[00:08] <spaks> Help please: I know this is Ubuntu but I also have a debian channel here but I have to be logged in to join . I've already registered my nickname but everytime I try to log in irc.libera.chat it throws an error
[00:11] <sarnold> spaks: the folks in #libera are probably better able to help you diagnose your login problems
[00:12] <spaks> Ok much thanks 🙏
[02:16] <penguin__> hello
[02:23] <robingrud> d> Is there anyone online? I'm a newbie and I need help configuring slapd for a school project. Actually, I just need to configure sha-256 hashing for passwords on slapd, but I don't know how because it seems that LDAP v3 doesn't support it natively. I've tried so many tutorials on the internet, but here I am.
[02:25] <sarnold> https://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/1467.html holy cow this is frustrating
[02:30] <sarnold> .. and this looks like old garbage https://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/security.html
[02:30] <sarnold> robingrud: maybe take a look at 389ds? it looks less garbage https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_directory_server/11/html/configuration_command_and_file_reference/plug_in_implemented_server_functionality_reference#password-storage-schemes
[02:35] <robingrud> tks guys, like ive said im a newbie and im trying to get better and learn from this lesson... im gonna check out these links and try to finish the task.
[08:52] <pydev1> hello
[08:52] <pydev1> i am installing mariadb using the official Mariadb repository
[08:52] <pydev1> when i run apt update i get
[08:52] <pydev1> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://mirror.mva-n.net/mariadb/repo/11.0/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[08:52] <pydev1> i am using this configuration
[08:52] <pydev1> https://mariadb.org/download/?t=repo-config&d=22.04+%22jammy%22&v=11.0&r_m=mva
[08:52] <pydev1> is there a way to remove that warning ?
[08:55] <pydev1> if i do apt search mariadb-server
[08:55] <pydev1> i get
[08:55] <pydev1> mariadb-server/unknown 1:11.0.2+maria~ubu2204 amd64
[08:55] <pydev1> "unknown" ??
[08:58] <belst> pydev1: you can add arch=amd64 to the options list inside your .list file (if there is no options list, eg signed-by you can just add it after the deb. eg: deb [arch=amd64] url jammy main
[08:59] <pydev1> belst, on that page i see that i need to create a .sources file where i copied this: https://bpa.st/ERNQU
[08:59] <pydev1> can i change it ?
[08:59] <pydev1> how can i change it ?
[09:00] <belst> just add a new line with: Arch: amd64
[09:04] <MadLamb> I am having an audio problem with Microsoft Teams when I am wearing my pixel buds. Sometimes I am inaudible or with a lot of background noise. I'd appreciate some advice on how to debug or if there something I can do so it just works?
[09:05] <Jaydom> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu
[09:06] <weedmic> Jaydom: they are the same, only the DE is different.  I find KDE to be widely used and there are a lot of widgets, etc.
[09:07] <pydev1> belst, i am trying
[09:07] <weedmic> MadLamb: on the speaker near the clock, did you set the output to the pixel buds?  maybe the output is misdirected?
[09:08] <pydev1> belst, same problem
[09:08] <pydev1> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://mirror.mva-n.net/mariadb/repo/11.0/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[09:08] <pydev1> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/debug/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://mirror.mva-n.net/mariadb/repo/11.0/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[09:08] <belst> pydev1: might be you have to write Architectures: instead of just Arch: not sure tbh. haven't used the deb822 style yet
[09:08] <MadLamb> weedmic, to be honest I am having issues for some time already so I already played a lot with the settings, its nothing so basic like that.
[09:09] <pydev1> try
[09:09] <pydev1> belst, yes!!
[09:09] <pydev1> works
[09:09] <MadLamb> weedmic, the output was correct. I also switched from A2DP to HFP
[09:09] <pydev1> belst, why i see mariadb-server/unknown 1:11.0.2+maria~ubu2204 amd64
[09:10] <weedmic> I sometimes have issues with double sound, in that case, i use ksysmon, stop the process for pulse, wait five seconds and start it again.  it might take 5 tries.
[09:10] <pydev1> "unknown" ??
[09:10] <pydev1> after apt search mariadb-server
[09:12] <belst> are u on jammy? it should just say jammy tbh. dunno why it says unkown
[09:12] <pydev1> yes 22.04
[09:18] <pydev1> belst, do you think is safe :D
[09:30] <belst> probably ^^
[09:37] <pydev1> belst, another question, i usually want to create an home for each website i am running, so each website has its home, user/group and then i add the user to www-data is it possible to add an home inside another home? i mean www-data usually creates the home in /var/www
[09:37] <pydev1> can i create /var/www/website1 /var/www/website2
[09:37] <pydev1> with website1:website1 and website2:website2
[09:40] <belst> oof, are u using nginx? u'd have to have a separate pool for each website then. I wouldn't nest home folders tho. probably works but might make things complicated
[09:40] <belst> I guess instead of having different pools you could also use ACL to give the correct permissions for the webserver
[09:43] <pydev1> belst, yes nginx
[09:43] <pydev1> belst, do you have a guide i can follow?
[09:44] <pydev1> maybe i can use /home/website1   etc
[09:44] <belst> not really
[09:44] <belst> yeah sure
[09:46] <pydev1> belst, i do not know what is the common way to do that but i also read that /opt is used
[09:46] <pydev1> too
[09:55] <belst> There is no real common way, just the way it makes the most sense for your usecase
[09:55] <belst> so /home/website1 sounds reasonable
[09:56] <pydev1> perfect
[09:56] <pydev1> then i also think that each website must have its user
[09:56] <pydev1> user1:www-data
[09:56] <pydev1> user2:www-data
[09:59] <belst> you can also just have 1 user /home/websites and then put each of them into /home/websites/{website1,website2} and so on
[10:00] <pydev1> belst, here the problem is that maybe a website can change something into another if i use the same user on all the website
[10:00] <pydev1> no ?
[10:00] <pydev1> *websites
[10:00] <belst> possibly yes
[10:01] <pydev1> for that reason i think that i should create a user for each website, and maybe yes put everything inside /home/websites/{homes_of websites}
[10:01] <belst> but if you give the group write permissions you have the same problem again
[10:01] <pydev1> no www-data can only read
[10:02] <pydev1> but yes it means that a website can read the config on another website (maybe file with passwords etc)
[10:02] <pydev1> so it is not a 100% safe solution
[10:02] <pydev1> can i not "block" the user to go outside its home ?
[10:02] <belst> also might not work depending on which kinds of websites u have
[10:02] <belst> the webserver doesnt care which user owns sth as long as it can read stuff
[10:02] <pydev1> belst, www-data should also have write permissions to /media folders too
[10:02] <belst> it's the webserver that does all the stuff
[10:03] <belst> not the user the files belong to
[10:03] <pydev1> belst, yes but lets suppose you have website1 with a pho script that read a file inside another website (another home)
[10:03] <pydev1> can i block such attemps ?
[10:03] <pydev1> belst, the php file has specific permissions so if the user that is running php is the same everywhere it means that it can read/Write etc
[10:04] <pydev1> so i am thinking if there is a way to block an user to do stuff only inside its home
[10:04] <belst> the php files permission don't matter in this case
[10:04] <pydev1> not outside
[10:04] <belst> it's the permissions of the user the php executable runs
[10:04] <pydev1> belst, why not? sure but i run it in php-fpm i have a pool of configurations where i can se the correct user:group for each website
[10:05] <belst> you need a new pool for each website then
[10:05] <pydev1> but here same thing if it runs with user:www-data permissions it means that it can read other things inside the filesystem
[10:05] <pydev1> belst, yes sure
[10:05] <belst> just dont use the www-data group then
[10:05] <belst> just use user:user and run the fpm pool with that aswell
[10:05] <belst> and set o-r on everything so noone can read stuff
[10:06] <belst> except user
[10:06] <belst> same for nginx if u want it to server static files
[10:06] <pydev1> hmmm ok interesting... and...what about if a have folders like /media where we usually save uploaded files etc..
[10:06] <pydev1> exactly for serving static files too
[10:06] <pydev1> how can i do that if i set user:user
[10:06] <pydev1> ?
[10:07] <belst> u can either use acls or have a common group with write on /media
[10:07] <belst> but not on the other folders
[10:08] <pydev1> so basically what we are saying is...run everything with user:user except stats (js/css) and /media where there are uploaded files contents
[10:08] <pydev1> but it is not a clear solution because for example if i run php with user:user than i CANT work on uploaded content if they have www-data:www-data
[10:10] <pydev1> belst, i need to understand if i can run nginx with the same user:group
[10:11] <pydev1> if it is possible i win, becuase i have php and nginx with the same permissions
[10:16] <vcv> hey
[12:51] <pydev1> what command should i use to create an user with no nome no login ...basically nothing
[12:51] <pydev1> :D
[12:51] <tarzeau> pydev1: adduser with the right parameters
[12:52] <pydev1> what is the difference between adduser and useradd
[12:52] <pydev1> a bit confused about that
[12:52] <tarzeau> useradd exists everywhere and doesn't do some handy things, adduser does
[12:52] <pydev1> ok
[12:52] <tarzeau> you could completely add a user creating home dir, adding him to /etc/passwd, shadow group manually without any tool
[12:53] <ogra> adduser has the distro defaults (default groups etc) and uses useradd in he backend
[12:53] <ogra> *in the
[12:53] <pydev1> ok
[12:53] <tarzeau> github.com also has a graphical usermanager from xen0vas i had an ITP for, waiting for it get more activity to rename the RFP to ITP again, in some future
[12:53] <ogra> create a snap 😉
[12:54] <tarzeau> i did create some snap, and some appimage. i find freebsd ports , brew and deb creation easier
[12:54] <tarzeau> but you can create a snap if you find that easier/better
[12:55] <ogra> i got enugh snaps in the store, thanks 🙂
[12:56] <jelly> os-prober (update-grub) on focal cannot find other Linux installations if their / fs are LUKS encrypted.  It works if I intentionally cryptsetup luksOpen... the relevant LVM PV.  Is this expected?
[12:56] <tarzeau> can i view them in a list?
[12:56] <tarzeau> is that mostly upstream!=snap or upstream==snap ?
[12:56] <ogra> (and it is beyond me how anyone can find deb creation easier than snap creation ... but i'm only in the deb business since 25y ... perhaps i'm too old)
[12:56] <jelly> the other Linux /boot is NOT encrypted
[12:57] <tarzeau> ogra: not a big difference, 20 years here +-, git2deb, dh_make, debuild and repeat until perfect? :)
[12:58] <tarzeau> ogra: i have the exact same thought the other way around. but this is fine.
[12:58] <ogra> indeed
[12:58] <tarzeau> having also done solaris pkg (that was painful), i might give snap creation another try
[12:59] <tarzeau> oh and rpm spec files, that was painful too
[12:59] <ogra> yeah rpm haunts you at night once you start with it ... 🙂
[12:59] <tarzeau> ogra: does snap has a solution to snappify fonts? with equivs i was able to quickly create: http://sid.ethz.ch/fonts/deb/
[13:00] <ogra> anyway we're OT ...
[13:00] <ogra> you'd have to get them included in one of the desktop extensions (shared libs, themes and such)
[13:01] <ogra> you *could* create a standalone content snap for them but would have to also give developer instrutions for people wanting to use them
[13:03] <tarzeau> so they'd not be automatically available to all users on the system?
[13:03] <tarzeau> btw that reminds me of asking. does snap have a user mode, as in unpriviledged users can install/remove/update snaps?
[13:04] <tarzeau> like i'm only a user on a system...
[13:04] <ogra> if they are a content snap they'd be available for consumption by any other snap ... for non-snap you'd indeed have to adjust the font paths to look in the snap dir
[13:06] <ogra> snapd has a different concept ... there is one "owner" of the system (i.e. the admin) ... if you do a "snap login" from a machine you can call all snap commands wihout sudo ...
[13:06] <tarzeau> thanks for the clarification
[14:09] <parlos> Good Morning, I've got a USB hub with +2 USB-2-serial adapters. The first plugged in is detected, and named ttyUSB0, subsequent, ttyUSBx. I can read/write ttyUSB0 (minicom), but ttyUSBx I can only read. It seems that my keypresses (minicom) are not sent. Its the same rights on all ttyUSB*. Any idea, what Im missing.
[14:10] <jhutchins> parlos: minicom has some serious problems autodetecting devices.
[14:10] <jhutchins> parlos: I assume you've tested the other devices as the only/first one plugged in?
[14:11] <jhutchins> parlos: What are you using the serial devices for?
[14:12] <parlos> My test sequence was, test on laptop (minicom, on mac (sorry)). Worked, disconnect and attach to USB hub. Detected (syslog). Started minicom. No response.
[14:13] <parlos> Restarted device (while minicom connected), output from device as expected. But at the end (login promt), no reaction to keypresses..
[14:14] <parlos> The idea was to use the serial port as a fall-back, as Im connecting to switches.. and have a problem with the net config, and your ssh is gone.
[14:14] <jhutchins> parlos: It's been a long time since I worked with serial devices, minicom is just not suited to a multi-port environment.  I don't know what other options are available.
[14:15] <parlos> I've used minicom since 2008, with multi-ports, no problem.  Dont think its a minicom issue.
[14:15] <jhutchins> parlos: I'm pretty sure there are other options for serial com on a Mac, we used them for dial-up.
[14:16] <oerheks> parlos, is that hub selfpowered?
[14:16] <parlos> No, its powerd.
[14:16] <oerheks> ok
[14:16] <parlos> I've tested 3 different hubs.
[14:16] <parlos> Last hub worked in site 1, with minicom and 7 ports.
[14:17] <parlos> This is from a ubuntu 22.04 lts server.
[14:41] <jhutchins> parlos: Running on a Mac?  (You said it was a Mac.)
[14:42] <parlos> jhutchins: I used my laptop (mac) to verify that the other side of the serial port was alive. Then I moved the cable from laptop, to usb hub.
[14:50] <Vercas> How can I debug what goes on in an initramfs? I have a machine where I'm trying to make Ubuntu let me decrypt its disks over the network using Dropbear.
[14:50] <Vercas> It's a bit special.
[14:50] <Vercas> I've got many machines where I do just this and it works fine.
[14:51] <Vercas> But this machine in particular is running a custom-ish Ubuntu-based distro. Not sure what about it is set up differently/wrongly that makes it fail to do networking in the initramfs.
[14:52] <oerheks> ' custom-ish Ubuntu-based distro'   worries me
[14:52] <oerheks> see topic
[14:52] <Vercas> It's Ubuntu Asahi.
[14:53] <Vercas> My IRC client won't display the full topic... not sure how to convince it to show it all. 🤦
[14:53] <oerheks> any client show that.
[14:54] <ogra> Vercas, perhaps try #ubunu-devel
[14:54] <oerheks> maybe # asahi is their support channel? not here, we have no clue about those scripts
[14:54] <Vercas> Well, The Lounge seems to be special. Or I'm the special one, heh.
[14:54] <oerheks> https://www.ubuntuasahi.org/
[14:54] <Vercas> Ubuntu Asahi is made by one guy on GitHub, it's not part of the Asahi effort.
[14:54] <Vercas> ogra, I'll try, thank you.
[14:54] <oerheks> oh, they give support in #ubuntu-asahi channel of OFTC.
[14:54] <ogra> i'm sure ubuntu will eventually merg the asahi bits so it isnt too far off from "being a supported part" ... but likel not for #ubuntu yet
[14:55] <Vercas> Huh. Well, wish me luck there. I already tried getting help on GitHub and got nothing.
[14:55] <ogra> *merge
[14:55] <Vercas> It would be wonderful if Ubuntu would support Apple Silicon devices officially. :)
[14:55] <ogra> yes, many devs use them already ... but mainly with multipass for ubuntu stuff
[14:55] <oerheks> if there would be a large userbase, it could speed up
[14:56] <ogra> the M2 is an awesome beast
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> think kernel 6.x will be supporting m1 on ubuntu?
[14:58] <ogra> likely, but thats not enugh
[14:58] <ogra> you want all the userspace bits too ... OpenGL/Vulkan/Mesa etc etc
[14:58] <Vercas> lotuspsychje, Ubuntu would need a special installer, like Asahi's.
[14:58] <ogra> audio, power mgmt
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> yeah asahi is working hard on those
[14:59] <Vercas> It needs to do things like extracting specific firmware blobs from macOS and making them available to the Linux install.
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> maybe its an idea to try ubuntu 23.10 on your machine Vercas just to see
[15:00] <Vercas> You mean Ubuntu Asahi based on 23.10?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> no
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !23.10
[15:01] <Vercas> How will this help with my situation, though?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> linux-image-generic (6.2.0.21.21, mantic
[15:01] <Vercas> As I said, I have _many_ machines which are decrypted via Dropbear in the initramfs. It works just fine.
[15:01] <Vercas> Something's wrong with the way Ubuntu Asahi is set up and I am trying to figure out exactly what's wrong with it.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> Vercas: well this channel can only support the ubuntu side of things
[15:02] <Vercas> I get that. My question was "how do I figure out what goes on in the initramfs?""
[15:02] <Vercas> s/""/"
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> ogra and oerheks already pointed you to the right direction Vercas
[15:03] <leftyfb> Vercas: you really need to seek support from "Ubuntu Asahi"
[15:03] <Vercas> I get that, yes.
[15:03] <Vercas> I'll bother them about this.
[15:05] <orbitoo> in ubuntu, using apt, is there a way to instruct it to try different mirrors instead of failing out, if one mirror is unresponsive?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> sudo apt update orbitoo
[15:06] <leftyfb> orbitoo: use archive.ubuntu.com. That should select the most appropriate mirror to you
[15:08] <orbitoo> leftyfb: it appears that's what it does, just sometimes the mirror it selects is unresponsive.   This is ocuring during the build of an ubuntu based docker image, sometimes the build process (which takes half an hour) fails because a mirror fails.   It's not critical, just... annoying
[15:09] <orbitoo> happens like, 1 out of every 8 or 10 launches.
[15:09] <leftyfb> we get the same thing in our CI as well
[15:09] <orbitoo> so if there's no good fix, then no big loss.  we stay on top of it
[16:07] <esv> hey, I am trying to upgrade the kernel on an 18.04 from 5.4.0-1077 (azure) to the latest but only find 1080, is there anything I can check?
[16:07] <esv> apt-mark showhold does not list anything.
[16:07] <oerheks> 18.04 is EOl
[16:08] <oerheks> unless you have ESM/pro.. then you would get kernel updates
[16:12] <esv> can they do a distro upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 then 22 or are they SOL unless they get Pro support?
[16:15] <leftyfb> !eolupgrade | esv
[16:16] <Selu> Hola
[16:21] <Selu> .
[16:23] <leftyfb> !support | Selu
[18:08] <augusto> |list
[18:08] <augusto> !lista
[18:41] <ksawkx> .
[18:41] <leftyfb> !support | ksawkx
[19:01] <Guest65> hello
[19:01] <Guest65> where the network config are saved?
[19:02] <leftyfb> Guest65: you're going to have to be more specific. What release of ubuntu are you running? Desktop or server? If desktop, which DE?
[19:03] <Guest65> desktop
[19:03] <Guest65> i have set up vlans but i, where is the config for it saved?
[19:04] <leftyfb> Guest65: ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:05] <Guest65> uu 22.04
[19:06] <leftyfb> Guest65: the command should give you a URL as a result. Please post the URL here
[19:07] <Guest65> ?? it contains no more information, but okay: https://termbin.com/6u3h
[19:08] <leftyfb> Guest65: it does, you're running LXDE. I don't know for sure if that runs network manager. You can try asking in #lubuntu
[19:09] <Guest65> it uses NM
[19:09] <leftyfb> Guest65: if you are running network manager, the profiles are in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections. But you should not mess with the files directly. You can try using nmcli or nmtui to manage from a command line if for some reason the GUI doesn't do what you want
[19:10] <Guest65> it contains only my Wifi APs
[19:11] <Guest65> not my vlan configuration
[19:12] <leftyfb> Guest65: VLANs are attributes of network profiles. Not separate configs. How did you create your "vlan configuration" exactly?
[19:13] <Guest65> but i can use "ifconfig -a | grep enp" to list my enp1s0f0 vlans
[19:15] <leftyfb> Guest65: first, ifconfigifupdown is deprecated. Stop using it. Use "ip". Second, your command just lists interfaces and will show vlans as part of those. It does not set anything, and even if it did, it's only temporary and not a saved config. Do not use ifconfig or ip in this case, use network manager. Or if you insist on the command line, use nmcli or nmtui
[19:15] <Guest65> with 'ip addr add 192.168.1.4/24 dev enp1s0f0.5' i have added a vlan for example
[19:16] <leftyfb> no, you added an ip address to an interface
[19:16] <leftyfb> and again, it's only temporary. It does not get saved across reboots or interface status changes
[19:17] <leftyfb> Guest65: what are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[19:17] <Guest65> how can i add vlan to an interface?
[19:19] <leftyfb> Guest65: what you're looking for is called is a vlan tag. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/networking_guide/sec-configure_802_1q_vlan_tagging_using_a_gui
[19:20] <leftyfb> by default, the default NM GUI doesn't allow for it. You can use the documented nm-connection-editor or nmcli https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/networking_guide/sec-configure_802_1q_vlan_tagging_using_the_command_line_tool_nmcli
[19:34] <Guest65> and what makes if i create for example enp1s0f0.22 network?
[19:35] <leftyfb> Guest65: huH?
[19:38] <oerheks> netplan ..
[19:38] <Guest65> works the another interface not?
[19:38] <leftyfb> oerheks: netplan is not in use when NM is in use
[19:39] <leftyfb> Guest65: can you please clarify what you are asking at this point?
[19:39] <leftyfb> nm-connection-editor should allow you to add a vlan tag id to an interace
[19:40] <leftyfb> or nmcli
[19:46] <Guest65> how can i delete enp1s0f0.5 and enp1s0f0.5.22 interfaces?
[19:46] <leftyfb> Guest65: how did you create them?
[19:46] <Guest65> *enp1s0f0.22
[19:47] <Guest65> with 'sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.3/24 dev enp1s0f0.22' for example
[19:47] <leftyfb> Guest65: reboot
[19:47] <Guest65> really? no another solution?
[19:48] <sarnold> ip link delete?
[19:48] <Guest65> good idea :D
[19:49] <Guest65> thanks
[19:49] <oerheks> first make sure that interface is down
[19:50] <Guest65> sure, interfaces was never up
[19:54] <Guest65> that was only multiple adresses at the same interface?
[20:00] <lucas_> hi
[21:17] <Hendrikus> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz (2,30GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15,1 GiB Total (11,7 GiB Free) Swap: 957,0 MiB Total (957,0 MiB Free) • Storage: 1,1 TB / 1,4 TB (367,9 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation CoffeeLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics 630] @ Intel Corporation 8th Gen Core 4-core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers [C
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[21:55] <SnoopJ> Is the Ubuntu manpage for `lintian` messed up? It claims to list the built-in checks, but all I see is `CHECKS COLLECTION @COLLECTION@`
[21:56] <SnoopJ> (this is on 20.04, I didn't check 22.04 yet)
[21:57] <jhutchins> !bugs
[21:57] <jhutchins> SnoopJ: I think that's appropriate to report as a bug.
[22:07] <SnoopJ> oh huh it's even worse in 22.04, the manual refers to the section, but the section isn't present at all
[22:09] <jhutchins> SnoopJ: So nobody proof-read the man pages before packaging.
[22:10] <oerheks> could well be this old bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian/+bug/1758639
[22:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1758639 in lintian (Ubuntu) "package lintian 2.5.22ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: unable to move aside './usr/share/doc/lintian' to install new version: Operation not permitted" [Undecided, New]
[22:10] <SnoopJ> The second bit might be an upstream bug in Debian, I see the bookworm manual also refers to a non-existent section
[22:11] <SnoopJ> yep: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1021649
[22:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1021649 in lintian "lintian.pod: No 'CHECKS' section in man page" [Wishlist, Open]
[22:11] <jhutchins> I've seen packages where the man page was just a stock template with the bare minimum headers.
[22:13] <jhutchins> I think I'd rate that higher than wishlist.  How are you supposed to make it work if the man page isn't there?
[22:14] <SnoopJ> well, lintian "works" without that information if you just run every check, but it's a mild nuisance to have to hunt for the list somewhere else
[22:14] <SnoopJ> if you want to use those options, that is
[22:15] <jhutchins> Does it do any good to report a bug that's actually upstream?
[22:15] <SnoopJ> the section being present but empty in 20.04 miiight be worth reporting
[22:15] <Cougar> I AM Sparticus.
[22:15] <jhutchins> I know some distros it gives the upstream reporting more weight because it comes from the packagers not just random users.
[22:16] <SnoopJ> if only because it might point to some broader issue with documentation if a tool that close to the bedrock is getting garbled in doc
[22:16] <jhutchins> I guess the cool guys never read man pages, they read the code.
[22:16] <SnoopJ> for some value of "cool" :)
[22:19] <Cougar> what network protocal is best used in kvm
[22:19] <Cougar> NAT or otherwise .  thanks.
[22:19] <Cougar> desktop.
[22:20] <Cougar> AND: I am using a vpn, if i change location, will it change config.
[22:21] <Cougar> end
[22:24] <Cougar> Please appreciate my ignorance.
[22:29] <Cougar> The reason i ask is: ubuntu does many things different, and i do not what my build infected with bogus and amplified files that conflict.
[22:29] <sarnold> Cougar: different VPN protocols will cope with location changes differently; I expect wireguard probably survives location changes without trouble, but openvpn doesn't take kindly to even minor hiccoughs
[22:30] <Cougar> ah, there in lies my problem = open vpn.. good call, how can i survive that ?
[22:31] <sarnold> good question. I just deal with restarting my vpn connection periodically :(
[22:32] <Cougar> when kvm is active ?
[22:32] <SnoopJ> For anyone playing along at home, I filed a bug against `lintian` here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian/+bug/2023697
[22:32] <Cougar> virt
[22:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2023697 in lintian (Ubuntu) "manpage refers to but does not include list of checks" [Undecided, New]
[22:34] <Cougar> Interesting, im going to have to investigate, thanks sarnold
[22:34] <Cougar> have a good day folks
[22:34] <Cougar> end
[23:49] <stefan_> Hi, i was wondering, does anybody know how to disable a latpops keyboard on wayland? I used to use xinput on xorg, but can't seem to find a way to do this on wayland. I like ti use an external keyboard when on my laptop.