[00:35] <joegiampaoli> Hi everyone. This is my first installation in UEFI mode. I am dual booting normal ubuntu with ubuntu studio, I want to reinstall ubuntu studio but it will overwrite the uefi bootloader I guess grub, I want to know how to reinstall grub from normal installation or create backup before reinstalling ubuntu studio
[00:35] <joegiampaoli> The point is that I don't want the Ubuntu Studio grub at bootup, thanks...
[02:52] <sohai> hi
[02:53] <sohai> newbies here
[03:02] <elgrifo> ubuntu
[03:02] <elgrifo> kubuntu
[03:02] <elgrifo> lubuntu
[03:02] <elgrifo> xubuntu
[03:02] <elgrifo> manbun2
[03:04] <elgrifo> buntu
[03:05] <elgrifo> boontoo
[03:06] <elgrifo> you mean to tell me that a channel with 1108 users has no life in it?
[03:06] <elgrifo> what do you like about ubuntu?
[03:07] <elgrifo> i like that it is user friendly
[03:07] <toddc> elgrifo:  | help!
[03:07] <elgrifo> todd
[03:07] <elgrifo> wassup
[03:08] <toddc> this a support channel please ask a support question also #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:09] <elgrifo> oh
[03:09] <Eickmeyer> !support
[03:09] <elgrifo> i thought this is where we trade ubuntu knowledge
[03:09] <Eickmeyer> Then you didn't see the topic.
[03:10] <elgrifo> i really didn't my bad
[03:25] <lubuntu> lubuntu install fails.  Help please
[03:30] <elgrifo> where does it fail?
[03:31] <elgrifo> are you using a disc or USB?
[04:11] <kylek> hi
[05:51] <kewq__> I have issues getting flatpak to work through the Ubuntu Software app (though I can install flatpaks through terminal commands). Any idea how to fix below error?: https://pastebin.com/31cTe9Tb
[06:06] <maxxtang_> I've installed ubuntu server on my desktop sucessfully.
[06:07] <maxxtang_> Now I'm facing issue in connecting to wifi using terminal, does anyone have resources for it?
[06:51] <ztane> how bad does this snap firefox go!?
[06:51] <ztane> it is impossible to open new links in existing windows now
[06:52] <ztane> for example slack snap app opens links using "builtin browser" for many functionalities. since I use firefox as my browser, I am unable to launch any of these unless I kill firefox first
[06:54] <ztane> ok, it seems I am now unable to open an application too.
[06:54] <ztane> hence I can no longer add new workspaces into slack client because firefox cannot launch slack.
[06:54] <weedmic> ztane: the only issue I had with snap firefox is that it does not allow you to install security modules - which for me is very very bad b/c firefox is the only browser that allows it and we use security keys to login to to things.  but, you can always remove it and install full firefox.
[06:55] <weedmic> fyi, you can list all the snap apps with "snap list"
[06:55] <ztane> well, 1password integration does not work either... time to go for deb :facepalm*
[06:56] <weedmic> i undestand the reasoning.  if snap app just works, you can eliminate tweaking an app to work with your distro.  however, it can affect some.
[06:56] <ztane> weedmic: it's gotten gradually worse over time. It's stopped opening links from e.g. command line "firefox http://foo" like this month or so. Always delays 30 seconds says "firefox is already open"
[06:57] <weedmic> that sounds like you may have a cache issue - not within firefox, but your system is not clearing cache.  you can do manually and it may very well disappear.
[07:09] <ztane> weedmic: well my saved passwords were not migrated to snap, and I needed to do that manually too, so I'd say the snap migration was absolutely nightmare to everyone *already* using ubuntu
[07:59] <kewq> is there any kind of performance settings relevant to flatpak/snaps? I recently switched from Fedora/Flatpak to Ubuntu and was surprised to see a lot of dropped frames on youtube with either flatpak/snaps unless I installed directly with apt which solved the problem. (same video/1080p)
[08:09] <Your_Dog> kewq: you need to be more detailed than that, like what browser you are using
[08:11] <kewq> I compared using the Brave Browser
[08:22] <ogra> kewq, most likely there are (video decoding) libs missing in the snap you used ... or there might be a bug in the opengl interface of snapd that does not make your existing libs available to the app ... you should open a post on forum.snapcraft.io with some logs and info about your system
[08:24] <ogra> there is a fully HW accelerated build of chromium for intel systems hat you could try out to compare ... https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/chromium-hardware-accelerated-build-for-intel-based-platforms-available-for-beta-testing/35625
[08:25] <ogra> (only if you use intel graphics HW indeed)
[08:31] <kewq> I am using integrated intel graphics, yes. I will keep on using Brave without flatpak/snaps for now since that solves my problem (almost getting 0 dropped frames on Power Saver mode!), but I was just curious if there was any obvious setting that could play a role in the performance difference I observed.
[08:44] <kewq> ogra: I tried the chrome hwaccbranch and compared it to brave, looking at the sudo intel_gpu_top command (intel-gpu-tools). Render/3D has 10-25% usage on Brave and 40%+ on chrome/hwacc.
[08:53] <ogra> kewq, yeah, thats the effect ... might be nic to let the brave guys know so they can enhance their package (iirc brave uses the blink engine too)
[09:00] <kewq> I'll use the hwacc snap when viewing videos, thanks for the help!
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[09:40] <PeGaSuS> hello guys! can I set a `locale` per user instead using the global settings? if so, what file should I edit/create? thanks in advance
[09:57] <ogra> PeGaSuS, each user can jus select their language at first login at he GUI, no need to edit files, there is a language selector
[10:04] <PeGaSuS> does ubuntu behaves differently from xubuntu? because although I have the language as en_GB, currency, date, etc, are set to fr_FR.UTF-8
[10:06] <ogra> there are options in the desktop settings for the standard ubuntu desktop where you can set such things
[10:08] <ogra> (under the "region and language" tab of the shipped settings app ... )
[10:13] <PeGaSuS> on Xubuntu I can't separate date messages from the way currency is displayed . regional formats apply to numbers, date and currency.. so, by Xubuntu settings I can't separate them.
[10:14] <PeGaSuS> I suppose I need to add to `~/.profile` the LC vars I want to override
[10:23] <memoreda> Does anyone know which kernel I need to compile or ppa/deb file to get Ubuntu 21.10 (Linux kernel 5.13.0-39-generic)
[10:29] <thrice> memoreda: what do you mean?
[10:30] <ogra> PeGaSuS, that is indeed an option all the time ... (i dont use xcfe so i wouldnt know if there might be some additional tool you could use in the desktop)
[10:30] <jeremy31> memoreda: 21.10 is nolonger supported
[10:31] <memoreda> memoreda i am aware, but i need it to test something
[10:31] <ogra> memoreda, apart from the fact that 21.10 is EOL since quite some time, you might be able to get a hint in #ubuntu-kernel about the sourc it used to use
[10:31] <memoreda> on that specific kern ver
[10:37] <PeGaSuS> ogra: yeah, I think I'll override the `LC_TIME` with en_GB.UTF-8 instead the actual fr_FR.UTF-8. thanks for the help, nonetheless :)
[10:41] <weedmic> memoreda: i believe there is an archive directory, but don't remember where it is - search for ubuntu archive iso
[10:42] <memoreda> weedmic yeah but it needs to be that specific kernel ver
[10:42] <memoreda> i found the 21.10 OS
[10:42] <memoreda> https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/21.10/
[10:43] <thrice> can you just boot the ISO?  https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/21.10/
[10:43] <memoreda> But i dont think it wwill be the right kernel i am after
[10:43] <memoreda> no as it wont have the right kern ver i am after
[10:43] <thrice> can you explain why?  There may be a better way to do it
[10:44] <memoreda> as i am testing something so i need 5.13.0-39-generic
[10:44] <memoreda> kernel ver
[10:52] <thrice> what are you testing?  There might be a better way than compiling such an old kernel
[11:03] <tekisui> hey BhaveshSGupta
[11:05] <Jakov> having c++ application, can not use arrows to get previous commands with ubuntu terminal, how can fix it?
[11:05] <weedmic> memoreda: I seem to remeber it containing all released versions
[11:05] <Jakov> app running with ubuntu terminal*
[11:06] <weedmic> might also look for a docker with the exact version, but... if i don't build the container, i don't use the container.
[11:06] <tekisui> something with binding i guess
[11:07] <tekisui> with ubuntu 22.04 i have the option to select a keyboard on the right/down below corner
[11:19] <vagrant_1> hi
[11:20] <tekisui> hello
[11:27] <Guest81> Hey there!
[11:28] <Guest81> I would love someone to help me
[11:28] <tekisui> hello Guest81
[11:28] <tekisui> welcome
[11:28] <tekisui> what ubuntu version you have ?
[11:29] <Guest81> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[11:30] <tekisui> oh ok seems alright
[11:30] <weedmic> Guest81: state issue
[11:32] <Guest81> I have a Laptop with Ubuntu witch is meant to be used by 4 users. One of this users is administrator. The users that don't have administrator privilegies cannot connect to a new wifi network. Ubuntu ask for an administrator password. I would like to make unnecessary to put the password for connecting to a new wifi.
[11:33] <tekisui> try lan cable if possible
[11:34] <Guest81> This laptop doesn't have an ethernet interface
[11:34] <Guest81> that's the point
[11:34] <tekisui> hmm ok
[11:34] <tekisui> am using thetering myself
[11:34] <tekisui> the smartphone hooked to the pc with an usb cable
[11:34] <tekisui> for acces to wifi you need to be the administrator i guess
[11:35] <vagrant_> hola
[11:35] <vagrant_3> que hay por ahi
[11:35] <Guest81> Oh yeah! You're right!
[11:35] <Guest81> Great idea
[11:38] <vagrant_> ko
[11:39] <weedmic> can't one create a group called wifi, add users to that group, and give that group permissions 7?  Guest81
[11:39] <weedmic> I do something similar for vboxusers
[11:39] <mike> wa
[11:40] <vagrant_> ajijdi
[11:40] <vagrant_> mi
[11:41] <tekisui> hey mike
[11:41] <weedmic> cheers mate
[11:45] <tekisui> cheers
[11:46] <tekisui> am making some earl grey.
[11:49] <ppw> why is it that ever since I enabled video acceleration in browsers, they stop playing when I switch away from them?
[12:00] <tekisui> is ubuntu suport for nvidia always skimmy ?
[12:00] <tekisui> what is the problem between those two systems ?
[12:01] <tekisui> or is it a problem beteen the cpu and gpu ?
[12:01] <tekisui> between*
[12:03] <toddc> tekisui: nvidia is not opensource we cannot control the drivers so somtimes great somtimes not so great
[12:04] <tekisui> ah so
[12:04] <tekisui> merci :)
[12:04] <tekisui> eureka
[12:07] <Bombo> anyone knows whow xdg-desktop-portal works? i could not find any example, what language do i need to use to use that? i just want a simple code to trigger portal then displayx the selected file
[12:19] <Abreen> Hello there
[12:19] <tekisui> hey, most of the IT kids from america are still asleep
[12:19] <tekisui> it´s 8 am in new york
[12:19] <tekisui> goodmorning :)
[12:20] <Abreen> morning! I can try at a later time if that's better
[12:21] <tekisui> there are some people here, maybe we can help
[12:23] <Abreen> it may be a kinda difficult issue, but if that's okay, I'll try to run it down quickly
[12:24] <Abreen> I recently salvaged a slightly older computer with an ubuntu installation on it. I upgraded from it to 20.04, which obviously came with a 5.4-generic kernel. I've been running said kernel for a day or two, and suddenly, starting the machine one moring, I get a kernel panic
[12:25] <Abreen> I haven't really done anything with grub, the initramfs or any modules, so it came as a surprise. however, from then on, whenever I attempt to boot any 5 kernel, it just crashes after the bootloader has done it's job
[12:25] <Abreen> this is also true for mainline kernels I compiled myself
[12:27] <tekisui> hmm i think i would reinstall the whole system
[12:27] <obelixpolskiego> hello
[12:28] <tekisui> hello
[12:29] <mrkubax10> hi
[12:29] <tekisui> weedmic: is more knowledge able then me..
[12:35] <Sagar> Gitesh
[12:47] <ogra> Bombo, the portals are integrated with the toolkits (GTK or Qt) an will operate based on the respective file open dialogs (for GTK there is an env variable that can force the usage IIRC)
[12:48] <ogra> Bombo, the people more knwledgeable about that stuff likely sit in #ubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <weedmic> tekisui: there is a correct way to use nvidia drivers and many ways that don't work so well.  the last several installs it has been very easy to switch over, but you need to do it correctly.    I was goign to post the instructions, but... did not find the ones I liked/followed.
[13:00] <weedmic> abreen - install from scratch - i suggest leap, but many like tumbleweed.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <weedmic> wb kaj
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hey weedmic
[13:05] <olle> libldap2-dev doesn't exist anymore? php-fpm docker image can't find it
[13:08] <weedmic> are you looking for a docker image with "libldap2-dev" or for the actual "libldap2-dev"?  I know nothing about the docker one, but may be able to point to the archive containing the depricated libarary.
[13:09] <olle> weedmic: Hm seems to work after adding apt upgrade -yqq in the dockerfile actually :)
[13:14] <rmattheo> coucou
[13:14] <weedmic> i found the ahncient archive - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[13:14] <weedmic> but has nothing to do with docker
[13:14] <weedmic> couscous yum
[13:16] <rmattheo> PRIVMSG _qw,_rp dfsdfdsf
[13:34] <weedmic> trying to install pe-bear on ubuntu - i did git clone htt...., then went to the folder, typed ./build.sh, yet it returns "line 26: cmake:  command not found"?  i was actually hoping to do ./configure make make install and then
[13:39] <weedmic> cmake is apparently an app - installing it now (unsure what was wrong with make)
[14:19] <xgpt> hey! just curious, was looking through the RHEL source debacle, and was wondering, *where* does ubuntu host it
[14:19] <xgpt> it's public sources?
[14:20] <xgpt> is it still launchpad based? or has it moved onto github/gitlab or some other self hosted thing? I was looking at pagure and was actually liking that it's all based on git repos! no database woes for like...issues/comments. Not sure if that scales up huge but I think I like it for a small project I'm tinkering with
[14:30] <oerheks> xgpt, https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ and more https://github.com/canonical
[14:37] <thrice> regarding scale, doesn't fedora use pagure?
[14:37] <nteodosio> xgpt, you need to account for the difference of hosting vcs or just the package source. Debs are still built on Launchpad and their sources are available there (e.g. Hexchat source for Focal is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/2.14.3-3ubuntu0.20.04.2). Some of them have a vcs hosted there too, but that isn't mandatory.
[14:38] <nteodosio> For snaps that's a whole different story though.
[15:18] <wontfix[m]> What is the file size limitation on disk before a package is broken into multiple packages for all-arch packages where components only work on certain arch? Is there an official policy somewhere?
[15:20] <oerheks> before a package is broken into multiple packages ??
[15:21] <oerheks> why would that happen? can you give an example?
[15:21] <wontfix[m]> Yes. If files [1,2,3,4] only work on arch [a,b,c,d], what is the size N?
[15:22] <wontfix[m]> There are tons of examples from firmware packages to audio configuration. I'm asking if there is a policy or if it could theoretically reach gigabytes or terabytes.
[15:23] <oerheks> no, i find no examples of package into multipkle packages.
[15:23] <oerheks> how is this related to ubuntu?
[15:23] <wontfix[m]> So all all-arch packages have always existed as all-arch and always will, irrespective of size?
[15:24] <wontfix[m]> I was just asking if there was a general policy, under, Ubuntu.
[15:25] <ogra> it is a matter of the content, not the size
[15:26] <ogra> if the content is actually architecture specific ... i.e. compiled for a certain arch, liked against anything arch specific, it will be "architecture:any" ... if the content is not specific to any architecture it will be arch all
[15:27] <wontfix[m]> Wonderful. Some packages have increased in size year on year by 32.4% or larger and have no been split up, despite most, if not every component, only being usable on specific arch.
[15:27] <ogra> (well, or instead of "arch:any" it might have a list of arches there)
[15:27] <wontfix[m]> So theoretically all arch > actually working on an arch.
[15:27] <ogra> can you give an example ?
[15:28] <wontfix[m]> Sure. https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/all/alsa-ucm-conf/filelist
[15:28] <wontfix[m]> https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/all/firmware-sof-signed/filelist
[15:28] <wontfix[m]> there are dozens more but
[15:28] <ogra> both ar not arch specific
[15:28] <ogra> and we discussed that before
[15:28] <wontfix[m]> What arch is a Nexus 7?
[15:28] <ogra> for what package now ?
[15:28] <thrice> looks like just a bunch of config (text) files for the first?
[15:29] <ogra> yes
[15:29] <ogra> it is text files for configuration
[15:29] <wontfix[m]> right, there are tons of differing sizes. i gave two different types of examples
[15:29] <ogra> no binaries inside
[15:29] <wontfix[m]> the second is firmware for the DSP IP in SoCs.
[15:29] <ogra> and the latter os for a certain audio chip that might be used anywhere
[15:29] <wontfix[m]> Which grew by 32.4% from 22.04 to 23.04
[15:30] <wontfix[m]> No, it isn't. Why do you keep saying that?
[15:30] <ogra> sure, but te conten is still not architecture secific
[15:30] <thrice> you're misunderstanding what arch means, maybe?
[15:30] <wontfix[m]> NXP iMX8 isn't an audio chip
[15:30] <ogra> SOF is no an NXP chip
[15:30] <thrice> it's not about size, but the package's ability to be the same whether installed on amd64, arm, etc
[15:30] <ogra> and the files in there are firmeare blobs ... not bound to any debian or ubuntu architecture
[15:31] <wontfix[m]> The firmware to interface with the DSP that only exists within that context on an NXP chip which is ARM
[15:31] <ogra> *firmware
[15:31] <wontfix[m]> Other firmware was broken out this way.
[15:31] <ogra> the chip could live in some PCI card ...
[15:31] <ogra> which you could then plug into your powerpc board
[15:31] <wontfix[m]> The iMX8? Read the datasheet
[15:32] <wontfix[m]> They'd use an MCU line
[15:32] <ogra> but since firmaware files are a gray area it is really up to the packager to pick on best guesses for this
[15:32] <ogra> anyway, this is as offtopic for this channel as it can get
[15:32] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf grew by 32.4% ?
[15:32] <oerheks> no.
[15:32] <ogra> if you want to discuss packaging changes please go to #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <thrice> it can become annoying to split firmware up TOO much, too
[15:32] <wontfix[m]> NO oer, the firmware
[15:34] <tekisui_> hello
[15:34] <tekisui_> if i remove the nvidia driver will not the system go blank when i reboot ?
[15:34] <ogra> it should fall back to the nouveau driver
[15:34] <ogra> (which might work well or not with your card ... )
[15:34] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/firmware-sof-signed 800.8 kB	
[15:34] <tekisui_> ahh ok
[15:35] <tekisui_> xorg i guess
[15:35] <wontfix[m]> on disk
[15:35] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/firmware-sof-signed 635.8 kB
[15:35] <ogra> please stop .. please go to #ubuntu-devel to discuss packaging
[15:35] <oerheks> it got not larger at all..
[15:36] <tekisui_> .ping
[15:39] <noobie519> Hi all I screwed up and my /dev/sda1 is at 100% and I can't write a single file - not even enough to complete the extend partition command!  because it needs to make some temporary files!
[15:40] <noobie519> What can I delete temporarily to clean out some kind of space ?  I have literally no additional files downloaded - somehow the installation is so bloated its consuming 12gb of space - my entire original VM
[15:40] <ogra> sudo apt clean
[15:40] <ogra> start with that to clean old packages lying on your disk
[15:40] <noobie519> Did it - only cleared 1% and then that was taken up by having to install cloud-guest-utils for the growpart command
[15:40] <noobie519> All I'm trying to do is run growpart /dev/sda 1
[15:41] <noobie519> But it says insufficient space to create it's tmp files
[15:41] <noobie519> is there some kind of huge app that comes with Ubuntu desktop I can temporarily uninstall?  A graphic editor or something bloated maybe ?
[15:42] <tekisui_> cleaning cache from webbrowser ?
[15:42] <thrice> do you have libreoffice or something?
[15:42] <ogra> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* (this holds all package caches for apt, so make damn sure to run "sudo apt update" after you are dont to regenerate them)
[15:42] <ogra> and yeah, browser caches ... trach folders etc
[15:42] <oerheks> 12 gb vm is a bit small, i would start all over
[15:42] <ogra> *trash
[15:43] <thrice> dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n
[15:43] <tekisui_> try lubuntu it maybe smaller
[15:43] <ogra> thrice, i'd not randmly delete packages by size 🙂 hat might end up in a disaster 🙂
[15:44] <ogra> (depending on how well versed you are to get yourself out of that)
[15:44] <thrice> well, I'd hope you filter the list and carefully choose, but sure :>
[15:44] <ogra> there is usually enough data you can delete first before moving to that
[15:44] <ogra> but yeah, it is a last resort
[15:44] <noobie519> Hyper-V created it at 12gb for some reason!  I didn't realize the 2gb ubuntu image turned into 12gb afterwards, and then I have no problem expanding the partition in Hyper-V but now I need Ubuntu to extend it
[15:44] <noobie519> I thought maybe like is GIMP on here or something I can uninstall
[15:45] <tekisui_> a tor browser is about 650 mb
[15:45] <tekisui_> maybe there are smaller browsers to find
[15:45] <ogra> a tor browsers cahce might be in the 100s of GB though 🙂
[15:45] <noobie519> It's a brand new install
[15:45] <noobie519> There is no Tor browser, and no cache to clear
[15:45] <tekisui_> ok
[15:46] <tekisui_> in theory you can run an os on an usb stick
[15:46] <ogra> yu dont need growpart btw ... it just acts as frontend to other tools
[15:46] <ogra> (parted i think ... )
[15:46] <ogra> you should be able to do all the steps manually ...
[15:47] <oerheks> i have no clue about hyper-v issues
[15:47] <ogra> i.e. use sfdisk, prated or some such to resize the partition ... then resize2fs to resize the filesystem on it
[15:47] <ogra> *parted
[16:00] <noobie519> unable to fill /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i with padding: No space left on device
[16:00] <noobie519> I can't even apt remove an app because it needs to write to remove
[16:00] <noobie519> what in sweet holy hell
[16:00] <noobie519> linux LOL..  what on earth
[16:01] <ioria> dpkg -P does not need to write iirc
[16:04] <ogra> noobie519, use my command from above to wipe the apt lists ...
[16:04] <ogra> that should free up a few 100MB
[16:04] <tekisui_> seems xorg can hold larger resolution now
[16:04] <tekisui_> perhaps i can fix tearfree
[16:04] <ogra> (you wont be able to install anyting until you re-run apt update)
[16:08] <mbeierl> did we go through just some of the basics like output of 'df -h /' and using du to find what directories are likely culprits for cleanup?
[16:09] <ogra> nope ...
[16:10] <tekisui_> i guess you could delete all the ¨office stuff¨
[16:11] <tekisui_> ubuntu cloud is no more i think
[16:11] <tekisui_> they have systems now you can run from a cloud
[16:12] <mbeierl> noobie519, let's check what the disk usage actually is.  Can you provide the output of `df -h /`?
[16:14] <noobie519> I'll try that line above now, sure
[16:14] <noobie519> sorry I am a novice user
[16:15] <mbeierl> it should show how much space is used on the filesystem mounted as '/'
[16:16] <noobie519> https://pastebin.com/UM2fVhWw
[16:16] <noobie519> that's all it shows, one entry
[16:16] <noobie519> the machine is totally at a standstill i can't really launch anything not even a web browser
[16:17] <noobie519> it somehow filled itself up every last little bit to the point i can't even apt remove a package
[16:17] <mbeierl> ok, that confirms that there is only 1 partition, and that it is indeed filled.  Now the next command is going to narrow down the directories / areas that we need to focus on
[16:17] <leftyfb> noobie519: shut down the VM, resize the VM (12GB is not enough space), boot the VM with an Ubuntu live iso and use the tools suggested above to resize the partition and filesystem
[16:17] <mbeierl> pastebin the output of "du --max-depth=1 -h /"
[16:18] <ogra> leftyfb, ++
[16:19] <noobie519> the VM has been resized to 32gb in Hyper-V control panel with no issues but now I need to issue the command to extend it to use the free space
[16:19] <ogra> also .. given you already spent more han 30min on this ... hy not wipe the VM and start with a fres one ... you said it is a brandnew install ... re-installing surely takes less than the 30min you already spent
[16:19] <noobie519> I was just trying to learn rather than quit, that's all
[16:19] <ogra> ah, kay
[16:19] <noobie519> But I can and likely will
[16:19] <ogra> well, keep tinkering, it is surely a good exercise (for all of us 🙂 )
[16:20] <noobie519> mbeierl, https://pastebin.com/ZFigExdF
[16:20] <ogra> i thought you ad some work to do ... then i'D simply re-install ... for academic purposes keeping going is surely fine 🙂
[16:21] <noobie519> It's way easier for me to do that for sure, I haven't done a whole lot on the installation other than log in to my VPN accounts and stuff like that , just annoying to have to re-do it and i find it delightfully hilarious that you can't delete packages without writing extra space first, i find it so strange this is a feature of linux
[16:21] <leftyfb> noobie519: sudo growpart /dev/sda 1 && sudo resize2fs /dev/sda1
[16:22] <noobie519> leftyfb, it won't run - not enough space
[16:22] <noobie519> I tried growpart already, it needs space to write tmp files
[16:22] <leftyfb> noobie519: did you delete the apt lists like ogra suggested?
[16:22] <noobie519> I think I only cleared the apt cache, I will try that apt list now thank you
[16:23] <leftyfb> noobie519: you REALLY should be doing all this booted to a usb/iso. Your active OS is constantly writing files
[16:23] <noobie519> OK that gave me 3% space, it now says 97%
[16:23] <noobie519> lets see
[16:23] <ogra> yay
[16:24] <noobie519> Thanks friends, it worked
[16:25] <noobie519> it is complete :sweat_smile:
[16:25] <leftyfb> noobie519: if this is a desktop environment, I don't even think 32 is going to be enough
[16:25] <noobie519> really appreciate your help
[16:25] <noobie519> What do you suggest?  I have more space
[17:00] <theorem> is looks like gdm crashed, and 'login' - the process is hung somehow.  I can type thigns on screen, but 'login' is holding onto my terminal and not allowing me to switch to another terminal ( ctrl+ F# )
[17:00] <theorem> it also does not appear to be listening to STDIN
[17:01] <theorem> how can I get a bug-report of this , and where do I send it ?  I can probably force a core dump on the process.
[17:01] <theorem> alternately -- is there a way to force 'login' to give me back the terminal ?  I am connected to the machine of over SSH and things seem fine otherwise.
[17:02] <theorem> Ctrl+D and Ctrl+C are not doing anything.
[17:07] <oerheks> maybe force the machine into reboot over ssh?
[17:07] <theorem> yes, that's the easy way out
[17:08] <theorem> I shouldn;t have to rebootthough, I should be able to get 'login' to get back to work.
[17:09] <theorem> that is .. unless something else has control over my terminal at the moment
[17:09] <theorem> I believe I am in a tty
[17:10] <theorem> giving up -- lost the ssh terminal now ...
[17:10] <theorem> rebooting.
[17:10] <oerheks> mybe updates pending..
[17:19] <FKAShinobi> Is the network stack of 22.04 the same as Debian 12?
[17:20] <ravage> the network stack is part of the kernel
[17:28] <frenchboy[m]> FKAShinobi: yes
[17:57] <tekisui> hey moffa
[17:59] <cornfeedhobo> is there a handy command, other than do-release-upgrade, that will change repos to a specific release?
[18:00] <oerheks> cornfeedhobo,  no
[18:01] <ravage> sed :D
[18:01] <oerheks> all you need is do-release-upgrade to go from lts to lts, or to next version.
[18:01] <oerheks> ravage, yeah but why?
[18:01] <ravage> but thats really not the way to do it at all
[18:01] <ravage> dont know
[18:02] <oerheks> next ~
[18:07] <cornfeedhobo> lol. "next". are you a 16 year old highschool girl? this is the kind of professionalism I expect from an ubuntu member. solid.
[18:08] <cornfeedhobo> thanks for nothing, as usual
[18:08] <tekisui> ayo
[18:09] <tekisui> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raND-7ODiNo
[18:13] <oerheks> tekisui, please no youtube urls, thanks
[18:13] <tekisui> okiedokie
[18:33] <spmkde> Anyone around here familiar with mod_jk?
[19:20] <bm> How to check the true current DNS resolver on a modern Ubuntu system?
[19:22] <ravage> resolvectl
[19:54] <teste> .
[20:12] <nicecoffee> Hello, I have 50 gigs on my root drive, which ought to be plenty, only it is not. I just ran out of space. I suspect it is the CUDA drivers that ate all the space. I tried to remove/purge CUDA drivers, but there is no space. Is there any way I can free up space. I tried to remove a few programs, but there is no space to even do that.
[20:13] <tekisui> try cleaning the cache of the web-browser ?
[20:13] <nicecoffee> Not enough
[20:13] <tekisui> ok..
[20:14] <tekisui> you can save a few files to the cloud/usb you can miss
[20:14] <tekisui> dropbox has a solid cloud system
[20:14] <nicecoffee> I don't use dropbox
[20:14] <tekisui> ok..
[20:15] <nicecoffee> So a reinstall, I guess
[20:15] <tekisui> umm mostly does the trick
[20:15] <nicecoffee> I thought there was a way to remove stuff
[20:15] <nicecoffee> this sucks
[20:15] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: step #1 find out what's using the most space
[20:15] <nicecoffee> leftyfb I think I mentioned why
[20:15] <leftyfb> CUDA is not using 50GB
[20:16] <leftyfb> nor 10GB
[20:16] <nicecoffee> okay
[20:16] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: sudo du -sh $HOME
[20:16] <leftyfb> start with that
[20:16] <nicecoffee> 19M
[20:16] <leftyfb> that'll tell you how big your home directory is which is more than likely using the most space
[20:16] <leftyfb> or not
[20:17] <leftyfb> sudo du -sh /*
[20:17] <leftyfb> sudo du -sh /* 2>/dev/null
[20:18] <leftyfb> if you want it sorted;  sudo du -sh /* 2>/dev/null|sort -hr
[20:19] <nicecoffee> leftyfb It's responding kinda slow
[20:19] <leftyfb> yep, it will
[20:20] <nicecoffee> https://pastebin.com/cGWE4FR9
[20:20] <bm> nicecoffee: install QDirStat. You'll thank me later.
[20:20] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: ok, looks like you have a separate partition for /home?
[20:21] <nicecoffee> bm cannot install anything at the moment, now I need to  P U R G E
[20:21] <nicecoffee> leftyfb eyeah....
[20:21] <bm> swapoff -a, remove swapfile, then install qdirstat
[20:22] <nicecoffee> bm how do I purge CUDA or OAD and get some freakin' space back...?
[20:22] <leftyfb> you have 19G of snaps, 10G in /opt and your /usr and /var also seem a bit big
[20:22] <bm> Unless you're also running on like 512 MB RAM, then LOL
[20:22] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: step #2 clean up enough space so you can actually remove things
[20:22] <nicecoffee> leftyfb Yeah, SNAP sucks, I wanna remove all of it
[20:22] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: it doesn't such, something isn't right or you have way too many things instaled
[20:23] <nicecoffee> Golly, that's why I got here in the first place, to ask how the duck to remove things...
[20:23] <leftyfb> I have 32 snaps installed and only taking up 22G but I have a 2TB drive
[20:23] <nicecoffee> okay
[20:23] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: what about /opt, what do you have in there?
[20:24] <Comnenus> I have a repo that apt is saying is not signed, but I did import the key.  I repeated the steps on a second machine and it works as expected.  Where should I start looking for what is messing this up?
[20:25] <leftyfb> Comnenus: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-22-04-gpg-error-the-following-signatures-couldnt-be-verified
[20:25] <nicecoffee> I got a few things in opt...
[20:25] <nicecoffee> Purge it?
[20:25] <leftyfb> negative
[20:26] <bm> doomp eet
[20:26] <nicecoffee> All good citizens must purge...
[20:27] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: ( sudo du -sh /opt/* ; echo "---" ; sudo du -sh /var/* ; echo "---" ; sudo du -sh /usr/* ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:28] <nicecoffee> https://pastebin.com/7DWLLPTt
[20:29] <leftyfb> "resolve" is taking up 6GB, /var/cache/* can be wiped, that's taking 4GB. And you didn't do /usr
[20:30] <Comnenus> leftyfb: I see the key in apt-key list but apt is still saying the public key is not available and the repo is not signed.  These same instructions worked on a fresh VM, I'm not sure why.
[20:30] <leftyfb> there's also /var/cuda-repo-ubuntu2204-12-1-local taking up 3GB which I'm pretty sure is not it's working directory but I don't know for sure
[20:33] <nicecoffee> remove everything in /var/cache ?
[20:36] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: you could just start with /var/cache/apt
[20:37] <ID-10-T> only 50GB, lesson learned?
[20:38] <nicecoffee> anything else I can purge?
[20:38] <ID-10-T> whatever you think will be worst case sceanario, multiple it by ten ;0
[20:38] <nicecoffee> ID-10-T What is this, Windows?
[20:38] <leftyfb> ID-10-T: please stop
[20:38] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: how much space do you have left? df -h /
[20:39] <ID-10-T> sure, as soon as you start being realistic.
[20:40] <leftyfb> ID-10-T: can we help you with something?
[20:42] <nicecoffee> 903M
[20:42] <leftyfb> that's plenty to do some proper cleanup
[20:43] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: what else did you split off into separate partitions?
[20:43] <leftyfb> there's really very little need to do that these days
[20:43] <nicecoffee> After this operation, 2,100 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[20:43] <nicecoffee> I need more space
[20:43] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: what did you try to run exactly?
[20:44] <nicecoffee> apt --fix-broken install
[20:44] <leftyfb> please pastebin the output
[20:45] <nicecoffee> https://pastebin.com/y1ruRbWs
[20:47] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: sudo apt remove --purge cuda-12-1 cuda-cccl-12-1 cuda-command-line-tools-12-1 cuda-compiler-12-1 cuda-cudart-12-1 cuda-cudart-dev-12-1 cuda-cuobjdump-12-1 cuda-cupti-12-1 cuda-cupti-dev-12-1 cuda-cuxxfilt-12-1 cuda-demo-suite-12-1 cuda-documentation-12-1 cuda-driver-dev-12-1 cuda-gdb-12-1 cuda-libraries-12-1  cuda-libraries-dev-12-1 cuda-nsight-12-1 cuda-nsight-compute-12-1 cuda-nsight-systems-12-1 cuda-nvcc-12-1  cuda-nvdisasm-12-1
[20:47] <leftyfb> cuda-nvml-dev-12-1 cuda-nvprof-12-1 cuda-nvprune-12-1 cuda-nvrtc-12-1 cuda-nvrtc-dev-12-1  cuda-nvtx-12-1 cuda-nvvp-12-1 cuda-opencl-12-1 cuda-opencl-dev-12-1 cuda-profiler-api-12-1 cuda-runtime-12-1  cuda-sanitizer-12-1 cuda-toolkit-12-1 cuda-toolkit-12-1-config-common cuda-tools-12-1 cuda-visual-tools-12-1  gds-tools-12-1 libcublas-12-1 libcublas-dev-12-1 libcufft-12-1 libcufft-dev-12-1 libcufile-12-1  libcufile-dev-12-1 libcurand-12-1
[20:47] <leftyfb> libcurand-dev-12-1 libcusolver-12-1 libcusolver-dev-12-1 libcusparse-12-1  libcusparse-dev-12-1 libnpp-12-1 libnpp-dev-12-1 libnvjitlink-12-1 libnvjitlink-dev-12-1 libnvjpeg-12-1  libnvjpeg-dev-12-1 libnvvm-samples-12-1 linux-headers-5.19.0-43-generic linux-hwe-5.19-headers-5.19.0-43 linux-image-5.19.0-43-generic linux-modules-5.19.0-43-generic linux-modules-extra-5.19.0-43-generic  nsight-compute-2023.1.1 nsight-systems-2023.1.2
[20:49] <nicecoffee> https://pastebin.com/uNmK1HqM
[20:50] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: sudo apt remove --purge cudo-*
[20:50] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: sudo apt remove --purge cuda-*
[20:50] <nicecoffee> Been there, tried that, same response
[20:50] <nicecoffee> It wants to fix itself before it purges anything
[20:50] <leftyfb> or go through every cuda package mentioned in your last pastebin and add it to the list of packages to be removed
[20:50] <nicecoffee> It wants to fix itself before it purges anything
[20:51] <sarnold> keep adding packages to that purge list
[20:51] <nicecoffee> So it needs space to fix itself first
[20:51] <leftyfb> it won't if you tell it to purge all the packages and dependencies it is trying to fix
[20:53] <nicecoffee> Well, it won't let me purge
[20:54] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Pw7s5nSq6C/
[20:56] <sarnold> nicecoffee: the general process with these problems is to run the apt purge command, see what pacakges whine, add those packages to the command line, see what packages whine, add those packages to the command line, see what packages whine, etc, and repeat this process until you cut out the rot.
[20:58] <nicecoffee> https://pastebin.com/n5JNrJXB
[20:58] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: please continue on as sarnold suggested
[20:58] <nicecoffee> Can I not just kill off, say Resolve and then have the space I need?
[20:58] <leftyfb> add those packages to the list to be purged all at once
[20:58] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: if you can get it removed, sure
[20:59] <leftyfb> removed properly
[20:59] <nicecoffee> well, I was thinking improperly...
[20:59] <nicecoffee> Cutting off a toenail to save the toe
[20:59] <leftyfb> only if you want to make things worse
[20:59] <sarnold> nicecoffee: double-check how you ran that command. leftyfb's command includes cuda-nsight-compute-12-2 as a package to purge but your output seems to suggest that you missed that package
[20:59] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: snap list
[21:00] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: you coulf also go through and properly remove some snap packages
[21:01] <nicecoffee> https://pastebin.com/eQbjNEzZ
[21:01] <leftyfb> I'm gonna guess android studio is pretty bug
[21:01] <leftyfb> big
[21:03] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: sudo du -hcs /var/lib/snapd/snaps/*|sort -hr
[21:08] <nicecoffee> okay, removing snap stuff was a good call. Now I have about 20G free
[21:08] <sarnold> \o/
[21:08] <leftyfb> I'm concerned about how much "snap stuff" you removed and how you removed it
[21:09] <nicecoffee> I just got rid of VLC and Android Studio and then I got rid of all things CUDA and then 0ad
[21:09] <leftyfb> nicecoffee: how exactly did you "Get rid of"?
[21:09] <nicecoffee> uhh, sudo snap remove...
[21:09] <leftyfb> ok, good, just checking
[21:10] <nicecoffee> then purge cuda 0ad et al
[21:10] <nicecoffee> then apt-get autoremove
[21:10] <nicecoffee> When I reboot, my screens will look like Windows 98
[21:11] <nicecoffee> I use CUDA for DaVinci Resolve
[21:11] <nicecoffee> and Blender et al
[21:11] <nicecoffee> Lots of multimedia stuff
[21:14] <nicecoffee> Thanks for your help folks
[21:20] <jfcaron> Ubuntu package "openshot-qt" has a python uncaught exception upon launch.  Repo version is 2.5.1 (from Linux Mint 21 based on Ubuntu).  Traceback when launching from terminal is https://paste.debian.net/1284402/ Apport claims it's not an "official linux package".
[21:21] <ravage> !mint | jfcaron
[21:21] <jfcaron> lol yeah but it's in the ubuntu repos
[21:21] <jfcaron> oh well, I tried.
[23:08] <GreenCoffeeBean1> How do I disable destop switching/multiple desktops, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS