[14:48] Hi. I've been a GNOME 2 refugee ever since GNOME 3 came out and I hated it. [14:49] I did use XFCE a little bit at the time (over 10 years ago) but felt it was a little incomplete. That may have changed and I'm definitely going to look at it again. [14:49] But effectively this whole time I've been a MATE user. Which is fine, and they're trying to modernise things... but some bugs just get too annoying and you're just told they're hangovers from old GNOME 2 code. [14:50] So I'm looking for something as customisable/flexible as GNOME 2... but built with a GNOME 3 base. [14:50] (i.e. more than GTK+3... something that borrows as much from GNOME 3 as it can) [14:50] Is that Budgie? Cinnamon? something else? [14:51] I like my panels... I like arranging applets on them myself... I like drawers... I like tray icons and notification area icons... I like window titles that are ACTUALLY on a window :P [14:51] the usual boring stuff [15:47] Budgie will do all of that. Best download the iso of the version you want, write to usb and boot to a live session and have a look around. [16:01] Well at the moment I'm on the Budgie matrix and an admin is basically admitting they don't understand the freedesktop.org menu-spec [16:01] So it's not a good sign :P [16:02] I'm going to have to say. No, Budgie is written by people who like things looking pretty, but not conforming or making use of proper standards!