[02:04] good morning [14:26] so regarding snap: when would you use it over docker or flatpak [14:27] I think he said basicly it depends? [14:27] we are deploying software to k8s or docker swarm at work [14:27] at home I'm using flatpak for a few desktop apps [14:28] I'm not reallying using Ubuntu so I don't understand where snap fits in really [14:30] snaps isnt ubuntu only [14:30] I know, that's why I'm asking [14:31] well, snaps are a distro independent self containing secure packaging system [14:31] so more like an immutable, containerized deb package [14:31] using a similar permission system as IOS for access to any resources or for sharing libs, content etc [14:32] along wih that they come with built in self test mechanisms, config system, backup system etc [14:32] they are transactional, so you can always roll back manaually or automatically to the last knwon good state [14:32] implemented through symlinks? [14:33] they are atomic maning they will only start/run when the full thing has been updated [14:33] lol, no implemented to rolling back the package [14:33] s/t👋hrough [14:33] bah [14:33] silly emoji plugin [14:33] to -> through [14:34] and as i said in the other channel they are 100 tinker proof ... through being suashfs blobs that are gpg signed ... the signature and checksum are permanently verified [14:35] *squashfs [14:36] what you can deliver va snaps is completely unlimited ... we have kernels, bootloaders and whole OS images shipped via snaps [14:37] so yu can definitely not compare flatpak and snap ... [14:37] flatpack does one thing and does hat one thing well ... but it cant do anytng beyond this (delivering desktop apps) [14:39] thank you [14:39] docker is a mess of puzzle pieces thrown together, not particulary secure but it fulfills the purpose for containers ... but again rather single purpose [14:39] yeah, I think if you wanted to share libs through it, that'd be kinda crazy [14:40] i habe no idea how to deploy snaps to kubernetes [14:40] (btw we have a "single node k8s snap" .... https://snapcraft.io/microk8s ...) [14:42] (as well as other k8s bits https://snapcraft.io/search?q=kubernetes ...) [14:43] yes im reading those [14:43] Crin: I think that's just a minikube alternative [14:47] microk8s probabyl is (i don know minikube) ... thinks like https://snapcraft.io/kubernetes-worker and the like are fully fledged kubernetes though ... you can definitely run your whole k8s infra wit canonical maintained snaps [14:48] * ogra notes he needs a new "h" key ... and probably a dyslexia training 🙂 [14:49] we are not using k8s at work honestly im not sure what is used [14:49] I probably should look into it just for fun