu, want maximum light-weightness. Does anybody here know modern measurements on the resources usage between stock Ubuntu and Lubuntu? And, Does Ubuntu have any advantage over Lubuntu , such as better security, or similar that would be a good reason to use it? [03:36] > unrelated: is there a way to get an official non-snap package for chromium? [03:36] ? There is non-snap one, but not an official [03:37] Guest37: lubuntu = lxde + ubuntu [03:37] Guest37: ubuntu is ubuntu... its just what packages you have installed [03:37] The memory usage lower than ubuntu gnome [03:38] So basically theres no advantage to Ubuntu vs Lubuntu [03:38] Lubuntu is simply lighter [03:38] right [03:38] Yes, you are smart, Guest37 [03:39] is Lubuntu the best Light buntu distro? Xubuntu tends to be rougher [03:40] Xubuntu doesnt automatically unzip zip files with GUI, etc [03:40] So Lubuntu is the best OS of all time, ok [03:40] lubuntu is just uinsg lxqt instead of gnome [03:41] you can install wahtever gui programs you want in xubuntu to unzip whatver zip files yo uwant [03:41] good, good [03:41] true [03:41] lubuntu does it out of the box [03:43] How much lighter is Lubuntu than Ubuntu? [03:44] about 10 feathers lighter [03:45] guy-z [03:45] I need real answers here [03:46] Is the only different mainly between Ubuntu and Lubuntu DE? [03:46] that is the differnece [03:46] So basically, is there any reason to use Ubuntu over Lubuntu [03:46] gnome vs lxqt [03:46] if you want gnome instead of lxqt [03:48] I dont want gnome but I like the official Ubuntu OS *tm* [03:48] Gnome is one of the most slow and bloated DEs around Oh my good-golly [03:48] huh? [03:48] From what Ive seen [03:49] Gnome is one of the most bloated DEs [03:49] so dont use it [03:49] problem solved [03:49] LXDE, LXQT one of the lightest [03:49] so use one of those [03:49] Why does Ubuntu, probably a top 3 linux desktop OS, use such a bloated DE? [03:49] because theres ntohign wrong with gnome [03:49] lol [03:49] some people like one type of desktop or the other and the same for it's program's some need the features of one or the other and some hardware will be a bit better on a lighter version [03:50] Its bloated tho [03:50] in your opinino [03:50] How does Budgie compare to LXQT [03:50] lol [03:50] just beacuse you have a garbage computer [03:50] doesnt mean everyone does [03:50] Statistically, Gnome used much more ram than other DEs [03:50] Its not about my specs! [03:50] Gnome used more ram than other DEs according to two articles Ive read [03:50] Guest37: Bloated as compred to ??? [03:50] then you woudjn't be going ON AND ON AND ON about ZOMG I NEED THE LIGHTEST [03:50] OMG... MORE RAM!? [03:50] THE HORROR [03:50] I simply prefer efficiency [03:51] so then use wahtever you want [03:51] Why use a DE that needs 1 gig ram, when LXQT can do the same task with 250 mb ram [03:51] not every one does [03:51] * rbox ignores the morons [03:51] I jsut dont see the reason to use a blaoted DE [03:51] they accomplish the same goals [03:51] why use a slower one [03:54] On some hardware the "bloat" causes no noticable slow down, and provides features that some users want. [03:55] ^ [03:56] I choose to use Gnome Unity and puppy linux it depands on the machine and what I need to do and how I like to do it [03:58] On this one article Lubuntu used half the passive ram as Ubuntu [03:58] not good to condem someone's choises and opinions [03:58] seems Lubuntu is the lightest [03:59] use it if it is good for you [04:00] i mean, what features does budgie or mate or gnome have [04:00] that lxde or xfce doesnt, for example [04:00] Nautilus is one but you can add change or replace any [04:01] Guest37: for example, last time I checked, lubuntu didn't have logout inhibitors. If you tried to exit while having unsaved work, you'd lose it without a prompt [04:02] Note though that while lubuntu is lighter (and about the same as xfce, mate and kde; it's only gnome that uses a lot more ram), after you launch a few applications, the difference will be smaller [04:02] This is because the other DEs have already loaded some of the related libraries in the initial boot [04:02] Moreover it's not a competition, and since this is a *support channel*, in other words a channel to ask for help, this discussion is ENTIRELY off-topic. [04:03] I didnt consider the related libraries... I was just trying to measure the DEs performance itself, during load or not [04:03] Hmmm [04:03] !ot [04:03] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [04:03] Now I'm thinking between Ubuntu-Mate and Lubuntu [04:04] Guest22: Download the .iso images and find out the best solution for yourself. Opinions are all you're going to get by polling random people, which is not allowed in a HELP/SUPPORT channel. [04:05] * alkisg would consider "RAM usage" a technical support question; while "which one has the best wallpaper" a non-technical one... [04:06] alkisg: It's still subjective because it's allocated based on ram available and what is cached. [04:06] Yes, but there are points to be learned that cannot be learned by testing an .iso [04:07] They need to test on their system. That is all. [04:07] They wouldn't know about logout inhibitors by just testing [04:07] Or about shared libraries [04:08] That's true, but the discussion was going elsewhere and started attracting unwanted opinions (i.e. bloat, etc.). Therefore, it needed to be shut-down or moved to #ubuntu-offtopic. [04:10] OK === carlos is now known as Guest635 [04:25] What is the name of the package mmanager in ubuntu? [04:26] dpkg [04:31] My terminal doesn't typing. [04:47] Have any of you used the unifying receiver for logitech? [04:48] Have any of you used solaar? [04:53] Hello Rooker [04:53] Hiya [05:01] "Have any of you used the..." <- Yes [05:02] "Have any of you used solaar?" <- Yes [05:07] fenris[m], can you help me with the zypper command to get aolaar ? [05:08] fenris[m], can you help me with the zypper command to get solaar ? [05:10] Netzahualcoyotl: "zypper" is a package manager of a different distribution than ubuntu - it's most likely not what you want to use to install some software. https://pwr-solaar.github.io/Solaar/ links to two PPAs which you could use with Ubuntu. [05:11] Netzahualcoyotl: which ubuntu version do you have there? [05:13] solaar and a gnome gui are available in current ubuntu releases (from the "universe" apt repository): https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=solaar [05:15] Is there a terminal command to get my version number? [05:16] lsb_release -ds [05:25] I have Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS [05:30] Netzahualcoyotl: sudo apt update && sudo apt install solaar && solaar & [05:34] Thank you, all! === tomreyn changed the topic of #ubuntu to: Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: https://ubottu.com/y/gl | #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 20.04, 22.04, 22.10, 23.04 | Unofficial derivatives: Use your distro's support channel, not here | IRC info: https://ubottu.com/y/irc | Pastes to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ | Download: https://ubottu.com/y/dl [05:35] - "18.04, " [05:39] !esm [05:39] Canonical offers paid extended security support for end-of-life LTS releases through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly. [05:42] Bashing-om: ? [05:43] "Netzahualcoyotl: sudo apt update..." <- I used solar & piper [06:08] My comp has two graphics adapters: one Intel and one Nvidia. How can I tell which one is currently being used? I see instructions online to use "lshw -c video", but that shows both with nothing to indicate which is being used. [06:13] dabbler: you're using the one that is connected to the screen. you forgot to tell the screen is built in, and it's a laptop maybe? [06:15] tarzeau: haha they're both connected to the screen. Yes, it's a laptop [06:16] I think it's using the Intel, but I'd like to confirm [06:17] dabbler: i'm usually not dealing with mobile linux devices. but does /var/log/X*.0 say something about it? [06:17] dabbler: what does lspci |grep VGA say? which intel/nvidia hw exactly? [06:18] dabbler: what shows ' prime-select query ' ? [06:24] tarzeau: ahh I should've thought of that. X log says glamor X acceleration enabled on Mesa Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2)" [06:26] Bashing-om: I get "on-demand" [06:29] That's the right Intel model. (The HD Graphics 4000 part, anyway. Not sure about the part after it.) The Nvidia is a GeForce GT 650M. [06:50] hi all i have a problem with my wineinstall-can [06:50] sorry will continue... [06:51] installation and has to do with the key and the repo not being able to be used as its depreciated(not safe). Im running luna lobster [06:52] how could i go about fixing this [06:52] "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv F987672F"? [06:52] 23.04 [06:58] mkay: please use a pastebin to show the commands you run and the output they produce [06:58] also, if oyu are following some guide, tell us which [06:59] there is no "wineinstall-can" or "wineinstall" package in ubuntu, apparently you are trying to install from some PPA? which, how? === sunny937 is now known as sunny93 [07:03] will do, shall post soon [07:26] Now I'm trying to verify that the hardware acceleration of my Intel GPU is generally working. I'm looking at intel_gpu_top while glxgears runs. It shows fluctuating IMC read and write rates, but the Render/3D, Blitter, and Video engines are all stuck at 0.00% usage. [07:28] The GPU is Intel HD Graphics 4000, built into Ivybridge. Ubuntu is using a built-in driver as I understand it [07:28] glxinfo | grep renderer [07:30] if it says something not GPU specific like vmware or llvmpipe, that's software rendering [07:30] otherwise it should show the specific integrated GPU as the renderer if it's really being used [07:31] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/W3q2ibdy [07:32] NVE7 [07:32] nvidia? [07:32] do you have another GPU installed? [07:32] Hey guys *waves emo hair to the side* [07:32] I'm trying to figure out how to set fixed desktop icon placements, currently I can place the icons and they will stay in any place, and it activates my OCD because I want a neat GRID of icons, evenly spaced apart. [07:33] PurpleSourDiesel: not sure I understand the issue [07:34] The icons, on my desktop, can be anywhere on the X axis [07:34] That means two icons can be almost touching [07:34] I want a grid of evenly spaced apart icons [07:34] Like grid apper [07:34] paper [07:34] we have no idea what DE you're even using [07:35] any potential solution would be different for each one [07:36] Ubuntu Mate [07:36] 22.04 [07:37] preach: Yes, there's a GeForce 650M also inside the laptop, but I don't think it's being used. There's a line in X.log that says "glamor X acceleration enabled on Mesa Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2)" and another that says it's enabled on NVE7. I guess I'm back to being unsure which is actually being used [07:38] dabbler: the one in glxinfo is being used, so nvidia [07:38] you failed to mention this was a laptop [07:38] hybrid graphics works very differently [07:39] you would need to setup something like bumblebee or PRIME to be able to switch GPUs easily [07:40] I installed prime-select at the suggestion of someone earlier. prime-select query returns on-demand. They didn't reply, so I don't know what that indicates [07:42] I don't have any proprietary drivers installed at this point. It's just using the defaults [07:44] Ok, I used prime-select to set it to intel and it said "done", but intel-gpu-top still shows 0.00% for all engines [07:47] Good morning, does anyone know how to fix my sound issue on ubuntu 20.04? 5.1 speakers are not visible in the settings at all. [07:48] Outdated Os... [07:48] How are the speakers connected? [07:49] time to play 20 questions [07:49] Example answers: Aux Cable, USB, etc [07:51] 'settings' [07:51] dabbler: what does nvtop show? [07:52] preach: glxinfo still says renderer is NVE7 even as prime-select query says intel [07:53] prime-run glxinfo | grep renderer [07:55] I don't know what prime-select is. [07:55] preach: try in a terminal: V [07:55] whatis prime-select [07:55] prime-select: nothing appropriate. [07:56] tarzeau: nvtop says "No GPU to monitor" no matter what prime-select query is made to say [07:56] dabbler: lsmod |grep nvidia? lsmod |grep nouveau? [07:56] dabbler: dkms status ? [07:57] preach: I don't have a prime-run and it's not suggesting any packages to get one [07:59] lsmod output doesn't contain "nvidia" or "Nvidia" [07:59] dabbler: if so, then nvtop can't work [07:59] unless, well non-nvidia, supported gpu found [08:00] dabbler: do you have optirun ? [08:01] preach: not yet. Currently installing === shokohsc6 is now known as shokohsc [08:02] tarzeau: "lsmod | grep nouveau" outputs about 8 lines [08:03] Any particular attribute? [08:03] depending on the exact nvidia hardware, see lspci |grep VGA. i've found nouveau to be not fit in enterprise use (unless, well latest nvidia driver not supported, outdated hardware) [08:03] dabbler: if nouveau driver modules are loaded you're using that free driver [08:04] assuming you don't do CUDA stuff. we do, thus no exit of nvidia binary drivers (and needing parallel versions installed, we go with the only option, nvidia repository) [08:07] Ubuntu suggests nvidia-driver-390 as the tested one. It gives ...418-server as an alternative that isn't marked tested [08:08] dabbler: i'm so glad i can just use https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/config.sys/ubuntu-system-cuda non-interactively on a bunch of machines :) [08:08] dabbler: sometimes laptop ubuntu users drop in, with the exact same problem as you, and it's just in the fingerbrain, undumpable [08:09] I remember trying the suggested tested driver before and something didn't work. I can try it again and actually say what happens [08:11] What's the Ubuntu command-line tool for suggesting proprietary drivers again? [08:12] Just use the GUI like a noob [08:12] lol [08:13] PurpleSourDiesel: haha it won't install anything because it thinks there's no internet connection. It's due to me not having configured NetworkSomething yet [08:13] It's a WONTFIX [08:14] Damn thing won't just try a connection [08:14] What OS r u on [08:14] Are u conencted to wifi? [08:14] Kde installed on top of ubuntu-server [08:14] No, wired [08:16] So I think the issue is that my NetworkWhatever wasn't preconfigured by the desktop installer [08:16] Ok... well whas not workingt [08:16] whats not working [08:16] terminal? Wont connect to internet? [08:17] what specific program wont connect/access internet [08:18] Internet works fine. A couple kubuntu utilities (like the one for selecting drivers) just say that there's no connectivity because NetworkManager (?) isn't configured to control any interfaces. At least that's my understanding [08:19] It would succeed if it would just try, but nooo [08:20] why should it assume it would work anyway? [08:20] It doesn't need to assume. It just needs to try. [08:20] lol [08:20] that's not how things should work [08:22] Basically, it's one of the KDE utils that aren't coded to handle a situation in which NetworkManager is installed but isn't managing the interface through which the machine has connectivity [08:22] That's the wontfix [08:22] nice [08:22] this is my biggest issue with linux desktop [08:23] too fragmented [08:23] so everything is just mediocre [08:23] there's too many choices [08:23] it's not reasonable for one DE to cater to 6 different network daemons [08:23] I'm kind of amazed the smaller DE dists can keep going [08:25] PurpleSourDiesel: the speakers are connected with three mini-jacks to the motherboard [08:26] I have them for years, it always worked, until I upgraded [08:26] So, anyway, at the risk of overextending my "noob" self :P ... What's the command-line tool for suggesting proprietary drivers again? [08:26] Because that one will actually work [08:26] Im back [08:27] Had to surf to a new mainframe [08:27] dabbler: proprietary drivers for what? [08:27] Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on this computer using the CLI installer. During installation the installer is able to find my wireless NIC, but after booting into the new system, no wifi card is detected at all, and there aren't any wifi tools installed. Any help is appreciatted. [08:28] gordonjcp: Nvidia GPU [08:28] dabbler: oh, just install it [08:28] oh ok. Thought I'd have to enable it or something [08:28] Guest30234, are you using latest verion of ubuntu Server? [08:28] dabbler: something like "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-" and pick from the list [08:28] And what are you installing into? KVM VPS? Dedicated server? [08:28] PurpleHaze420: I'm using 22.04 LTS [08:29] dabbler: most recent is nvidia-driver-530 [08:29] gordonjcp: the GUI suggests 390 for mine, says that's tested [08:29] PurpleHaze420: more like a dedicated server. It's just a laptop I'll leave unattended controlling a few radios. [08:29] Because, most data centers use Ethernet connecetions not wifi [08:29] dabbler: that seems... old [08:29] dabbler: what card have you got? [08:29] how old is the laptop [08:30] Can U just connect the laptop to ethernet [08:30] gordonjcp: it's a 2012 MBP [08:30] well, that may be correct then [08:30] any idea what chip it has? [08:30] that is weird though, if it see's wifi during install it should see it after install too [08:30] I'd try an ethernet cable, better speed etc and easier to setup into laptop [08:30] dabbler: lspci | grep -i nvidia ought to show you something [08:30] PurpleHaze420: i'd say like 5 years or so. I can connect it to ethernet, but for the moment being, I'd like to have it working through wifi [08:31] yeah it should be working [08:31] if it saw the wifi during install [08:31] does ur laptop have a WIFI hardware or function switch [08:31] maybe WIFI is OFF at firmware level [08:31] gordonjcp: Internet connection isn't my issue, fortunately. Wired works. Just haven't installed driver for WiFi yet. Want to sort out video first [08:32] PurpleHaze420: well, it has, but only if ubuntu itself has switched it off. I do not touch this controls, and it gets detected during install, but not on soubsequent boots [08:32] PurpleHaze420: lol oops [08:33] yeah that is weird [08:33] PurpleHaze420: maybe I should try a HWE kernel? Is the install kernel any different from the one installed? [08:33] try activating WIFI via the function keys [08:33] dabbler: hah, two people having conversations at once :-) [08:33] It should be the same [08:33] dabbler: I guess 390 is about right for a ten year old machine [08:33] Is the Ubuntu .iso a net installer or full-installer [08:33] is it 22.04.2 LTS? [08:33] Or just 22.04? [08:34] PurpleHaze420: Its a full installer. It's 22.04.1 LTS. [08:34] hmmmm yeah [08:34] Get latest 22.04.2 [08:34] 22.04.2 is latest for Desktop Ubuntu [08:34] IDK if server latest is 22.04.1 [08:34] or 22.04.2 [08:34] but if theres 22.04.2, use that [08:34] PurpleHaze420: Maybe I'm talking nonsense, I downloaded latest Ubuntu yesterday [08:35] https://ubuntu.com/download/server [08:35] latest version is 22.04.2 [08:36] try latest version maybe ur glitch is fixed in latest version [08:37] just a starting point [08:37] as a secondary test, can u use a Linux live USB with WIFI working? [08:38] PurpleHaze420: I appreciated your help, I'm booting my current installer again to check if I have the latest version. I'm also reinstalling this, I messed up yesterday while trying to sort this out. [08:38] Get that 22.04.2 version [08:38] I reccomend using "Blania Etcher" to create the LIVE USB to install with [08:38] preach: before I install the Nvidia driver, did you still want me to do something with optirun? [08:39] PurpleHaze420: Previously this laptop was running fedora, it was the only distro that would have this wifi working after installation. I had tried other flavours of ubuntu and they wouldn't work. I was trying the 20.04 LTS desktop flavours however. [08:40] PurpleHaze420: It just booted up, I'm running 24.02.2 [08:41] https://etcher.balena.io/#download-etcher [08:41] 24.02.4 is old I think [08:41] PurpleHaze420: interesting, this time I asked to liveUSB to boot into the HWE kernel, and it doesn't detect the wifi [08:42] Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS [08:42] get latest software versions lol [08:42] PurpleHaze420: Sorry, my bad, I meant 22.04.2 [08:42] ok [08:42] Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS on ur desktop/home install or the server OS? [08:43] PurpleHaze420: server, since I meant to leave this as an unattended headless machine [08:43] ok so server is latest version hmmm [08:44] sounds like you may have an obscure WIFI driver [08:44] chipset [08:45] and maybe theres no support for it with some linux Kernels [08:45] U said Fedora worked, and Fedora uses a newer kernel I THINK [08:45] so maybe... you either wait a few years until ubuntu updates the kernel to a new LTS version [08:45] Or use Fedora and just run ur server software on that [08:45] PurpleHaze420: how come I be able too configure it and use it during the installation then? [08:46] Idk honestly [08:46] U did see WIFI during install, confirmed? [08:46] I've never experienced that though, Its either WIFI works, during installer and post-install, or it doesnt and I have to manually install a wifi driver, then it works [08:47] PurpleHaze420: Yes, confirmed, I have to select my SSID and input my password, it does even show the IP it got from the DHCP [08:47] wow [08:47] I've never experienced that glitch [08:48] https://itsfoss.com/fix-no-wireless-network-ubuntu/ [08:49] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233934/no-internet-connection-after-ubuntu-server-20-04-install-ifconfig-not-available [08:49] PurpleHaze420: the installation program has a "info" screen for the iface configuration, it shows the driver as being rtl8723bs [08:50] https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs [08:50] Says that wifi driver is built-into the kernel, which is why u see wifi networks during install... [08:50] https://github.com/anthonywong/rtl8723bs [08:50] Yeah its merged years ago... [08:51] Try the hardware WIFI switch [08:51] Maybe u just need to enable wifi via firmware hardware switch [08:51] maybe WIFI is disabled in BIOS/UEFI [08:51] Okay, I'm reinstalling this and will give this a try [08:51] are yo manually assigning ur IP or something [08:51] Or are u using standard DCHP [08:52] DHCP [08:52] PurpleHaze420: well it could be, but I just booted the installer and it can see the wifi card. If this wasn't enable it shouldn't see it right? No other actions on my side [08:52] do U see wifi networks too [08:52] PurpleHaze420: standard DHCP from the router [08:52] Does the wifi card have a status? enabled/disabled etc [08:52] PurpleHaze420: Yes, my own network and neighbours as well [08:53] ok [08:53] so wahts your next steps [08:53] Do yu connect to a network, then install normally [08:53] do U do anything unusual [08:54] are u experienced with installing Ubuntu server [08:54] do you know what ur doing basically [08:55] PurpleHaze420: I connect to my network, it detects a new installer version, ask me if I like to use it, and then proceed to installation, no fancy actions on my side [08:55] do U use the new or old installer [08:55] PurpleHaze420: Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with the command line, have been using linux since 1995, kernel version 2.0... already had to compile the kernel a few times myself to get things working before kernel modulesd were a thing [08:56] PurpleHaze420: I already tried both approaches [08:56] ok... [08:56] proceeede [08:57] https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=327578 [08:58] PurpleHaze420: but now that you insisted, the installer shows the card as disabled... I do not explicitly enable it, but it looks like the installer does so when I ask it to search for nearby SSIDs [08:58] insisted as what? [08:58] ok so [08:58] hello, how can I upgrade from 21.10 (EOL) to the current release? [08:59] Maybe u just need to enable the WIFI adapter [08:59] can U see the wifi adapter after install [08:59] PurpleHaze420: for me to check for any status it might have during installation [08:59] yeah ok [08:59] good [08:59] if its disabled... we can enable it =) [08:59] I tried apt update, but it says: "Err:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish Release 404 Not Found " [08:59] PurpleHaze420: You mean before I reboot? [08:59] Or after? [08:59] go ahead and reboot I dont think it matters [08:59] reboot, then we can try to enable wifi card [08:59] faLUKE maybe your too old a version to do an upgrade [09:00] PurpleHaze420: I need to finish installation first, it's going to take several minutes [09:00] this link says to edit apt/sources.list https://serverfault.com/questions/1106691/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-21-10-to-22-04-after-eol but I can't find lines to replace [09:00] Just a specualtion, sometimes if ur version is too old, with some software, u cant directly upgrade, but have to simple reformat and install newest version [09:00] Ok sounds good 30234 [09:00] Isnt it very simple like sudo apt full-upgrade? [09:01] updates the kernel at least.. i think [09:02] https://dandraka.com/2020/05/31/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-from-an-unsupported-version/ [09:02] PurpleHaze420: I can't re-install [09:02] Honestly, I'd just reformat and re-install with newest iso [09:03] Upgrading from really old versions is harder the older it is, I'd think [09:03] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/cant-update-old-ubuntu-version/17703/2 [09:04] Read the 2nd reply [09:04] rs2009 [09:05] nvm rs2009 answer looks wrong [09:05] partially [09:06] Well.. why can't you just fresh install newest version? [09:06] You can probably backup and copy-over your bookmarks, most files like documents and PDFs etc === jelly-home is now known as jelly [09:08] PurpleHaze420: I see [09:09] Upgrades are always complicated IME, I always just fresh install latest kernel anytime a new LTS comes around [09:10] faLUke so have u tried the official method [09:10] https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#1-before-you-start [09:11] PurpleHaze420: same [09:11] new LTS? [09:11] just buy a new SSD, and do a clean install [09:11] U can keep ur old Disk lol [09:11] yeah but why would you? [09:11] But yeah, clean fresh install is always most likely to work [09:12] because u can just format it and re-install latest OS [09:12] if you replace it, you have all your old data [09:12] oh well yeah [09:12] and your new disk will be bigger and faster [09:12] I don't really have any data to backup, intentionally [09:12] I have *shitloads* [09:12] just a few songs bookmarked [09:12] lol [09:12] yeah I used to as-well [09:12] I completely fill a couple of TB every few months [09:12] but I reformat and change OSs so much I dont bother storing anything [09:12]