[00:28] <yetoo> I have 20.04 and I'm trying to change soruces to https. How come I get The repository 'https://la.mirrors.clouvider.net/ubuntu main Release' does not have a Release file. When https://la.mirrors.clouvider.net/ubuntu/dists/focal/ and updates variant does have a Release file
[01:40] <NickH> yetoo: what exactly is the line in the sources.list?
[01:41] <yetoo> I added (I think I'm not sure) deb https://lug.mines.edu/mirrors/ubuntu/ focal main to the end and this doesn't happen
[01:41] <yetoo> anymore
[01:43] <IceNine> Hey folks, what's the most accepted way for troubleshooting a (very rare) mce? It seems that all the info on the interwebs state you should use 'mcelog', but then no repos have it.... others say that this is now in the realm of 'rasdemon', but it doesn't seem to know the mce's even happened.... so what should people be using now to view mce's
[01:43] <IceNine> besides the sparse info located in the journal?
[02:33] <wontfix[m]> So uhhh, I could be totally wrong here. Probably am. /usr/share/locale/ files are generally stripped, correct? Translations are handled on their own.
[03:38] <ryan_> hi
[03:38] <samy1028> hello
[03:39] <samy1028> oh well, they left right as I said hello.
[03:39] <spaks> Hi chat people
[03:44] <samy1028> hello spaks
[03:46] <spaks> Yeah I'm new here... just figured out how to register here and I just downloaded Ubuntu so I'm on my journey
[03:48] <samy1028> welcome!
[03:48] <spaks> Much thanks 🙏
[03:54] <guiverc> samy1028, just FYI, this is a support room (ie. if you have problems you can seek help here) rather than a chat room (use #ubuntu-offtopic for chat)
[04:02] <leibniz> yooooo
[04:03] <leibniz> i turned logged off without turning off protonvpn again and now my internet doesn’t work again
[04:03] <leibniz> i’m using budgie
[04:04] <leibniz> i. was using protonvpn and my cursor disappeared so i logged off and logged back in and it came back but my internet won’t work anymore
[04:04] <wontfix[m]> Right so you need to turn off any kind of blocking or shield that company uses
[04:04] <leibniz> how exactly?
[04:04] <wontfix[m]> logout as if you're a new user if it is an app they have
[04:05] <leibniz> i closed the program
[04:05] <wontfix[m]> If it is an app, do they have a menu button?
[04:05] <wontfix[m]> Ok, restart the program
[04:05] <leibniz> i did that earlier and it said “error”
[04:05] <leibniz> man i messed it up
[04:05] <wontfix[m]> Great. If it errors, can you logout
[04:07] <leibniz> ok i’m turning it back on rn hold up
[04:08] <wontfix[m]> Why is Kinetic the only series that has no locale files included for gnome-bluetooth-3-common and gnome-bluetooth-common ?
[04:08] <wontfix[m]> Every other series has one or the other included.
[04:10] <leibniz> doesn’t work
[04:10] <wontfix[m]> Great. So are you logged out with the login screen there
[04:10] <leibniz> https://i.imgur.com/1H6KQ3w.jpg
[04:11] <leibniz> https://i.imgur.com/k5xMAfD.jpg
[04:12] <leibniz> i had protonvpn running and i logged off and logged back in and now my internet isn’t working
[04:12] <wontfix[m]> Ok so it isn't even allowing your wifi to connect properly
[04:13] <wontfix[m]> Right so they have some kind of network catching or blocking going on one moment
[04:13] <leibniz> yea
[04:14] <leibniz> i’ve tried researching this on stackexchange because it happened before but i just reinstalled budgie
[04:14] <wontfix[m]> Do you have the latest version?
[04:14] <leibniz> i just installed it
[04:14] <wontfix[m]> So according to google images there should be a little icon next to the logo on login
[04:14] <wontfix[m]> But i'm not sure if budgie is fully GTK compatible in that way
[04:15] <samy1028> I'm having issues with and Ubuntu 18.04 server on ESXi.  I used vCenter converter to clone it from ESXi 6.0 to our new ESXi 7.0 cluster.  Hardware on the new machine is identical (same physical CPU's, same NIC (e1000)).  On the new clone it is stuck during boot at "btrfs loaded crc32c=crc32c-intel"
[04:15] <samy1028> I've booted from a live ISO so I have access to the filesystem for now.  Any ideas on what to look for or how to get past this?
[04:15] <leibniz> no you seen the image there is not icon next to the login button
[04:15] <wontfix[m]> https://github.com/ProtonVPN/linux-app/issues/20#issuecomment-890363441
[04:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 20 in ProtonVPN/linux-app "Internet kill switch seems to be implicitly enabled [Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora]" [Closed]
[04:16] <wontfix[m]> Right i'm saying there should be according to these images.
[04:16] <wontfix[m]> Also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1319033/internet-stops-working-after-installing-protonvpn
[04:17] <wontfix[m]> Apparently you need to be more careful with the permanent "kill switch" feature
[04:19] <leibniz> ok hold up
[04:19] <leibniz> i think i may have fixed it
[04:19] <leibniz> protonvpn just sucks
[04:19] <leibniz> i’m restarting now
[04:19] <leibniz> can you recommend a better vpn?
[04:20] <wontfix[m]> Outside of the scope of the chat i'm afraid!
[04:20] <leibniz> hmm
[04:20] <wontfix[m]> But you should Mull it over
[04:20] <leibniz> i guess you wouldn’t be allowed to recommend any software
[04:21] <leibniz> ok that worked
[04:21] <leibniz> back on my pc
[04:22] <leibniz> thanks g
[04:22] <wontfix[m]> np
[04:22] <leibniz> i probably would have figured that out
[04:22] <leibniz> so what do you think happened?
[04:22] <leibniz> the software sucks ?
[04:23] <wontfix[m]> IDK I only use VPNs for work and they are point to point
[07:45] <jelly> hi, using Remmina snap on focal, how do I allow it to talk to ssh agent and also connect to existing ssh multiplex sessions via sockets in ~/.ssh/sockets/?
[08:44] <ravage> jelly: "snap connections remmina" then check the ones you may need. like "sudo snap connect remmina:ssh-keys" or "sudo snap connect remmina:password-manager-service"
[08:44] <ravage> the snap website should really mention that
[10:53] <Guest62> Hi guys, Im trying to set my power button to instantly shut off my Ubuntu 22.04 LTS OS
[10:53] <Guest62> Currently, when I press the power button, it brings up a secondary prompt asking me to confirm if I want to shut down
[10:53] <Guest62> I want it to instantly power off, force quit apps and shut down, when I press the power button
[10:53] <Guest62> Anybody have advice how to acheive this?
[10:53] <Guest62> ty
[10:54] <tarzeau> Guest62: use terminal and poweroff?
[10:54] <tarzeau> or pull the cable
[10:54] <Guest62> Yes but how do I link that behaivor to the power button
[10:55] <Guest62> I want to click power button > laptop shuts down (and force quits running apps)
[10:55] <tarzeau> make the power button run poweroff
[10:55] <Guest62> so it doesnt hang up, saying "are you sure you want to force-quit notepad"
[10:55] <Guest62> How?
[10:55] <Guest62> I've never done that before
[10:55] <EriC^^> Guest62: you could maybe set it up in the keyboard shortcuts
[10:56] <Guest62> Ok perfect =)
[10:56] <Guest62> WHat is the CLI command to shutdown
[10:57] <EriC^^> you'd have to use another combination though, seems power button doesnt pick up
[10:57] <Guest62> Forced shutdown, so it wont ask for confirmation if apps are running, but without corrupting anything
[10:57] <Guest62> I'm making a custom keyboard shortcut
[10:57] <EriC^^> ctrl+shift+p for instance
[10:57] <Guest62> I just need to know the CLI
[10:57] <Guest62> again, making sure it force-shuts down if apps are running
[10:58] <EriC^^> do you use sudo without a password by any chance?
[10:59] <Guest62> no
[10:59] <Guest62> I have a passphrase
[10:59] <Guest62> so would it just be "shutdown"
[11:00] <EriC^^> no
[11:00] <Guest62> or can shutdown only be ran as root etc? And does shutdown force quit apps or wait for programs to close?
[11:00] <Guest62> About the CLI command, what would it be?
[11:00] <Guest62> "shutdown" ? or :P
[11:00] <EriC^^> it would be "sudo poweroff"
[11:01] <Guest62> will that then ask for my password though?
[11:01] <EriC^^> but that would require a password, so i'm not sure but "systemctl poweroff" might work without a password, give that a shot
[11:01] <Guest62> ok ty
[11:01] <EriC^^> if not, you could add to sudoers your user to use /sbin/poweroff without asking for a password
[11:01] <Guest62> hmmm would that compromise privacy
[11:01] <Guest62> or security
[11:02] <Guest62> to have a sudoer be a user account
[11:02] <EriC^^> your user is already a sudoer by default
[11:02] <Guest62> ok dang
[11:02] <Guest62> pressing power button did nothing
[11:02] <EriC^^> try in a terminal "systemctl poweroff" to see if it works without sudo, but know it might poweroff obviously
[11:03] <Guest62> hmmmm
[11:04] <CheesePotatos1> Alright, the systemctl shutdown/poweroff worked
[11:04] <CheesePotatos1> in terminal
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> but not as a custom keyboard shortcut
[11:05] <EriC^^> ok
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> and that was a non-sudo terminal
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> just opened terminal, command, powered off
[11:05] <EriC^^> try adding some shortcut other than the poweroff button
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> I didnt sudo su before testing it
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> I really want it to be the poweroff button tho
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> I can easily find that one quickly
[11:07] <EriC^^> 1sec
[11:07] <CheesePotatos1> shutdown -h now
[11:07] <CheesePotatos1>  in the keyboard shortcuts menu also didnt work
[11:07] <weedmic> CheesePotatos1: are you also Guest62?
[11:08] <CheesePotatos1> poweroff -f also did nothing
[11:08] <CheesePotatos1> man this should be working
[11:09] <weedmic> Anyway, one can put awidget on the task bar and configure it to be only shutdown.  I have the same widget twice on every computer.  poweroff on one and lock on the other.  if I need to do something else, I use the application launcher
[11:09] <CheesePotatos1> I want to poweroff using a 1 button press, the power button
[11:09] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: try "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power power-button-action nothing"
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> ooooooyie vey
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> Where in terminal or in the shortcut
[11:10] <EriC^^> it's set as 'interactive' by default, maybe nothing will do it
[11:10] <EriC^^> terminal
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> it already does nothing
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> anyway, pasted the command, no errors
[11:11] <CheesePotatos1> Alright, setting a different key other than power button, also didnt work
[11:11] <CheesePotatos1> thats really weird
[11:11] <CheesePotatos1> it should be running the command when the button is pushed
[11:13] <weedmic> system settings>energy savings>pick appropirate tab like AC>check button events handling - set when power button pressed "shut down"
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> I tried that first
[11:13] <weedmic> you can also select prompt or not
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> It brings up a promp
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> no option for prompt
[11:13] <weedmic> uncheck the prompt dialog
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> There isnt one
[11:13] <weedmic> oic, mine has
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> yeah im using a different WM
[11:14] <weedmic> what version is your DE?
[11:14] <CheesePotatos1> Im on PopOS, runs Ubuntu 22.04 with a different DE/WM
[11:14] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: would suspend or hibernate work or you need shutdown?
[11:14] <CheesePotatos1> only shutdown
[11:14] <weedmic> u can upgrade to kde ;) - or find where that part of the script is and change it, but that is beyond me.
[11:14] <CheesePotatos1> with 1 button
[11:15] <CheesePotatos1> Yeah Im using PopOS because it comes with nvidia gpu driver
[11:15] <CheesePotatos1> and i borked my other OSs trying to install the nvidia driver
[11:15] <CheesePotatos1> so Im using Pop because it works out of the box
[11:15] <EriC^^> the gsettings one has 'suspend' and 'hibernate' as options fwiw
[11:16] <CheesePotatos1> yeah
[11:16] <CheesePotatos1> I just want a poweroff -f basically
[11:17] <EriC^^> this seems like it should work, you basically need to capture the poweroff button being pressed and disable what it does with the 'nothing' option, https://askubuntu.com/questions/580902/how-to-change-mapping-for-the-poweroff-key-on-keyboard
[11:18] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: if you type 'xev' in a terminal and press the button does it mention any keycode?
[11:18] <CheesePotatos1> Really old though
[11:18] <CheesePotatos1> commands may be different now
[11:19] <CheesePotatos1> it changes everytime
[11:19] <CheesePotatos1> theres no consistant keybode
[11:19] <CheesePotatos1> that I can see
[11:22] <CheesePotatos1> shutdown -P now , why doesnt this work?
[11:22] <CheesePotatos1> its a valid command
[11:22] <CheesePotatos1> everything looks correct, it should work
[11:25] <weedmic> for about a year, nvidia has been offering "Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules" - perhaps things have changed.  I know the last 2 versions of opensuse went without a hitch.  although the last few years ubuntu has been without a hitch too, but i had to change some things for nvidia.
[11:26] <tarzeau> weedmic: yeah now the firmware module is not open source, but a 50 mb blob
[11:27] <weedmic> sounds believable
[11:27] <CheesePotatos1> wow it was open source?
[11:27] <CheesePotatos1> The nvidia driver?
[11:27] <CheesePotatos1> WoW
[11:28] <EriC^^> i got it to work CheesePotatos1
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> Anyone have any ideas?
[11:28] <tarzeau> https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> :D :)
[11:28] <weedmic> share the technique pls CheesePotatos1
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> ???
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> What technique
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> for what
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> EriC, you got what to work?
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> The power button or the gpu driver
[11:28] <weedmic> on how you got the button to work
[11:28] <EriC^^> the power button thing
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> Oh I havent yet
[11:29] <weedmic> :D
[11:29] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: first type "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power power-button-action nothing"
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> EriC seems to have the tome of wisdome to enlighten us
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> We praise the holy Unix
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> Imagine making Linux fetishish a religion
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> Ok done
[11:30] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: ok type "sudo nano /etc/acpi/poweroff.sh"
[11:31] <CheesePotatos1> ok
[11:31] <EriC^^> add the following lines
[11:31] <EriC^^> event=button/power
[11:31] <EriC^^> action=/etc/acpi/poweroff.sh
[11:31] <EriC^^> it's literally from that page i posted earlier btw
[11:32] <EriC^^> actually 1 sec, my bad
[11:32] <CheesePotatos1> yes, well Im glad it works, I was just worried the old post would be outdated commands
[11:32] <EriC^^> nevermind the event=... stuff, put "/usr/bin/systemctl poweroff"
[11:32] <CheesePotatos1> wait so
[11:33] <CheesePotatos1> delete all of that
[11:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:33] <CheesePotatos1> Do I paste '/usr/bin/systemctl poweroff' into the poweroff.sh text editor area
[11:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:33] <CheesePotatos1> should I add the flag -f to force shutdown
[11:34] <CheesePotatos1> -f may be for 'shutdown'
[11:34] <EriC^^> not sure it takes -f, so no
[11:34] <CheesePotatos1> ok
[11:34] <CheesePotatos1> ok now how do we link this to the power button
[11:34] <EriC^^> this isnt the poweroff command, some systemd thing so you dont need to use sudo
[11:34] <EriC^^> ok, type 'sudo chmod +x /etc/acpi/poweroff.sh"
[11:35] <EriC^^> then type "sudo nano /etc/acpi/events/power"
[11:35] <EriC^^> there paste the event=.. action=...poweroff.sh so you link the power button to the script
[11:36] <CheesePotatos1> wait wut
[11:36] <CheesePotatos1> these action=/etc/acpi/poweroff.sh
[11:37] <CheesePotatos1> ?
[11:37] <CheesePotatos1> two lines rite
[11:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:37] <CheesePotatos1> ok done
[11:37] <EriC^^> ok give it a shot
[11:38] <CheesePotatos1> pressed power button, nothing
[11:38] <CheesePotatos1> do i need to restart for those commands to take effect
[11:38] <EriC^^> ah right
[11:38] <CheesePotatos1> ?
[11:38] <EriC^^> type sudo acpid restart
[11:39] <CheesePotatos1> ty
[11:42] <CheeseFries2> it works great, two questions, how "safe" is this shutdown option, will it potentially corrupt files/OS? and can this shutdown be cancled mid-way, such as if somebody hits Esc ors imilar
[11:42] <CheeseFries2> or similar
[11:43] <EriC^^> should be safe, it's a typical poweroff command for systemd, i dont think it could be canceled midway
[11:43] <CheeseFries2> perfection
[11:43] <CheeseFries2> thank you very much EriC
[11:43] <CheeseFries2> ^_^
[11:43] <EriC^^> no problem CheeseFries2
[12:48] <kemik> how can i install 32 bit apps to my 64bit ubuntu machine ? does it possible ?
[12:48] <kemik> i got so manny errors abt it while "make" command
[12:48] <kemik> thx for yr kindly helps
[12:48] <tarzeau> kemik: which apps exactly?
[12:49] <kemik> ircservices-5.0.64
[12:50] <kemik> or another ircservices version is ok for me 5.1.24 but i got the errors
[12:50] <tarzeau> kemik: does it have a homepage with sources?
[12:50] <kemik> yes 1 sec
[12:50] <kemik> http://achurch.org/services/
[12:51] <willcl-ark> anyone know how to install libglib2.0-dev on 22.10? It says the package has been moved out of incoming, but not sure how to continue past that?
[12:51] <tarzeau> then just build it on amd64 for amd64?
[12:51] <kemik> configure no problem but making "make" commands
[12:51] <kemik> i got errors
[12:51] <tarzeau> kemik: which problem? which errors?
[12:52] <kemik> i will pastebin for you
[12:52] <tarzeau> willcl-ark: but it's there? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0
[12:52] <kemik> https://pastebin.pl/view/b38a85f7
[12:53] <kemik> before 32 bit machine there were no errors as far as i know abt it
[12:56] <tarzeau> kemik: well yes you'll have to fix that :)
[12:58] <willcl-ark> tarzeau: thanks. That prompted me to realise I somehow didn't have updates as a source
[12:59] <leftyfb> willcl-ark: 22.04 is EOL
[13:00] <leftyfb> oh sorry, next month
[13:01] <ogra> leftyfb, 22.04 ?!?!
[13:01] <willcl-ark> I have a while on 22.10 I hope
[13:01] <leftyfb> bah, 22.10
[13:01] <ogra> you mean .10 😉
[13:01] <leftyfb> not a morning person :)
[13:01] <leftyfb> also, I type 22.04 a LOT
[13:02] <ogra> willcl-ark, nope, lefty is correct ... 22.10 goes EOL soon ...
[13:02] <willcl-ark> oh crap, July
[13:02] <ogra> 9 months after release for non-LTS ...
 kemik: well yes you'll have to fix that :)
[13:03] <kemik> can i start any 32 bit app at 64 bit machine ?
[13:03] <ogra> sure ...
[13:03] <kemik> or do i need to download some libs first ?
[13:03] <ogra> the kernels supports 32bit by default and IIRC we also ship the 32bit libc by default ...
[13:03] <ogra> for all dependencies you have to care yourself though ....
[13:04] <kemik> but before it was working at 32 bit machine
[13:04] <ogra> (only a very small set of libs is still in he archive (i.e. everything to run wine ... and some for some old printer drivers)
[13:04] <ogra> )
[13:04] <kemik> damn i feel bad really.
[13:05] <ogra> you could just fix the compile errors ...
[13:05] <ogra> or ask upstream to do it
[13:05] <kemik> yeah ok thx for yr kindly helps
[13:05] <ogra> it isnt like there are still many 32bit based distos left
[13:05] <ogra> most bigger ones have dropped it
[13:07] <kemik> true.
[13:07] <kemik> i had edited this services to use for myself 8 yrs ago
[13:07] <kemik> so i wanted to use that one again
[13:07]  * alkisg1 just tested debian bookworm / kde, it ran fine on 32bit
[13:08] <kemik> also non-edited versions has got some errors
[13:08] <kemik> so i thought that it is abt 64 bit
[13:44] <isene> Here's a tricky one is you're up for a challenge. rsh (https://github.com/isene/rsh) is almost ready for being a valid login shell. It will do most of what I want - and it does handle my full LS_COLOR setup (https://github.com/isene/LS_COLORS) and works nicely with rtfm (https://github.com/isene/RTFM) when run from a terminal - but NOT as a login shell. As a login shell it does show colors
[13:44] <isene> correctly with ls, but not when I launch rtfm. There must be some environment variable that is not set or some such. Any pointers?
[13:44] <isene> It gets weirder; I use rsh as a login shell and launch rtfm - colors are gone. I quit rtfm, launch zsh and then rtfm - colors are perfect. I quit rtfm and zsh and I'm back in rsh. Then I launch bash and then rtfm - colors are half-gone. Both zsh and bash have $TERM = "rxvt-unicode-256color", so that's not the issue. What is?
[14:12] <mort> what do I do about the fact that Ubuntu's clang++ package provides a clang++ which is apparently not configured to look for headers in the location Ubuntu's libstdc++ package puts the libstdc++ headers
[14:32] <irwiss> on kubuntu 2304 sometimes (looks to be after sleep) kde system settings app stops opening, with the only indicator i found is "qt.qpa.xcb: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow)" in journal, other apps seem to work fine, can i somehow reset the badwindow without restarting the session?
[14:40] <al1r4d> ogra: there are still available, like debian, void, and the others
[14:40] <ogra> sure ... there are still a few
[14:41] <ogra> i only said "most bigger ones" ... meaning fedora, ubuntu, SuSE etc (not sure about arch and its derivatives, but i tink they dropped it too)
[14:43] <ogra> thoug the build issues are not related to 32/64bit at all ... just t the fact that the code is dead and unmaintained since 2009 and simply does not meet current C standards ... i did a little play-around during lunch break out of interest and quickly made a snap package out of the dead code: https://github.com/ogra1/ircservices-snap
[14:43] <ogra> 😉
[14:43] <ogra> (see the patch.txt file for needed fixes)
[17:03] <vershan> Hi, running ubuntu 22.04. bluetooth auto enables and starts on which I dont want /etc/bluetooth/main.conf is 'autoenable set to false'. what options are there
[17:04] <leftyfb> vershan: sudo systemctl disable bluetooth
[17:04] <vershan> @leftyfb, is this done on the fly, and must i revert the changes that I made to main.conf?
[17:05] <leftyfb> I'm not sure what you mean by "is this done on the fly" but regarding your changes, they won't affect this
[17:06] <vershan> @leftyfb, thank you, ill do this and restart to see what happens. will feedback in a jippy
[17:12] <vershan> @leftyfb, seems to have done the trick thanks, Ubuntu forums suggest that I edit /etc/buetooth/main.conf and change 'autoenable' to false. But that failed to have worked. The command you provided seemed to have done the trick. Many thanks for your assistance
[18:34] <Vercas1> How can I make initramfs-tools put a custom firmware file in the initramfs?
[18:37] <leftyfb> Vercas: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/*
[18:38] <leftyfb> you might want to use "copy_exec" in one of those files or one of your own
[18:38] <Vercas> Hmmm doesn't copy_exec mean copy and make executable? 🤔
[18:39] <sarnold> Vercas: check the initramfs-tools(7) manpage, there's a bit in there on firmware that might be useful
[18:39] <Vercas> sarnold, the only bit about firmware is "Including a system firmware preimage"
[18:40] <Vercas> So it just prepends another initramfs to the one it generates?
[18:40] <Vercas> If I am understanding this correctly, it's not what I am looking for.
[18:40] <leftyfb> Vercas: why does it matter if it's executable? It's for your ephemeral initrd
[18:40] <Vercas> When I said custom firmware file, I mean from /lib/firmware, to be used by a driver.
[18:40] <Vercas> leftyfb, a'ight, just asking. :(
[18:42] <Vercas> Ah, there's an `add_firmware` helped function as well.
[18:46] <Guest66> I am somewhat confused about apparmor and ufw? Are they interfaces for the same thing? Do I use one of them or both? Both services seems to be installed and running.
[18:47] <Guest66> I am running on ubuntu server 22.04 without a GUI
[18:49] <Guest66> from what i can gather ufw is an interface to iptables which is supposed to be deprecated, but apparmor is an "application firewall".
[18:49] <leftyfb> Guest66: ufw is to manage netwok firewall rules (iptables). apparmor is a security tool to manage file and process permissions. The latter you generally do not need to mess with unless you know you do.
[18:52] <Guest66> leftyfb that seems to be what I understood, just wasn't sure I got it right. So since ubuntu is still bundling ufw, I guess I was mis-informed that iptables is deprecated? I know tcpwrapper is, but that's another thing altogether.
[18:52] <leftyfb> Guest66: I think ufw manages nftables now. Not sure, haven't really messed with it yet
[18:54] <Guest66> from what I read, apparmor filters network ports as well as limits applications to directories. It also sandboxes applications although I am not sure how yet. However, igf I understood you, UFW does the network ports and services bit?
[18:54] <leftyfb> UFW manages network firewall rules
[18:55] <leftyfb> apparmor manages file and service permissions. This includes access to network ports and such since in linux, everything is a file
[18:55] <leftyfb> kinda oversimplifying it here though
[18:57] <sarnold> Guest66: ufw is a front end to iptables (old ubuntu) or nftables (new ubuntu)
[18:58] <sarnold> Guest66: apparmor is a mandatory access control that confines processes and limits what confined processes can do; some day it will grow to fine-grained network access controls but for now it's just allowing/denying tcp vs udp vs sctp vs raw etc
[18:58] <Guest66> That is helpful. If network firewall rules are something like 'allow 10.0.0.0 tcp/25', then is apparmor's rule more like  'allow application x access to port tcp/80', allow application x access to /tmp etc?
[18:59] <sarnold> the ipc controls and file controls and capabilities controls in apparmor are all significantly better developed
[18:59] <sarnold> apparmor is more like "network tcp,"
[19:02] <Guest66> sarnoid that partly the source of my confusion. Does apparmor replace ufw or is ufw a dependency of apparmor?. Do I still need both? Or can I removwed ufw and just use apparmor?
[19:06] <Guest66> i.e. if apparmor is a "better" more advanced ufw, do I still need ufw?
[19:07] <leftyfb> apparmor is not the proper tool to manage firewall rules
[19:10] <Guest66> leftyfb ok, so that is where ufw comes in?
[19:10] <leftyfb> yes
[19:10] <Guest66> thanks. I can deal with firewall rules.
[19:12] <Guest66> I gather applications managed by aparmor require profiles and there an standard ones that can be downloaded as a package. Presumbly if you are running an application that there is no profile for, then you have to create you own?
[19:14] <leftyfb> Guest66: I've been running Ubuntu on thousands of servers and hundreds of workstations since about 2007. I've never once even had to look into how to manage profiles, let alone an application that required it.
[19:19] <Guest66> leftyfb that is very interesting indeed to note.
[19:24] <Guest66> thnx btw.
[19:48] <tobe> o
[19:48] <tobe> hello
[19:48] <tobe> new to this but im looking for some support
[19:48] <tobe> on linux rdp system (guacamole)
[21:05] <SuperLag> Is there a particular *benefit* to installing via snap vs apt?
[21:06] <tarzeau> SuperLag: i'm not aware of any. maybe a software that is only available as snap, but i wouldn't call that benefit of snap
[21:08] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Snaps usually include all of the dependencies, so the versions (usually) all match the requirements, rather than depending on system libraries, which can get out-of-sync with some apps.
[21:08] <tarzeau> could be useful for software developers in distributing their software
[21:09] <jhutchins> SuperLag: I think one of the benefits is supposed to be that it's easier to create a single package that works with multiple distros.
[21:09] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Snaps can also include versions of dependencies that would break things on the target system.
[21:09] <tarzeau> is gradle in its latest upstream version available as snap?
[21:11] <jhutchins> ,v gradle
[21:11] <jhutchins> Bah.
[21:11] <jhutchins> !info gradle
[21:12] <tarzeau> it's like make, but for java
[21:12] <tarzeau> maybe as gradlew ?
[21:13] <tarzeau> jhutchins: would need to be 6.x to be useful
[22:04] <bray90820> Is there a ppa to ether upgrade or downgrade nautilus to a version other than ubutu provides because I am experencing a few issues right now
[22:18] <Bashing-om> bray90820: focal repo has 3 versions of naitilus.
[22:18] <bray90820> I forget what version number is Focal
[22:20] <Bashing-om> bray90820: Sorry - I am currently booting jammy 22.04 // it is jammy that I am looking at that has the 3 versions available.
[22:20] <bray90820> Alright
[22:20] <bray90820> Thanks
[23:32] <spaks> Hi
[23:38] <sarnold> hi spaks
[23:57] <Macwinner> if you update the /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml file, and then reboot the server (without running netplan apply), would you expect the network configuration to be updated on reboot?  or does "netplan apply" do something under the hood to update other configuration files?
[23:58] <sarnold> iirc netplan apply runs netplan generate before restarting systemd-network or networkmanager