[14:59] <mapreri> ddstreet, teward: am I right we have a meeting?
[15:02] <ddstreet> yep
[15:02] <ddstreet> o/
[15:02] <mapreri> hello
[15:02] <ddstreet> we have teward?
[15:02] <mapreri> let me start by saying sorry for ghosting the last time! :(
[15:02] <ddstreet> lol no problem
[15:03] <ddstreet> no teward today looks like
[15:03] <mapreri> maybe he will catch up later "as usual"? :)
[15:03] <ddstreet> yep
[15:03] <ddstreet> ok let's start thing then
[15:05] <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters Team
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[15:05] <ddstreet> so mapreri I haven't got to any of my action items...i suggest we skip me listing them all if that's ok with you?
[15:06] <mapreri> let me read them through in the agenda
[15:06] <ddstreet> yep and for reference if anyone is following
[15:06] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Agenda
[15:07] <mapreri> right so, I haven't also done my actions either
[15:07] <ddstreet> let's just leave the list as is then and move to ML threads and bugs
[15:07] <mapreri> ack
[15:07] <ddstreet> #action open ml threads
[15:07] <meetingology> ACTION: open ml threads
[15:08] <ddstreet> #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[15:08] <ddstreet> no action on this one...i'll send a follow up to try to continue it
[15:08] <mapreri> k
[15:08] <ddstreet> ah dang i used #action instead of #topic above...i need more coffee
[15:08] <ddstreet> anyway
[15:08] <mapreri> you can #undo twice if you so like ^^
[15:09] <ddstreet> #undo
[15:09] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC
[15:09] <ddstreet> #undo
[15:09] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[15:09] <ddstreet> ah nice!
[15:09] <ddstreet> didn't know it stacked
[15:09] <ddstreet> thanks!
[15:09] <mapreri> ^^
[15:09] <ddstreet> #topic open ml threads
[15:09] <ddstreet> #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[15:09] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet send follow up email for clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[15:09] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet send follow up email for clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[15:10] <ddstreet> #subtopic New proposal for Ubuntu Backporters Team Charter
[15:10] <ddstreet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-May/023070.html
[15:10] <ddstreet> well looks like we took too long, and the approved it, so nothing for us to do there i suppose...
[15:10] <ddstreet> we could follow up with 'thanks!' i guess
[15:11] <mapreri> not quite
[15:11] <mapreri> they said they will approve it next week, so if we have something big to oppose... but do we, in the end?
[15:12] <ddstreet> i guess it looks fine to me
[15:12] <ddstreet> you have any objections?
[15:12] <mapreri> I don't, either.  I'm for giving them the go ahead
[15:12] <ddstreet> sounds good - you want to reply or should i?
[15:12] <mapreri> I will :)
[15:12] <ddstreet> thanks!
[15:13] <ddstreet> #action mapreri reply to TB charter email thread
[15:13] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri reply to TB charter email thread
[15:13] <ddstreet> #subtopic self-approval of uploads to -backports pocket
[15:13] <ddstreet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-May/023075.html
[15:13] <ddstreet> i think teward is handling this one
[15:13] <mapreri> yes
[15:14] <ddstreet> that's all the ml threads i see
[15:14] <ddstreet> #topic open bugs
[15:14] <ddstreet> #subtopic nfs-utils/1:2.6.1-2ubuntu4 from kinetic
[15:14] <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/2012676
[15:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2012676 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu Focal) "[BPO] nfs-utils/1:2.6.1-2ubuntu4 from kinetic" [Undecided, New]
[15:14] <mapreri> so, I had an action about following up, but I clearly failed and I actually forgot what we decided on 2 months ago? :(
[15:15] <mapreri> I fixed the bug matadata, however.  meta is important.
[15:15] <ddstreet> lemme check the old mtg minutes...
[15:15]  * mapreri too
[15:15] <teward> i'm late sorry
[15:16] <teward> ddstreet: i need to address this sooner than later.  did you get any reply to the last inquiry?
[15:16] <teward> on the self approval of uploads thing
[15:16] <ddstreet> nope i did not get any reply
[15:16] <ddstreet> well lemme just recheck my inbox to be sure
[15:16] <mapreri> ddstreet: seems: 1) asking who would provide the update 2) involve the server team 3) having the mentioned bug handled via SRU
[15:17] <ddstreet> nope definitely no reply in my inbix
[15:17] <teward> mapreri: assuming theres no reply are you OK with me going to the TB and asking the TB to reach out and remind martin about the new process and that it needs to be adhered to?
[15:17] <mapreri> I'd add 4) have a better test defined
[15:17] <teward> ah there is no relly som
[15:17] <teward> reply*   so*   ffs i cant type
[15:18] <mapreri> teward: I'm fine, as long as you frame it like "asking the TB to reach out to Martin and check with him whether he received our mails about the new process, and to please contact us about his bpo uploads"
[15:19] <mapreri> teward: i.e., lose the final "it needs to be adhered to", for a first TB contact they shouldn't be saying that so straightforwardly
[15:19] <mapreri> :3
[15:19] <ddstreet> mapreri re: nfs-utils, sounds good, and you already have an action item for it
[15:19]  * mapreri can be a PITA, I have been bit by too strong wording way too many times
[15:20] <teward> mapreri: how i word things for email / official requests is less heavy handed than my statements here in cha lt :)
[15:20] <ddstreet> teward we skipped over previous action items earlier, were there any of yours (other than the TB/self-approval one) you made progress on and wanted to review?
[15:21] <teward> no its been a chaotic month
[15:21] <ddstreet> yeah for me as well
[15:21] <ddstreet> ok that's all the bugs i see the team subscribed to
[15:21] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[15:21] <ddstreet> any other business to discuss?
[15:22] <mapreri> another nfs thing:
[15:22] <mapreri> shouldn't it come from jammy, not from kinetic?
[15:22] <mapreri> doing kinetic -> focal will break update paths
[15:22]  * mapreri goes to re-read the policy he himself wrote u.u
[15:23] <ddstreet> i think we do allow non-LTS backport to LTS, but if they are doing kinetic->focal it must also go into jammy
[15:23] <mapreri> right
[15:23] <mapreri> I'll mention that too
[15:23] <teward> ddstreet: we do allow origin:nonLTS
[15:23] <teward> but destination:nonLTS is a no-no.  and yes we need to also get the backport into jammy in that case
[15:24] <mapreri> but we did write " For backported packages, the policy is that users must be able to upgrade from LTS to LTS", so in case of origin:kinetic it *also* needs an extra dest:jammy
[15:24] <teward> yep
[15:24] <mapreri> or just start from jammy, the kinetic update doesn't look interesting to me
[15:25] <teward> mapreri: could ask for clarification as to why source:kinetic is required and whether source:jammy works
[15:25] <mapreri> aye, doing
[15:25] <ddstreet> and also the backport to bionic has a really short window before the bionic repo closes, i think it's end of june right?
[15:26] <ddstreet> or maybe july
[15:26] <ddstreet> ok moving on, any other business? if not, let's sched the next meeting
[15:26] <mapreri> yeah well... they won't make it, but whatever at this point...
[15:26] <mapreri> no aob from me :)
[15:27] <ddstreet> 4 weeks would put us at july 5
[15:27] <teward> no other business here
[15:27] <ddstreet> that's very close to USA holiday (july 4), should we bump it to following week (july 12)?
[15:28] <mapreri> jul 5 is good to me, but indeed 12 would work slightly better as well
[15:28] <teward> either works for me
[15:28] <ddstreet> jul 12 would be better for me too
[15:28] <ddstreet> ok let's do jul 12, at same time
[15:28] <teward> 12th it is then
[15:28] <mapreri> yay
[15:29] <ddstreet> final business from me is to say i'm going to try to get *some* of my action items done before next meeting :)
[15:29] <ddstreet> let's all try to get to at least one ;-)
[15:29] <ddstreet> ok any final item before we wrap?
[15:30] <mapreri> I'm doing the mails right at this moment
[15:30] <ddstreet> awesome!!!
[15:30] <ddstreet> thanks
[15:30] <mapreri> that should make sure to have them done :3
[15:30] <ddstreet> see you covered your action already! xD
[15:30] <ddstreet> ok let's wrap then
[15:30] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:30:55 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-06-07-15.05.moin.txt
[15:31] <ddstreet> thanks mapreri teward o/
[15:31] <mapreri> o/
[15:33] <teward> o/