[00:00] <wontfix[m]> Bill, you are free to have it autologin and also have an encrypted disk password
[00:02] <wontfix[m]> Why would an OS ask you about what DE you want as a default? It is one more thing to break and added user friction.
[00:09] <wontfix[m]> Is chromeos_pstore.service used for generic ACPI platform operations or chromeos hardware?
[00:14] <ravage> long gone
[00:14] <oerheks> questions about  chromeos_pstore.service ? where does this comes from?
[00:14] <oerheks> not from installing chrome browser
[00:21] <wontfix[m]> The service is running in systemd
[00:21] <oerheks> on a chromebook?
[00:21] <wontfix[m]> No
[00:21] <oerheks> not in ubuntu
[00:22] <wontfix[m]> Yes in ubuntu
[00:22] <oerheks> i find none, explain?
[00:22] <wontfix[m]> systemd-analyze blame | grep chromeos
[00:23] <oerheks> huh? what does that do ..
[00:25] <wontfix[m]> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/platform/chrome/chromeos_pstore.c
[00:26] <oerheks>  persistent storage on x86 ChromeOS devices. It can be used to store away console logs and crash information across reboots.
[00:27] <wontfix[m]> Which is why I was asking if this was abstracted into something useful in userspace or if it runs just in case and is lacking a conditional way to turn itself off for non CrOS hardware platforms and VMs.
[00:37] <oerheks> weird, i find nothing what that service actually does   modprobe@chromeos_pstore.service
[00:38] <ravage> it tries to load it from /usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-pstore.service
[00:38] <ravage> but the module never gets loaded if you are not on chromeos
[00:38] <ravage> the driver was added in kernel 5.19
[00:38] <oerheks> i am not on a chromeos.
[00:39] <oerheks> only connected to my android phone via chrome browser.
[00:39] <ravage> does not really matter
[00:39] <ravage> it tries to load the module
[00:39] <ravage> Wants=modprobe@efi_pstore.service modprobe@chromeos_pstore.service modprobe@ramoops.service modprobe@pstore_zone.service modprobe@pstore_blk.service
[00:39] <oerheks> maybe it is a part of accounts services
[00:40] <ravage> my system registers the efi_pstore
[00:40] <ravage> from that list
[00:45] <wontfix[m]> Right so I'm wondering if the chromeos one is being loaded accidentally.
[00:47] <ravage> im almost sure it is not loaded on your system
[00:47] <ravage> it will not show up in lsmod
[00:48] <wontfix[m]> The service
[00:48] <wontfix[m]> 88ms modprobe@chromeos_pstore.service
[00:48] <ravage> see above
[00:49] <wontfix[m]> systemd-analyze blame | grep pstore
[02:32] <dsd> hi im trying to find and install the propriety nvidia 340x driver(for nvidia geforce8500gt) because on nouveau i have a pretty unstable perfomance.is there an easy and safe way to do it in ubuntu,i also found out maybe i have to get an older kenel but not sure
[02:37] <JanC> dsd: nvidia-340 is available on all supported Ubuntu-versions; it should be listed under Additional Drivers in the Software Updates dialog, I think?
[02:38] <dsd> JanC i have open the "software and updates" and on the additional after searching it says "No additional drivers available"
[02:39] <JanC> oh, wait, I see on newer versions that package pulls in nouveau...  :-/
[02:40] <dsd> sorry what do you mean by that?
[02:42] <dsd> does that mean that the 340xx package is not supported on ubuntu?
[02:42] <JanC> it means that only Ubuntu 20.04 still has the real nvidia-340 package
[02:42] <oerheks> even the driver ppa gives no 340, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=jammy
[02:43] <oerheks> correct, 20.04 https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=focal
[02:43] <JanC> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/nvidia-340
[02:43] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340
[02:44] <oerheks> maybe not on wayland
[02:44] <oerheks> x11 only?>
[02:44] <JanC> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/nvidia-340 just installs nouveau instead of the real driver
[02:45] <dsd> so does that mean that i will have to install/download another distro with an older kernel?
[02:46] <oerheks> yes, but bionic is EOL
[02:46] <oerheks> !bionic
[02:46] <JanC> 20.04 is still supported
[02:48] <dsd> so if i get the iso from here https://releases.ubuntu.com/focal/ and select the desktop image will i have the 340 driver?
[02:48] <JanC> dsd: what do you mean by "unstable performance"?
[02:48] <JanC> dsd: you can get it fro mAdditional Drivers then, yes
[02:49] <dsd> JanC well i get short screen tearing and stutter even for something as switching windows sometimes and also on games i get untextured graphics and crashes
[02:50] <dsd> JanC i remember like 2-3 years ago maybe i was able to get the driver from "additional drivers" and on the same games i had no issue.
[02:53] <ubuntu> test
[02:53] <dsd> by the way will have any problem having an older ubuntu version?
[02:53] <octav1a> wow! Finally to meet the one and only "ubuntu"!
[02:53] <Guest4027> Hi, I would like to create a bootable USB, but selecting the .iso file doesn't add it to the Ubuntu program? https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#6-installation-complete
[03:05] <akik> which ubuntu release has support for nvidia-340?
[03:06] <akik> i found that it could be 22.10 but i'm not sure
[03:07] <akik> because it says "kinetic (22.10) (misc): Transitional package for xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" why nouveau?
[03:08] <Guest4027> akik, Ubuntu 22.04 can't handle nvidia.  My monitor has wrong resolution.
[03:10] <xangua> Guest4027: I personally find Ventoy more useful (you can add multiple Linux iso's, no need to format USB drive, just drag and drop) https://ventoy.net/en/index.html
[03:10] <Guest4027> xangua, thanks, just need simple solution to make Proxmox.iso a bootable USB.
[03:24] <Guest4027> I solved it https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-make-a-bootable-usb-from-an-iso-in-linux
[04:39] <wontfix[m]> So I'm looking at the plymouth freedesktop repo and I noticed that the throbber.svg doesn't exist and isn't referenced in any file. Is Ubuntu actually using the svg or the pngs for the throbber? ply-throbber.c makes it seem like it is ranges of pngs.
[06:18] <al1r4d> Guest4027, just use `dd` command :)
[06:26] <weedmic> I have an update "solid state storage technology corporation cl4-3d512-q1..." - I think this is a firmware update and I must apply it via the bios.  Is this accurate?  If yes, where is the file so I can put it on a usb stick?
[06:35] <weedmic> whole message "solid state storage technology corporation cl4-3d512-q11 nvme ssstc 512gb"
[06:48] <weedmic> answer was fwupdmgr
[06:55] <tomreyn> "must apply it via the bios" was maybe a bit misleading there
[08:12] <weedmic> what am I looking for here?  if "." is in the path?  https://www.tenable.com/audits/items/CIS_Amazon_Linux_v2.1.0_L1.audit:1dfd5fccc07886f2196d980a6405052e
[08:14] <tomreyn> weedmic: how's that ubuntu related?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> think i found a bug on the default gnome screenshot function, lets say you want to make a screenshot of a picture, the picture has left/right/turn arrows that wont go away until you made your screenshot
[08:36] <weedmic> it's a step to hardening ubuntu by tenable
[08:37] <weedmic> tomreyn: ^
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> tested on ubuntu desktop 22.04, https://imgur.com/a/6ZtE4i7 see if anyone can reproduce that
[08:38] <tomreyn> weedmic: you're applying the CIS benchmark for AWS Linux, though
[08:40] <weedmic> have you a better one?  perhaps more germaine?  I'm almost done, only about 13 steps left (so I'm kind of hoping nope)
[08:41] <tomreyn> https://www.tenable.com/audits/CIS_Ubuntu_22.04_LTS_v1.0.0_Server_L2
[08:42] <tomreyn> it's not "better", it's the one that matches, unlike the one you are using now.
[08:42] <tomreyn> that's if you're using ubuntu 22.04 server
[08:44] <weedmic> will finish first, then look at it
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> i created bug #2023473 on the screenshot tool/EOG see if anyone can confirm that
[09:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2023473 in eog (Ubuntu) "arrows and rotate icons do not autohide when making a screenshot" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023473
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> with flameshot i dont get the bug, so prob related to gnomes screenshot tool^
[10:52] <seer__> I have tabs that wont show so I cant get to them in chrome and one is playing music. I liked it when clicking on chrome in the dock would open up tabs consecutively.  -- this is a bug not a feature.
[10:54] <weedmic> seer__: top sort by programme - close the one that did not close properly, you can do it within top (or remember the pid and do "kill pid"
[10:55] <weedmic> fyi, happened to me last night with runescape, which did not close properly and we keep hearing fishing in the background of a movie :D
[10:56] <seer__> I made the dock tiny, I made the icons tiny. Neigher helped.
[10:56] <seer__> weedmic, I did not understand what you recommended.
[10:57] <seer__> i will killall chrome -0
[10:59] <seer__> totally no understanding but who cares it worked.
[10:59] <seer__> TY
[11:06] <Apachez> "did you turn it off and on again?" ;)
[12:01] <weedmic> seer__: similar to what you did, only I generally find the actual pid (or kill it in htop).
[12:26] <Guest61> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS .  do-release-upgrade is hanging; and doesn't appear to even be doing much.  I'm watching a process list in htop and there's very little activity.
[12:27] <Guest61> when I strace the process, I get a long pause on something that's running some futex wait stuff; I assume it's associated with python multi-threading.  But, then it continues on and the trace information fills up the screen.
[12:28] <Guest61> syslog shows nothing useful.
[12:42] <tomreyn> Guest61: how about dmesg, or the combined logs in the systemd journal ("journalctl" command)
[12:44] <tomreyn> Guest61: did you already start the release upgrade? from 20.04.6 to 22.04, i assume? which stage did it happen in? what's in the dist upgrade log?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:26] <DynamiteDan> greetings. Hown can I check the temperature of a NVMe device on ubuntu?
[14:27] <u8353v[m]> **Linux Mint** with apt update pulls info from canonical servers right?
[14:27] <u8353v[m]> Mint says it respects user privacy/anonymity.
[14:27] <u8353v[m]> How does it differ from Ubuntu?
[14:28] <tarzeau> DynamiteDan: try nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 ?
[14:28] <jeremy31> u8353v[m]: ask at ircs://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-chat
[14:28] <DynamiteDan> i will check
[14:30] <DynamiteDan> it worked
[14:31] <DynamiteDan> thank you tarzeau
[16:14] <wontfix[m]> So I'm looking at the plymouth freedesktop repo and I noticed that the throbber.svg doesn't exist and isn't referenced in any file. Is Ubuntu actually using the svg or the pngs for the throbber? ply-throbber.c makes it seem like it is ranges of pngs.
[16:19] <oerheks> !find throbber.svg
[16:19] <oerheks>  plymouth freedesktop repo ?
[16:26] <wontfix[m]> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/plymouth/plymouth/-/tree/main
[16:27] <oerheks> sorry to hear that such repo does not have it, not our problem
[16:27] <wontfix[m]> Nor in https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/amd64/plymouth-themes/filelist or https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/plymouth-themes/filelist
[16:27] <wontfix[m]> I'm wondering why it is there at all? Is it actually being used at all?
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> wontfix[m]: Did you try actually downloading the source archive for Plymouth in Ubuntu? Because as someone who makes the Edubuntu and Ubuntu Studio Plymouth themes that depend on plymouth-theme-spinner which uses throbber.svg, I assure you, it's very much used.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> And by downloading, I mean inspecting. And just what are you trying to figure out anyway?
[16:33] <wontfix[m]> Oh I was trying to fix something upstream and just noticed it
[16:33] <wontfix[m]> Which is why I asked
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> Well, Ubuntu has a modified, patched version, but yes, it's used.
[16:33] <wontfix[m]> kk
[17:16] <Chunkyz> Hi! How do I set my battery info via terminal/sakura? I can right click with xfce and see it that way but want it in a command line type of output?
[17:16] <Chunkyz> s/set/see/
[17:17] <oerheks> something with dmidecode, i guess
[17:18] <Chunkyz> Nope, that lists other stuff like SSD etc.
[17:20] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: Maybe something like this: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-check-battery-status-using-linux-command-line
[17:20] <oerheks> upower, acpi ..
[17:20] <oerheks> indeed dmidecode gives specs only
[17:22] <Chunkyz> acpi just shows the percent and remaining...
[17:22] <Chunkyz> jhutchins: command not found.
[17:22] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[17:23] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: Imagine that, a useful linux utility that's not already installed.
[17:23] <jhutchins> !info upower
[17:23] <Chunkyz> jhutchins: percentage:          0% (should be ignored)
[17:23] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: I presume you never got as far as acpi.
[17:23] <Chunkyz> not accurate.....
[17:23] <leftyfb> jhutchins: all linux utilities are useful to someone. That doesn't mean all of them get installed by default
[17:24] <Chunkyz> leftyfb: I wanted to see what xfce tells me. capacity, capacity when full etc.
[17:24] <oerheks> then use the tool you already have? seems more advanced than acpi
[17:25] <Chunkyz> no because I'm using a different wm than xfce.
[17:25] <Chunkyz> Idk what it's called to look it up.
[17:25] <Chunkyz> Hence me asking... :-)
[17:26] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: when using upower, did you point it to the correct device?
[17:26] <Chunkyz> Yes...
[17:27] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: tried this?  upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0
[17:28] <Chunkyz> well, I don't think so. Idk where the battery battery is located.
[17:28] <Chunkyz> That just tells me 0 and 1970 lol
[17:28] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: the article jhutchins shared with you told you how to find the correct device
[17:29] <Chunkyz> amazing! thank you. just what I wanted. thanks!
[17:29] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: what was the issue?
[17:30] <Chunkyz> I didn't do upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'`
[17:30] <Chunkyz> now onto another question, how do I change the hz of my monitor?
[17:30] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: it's helpful to read the entire article when people give you links. Not just run highlighted commands
[17:31] <Chunkyz> windows I can set it to 30/40 but unsure in ubuntu...
[17:31] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: xrandr, but that won't work with wayland I think so you'll need to check that first
[17:32] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: https://askubuntu.com/questions/59621/how-to-change-the-monitors-refresh-rate # first result on google for "linux command line change monitor refresh rate"
[17:42] <Chunkyz> how do I know if I'm running wayland?
[17:42] <Chunkyz> oh whilst I'm here (sorry for the loads of questions) how do I fully disable bluetooth?
[17:43] <Chunkyz> I ain't going to use it, you see...
[17:44] <oerheks> type xrandr
[17:44] <oerheks> the output will say something wayland bla bla
[17:45] <navap_> for bluetooth it will be systemctl status bluetooth.service
[17:45] <Chunkyz> nvm, bye.#/part
[19:45] <Crell> Hi folks. I've an older 1 TB HDD in a RAID5 array that's dying and needs to be replaced. I'm debating if it's a reasonable time to upgrade the whole array.  Replacing it with the same as is there now is about $50; I know a larger drive won't be used larger until all the drives are replaced with something larger.  What about switching to SSD?  Is
[19:45] <Crell> having one SSD drive and the others HDD problematic?  Any recommendations on the best way to cleanly fix/upgrade it?
[19:45] <Crell> (It's been like 8 years since I set the thing up; it's software RAID 5, and that's about as much as I remember, frankly.)
[19:48] <wontfix[m]> ssd for boot and hdd for storage is common even on NAS systems
[19:48] <Crell> I don't have it split that way currently; I'm hoping to do it without having to do a reinstall.
[19:49] <Crell> (Home server, light load; most of what it does is run a personal Nextcloud instance.)
[19:49] <wontfix[m]> a tb SSD is cheap if that's all you need
[19:50] <Crell> Would running a RAID array with a mix of SSD and HDD cause an issue?
[19:51] <Crell> My thought is to replace the dying drive with a slightly larger SSD, let it rebuild, then over time replace the other two with SSDs and let it take the full disk space then.
[19:52] <wontfix[m]> Even if it would let you, you're going to lose speed
[19:52] <wontfix[m]> You want to constantly wait on those slow writes or reads?
[19:52] <Crell> Well, only until I replace the whole array.
[19:53] <wontfix[m]> "There is nothing as permanent as a temporary fix"
[19:53] <wontfix[m]> These days you're better off without automated backups to other drives or locations
[19:55] <Crell> Most of the drive is nightly synced to a remote backup service.  I just don't want to have to reconfigure all the software after doing a reinstall. :-(
[19:55] <Crell> (Also trying to spread out the cost.)
[19:58] <wontfix[m]> Sounds like an XY problem
[20:00] <Crell> huh?
[20:01] <wontfix[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem
[20:02] <Crell> Problem: I have a dying hard drive that needs to be replaced, and I want to not do an OS reinstall to replace it.  I'm trying to sus out the options for doing so.
[20:02] <Crell> Replacing it with one of the same model is option A.  I'm trying to determine what options B and C are.
[20:03] <Crell> Eg, if I replace all 3 drives over the course of the next 3 months with larger drives or SSDs, does that cause any issues along the way?
[20:03] <wontfix[m]> None of this is Ubuntu specific and Options aren't a thing until you establish a goal.
[20:04] <wontfix[m]> Goal is to have backup storage within X budget over Y time I presume and using Z time to accomplish.
[20:04] <Crell> I literally just said what the goal is.  Not having a dead drive.  Secondary goal: Improving the hardware in the array while I'm at it.
[20:04] <wontfix[m]> You presuppose the need for a drive array at all.
[20:04] <wontfix[m]> This is offtopic though
[20:05] <Crell> "Continuing to have a local RAID5 array in this computer" is a requirement of the process.  Changing that is not on the table.
[20:51] <rema> When I connect my laptop to my LAN a domain sometimes resolves to a local IP (which it should) and sometimes to my network's external IP (which it only should when the laptop is resolving the IP when connected to any other network).
[20:51] <rema> When I issue "resolvectl status" then I see an IPv6 DNS listed.
[20:53] <rema> I assume that the resolve system jumps between the IPv4 DNS server and the IPv6 one.
[20:53] <rema> How do I get rid of the IPv6 DNS server (assuming that it is the reason for resolving the external IP of the domain)?
[20:54] <jeremy31> rema: Network Manager settings, IPv6 set to ignore or disable?
[20:54] <rema> Do I need IPv6 to be configured in any network I connect my laptop to?
[20:55] <rbox> do you want to connect to hosts over ipv6?
[20:55] <rema> rbox, Whenever I enter an IP its IPv4.
[20:55] <rema> *it's
[20:56] <rbox> and when you use a hostname?
[20:56] <rema> rbox, Then I see no IP :) I don't get your question.
[20:57] <rbox> hostnames resolve to ips... it might resolve to an ipv4... it might resolve to an ipv6
[20:57] <rema> rbox, If I want a hostname in my LAN to be resolved to an IP then it is always IPv4.
[20:58] <rbox> and what abou a hostname on the internet?
[20:59] <rema> rbox, I don't know if there are any domains that only resolve to IPv6. I assume if there are any then I need IPv6 DNS.
[21:01] <rbox> okay well, theres your answer
[21:02] <rema> rbox, So, the answer is "Maybe you need IPv6 DNS, maybe you don't"?
[21:03] <rbox> pretty much