[00:04] <realtacos> Hello, I am having issues using my external SSD (Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus in an RTL9210 M.2 NVME Adapter) since I made the change  from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. When navigating it with Nautilus or Thunar, it behaves erratically, sometimes taking up to 30s to view a folder (making it a pain to navigate). When transferring a file, it takes about 30seconds to "prepare" for the transfer, then it transfers it at 500Mo/s speeds. I tried copying a c
[00:04] <realtacos> omplex folder structure of 6GB, it stays in "prepare" state for 10min, then I ran out of patience.  It behaves as expected on other machines running MacOS or Windows, and other drives behave as expected on my machine. What could be the issue or how could I find the issue ?
[01:58] <BinarySavior> hello, when trying to use stable-diffusion-web-ui I am getting a python error: https://bpa.st/NSCX4
[01:58] <BinarySavior> in #qt they said it could be mismatch with OS
[01:59] <BinarySavior> oh, they said to check with devs for stable diffusion ui
[02:00] <rbox> so check wit the stable diffusion devs...
[03:48] <oerheks> yes
[05:07] <asdfadsf> On 23.04, how can I get rid of pipewire and go back to pulse without also uninstalling my desktop?
[05:08] <asdfadsf> (which is what happens if I go through with `apt remove pipewire`)
[05:09] <rbox> if the dependencies say X depends on Y, and you want to keep X, you cannot remove Y
[05:10] <asdfadsf> So Gnome cannot exist without pipewire now?
[05:10] <rbox> thats how dependencies work
[05:10] <rbox> if the package says it depends on somethign
[05:11] <rbox> i dunno if gnome can't exist, but if the dependency is there, then it has to be installed
[05:11] <asdfadsf> Out of curiosity, where can I find the accouncement of so drastic a hard change?  Is it a Gnome thing? An Ubuntu thing?
[05:12] <NickH> Try "sudo apt install pulseaudio". You'll likely just loose some gnome metapackages.
[05:12] <rbox> accouncemnt?
[05:12] <rbox> announcement*
[05:12] <NickH> Eg gnome, gnome-core, task-gnome-desktop
[05:12] <asdfadsf> If this is the case, it seems extremely drastic
[05:13] <NickH> Removing metapackages is no "drastic".
[05:13] <asdfadsf> Suddenly only pipewire for Gnome, period, forever, all of a sudden, seems like a big thing
[05:13] <asdfadsf> If that is the case
[05:13] <asdfadsf> So yes, "announcement"
[05:14] <NickH> Do you understand what a metapackage is?
[05:14] <asdfadsf> Any hard documentation that this is a thing that has happened
[05:14] <rbox> most peopel dont care...
[05:14] <rbox> the package is the dcouemtnation
[05:14] <asdfadsf> A changelog, anything
[05:14] <rbox> the package...
[05:16] <NickH> It's just becuase the gnome-core metapackage depends on pipewire-audio.
[05:16] <asdfadsf> Is that just in Ubuntu, or "upstream" or whatever in Gnome?
[05:17] <alkisg> asdfadsf: pipewire is also used for video streaming, xdg portals, screen sharing etc, it's understandable that gnome switched to it. It's an upstream gnome change
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> +1
[05:18] <alkisg> You should be able to continue using pulseaudio for a while, but if you don't have an actual issue with pipewire, you shouldn't...
[05:18] <NickH> Is there some underlying problem that you are trying to solve by not using pipewire?
[05:19] <asdfadsf> I do have an actual issue with pipewire, is the thing.  A horrible crackling/stuttering that multiple days of fucking with it have not been able to fully banish
[05:19] <asdfadsf> Never had a problem with pulse
[05:19] <NickH> How do you know it is pipewire that is causing this problem?
[05:20] <alkisg> asdfadsf: OK, if you have the stomach for it, you could try to reproduce it in other distributions, and if it's an upstream pipewire thing, you could report it there
[05:20] <alkisg> Otherwise, sure, go back to pulseaudio and wait in case it gets fixed when others report it
[05:20] <asdfadsf> It was not a problem, then I upgraded ubuntu to a version where pipewire is forced on me, and now it is a show-stopping problem that manifests constantly
[05:20] <NickH> This reminds me of when pulse was first introduced and many people jsut wanted alsa :-)
[05:21] <asdfadsf> I thought this channel just got done talling me that I *cannot* remove pipewire withotu also removing gnome
[05:21] <alkisg> Pipewire is binary compatible with alsa, pulse and jack, so it should be better in that regard
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> check the recent pipewire bugs here too; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pipewire/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[05:21] <NickH> I'll repeat, gnome and gnome-core are just metapackages.
[05:22] <asdfadsf> I have no idea what that means
[05:22] <asdfadsf> Can I or can I not uninstall pipewire without also uninstalling gnome
[05:22] <NickH> They don't actually contain anything, they just depend on other packages.
[05:24] <alkisg> asdfadsf: just use some askubuntu answer, e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407885/how-to-uninstall-pipewire-and-go-back-to-pulseaudio
[05:26]  * alkisg is using mate so can't test on gnome currently
[05:26] <NickH> The gnome and gnome-core packages will be removed, but all the components of the gnome desktop *except* for pipewire will remain.
[05:26] <asdfadsf> $ sudo apt remove pipewire
[05:26] <asdfadsf> [...]
[05:26] <asdfadsf> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:26] <asdfadsf>   gdm3 gnome-shell pipewire pipewire-pulse ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-session wireplumber [etc]
[05:27] <alkisg> Getting gdm3 removed isn't good, don't do it
[05:27] <NickH> Don't run that. Run "sudo apt install pulseaudio"
[05:27] <asdfadsf> Is it possible to do a thing where all the gnome things do not appear in this list, is my question, to which I am getting conflicting answers
[05:28] <NickH> You are not getting conflicting answers.
[05:29] <asdfadsf> So is what I should be trying to do here be to have both pulseaudio and pipewire installed, and somehow disable pipewire while leaving it installed and enable pulseaudio? Is that a thing that is possible?
[05:29] <NickH> No, they conflict.
[05:30] <NickH> Thats why installing pusleaudio will remove pipewire.
[05:31] <asdfadsf> Okay so "Otherwise, sure, go back to pulseaudio and wait in case it gets fixed when others report it" which someone else said was in error?
[05:32] <NickH> That does not mean having them both installed at the same time.
[05:33] <asdfadsf> So I can't have them both installed at the same time, and I can't remove pipewire. So how do I actually accomplish "Otherwise, sure, go back to pulseaudio and wait in case it gets fixed when others report it"?  Or, was that said in error?
[05:33] <asdfadsf> Do you see my reason for further confusion here?
[05:34] <NickH> You remove pipewire by installing pulseaudio.
[05:35] <asdfadsf> Okay, apt install pulseaudio suceeded and I still have a desktop.  What steps do I take to go from this state to using pulseaudio and not pipewire while still hvaing a desktop?
[05:36] <NickH> sudo apt install gnome
[05:37] <asdfadsf> Okay done
[05:37] <NickH> Installing the gnome meta package get you back to pipewire
[05:38] <asdfadsf> So...
[05:38] <asdfadsf> I am not following here
[05:38] <asdfadsf> You told me to do a thing
[05:38] <asdfadsf> I did it
[05:38] <NickH> I give up.
[05:39] <alkisg> asdfadsf: is that ubuntu (gnome) 22.04?
[05:40] <asdfadsf> That's fine, thank you for trying, but for one last point of clarification:
[05:40] <asdfadsf> was
[05:40] <asdfadsf> you: sudo apt install gnome
[05:40] <asdfadsf> me: Okay done
[05:40] <asdfadsf> you: Installing the gnome meta package get you back to pipewire
[05:40] <asdfadsf> Me somehow doing something wrong, or you realizing that your initial suggestion wouldn't help?
[05:41] <asdfadsf> alkisg: I believe I am on 23.04
[05:41] <alkisg> Well, tested on an Ubuntu GNOME 22.04 VM, and additionally with ubuntu-desktop-amd64.iso, pulseaudio was preinstalled there
[05:42] <asdfadsf> 23 vs 22
[05:42] <asdfadsf> Can/should I downgrade to 22.04?
[05:42] <alkisg> Let me check on 23.04. Was your 23.04 updated from older versions? Which one was the first one?
[05:42] <alkisg> I have an 23.04 VM too, wait...
[05:42] <asdfadsf> Yes upgraded from an initial install of I don't even remember what version like 4 years ago
[05:45] <alkisg> Indeed pulseaudio isn't preinstalled in 23.04, like it is in 22.04
[05:46] <alkisg> sudo apt install pulseaudio, installs some packages, and removes pipewire-alsa pipewire-audio, without purging any meta-packages like ubuntu-desktpo
[05:47] <alkisg> So after installing pulseaudio, try to follow https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407885/how-to-uninstall-pipewire-and-go-back-to-pulseaudio
[05:47] <alkisg> You don't need to uninstall pipewire, just disable it
[05:47] <asdfadsf> Which part of that
[05:48] <alkisg> The answer part
[05:48] <asdfadsf> Because that was my first stop many days ago, and following the first answer was my first experience with having my desktop completely nuked
[05:48] <alkisg> "The following commands helped me:". ..
[05:48] <alkisg> Do not do the removing pipewire part
[05:48] <asdfadsf> That answer ends with "sudo apt remove pipewire-audio-client-libraries pipewire"
[05:48] <asdfadsf> Okay
[05:48] <alkisg> As that answer is for 22.04 and not your 23.04
[05:49] <asdfadsf> So if I paste in multiple lines people get mad at me, I presume it results in multiple messages rather than one message that has newlines in it?
[05:50] <asdfadsf> https://dpaste.com/DMMBR7XHG
[05:50] <asdfadsf> Is that the correct etiquette here?
[05:55] <alkisg> Yes for pasting more than 3 lines you should be using a pastebin like you did
[05:55] <alkisg> asdfadsf: are you on vanilla ubuntu gnome 23.04, or on something like linuxmint?
[05:56] <alkisg> (or popos, or whatever...)
[05:56] <asdfadsf> Vanilla 23.04, as upgraded from whatever the default desktop install was several years ago
[05:56] <alkisg> And you ran sudo apt install pulseaudio, and yet it says the service doesn't exist? I just tested it on 23.04 and it worked ifne
[05:56] <asdfadsf> Yes
[05:57] <asdfadsf> Ah, I did that before and it went through fine
[05:57] <asdfadsf> If I try to run it again: "The following packages will be REMOVED:  gnome gnome-core pipewire-alsa pipewire-audio"
[05:57] <asdfadsf> No idea what changed
[05:57] <alkisg> ...that's by just running apt install pulseaudio ?
[05:58] <asdfadsf> Yes
[05:59] <alkisg> Since you do have a somewhat messed up system, I'd suggest a clean installation (22.04 preferred). If the crackling doesn't happen there in a new system and a new user, then the problem was somewhere in your upgraded system and upgraded user settings
[06:00] <asdfadsf> Thanks for trying. Yes I've been trying to avoid a clean install for years because of some organizational issues in my backups I don't want to deal with
[06:00] <asdfadsf> Definitely going nixos, shoudl avoid precisely this type of problem which I've had way too many times over the years
[06:01] <alkisg> You can still check if disabling/enabling the units gave you pulseaudio back. But your system feels a bit unreliable to me
[06:01] <alkisg> Note that when upstreams make decisions, switching distributions won't really help much
[06:02] <alkisg> nixos is supposed to have a nice packaging system, but I'm afraid that one too doesn't take all use cases into account
[06:02] <asdfadsf> Yeah but the last 2 days of throwing the kitchen sink at configs and having no idea what changed where, the system getting into an aparently inconsistent state, every time I kill my desktop having to remember to do 5 different things to fix other problems after I reinstall
[06:02] <asdfadsf> Absurd mess
[06:05] <asdfadsf> disabling/enabling units fails, "Job for pipewire.service canceled" and "Failed to enable unit: Unit file pulseaudio.service does not exist."
[06:09] <alkisg> Yeh it sounds like indeed your system is in an inconsistent state if you installed pulseaudio and yet don't have the service
[06:10] <asdfadsf> Well, I installed pulseaudio 15 minutes ago, and it seemed to succeed, and then I tried to install pulseaudio 5 minutes ago and it said that would remove gnome, is the worse inconsitency
[06:10] <asdfadsf> Anyways yeah seems doomed thanks for trying fuck linux audio forever
[06:22] <ppw> maybe check out Fedora Silverblue
[06:29] <asdfadsf> ppw: the appeal of NixOS here is configuration.nix, not whatever Silverblue is offerring which I don't quite get (unless it is also operating on an equivalent to configuration.nix)
[06:29] <ppw> I thought you wanted an immutable OS
[08:13] <weedmic> Please provide a terminal command to install Qt_14 - I used "sudo apt-get install qt4-default", but that just said I had the newest default.  tab at qt5 - does not offer any versions.
[08:13] <Bogwitch> Hi All - I'm struggling nmcli
[08:13] <Bogwitch> NAME                UUID                                  TYPE      DEVICE
[08:13] <Bogwitch> Hotspot             b5761fbf-e863-47e7-9c35-2543c0686f41  wifi      --
[08:13] <Bogwitch> Wired connection 1  fbd9d4f0-f3cb-3e66-8353-23130b3ee9f7  ethernet  --
[08:14] <Bogwitch> sudo nmcli con up Hotspot
[08:14] <Bogwitch> Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection (device wlx1cbfce90db08 not available because device is not available).
[08:14] <Bogwitch> This has worked when I first set up the profile - any ideas why it's upset now?
[08:14] <weedmic> use a paste programme and provide link
[08:15] <weedmic> I need either Qt_5.14 or 5.15
[08:17] <weedmic> yes, something is not being seen Bogwitch - did you do nmcli c s (to show the possible connection), then sudo nmcli device status (to see if they are working/accessible) and then sudo nmclie c delete gsm* (*=duplicates that are causing confusino)?
[08:19] <Bogwitch> Hmm... device status is showing 'unavailable'
[08:21] <weedmic> correct - that is why
[08:21] <weedmic> did you switch devices - like insert a different sim?
[08:23] <Bogwitch> No changes apart from possible updates and a reboot.
[08:26] <weedmic> is the device a pi like thing?
[08:26] <weedmic> i meant the host
[08:26] <weedmic> and what is the device a sim?
[08:28] <Bogwitch> Running on a standard Intel box, ubuntu 22.04. It's a standard WiFi device
[08:28] <Bogwitch> Just trying to set it up as a hotspot.
[08:28] <weedmic> and the source of the signal is on?
[08:29] <Bogwitch> Not sure I understand the question...
[08:29] <weedmic> just start over, but don't proceed until the line about availability turns green and says connected
[08:29] <Bogwitch> OK, I'll wipe out the previous config - I'll report back :)
[08:29] <weedmic> Anyone know a command to installt eh qt5 version I want and not the default?
[08:30] <weedmic> I don't think that is necessary, just readd the device, and proceed from there.
[08:31] <weedmic> I can't do it from memory, but did almost 1k pi devices with sims, the times it failed were - no activated sime, or no signal from provider.  in once case, the pi device needed the io's turned on.
[08:34] <waveform> weedmic, apt install qtbase5-dev-tools (on jammy that should get you 5.15)?
[08:36] <waveform> (slightly surprised tab at qt5 didn't offer anything useful -- are bash completions working at your prompt?)
[08:36] <weedmic> oic - that's quite a different pakcage name - probably the walll i dented my head from - ty
[08:36] <weedmic> is jammy similar to synaptic?
[08:37] <waveform> sorry, I should've said 22.04 (jammy :)
[08:37] <waveform> (I was assuming you're on the current LTS, which is 22.04 -- jammy jellyfish)
[08:38] <weedmic> oic, jammy is the codename for 22.04
[08:38] <waveform> there's also qtbase5-dev which you probably want also (I forget which includes qt5-qmake, but one of them doesn't include it for some bizarre reason)
[08:40] <weedmic> it seems to me that 5.12.8 is the newest - yet pebear requires 5.14 or 5.15 - i need to re read things perhaps they mean something else :(
[08:44] <weedmic> :D found the odler version first try on make :D - so much for putting dependencies first
[08:45] <weedmic> waveform: you up?  i can review the man page now
[09:13] <weedmic> apt-file search libc.so.6 - searches repositories or local storage?
[09:22] <ogra> weedmic, it recursively searches your local package cache (the thing you update with "apt update") ... so it searchs bot actually ... but you have to keep the cache up to date yourself indeed
[09:22] <ogra> *searches both
[09:27] <Bogwitch> @weedmic - Embarrassing! Wifi adapter was disabled in the GUI - I re-enabled and now my hotspot is happy again. :)
[09:29] <ogra> FWIW ... if you are used to the GUI, using nmtui instead of nmcli on the commandline is often helpful
[09:38] <Bogwitch> @ogra - I'm usually happy on the CLI, I use a log of headless systems. In this case, it appears that the GUI was competing - I'm not used to the GUI :D
[09:40] <waveform> weedmic, sorry was out at an appointment -- if you're on 22.04 (which you can confirm by running "lsb_release -a") you should have qt 5.15 available (if you run "apt policy qtbase5-dev" you should see a couple of available versions, one release version (5.15.3+dfsg-2) and one -updates version (5.15.3+dfsg-2ubuntu0.2)
[09:46] <ogra> Bogwitch, well, if you have not seen it, nmtui is still worth a look ... 🙂 (it would have told you about the disabled interface i think)
[09:47] <Bogwitch> Yes, that's useful - thanks!
[10:23] <Jakov> how to explicitly close all terminal windows?
[10:30] <ogra> Jakov, right click on the icon in the dash ... pick the "close all windows" option ...
[10:55] <Jakov> it asks to click to close each window, how can avoid that and close all with lesser clicks?
[11:00] <weedmic> ogra - i was hoping it searched both
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:20] <jnd> Hello guys, I feel like a total moron but I cannot find any package which I could create .lzh archive with. Does somebody here has any experience with this? I have found lha package  but can work only with already exiting archives.
[12:21] <ravage> jnd: 7zip should be able to handle lzh
[12:22] <thrice> or lhasa ?
[12:22] <thrice> according to:  https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/lhasa.1.html
[12:22] <thrice> sorry, https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lunar/man1/lhasa.1.html  (same thing)
[12:23] <jnd> thrice: Yeah that's what I was talking about :) "The current version does not allow the creation of new archive files."
[12:23] <thrice> oh, sorry, I misread, and thought you wanted to extract
[12:23] <jnd> ravage: Thank you! I'm gonna give it a try.
[12:24] <weedmic> I knew nothing about, but read this - 1988 - is very very old - :o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHA_(file_format) (jnd)
[12:25] <weedmic> are you making some dos games like 8-bit guy?
[12:28] <weedmic> fyi, jnd, in man:tar, there is the "--lzip" option, but I don't know if it is the same as lzh
[12:29] <weedmic> man:zip also mentions lzh directly, but it was too english for me to understand it fully.
[12:35] <SteelRose> Hi all! anyone versed in ZFS? I need some advice... Thanks !
[12:42] <jnd> weedmic: gonna take a look ;)
[12:43] <weedmic> let's say it works, how do you test it before you rely on it?
[12:47] <alkisg> SteelRose: it's better to ask the question rather than ask to ask. Some may know some zfs; no idea if what you want is in their knowledge base
[12:50] <Jakov> i have loop in terminal application in Ubuntu, can I stop using some short cut as I do with Windows terminal?
[12:57] <alkisg> Jakov: do you mean to press Ctrl+C to stop the running application in the terminal?
[13:00] <ogra> Jakov, yeah, what alkisg said, ctrl-C is the common keystroke to stop things in terminals since the 1970s on unix-like systems ...
[14:29] <Bardon> Hello, I am installing a x11vnc server. It works fine but I'd like to create a unit file so it may be started from systemd. I am using this line to start the x11vnc server: `/usr/bin/x11vnc -display :0 -rfbauth /home/myuser/.vnc/passwd -forever -auth /var/run/sddm/*`, but it seems like systemd doesn't like this '*'.
[14:29] <Bardon> This is the only way I found to start the x11vnc server without being logged in as the user sharing their session ("myuser")
[14:30] <Bardon> But the file in /var/run/sddm/ changes after a reboot so I can't specify it in the command..
[14:30] <Bardon> How can I work this out?
[14:31] <leftyfb> Bardon: /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
[14:33] <Bardon> leftyfb: There is no gdm directory :s. But this is lubuntu so it might be a different dm
[14:34] <leftyfb> maybr sddm? I'm not sure about lxde
[14:35] <Bardon> there is no *dm in /run/user/1000/ :s
[14:35] <Bardon> But I see a ~/.Xauthority file
[14:35] <Bardon> I'll try linking that
[14:39] <Bardon> It seems to be working fine :)
[14:39] <Bardon> Thanks a lot!
[14:58] <MadLamb> Why ubuntu bluetooth management is so horrible? Out of nowhere my pixel buds pro starts to not be able to play a simple video on youtube without breaking up all the time. If I move away 1m from the computer it also starts to freak out. It was working normally until today.
[15:03] <MadLamb> when I switch the output device I get "kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: corrupted SCO packet" in the journal
[15:05] <ogra> did you get any updates ? here all my BT devices work fine in a default 22.04 install
[15:06] <ogra> such stuff usually doesnt happen out of the blue ... either you changed someting or an updated package has a regression ... or there is a hardware issue (battery low on the buds for example)
[15:06] <ogra> war, please turn off public away messages in this channel, thanks
[15:54] <Guest14> Hi
[15:54] <Guest14> i am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 desktop on lenovo laptop
[15:55] <Guest14> lenovo is advising to install
[15:55] <Guest14> # sudo apt-get install linux-image-oem-20.04
[15:55] <Guest14> # sudo apt-get install linux-headers-oem-20.04
[15:56] <Guest14> to install wifi driver but at the moment there is no internet connection to apt-get install xxxx
[15:56] <Guest14> what is manual way to install linux-image-oem in ubuntu?
[15:58] <Guest14> anyone can help?
[15:59] <ravage> probably a cable
[15:59] <Guest14> hmm no ethernet port
[15:59] <Guest14> only wifi in laptop
[15:59] <ravage> connect your phone via usb tethering
[16:05] <MadLamb> ogra:
[16:05] <MadLamb> ogra: I have not changed anything in the last days. I am on 23.04.
[16:07] <MadLamb> ogra: I was the one having that issue the other day with deleting bluetooth libraries and having the whole system destroyed. You helped me to restore it by downloading the library in another machine and getting the networking manager working again.
[16:07] <MadLamb> ogra: the whole point I deleted bt in the first place was because it was also behaving weirdly. It has been fine since that day, but today it decided to behave again.
[16:08] <MadLamb> ogra: I am sure the issue does not come from the Pixel Buds, they work fine on my phone.
[16:10] <Guest14> ravage: Thanks a lot!! didnt think about that option
[16:31] <ocx32> hi all, i am trying to figure a way to take a webcam snapshot when a user tries to login to my pc and gets an authentication error, any idea how to do that?
[16:47] <ogra> ocx32, first hit on google ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/253189/can-i-make-the-webcam-take-a-picture-when-an-incorrect-password-is-entered
[17:10] <joo> did anybody solve the nautilus problems in the most recent ubuntu 23? using file save dialog trying to save something to my dropbox takes almost a whole minute to load the folder
[17:16] <jasongodev> is Ubuntu Pro available for Kubuntu?
[17:17] <jasongodev> there is no GUI and ubuntu-advantage-tools is not installed by default...but can be installed...
[17:18] <jasongodev> I wonder if kubuntu and its kde packages are covered
[17:31] <joo> i just noticed how the file save dialog in libreoffice is blazing fast, but the file save dialog in firefox is very poor in performance
[23:25] <NewtonTrendy> i heard ubuntu is the best operating system, that is 100% right?
[23:28] <tomreyn> it is, if you think it is.
[23:28] <NewtonTrendy> it is
[23:29] <NewtonTrendy> :)
[23:30] <NewtonTrendy> it is the best of all worlds
[23:30] <NewtonTrendy> :)