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JanCI wonder if you use a "snapped" chromium...00:02
JanC(that would be the default)00:02
nanunope its from a ppa to avoid exactly that00:05
OrangeJuice1001Hi, I have two questions. 1. What does the WIFI AP see when I connect to it about my device? is it just Hostname and WIFI Mac address? 2. How do I edit my Terminal font colors beyond what the GUI settings menu allows? I want to change the color of the "user@hostname" text00:09
OrangeJuice1001using lubuntu 22.04 lts00:09
nanuWhy is this release named jammy? What happened to pairing animals with adjectives?00:12
OrangeJuice1001I'd prefer geologital terms like "Ruby Ocean" or similar00:12
JanCnanu: Chromium should use xdg-open00:12
OrangeJuice1001Well the complete name is Jammy Jellyfish so the gnomenclature is still active00:13
nanuOh, i just never saw jellyfish.00:14
nanuSo i thought JanC, but where to i set the types? I may used the wrong command here.00:14
JanCxdg-mime ?00:14
nanuThat i tried, by the wiki. Was ignored.00:15
nanuMaybe it need a restart somewhere.00:15
nanuThe question is merely for knowledge btw. purging everything i dont need also works.00:16
OrangeJuice1001Can someone1 help me real quick00:16
Bashing-om!ask | OrangeJuice1001 Maybe --00:21
ubottuOrangeJuice1001 Maybe --: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience00:21
JanCOrangeJuice1001: changing the bash prompt is explained in the bash info pages, it uses an environment variable PS1 for that00:21
JanCBashing-om: he asked his 2 questions--but both on 1 line  :)00:21
tomreynOrangeJuice1001: about the first question: it acts as a router, can potentially see anything you send through it (that's not properly end-to-end encrypted).00:22
JanCOrangeJuice1001: the default is configured in ~/.bashrc00:22
OrangeJuice1001yeah but What device identifiers00:22
Bashing-omJanC: Thanks - just read up :(00:22
OrangeJuice1001does the WIfi AP see? is it just hostname and MAC, or more too?00:22
tomreynOrangeJuice1001: hostname is not a device identifier. it surely sees the MAC, which is supposedly a unique hardware ID (though may be modifiable in firmware, and can be overwritten in many drivers)00:24
JanCit will certainly see the MAC and whatever authentication information you use to connect00:25
OrangeJuice1001When I've had a router, I could see the devices Hostname and MAC address00:26
OrangeJuice1001So now, I spoof both, but am wondering if theres another identifier that Im missing or not seeing00:26
JanCthe router knows your hostname because of DHCP00:26
JanCnot because of WiFi00:26
OrangeJuice1001Does DHCP send my linux username too00:26
OrangeJuice1001hmmm, what else does DHCP share from my device to the wifi ap?00:27
JanChow would it know that? (it often connects before any user is logged in)00:27
OrangeJuice1001true, just wondering00:27
JanCwell "connects" (it really just gets some information & a lease for an IP)00:28
OrangeJuice1001ok00:29
JanCnanu: xdg-open acts differently depending on the desktop environment it runs on, so you might want to install your favourite DE first & then see how to configure it on that00:33
JanCso after you are logged in with that DE00:34
nanuI dont see how a DE could affect a terminal command.00:34
JanCtrast me, it does00:34
JanCtrust*00:34
nanuI cant say, installing E was litterally the first thing i did.00:35
JanCand it's a shell script, so it's easy to see for yourself...00:35
nanuSo i never tried00:35
JanCIIRC it has a fallback for DEs it doesn't know00:35
JanCbut it seems like Enlightenment should set $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ENLIGHTENMENT00:37
JanC(that's what the script uses)00:37
JanCseems like it tries to use a command 'enlightenment_open' when that exists00:40
JanCwhich should be part of the enlightenment package00:40
nanuohyes good catch00:41
nanuSo thats overwriting xdg?00:41
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JanCwell, xdg-open calls enlightenment_open, how it is configured should be in the enlightenment documentation, I have no idea00:42
oerheksOrangeJuice1001, look into avahi deamon, that would send such info00:43
JanCit might use the XDG MIME database or not (or use it but override some stuff, like some other DE do)00:43
nanuThats also not of question. I wonder why it calls that. Like where in the chain of events is it linking to that?00:43
oerhekshttps://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man8/avahi-daemon.8.html00:44
JanCyou can just read /usr/bin/xdg-open yourself...00:44
JanCit checks for the DE, and when that is set to ENLIGHTENMENT, it calls enlightenment_open00:45
nanuYea i just confirmed by simply removing it.00:45
oerhekssome changes to E appear after logout/login00:45
nanuXdg stops working if that thing doesnt exists00:45
JanC(or if that doesn't exist, it uses its own generic XDG MIME-based method)00:45
nanuApologies, the problems where caused by my own installs then, should have tried it before i ripped everything appart00:47
nanuI was kinda angry xdg ignores its settings00:47
JanCxdg-open tries to follow whatever the current DE does, because otherwise people get angry their settings are ignored, and unfortunately many DE don't follow XDG, or override parts of XDG MIME settings...00:48
nanuNow that i know its E i can actually set it up properly because i very much know E settings, and yea there it is.00:48
JanCideally, all DEs would implement XDG MIME fully so that the whole hackery isn't needed...   ;)00:49
oerheksall snaps too00:50
oerheksbut E is not an official flavor.00:50
JanCI think in snaps/flatpak/etc. xdg-open should use the bridge00:51
topcat001OrangeJuice1001: The DHCP client may also send the hostname to the DNS server. If configured, the server will then automatically add a DNS record. Many home routers do this.00:54
JanCat least for flatpaks it seems to do that?00:54
nanuIs there a way to revert dmesg to a state where it doesnt need sudo?00:54
JanCwell, DHCP would send it to the DHCP server, which might in turn update the DNS server00:54
JanCnanu: that's actually explained in the manpages  :)00:57
nanuwhere where those suposed to be? Did they come with the install?00:58
nanuoh in man dmesg?00:58
JanCthe dmesg manpage mentions this, and refers to the syslog(2) manpage00:58
nanuHow do i open the later page?01:00
JanCthat's explained in the man manpage  ;)01:01
JanC"man 2 syslog" is one possible way to open it01:02
JanCsee "man man" for possible other ways to do it01:03
JanCthe number is called the "section" a manpage is classified under01:03
nanuAh, ive been using man for so many years but this is the first time i saw the number thing.01:04
JanCeh...01:08
JanCevery manpage has the section number at the top, and every reference to another manpage also includes it...01:11
nanuSo 1 is the default if left out?01:12
rfmnanu, as "man man" will tell you, it searches the sections in a defined (changeable) order for the first one.01:15
nanuI always thought that for system stuff etc "info" is to be used. Never realised man has sections01:15
rfminfo is a GNU thing, thankfully  Ubuntu follows Debian and has real man pages01:16
nanuThey booth access the same files?01:17
nanuI mean if man and info have the same purpose i should get rid of one01:19
rfmnope.  and if the software you're looking for didn't come from GNU it probably doesn't have an info entry01:19
rfmthere are a few GNU programs where the complete docs exist only in info, with the man page only a stub or summary...01:21
nanuInfo was a whole 1 mb of data freed :D01:23
JanCthe info pages are installed with the programs anyway, so removing the info program itself isn't very useful at all01:25
nanuhey an mb is an mb01:26
JanCand as rfm says, for more complicated programs like bash you really want the info pages01:26
nanuNext item on my bucket list is disabling system logs. Is there an universal "do not log setting?". On my old OS /var/log was mounted as a ramdisk, I actually want to disable everything that writes there but setting the folder to write protect, can that cause problems?01:30
rfmnanu, lots of packages write their own logs to /var/log and will get terribly upset if you make it nonwritable.01:39
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rfmnanu, the right way to do this is to modify /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf to stop sending messages to log files  ("man rsyslog.conf" to understand the format)01:41
JanCand apps that don't use syslog for some reason will have their own way (in their own documentation) probably01:43
theorem1neat !02:28
theorem:-P02:28
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theoremjust trying to build a new package for ubuntu02:31
theoremis this the right link to follow ? : https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html02:31
theoremIt appears to use dependencies that are obsoleted as of 20.0402:31
theoremI'd like to package for 23.04 and later02:31
guiverc2theorem, what is your actual problem, its possible the documentation maybe a little stale; if so you can file a bug report on it & it'll get corrected in due course04:11
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theoremsure, I am trying to package a library in  DEB format, however, using bzr this requires the use of a tarfile, but I am packaging a library from a git branch.04:12
guivercI do recall coming against an error in bzr at one point due to slight change..04:13
theoremthe instructions report the requirement to package using 20.04 for support using bzr, and offers no other alternatives.04:13
theoremI am on a 23.04 systems , so this this requriement for a 20.x release is antiquated at best, and probably not best practice for packaging.04:14
guiverci see your point, and I think that's the result of the issue I mentioned ^ & how it (doco) was altered to deal with it.. however 20.04 isn't required; though maybe using the method in that doc (suspicion here - I'm not a dev & haven't packaged anything in a long time!)04:16
theoremthe instructions of packaging new software don't appear to make use of the setup steps using pbuilder-dist which is in the "getting set up" page earlier in the documentation.04:16
theoremand pbuilder-dist DOES seem to be a great way to package -- but it's currently dead-ended in the documentation.04:16
guivercAre you planning to use a PPA to build?  There are other guides too (Debian guides will work & be less ubuntu command specific)04:17
theoremI am currently messing with cmake and cpack to package what I believe will be an acceptable package04:17
theoremyes, I believe PPA is the right approach -- packaging this : https://github.com/hoehermann/purple-gowhatsapp04:18
theoremI do eventually think it could get dropped into the main ubuntu (archives?) because it's an addon to pidgin, but I suspect that will require a bit more work.04:18
theoremI have taken steps to get keys and more setup for that process, but what's preventing progress is the packaging itself.04:19
guiverctheorem, sorry you'll do better with a developer, so I won't respond any more.. Other guides exist (many teams have created their own for example)04:19
theoremhmm, ok then.  Do you have a good guide I can use as reference ?04:20
guivercI recall a list, but I've not found it sorry..04:22
SabryTarek/List04:44
theoremzzz04:44
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sodiumintakeif any1 needs help i am ON it05:19
lotuspsychjesodiumintake: thats not how this channel works, just keep patient until someone asks something05:21
lotuspsychjesee also other ways to contribute to the ubuntu community sodiumintake05:21
sodiumintakelotuspsychje please keep idle chat to a minimum, thanks05:21
lotuspsychje!contribute05:21
ubottuTo contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu05:21
Thorinand maybe register your nick and cloak yourself, so you look professional05:21
sodiumintakei'm on step 6 with job interview of canical now05:21
alkisgComical? :D05:34
sodiumintakeno canancial05:34
lotuspsychjelol05:34
jmichaelwhat's up05:55
jmichaelso HexChat is irc05:55
jmichaelhaven't done this in a while.05:55
jmichaelanyone home?05:56
jmichaelprobably gonna have to take this off the taskbar to make some needed room... wish you all the best.05:56
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sodiumintakeany 1 need help yet07:02
lotuspsychjeplease dont sodiumintake07:02
sodiumintakelotuspsychje please dont ask to ask, just ask07:02
sodiumintake!contribute07:02
ubottuTo contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu07:02
clampd81How many Ubuntu it takes to ask how to hasck? 2 -> a 1 and a 007:04
clampd81no need for applause cause joe biden is doing it already.07:05
lotuspsychje!ot | clampd8107:05
ubottuclampd81: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!07:05
sodiumintakeclampd81 please keep chit chat to a minimum unless u need help! (that was a good one though thanks!)07:05
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clarkkI'm on ubuntu 20.04. After an update that included a new kernel, my settings in /etc/systemd/logind.conf have been commented out. Is this expected?11:06
weedmicclarkk: "Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS reached the end of its three years of supported life provided by the Ubuntu Studio team. All users are urged to upgrade to 22.04 LTS at this time."11:10
clarkkweedmic, would love to. Just not in a position to atm.  Is that relevant to my question?11:10
Sinthetictest11:17
clarkkso is really important. I can't risk important settings change. I lost 12 hours of data because of this. Can someone tell me if this is expected behavior?11:19
clarkkessentially, everything in logind.conf had been commented out11:19
brkcoreI have in the sysctl.conf file a rule net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 1, however on sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all i got its value on 0. Any idea why is that?11:22
weedmicclarkk: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/logind.conf.5.html11:46
weedmicbasically "... Is this expected?" - yes11:47
weedmicalso "essentially, everything in logind.conf had been commented out" is better than deleted.  did you try uncommenting the items you need?11:48
clarkkweedmic, if I have to comment it out again, then the damage has already been done. I can't find the part that says it's expected. In fact, it says, "This file can be edited to create local overrides."11:53
weedmicmy english may not be as good as you think.  in what is this?  "I can't find the part that says it's expected".  In the file I gave you?11:54
weedmic"The default configuration is defined during compilation, so a configuration file is only needed when it is necessary to deviate from those defaults.11:55
weedmicto me the default is no file, you need to create a file.  since you had a file, it kept it, but remmed it out.11:56
weedmicyou can do "This file can be edited to create local overrides."11:56
clarkkweedmic, I edited it, and then somehow it was remmed out. Why? I don't see where it says that11:57
weedmicI don't see how there should be any data loss. - so I also don't get "the damage has already been done" betekenis11:57
clarkkweedmic, if the system is suspended at any point, my specific software will stop running, which will cause data loss11:58
weedmici thought you upgraded, and ubuntu remmed out the lines you originally had.  are you saying you edited the file after that and it did not save the set(tings)?  if so, were you root?  if it is something else, I think you need to explain over, what steps happened and what you want the end to be.11:59
clarkkweedmic, I didnt upgrade. As I said, I *updated*, which means installing the patches that ubuntu offers.11:59
clarkkweedmic, you know I didn't upgrade, because you already said I am on a previous version of ubuntu12:00
weedmicupdated doesn't change anything, only sees what files are out there.12:01
clarkkweedmic, exactly, which is the reason for my question "is this expected"12:01
clarkkI definitely edited the file about a year ago. Since then I haven't touched it. However, I have installed patches. And the file has been changed (my changes remmed out)12:02
clarkkreally pissed off, tbh12:02
weedmicno - i doubt that can happen.  you need to check your log and see what really happened.  you may also want to redescript step by step what happened as I am getting lost with the long english sentences.12:02
clarkkweedmic, believe me, it has happened12:03
weedmicclarkk: there are always backups one can revert to (if you made them).  go back and copy over the current file.12:03
clarkkweedmic, I can easily just unremark my setting. But, as I said already, THIS IS TOO LATE12:03
clarkkdamage done12:03
weedmicas you wish.12:03
* ogra wonders if clarkk actually bothered to read the manpage ... /etc/systemd/logind.conf is simply the wrong file, overrides need to go into /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/ in a fresh file you add in there (like the manpage describes) ... this wont be overwritten by dpkg ...12:16
ogra(but is it moot anyway since clarkk is gone indeed)12:16
weedmiche left, I wanted to see the "update" command - thought maybe it has some && upgrade in it, but I like your thinking ogra12:18
weedmicI suppose I'm just over cautious.  always creating a .backup filr or .original .date before I change something.  never doing upgrade utnil I have examined what could go wrong and know how to revert for each package.  things like that.  I am still trying to get collegues to do the same.12:19
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tomreynNokaji: please see my private message13:34
Jakovh15:31
Jakovhow to output July in numeric presentation?15:31
Jakovls -l: -rwxrwxr-x 1 supernova supernova 5830824 Jul  9 17:28 MPU15:31
tomreyn--time-style=TIME_STYLE15:34
tomreynsee the man page15:34
tomreyne.g.   ls -l --time-style=long-iso15:37
Jakovtomreyn, ty15:40
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kobinahello15:46
plt2Hello the --force command is not working when I type this /usr/local/emps/bin/php /usr/local/webuzo/cli.php --lets_encrypt --force --action=install --domain=freechatforums.com15:51
tomreynwhich ubuntu release are you running, why a custom php distrobution?15:51
plt2Crazy scripts and unix files do not show a example command lines15:51
plt2I will ask the author and tell them next time to add a example command line.15:52
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corbisanyone here currently in africa?16:27
tomreyncorbis: this doesn't seem like an ubuntu support question (but that'ds the sole purpose of this channel).16:32
corbisoh ok cool16:34
pycuriousmy logitech mx mouse was working yesterday night, and now my machine doesnt detect it. Any ideas on how to fix/debug this? I installed blueman and blueman-adapter says no controllers detected?18:27
pycurioushciconfig -a is empty18:30
lotuspsychj3pycurious: journalctl -f and plug your device and !paste the output you get to the channel so volunteers can take a look for you18:32
pycuriouslotuspsychj3: this might be helpful - > https://dpaste.com/54SK785XY18:32
pycuriouslotuspsychj3: its a mouse that pairs over bluetooth - it does not have a usb attachment18:33
lotuspsychj3pycurious: journal logs will catch every event happening in your system, or share your full dmesg perhaps18:35
pycuriousIt's pretty similar to : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273266/bluetooth-suddenly-stopped-working-ubuntu-20-04-no-default-controller-availabl18:36
lotuspsychj3pycurious: dmesg, ubuntu release and kernel version would be handy on your case18:37
pycuriouslotuspsychj3: https://dpaste.org/0kUhX - trying to get you dmesg18:41
JakovHow to close some terminals In Ubuntu in one time?19:10
JakovIf I use right mouse click to Icon I still need to confirm closing19:10
KiwiWater23you can disable confirm to close I think19:10
Jakovwhere19:11
Jakovomg19:11
KiwiWater23In terminal settings,19:11
KiwiWater23But it might only apply to new windows19:11
KiwiWater23open terminal emulator, preferences/settings, look for something like "confirm to close" and uncheck it19:11
JakovI dont have it19:13
KiwiWater23;)19:13
KiwiWater23Then just logout19:13
KiwiWater23that will force-close all open programs19:13
KiwiWater23usually19:14
Jakovhow to logout19:14
Jakovmaybe there is a command to kill all terminals19:14
Jakovlocate terminal process and kill these?19:14
bougymankillall Terminal19:15
KiwiWater23Or maybe in taskbar the temrinal windowss are all grouped into 1 tab and can right click close all19:15
Jakovstill asks to confirm19:16
Jakovbougyman, Terminal: no process found19:16
bougymanJakov: that was an example I don't know what terminal you are using.19:16
bougymanps aux|grep terminal19:16
bougymanit's probably gnome-terminal or maybe gnome-terminal-server19:16
Jakovsuperno+   26563  1.1  1.0 856288 84280 ?        Ssl  19:31   1:11 /usr/libexec/gnome-terminal-server19:17
Jakovsuperno+   36030  0.0  0.0   9380   724 pts/4    S+   21:16   0:00 grep --color=auto terminal19:17
bougymanyeah.19:17
bougymankill gnome-terminal-server19:17
KiwiWater23I mean, just close the terminals manually19:17
KiwiWater23Or restart19:17
bougymanI mean killall19:17
Jakovbig hug!19:18
bougymanI'm not a hugger. How about a fist bump?19:18
Jakovfine19:18
* bougyman bumps19:18
* Jakov Rolls a 6 sided dice and gets 219:19
Jakovhow to make it work faster? can I get two commands in one?19:19
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zepekenhioHi...20:54
Thermoriaxlol...and now for no apparent reason, my notification indicator is suddenly working...22:03
Jakovhow to copy folders's files to folder other folder (without source folder itself)22:19
Jakov?22:19
rboxJakov: trying to make a tongue twister?22:20
Jakovits late night/morning, sorry22:21
Jakovtrying to finish some shit and go sleep22:21
Jakovcp -a & cp-r does not work22:31
eepromif you don't care about hidden files that begin with '.', then this should work: cp -a a/* b/22:32
eepromand if you care about hidden files (remove the echo to make it actually run): find a/ -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec echo cp -a {} b/ \;22:33

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