[14:48] <Lantizia|Work> Hi.  I've been a GNOME 2 refugee ever since GNOME 3 came out and I hated it.
[14:49] <Lantizia|Work> I did use XFCE a little bit at the time (over 10 years ago) but felt it was a little incomplete.  That may have changed and I'm definitely going to look at it again.
[14:49] <Lantizia|Work> But effectively this whole time I've been a MATE user.  Which is fine, and they're trying to modernise things... but some bugs just get too annoying and you're just told they're hangovers from old GNOME 2 code.
[14:50] <Lantizia|Work> So I'm looking for something as customisable/flexible as GNOME 2... but built with a GNOME 3 base.
[14:50] <Lantizia|Work> (i.e. more than GTK+3... something that borrows as much from GNOME 3 as it can)
[14:50] <Lantizia|Work> Is that Budgie?  Cinnamon?  something else?
[14:51] <Lantizia|Work> I like my panels... I like arranging applets on them myself... I like drawers... I like tray icons and notification area icons... I like window titles that are ACTUALLY on a window :P
[14:51] <Lantizia|Work> the usual boring stuff
[15:47] <fossfreedom_> Budgie will do all of that. Best download the iso of  the version you want, write to usb and boot to a live session and have a look around.
[16:01] <Lantizia|Work> Well at the moment I'm on the Budgie matrix and an admin is basically admitting they don't understand the freedesktop.org menu-spec
[16:01] <Lantizia|Work> So it's not a good sign :P
[16:02] <Lantizia|Work> I'm going to have to say.  No, Budgie is written by people who like things looking pretty, but not conforming or making use of proper standards!