[01:20] <al1r4d> I'm happy with ubuntu :)
[02:13] <solsticebyte> hi everyone
[02:35] <seer__> Ifeel like an idiot. I bought an ebook and it is on this ubuntu computer, 1.4 G and too big for email. How do I put it on Google Drive or iCloud?  It only lets me open it in a reading program. It is .mobi if that matters and I dont think it does.
[02:36] <seer__> 22.04
[02:37] <sarnold> you can load https://drive.google.com/ in your favourite web browser and hit the '+ New' button to upload through the browser
[02:38] <sarnold> rclone can do some cloud storage things, the apt-cache show rclone  description mentions google drive specifically; I've never tried that, but I hear generally good things about it
[02:39] <seer__> Oh I figured it. right. I did it easily. I was bummed and had 2 shots of tequila and a bunch of garlic shrimp. (easy to make and I had to eat a lot because it all got frozen in a lump.)  Thanks.
[02:39] <seer__> sarnold thanks
[02:39] <sarnold> lol :D
[02:40] <seer__> a book on thai massage. if you were here you could be my victim.
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:23] <Square> What's up with fonts in Linux. Windows grouped all versions of font whereas linux throws a humongous list at you. Oh, it also display fonts of other languages than I'm using.
[04:23] <Square> s/languages/alphabets/
[05:22] <wontfix[m]> Can someone check this? This is the 4-5th series of packages I've tested where this applies but not all or even most packages in a series.
[05:23] <wontfix[m]> Do NOT actually uninstall these but does sudo apt purge apport* show different results for you than sudo apt purge apport{,-}*
[05:24] <wontfix[m]> Am I crazy or shouldn't they have the same results?
[05:36] <tomreyn> wontfix[m]: i (don't have an ubuntu system here right now but) could look into it if it will actually solve a problem for you, is not just a purely theoretical discussion, tell us which shell you are using, share (on a pastebin) the output of these commands on your system, and tell us which ubuntu version you're using.
[05:37] <Square> What the flaming &#@?! Why does it have to take one minute!! To change filter on fonts in Gimp.
[05:37] <Square> No one wants fonts in 150 languages to displayed at once.
[05:38] <tomreyn> Square: are you asking how to file a bug report against gimp?
[05:39] <wontfix[m]> I mean it isn't theoretical in that other packaged debs show the same behavior which I would like to automate the installation of across many VMs.
[05:40] <wontfix[m]> The VM in question happens to be 22.04 but I believe I originally noticed on Lunar
[05:41] <wontfix[m]> Nothing has been installed as only shared virtual storage is initially connected outside of inter workspace connections. Bash.
[05:43] <wontfix[m]> The result is easy, apport* shows only apport* and apport-gtk* but apport{,-}* has the two prior packages and apport-symptoms . This behavior also happens with private packages though. I just cannot figure out a rhyme or reason as to why it happens with some package groupings and not others.
[05:47] <tomreyn> if you want to have only apt act on these patterns/globs/wildcards, you can enclose them in single quotes
[05:47] <tomreyn> otherwise your shell and its expansion, including presence of file names in the current dworking directory, will influence what is passed to apt
[05:49] <tomreyn> other than that you may want to re-read the last two paragraphs of the "install" command description (which "purge" and "remove" descriptions also reference) https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/apt-get.8.html
[05:49] <tomreyn> carefully :)
[05:51] <tomreyn> but i suspect the main issue that's puzzling you is the shell globbing and presence of files in the working directory.
[05:54] <wontfix[m]> Huh. Ok so the behavior only exists on first boot. compared a fresh VM to a restarted VM.
[05:54] <wontfix[m]> Directory doesn't seem to matter.
[05:56] <tomreyn> maybe the environment ("env") changes between the two boots, and thus how globbing works
[05:57] <wontfix[m]> Guess I fixed the issue, just have to do a fake restart. Super random.
[05:57] <tomreyn> have you tried single quoting?
[06:00] <wontfix[m]> Still does it
[06:00] <wontfix[m]> (With single quotes, not after a restart)
[06:01] <alprolife> hi, i deleted the error_log and re-create it but now don't update the errors, what can I do ?
[06:03] <tomreyn> wontfix[m]: hmm, i wouldn't expect apt to know how to interpret the '{,-}' characters in 'apport{,-}*' other than verbatim, other than maybe when it falls back to regex matching.
[06:04] <wontfix[m]> That was just the initial fix. It wasn't behaving correctly on just *
[06:06] <tomreyn> alprolife: the minimum information you should probably provide with your support question is which ubuntu version you're referring to and which ubuntu provided software.
[06:08] <alprolife> tomreyn: it's about ubuntu 22.04 and apache2 as webserver
[06:09] <tomreyn> alprolife: stop the service, delete the error_log file (which you probably re-created with incorrect permissions), start the service. apache2 should create the log file with proper permissions on first write tot he log file.
[06:10] <tomreyn> (or possibly while it starts up)
[06:11] <alprolife> tomreyn: I do it right now, and no log :(
[06:12] <tomreyn> alprolife: then i'd assume nothing is being logged there, or the webserver is unable to write to the directory the file would be created in.
[06:13] <tomreyn> journalctl -f   may hint on what's failing if it's the latter.
[06:16] <alprolife> tomreyn: the server has errors because I get error 500 and before I delete the error_log it registers now it doesn't register anymore
[07:28] <erotic_guy> hiii
[07:29] <erotic_guy> hey jhonny-Five, are you using android phone
[07:30] <erotic_guy> revolution app to connect to libera
[07:34] <erotic_guy> how can i use mate desktop on ubuntu 22.04 LTS
[07:34] <erotic_guy> i love mate desktop
[07:34] <erotic_guy> pls help me
[07:34] <erotic_guy> hahah
[08:50] <spacepirate> Hi Guys
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> welcome spacepirate
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you today
[08:51] <spacepirate> Thank you for the welcome..
[08:52] <spacepirate> Nothing, I'm trying if someone can hear me.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> spacepirate: if 'hear me' means an ubuntu question, go ahead and ask here is the right place
[08:55] <spacepirate> I don't really have any questions related to Ubuntu. But I do have a lot of questions and needed directions to where I can learn Linux in a much more deeper level.
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> spacepirate: come on over the #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[11:58] <militantorc> What is the list of drivers that is present only in Ubuntu but not Debian
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> militantorc: we dont really take polls here, whats your purpose exactly?
[12:03] <militantorc> if it will be debian friendly hardware or not
[12:04] <militantorc> I was told by #debian that #ubuntu would know the answer better
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | militantorc is this what you seek?
[12:11] <militantorc> lotuspsychje, yes but some breakdown about if there are any drivers that only Ubuntu supports but debian or other linux don't have it
[12:15] <ravage> such a list may exist by some 3rd party. Ubuntu does not have such a list.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:48] <militantorc> Hi
[15:18] <al1r4d> Hi militantorc
[15:18] <al1r4d> Hi too BluesKaj
[15:19] <al1r4d> erotic_guy: yes, you can
[15:38] <hwpplayer1> sarnold: do you know any financial apps that show market reports via a desktop client ? I used one for a while 3 years ago but I forgot its name
[15:38] <hwpplayer1> snap or deb same for me in this meaning sarnold
[15:45] <hwpplayer1> I found 34 finance apps but I'm not sure that I can find the "old" one
[15:45] <hwpplayer1> sarnold ^
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> I couldn't find mine sarnold see you later
[17:05] <LtHummus> is there a good CLI app for burning Blu-Ray/DVD/CDs? all my googling leads me to GUI apps which won't work too well on ubuntu server :)
[17:09] <wyatt> x11 forwarding?
[17:11] <rbox> LtHummus: people used to use wodim back in the day
[17:16] <JanC> LtHummus: wodim, cdw, cdrskin, ...
[17:17] <JanC> and burner
[17:17] <LtHummus> oh cdrskin looks good...wodim and cdw don't support blu-rays (according to their manpages)
[17:17] <JanC> ah, that's possible
[18:10] <hacker_> hi
[18:10] <hacker_> i am looking for someone who like to talk
[18:11] <rbox> this channel isn't for chatting
[18:11] <hacker_> ohh ok
[18:11] <hacker_> then for what?
[18:11] <oerheks> see topic
[18:11] <rbox> well as the topic says
[18:11] <rbox> ubuntu support
[18:11] <hacker_> ok
[18:12] <rbox> lol
[19:17] <Guest3765> bonsoir
[20:01] <wontfix[m]> Why does GNOME Initial Setup Copy Worker run other than firstrun or setup?
[20:14] <oerheks> maybe this is your answer? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-initial-setup/-/issues/84
[20:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 84 in GNOME/gnome-initial-setup "Run as target user, not as dedicated gnome-initial-setup user" [Opened]
[20:14] <oerheks> gnome-initial-setup (in the first-boot mode) runs in a cut-down GNOME shell, as a gnome-initial-setup user. Once all pages are complete, it uses accountsservice to create a new account, makes all its files (keyring, GSettings database, ...) readable by that user, and tells GDM to log it out and log in as the new user.
[21:06] <BillTorvalds> https://ubuntu.com <-- Is this really the official Ubuntu website?
[21:06] <BillTorvalds> Because it looks very... um... not how I remember it.
[21:07] <BillTorvalds> I see no downloadable ISOs or anything about it being a Linux distro?
[21:08] <bprompt> BillTorvalds: huh?  I mean, what were you expecting? :), and yes it is
[21:08] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/#download
[21:08] <toddc> BillTorvalds: ubuntu support here yes
[21:09] <wontfix[m]> Well, companies do eventually want to become profitable. Also the tooling and design language have changed for all companies and popular culture.
[21:10] <BillTorvalds> Hmm. Yes. My eyes must have focused on the other parts of the screen.
[21:10] <bprompt> BillTorvalds:  well, the website itself will change, most do you know, depends on how long ago you were there
[21:11] <BillTorvalds> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS <-- If I use this, is the "apt" going to have outdated packages like on Linux Mint, or will PostgreSQL-15 be available?
[21:12] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: You mean is it going to have packages that have been tested and patched, not the latest bleeding edge straight from the developers?  Yes.
[21:12] <toddc> latest stable availible via apt for the most part
[21:13] <bprompt> BillTorvalds:  hmmm good one, for my part I mostly download the ISO and burn and install, haven't done a "distro-upgrade"
[21:13] <BillTorvalds> Because the reason I'm re-considering Ubuntu now is because Linux Mint has such "ancient" packages which wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that I have a PG 15 database which cannot be downgraded.
[21:14] <BillTorvalds> (And  custom apt repos just break the system.)
[21:14] <oerheks> build your own PostgreSQL-15 then?
[21:14] <oerheks> and mint issues are not our problem.
[21:14] <BillTorvalds> That puts me in a perpetual state of maintaining a custom, flimsy installation, though.
[21:14] <oerheks> good luck!
[21:15] <BillTorvalds> My question above was about whether the "LTS" edition of Ubuntu has older apt packages, and whether I should skip that and use the "normal" one?
[21:15] <bprompt> BillTorvalds: or the alternative of updating POstgre :)
[21:15] <toddc> Long term stable
[21:15] <oerheks> we have no PostgreSQL-15 in our repos yet, so pick your bet
[21:15] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/postgresql/+packages
[21:16] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: When you're building a system with a dedicated purpose like a Database Server, it's often a good idea to start with a stable, well tested distribution, then source the key components directly from the Database's own project sources.  That way you can keep the primary ap up to date and not have to worry about the core OS.
[21:17] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: How long do you plan to support this server?
[21:17] <BillTorvalds> Last time I tried Ubuntu, I believe it had multiple "flavours", but that has been dropped now, it seems? (Except for LTS/non-LTS)
[21:17] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: LTS has longer core support.
[21:18] <oerheks> it seems?
[21:18] <BillTorvalds> jhutchins: It's not a dedicated database server, though. It's my personal computer.
[21:18] <jhutchins> Definitely go with Gentoo then.
[21:19] <BillTorvalds> Huh? Why Gentoo?
[21:19] <BillTorvalds> First time I even hear that name in ages.
[21:20] <ravage> BillTorvalds: you can try https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt but that is not supported by Ubuntu (and this channel)
[21:27] <BillTorvalds> ravage: Wait... Are you saying that even the non-LTS Ubuntu only has PG 14 in apt?
[21:29] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/postgresql
[21:31] <ravage> Ubuntu 23.04 will get updates until January 2024
[21:31] <ravage> so you will need to update to the next release until then
[21:31] <ravage> (thats 23.10)
[21:35] <BillTorvalds> Either I've completely lost it, or something VERY fishy is going on here...
[21:37] <BillTorvalds> I downloaded the non-LTS Ubuntu ISO onto my desktop (like with so many other tried OSes), created a new VM in VMware Workstation Player, picked the file, was forced to enter a username and password pre-installation (with no way to avoid it), and then started the VM. Ubuntu's installer loaded up and immediately shows a login screen... for the installer... I enter the username and password just entered, and it says "Authentication failed" and
[21:37] <BillTorvalds> doesn't let me continue to install Ubuntu.
[21:37] <BillTorvalds> I assumed that I must have managed to make a typo of the password (TWICE!), so I repeated this whole procedure. Same thing again.
[21:38] <BillTorvalds> Why would the Ubuntu installer even ask for the username and password immediately, before anything else? That doesn't make sense to me.
[21:39] <BillTorvalds> (And why does VMware have that pre-installation prompt with no way to avoid it?)
[21:41] <wontfix[m]> Permission generation
[21:46] <BillTorvalds> I was able to get around it by NOT picking the ISO until the VM had been created.
[21:46] <BillTorvalds> But I would still love to hear what the deal is with that.
[21:46] <ravage> you have to ask vmware about their specific tweaks
[21:48] <BillTorvalds> Different question: At one step in the installer, it has a checkbox saying something along the lines of "Require my password to login", underneath the username/password stuff. Does this actually mean to say: "Require my username/password at initial boot"? As in, those of us who use full disk encryption don't want to enter both the decryption passphrase and then also username/password, so we skip it and only enter it when the computer is in
[21:48] <BillTorvalds> "locked" state to get back, etc.?
[21:48] <BillTorvalds> ravage: I was mostly referring to Ubuntu's installer having a concept of username/password prior to installation.
[21:50] <oerheks> vm ware asks for user/pass? interesting.
[21:51] <BillTorvalds> Given how polished the Ubuntu installer looks visually, I find the checkbox I mentioned to be very odd.
[21:51] <BillTorvalds> As if checking it disables the account you just created in the above input boxes entirely or something.
[22:28] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: My systems log me in automatically, no login except to become root.
[22:28] <jhutchins> (Or connect remotely.)
[22:55] <BillTorvalds> I have to say that I was appalled by the post-installation nonsense about "setting up online accounts", sending telemetry to Ubuntu (on by default) and that stuff. I also never got asked about the DE, and it appears as if there is a whole separate *project* to get Xfce...
[22:55] <BillTorvalds> Modern computers profoundly depress me. I'm fleeing from the literal nightmare that is Windows 11, but end up in dead ends repeatedly with each Linux distro...