[01:06] <Mooncairn> Is there any real security benefit to installing apps via flatpak vs a normal deb?
[01:06] <Mooncairn> I see that the applications I normally use have "--device=all" and/or "--filesystem=host", which to my mind makes the sandboxing pointless.
[01:58] <cmaloney> I'm not aware of any, but I'm not the best person to ask on this
[16:21] <jrwren> isn't the flatpak itself mounted to a RO fs? that is a tiny security benefit?
[16:33] <cmaloney> Who do I look like, Jorge? ;)
[16:33] <greg-g> if only he was still on IRC....
[16:36] <jrwren> he all over youtube. leave YT comments. :p 
[16:41] <cmaloney> heh
[16:41] <cmaloney> He's also on the Mastodon
[17:09] <jrwren> huh https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/ https://fosstodon.org/@brauner@mastodon.social/110662028046703437
[17:09] <jrwren> "As of yesterday, the #LXD project is no longer part of the Linux Containers project but can now instead be found directly under Canonical's control.
[17:10] <jrwren> so wait... it is LXD only and not LXC, LXCFS, distrobuilder and ohter tools?
[17:10] <jrwren> so weird.
[17:27] <cmaloney> Probably because LXD is one of the few things that doesn't suck coming from Canonical
[17:27] <cmaloney> so, naturally, they have to ensuck it.
[17:28] <greg-g> enshitify
[17:28] <greg-g> TIL that jrwren is on mastodon too
[17:29] <jrwren> @jrwren@fosstodon.org
[17:29] <jrwren> plz share your names. I need good peeps to follow
[17:30] <greg-g> @greg@social.coop (I just followed you)
[17:34] <jrwren> i follow you back.
[17:35] <cmaloney> @craigmaloney@octodon.social
[17:35] <cmaloney> I keep it difficult, like @greg. ;)
[18:32] <llua> pretty sure lxc predates lxd by a couple years
[18:33] <llua> ah yeah, the second post mentions it
[19:04] <jrwren> well yes, but its the exact same team and people who build it. It is effectively the same project. AIUI
[19:06] <jrwren> maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Stéphane Graber is the only one heavily involved in both.
[19:07] <jrwren> cmaloney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMMwc0Mn0Y
[19:07] <jrwren> you see this?
[20:30] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yep. Haven't watched it yet but it's in my video pile
[20:43] <jrwren> :) nice