[00:31] <Guest11> so im trying to install pavucontrol because it works nicely with pipewire but apt automatically wants to get rid of pipewire and install pulse audio
[00:31] <Guest11> how can i stop that default behavior
[00:32] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm | Guest11 what version?
[00:33] <Guest11> 23.04
[00:33] <Guest11> but i guess just apt install pavucontrol pulseaudio- worked
[00:34] <Eickmeyer> Cool!
[00:49] <Guest11> wonder why pipewire doesn't my bluetooth mic only the output
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Guest11: Check the profile of the Bluetooth headset.
[00:52] <Guest11> yeah its using an audio only one
[00:53] <Eickmeyer> Guest11: That's why. Most Bluetooth headsets cannot do A2DP duplex audio.
[00:53] <Guest11> yep! and i can change the profile with pavucontrol lol which i just got working, nice
[00:54] <Guest11> but wowww the audio is sooo sooo sooo sooo much worse
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> Hence I recommended checking the profile, since I knew you'd just installed that.
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> A2DP = high quality, but one-way. You can't have it both ways with Bluetooth, unfortunately. That's a limitation of most Bluetooth headsets.
[00:55] <Guest11> im so excited to try noise torch
[00:56] <Guest11> but wow the quality is just soo soo bad i really
[00:56] <Guest11> i really don't remember it being this bad with windows
[00:56] <sunfroggi> hello
[00:56] <sunfroggi> well since my laptop exploded
[00:56] <sunfroggi> im using a back up linux machine
[00:57] <Eickmeyer> !support | sunfroggi
[01:25] <aiena_> How do I disable F10 opening up window menus? I have a tui which needs f10 but f10 get redirected to the gnome terminal menu and not inside the shell. On all windows pressing F10 opens up the menu items
[01:35] <guiverc> aiena_, you've not provided any OS/release details; but F10 does nothing in other terms so one fix is just using a different terminal
[01:36] <rfm> aiena_, , terminal menu>preferences>general and uncheck "enable the menu accellerator key" worked for me in 23.04
[01:45] <aiena_> guiverc, I am on ubuntu 22.04
[01:46] <aiena_> rfm, thank you I am trying that
[01:46] <aiena_> yes that worked thanks a lot
[05:49] <alok> @xmetal
[06:02] <alok> @ChanServ
[09:01] <imtranscended> hi, just wanted to see if anyone can help with a problem i'm having. i'm trying to use netplan to setup my usb ethernet device to use a static ip of 10.10.10.1/24. the problem is, whenever the device restarts it gains a new mac address meaning that netplan doesnt apply the config and it creates a new wired connection
[09:42] <TomyWork> is banjo.canonical.com down or something? I'm getting weird "apt update" errors
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: https://status.canonical.com/
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: for deeper investigation, try #ubuntu-mirrors
[09:53] <TomyWork> is "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy main restricted" etc. correct though?
[09:58] <weedmic> if I do ctrl+alt+f3 (to drop to init lvl 3), how do I return to the gui in ubuntu?  it does not seem to be ctrl+alt+f7.
[09:58] <exoterws> f1?
[09:59] <weedmic> I believe that would be init level 1
[09:59] <weedmic> or do you mean just f1 and not ctrl+alt+f1 - exoterws
[09:59] <weedmic> I don't want to try without knowing for sure as it will require me to reboot if I cannot return to the gui.
[10:00] <exoterws> ok don't try it... i may be getting mixed up between distros
[10:06] <weedmic> you could try it and report back :D
[10:09] <exoterws> i thought ctl alt f3 was a tty terminal not a run level. wait for someone less stupid than me to respond
[10:10] <ogra> yes, it is a terminal
[10:10] <ogra> and runlevels are dead since systemd
[10:17] <TomyWork> and even before systemd, ctrl+alt+F* were shortcuts to switch terminals, not runlevels
[10:22] <ogra> right
[10:24] <weedmic> nice to know, but... how does one return to the gui they were in if in terminal f3?
[10:24] <elie> hi
[10:25] <weedmic> cheers
[10:25] <elie> can anyone hepl me setting up nat server
[10:25] <elie> i have only one network card
[10:26] <gordonjcp> elie: you need more than one network card, really
[10:26] <elie> i have vpn connected
[10:26] <elie> so 2 network card
[10:27] <weedmic> elie - are you talking about NAT for virtualbox/vmware?
[10:27] <elie> not vm
[10:27] <weedmic> then you do need 2 NICs
[10:27] <elie> ok
[10:27] <elie> 2 real nic
[10:28] <TomyWork> weedmic, ctrl+alt+f1
[10:28] <TomyWork> usually
[10:28] <weedmic> tks TomyWork - i shall give it a try - since I now know they have not been init levels in a looooong time, f1 is not as scarey
[10:29] <weedmic> worked -tyvm TomyWork (& u2 exoterws)
[10:29] <ogra> weedmic, well, that key combo has ever switched runlevels ...
[10:29] <ogra> *never
[10:30] <weedmic> could be a bad fuse in my brain - i thought that keycombo was the same as "init 3" - nice to know
[10:31] <weedmic> congrats on the name change Atque
[10:31] <Atque> weedmic: thanks
[10:33] <gordonjcp> weedmic: no, it just switches what is being displayed
 worked -tyvm TomyWork (& u2 exoterws)  <--- aint gonna run that command
[11:16] <TomyWork> weedmic, to my knowledge, they have never been runlevels
[11:17] <TomyWork> where did you get that info?
[11:18] <weedmic> 1995 or so, probably did not write it down correctly - have already changed my notes
[11:24] <gjolly> I had to install pipewire-jack to get my audio jack to work on my laptop (I am running Lunar), is it expected? If this is really necessary for the audio jack to work, I would expect this package to be a dependency of ubuntu-desktop.
[11:27] <TomyWork> weedmic, 1995, that's debian 1.x times
[11:27] <p3lim> installed ubuntu 22.04 desktop on a laptop and my kvm doesn't work, every time I dis/connect the KVM the logs get flooded with ACPI errors: https://paste.debian.net/1285473/
[11:28] <TomyWork> you have notes from that time? nothing I have survives from that day
[11:30] <weedmic> I used slackware, then redhad (b/c they had a book), then opensuse as novell changed over to that.  I did not really try other things until about covid time, I worked at a place I could not connect to with opensuse and had to use mint, then mint stopped providing kde, so i went to ubuntu, then ubuntu stopped with kde, so I went to kubuntu.  I also used sun workstations (but aht was unix) and the sun os which I have not forgot thename.  somewhere in there was
[11:30] <weedmic> also caldera.  but underneath, they really are the same you just add/change it to what you need.  I like apt better than zypper.  but I really like kde.  and, of course, give me konsole or give me death is my motto.
[11:33] <TomyWork> uh, kubuntu and mint are both from 2006, so I think you got your timeline wrong :)
[11:35] <TomyWork> kubuntu being from 2006 means that ubuntu likely didn't come with kde as the default DE since at least that time
[11:35] <weedmic> I didn't say I used it from when they were issued first - only when I used them.  I was and still am extremely happy with opensuse and only use otherthings when I need to.  Like now, ubuntu is needed for apt.
[11:36] <TomyWork> the name of the sun os was SunOS, btw
[11:36] <weedmic> yes, i remember - solaris.  but it never got updated - so i dropped it
[11:36] <weedmic> sunos on the sparc stations, solaris on pcs
[11:36] <TomyWork> yeah my uni used solaris for their pools
[11:37] <TomyWork> that's about the extent of my experience with it :D
[11:37] <weedmic> pool like zwembad?
[11:37] <TomyWork> what
[11:37] <TomyWork> no, like a computer pool
[11:38] <weedmic> oic, not water group/network
[11:38] <TomyWork> like a room with a bunch of computers that students could log in to
[11:39] <TomyWork> (or rather, dozens of rooms... big uni)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:39] <webchat30> hi , i have an issue in my ubuntu laptop - sometime sound is not working , headphones are detected but sound is not coming , also video got stuck, after reboot it will fix, but i need permanent solution can  anybody help me how to fix ?
[12:45] <TomyWork> webchat30, from the information you have given, I can't even tell if this is a sound issue or a network issue
[12:47] <weedmic> webchat30: often one needs to redirect the sound.  in kde, you right click on the speaker near the clock>configure audio>output>ensure it is to headsets (or speakers) depending on what you want at the time.  there is a test button there just to be sure.
[12:47] <TomyWork> please provide more info: ubuntu version and flavor, laptop specs (especially RAM), headphone model, what you mean by "video got stuck" and whether that happens at the same time as as the sound not playing, whether either issue only happens in certain applications or in all of them
[12:49] <TomyWork> also whether the reboot only fixes the video issue or also the sound issue
[12:49] <webchat30> ubuntu version is 20.04 lts , intel driver  , 16 gb of ram , headphone is boat
[12:49] <webchat30> after reboot it will fix both issue
[12:50] <webchat30> but after 2-4 days the issue will occure again
[12:50] <webchat30> i have re downloaded pulse audio but not worked
[12:55] <TomyWork> "redownloaded"? did you install pulseaudio manually?
[12:55] <webchat30> yes  i have downlaod it manually
[12:55] <webchat30> while i am performing troubleshooting steps
[12:55] <TomyWork> oh god
[12:56] <webchat30> what happend ?
[12:56] <TomyWork> good luck with that system, that's unsupportable
[12:56] <webchat30> what it means ?
[12:56] <TomyWork> you're not supposed to install pulseaudio manually, you're supposed to use the ubuntu-provided packages for it
[12:57] <webchat30> yes
[12:57] <webchat30> but pulse audio already there before in manually installed it
[12:58] <TomyWork> then why did you manually install it???
[12:58] <webchat30> for fixing the mic and sound issue ,
[12:58] <TomyWork> ok, *how* did you manually install it?
[12:58] <weedmic> generally, if there is a sound issue, most of the time, it is mis-directed output.  if you verity the output is correct, merely stop (count to ten) and restsart the pusle daemon.  if it happens a lot/often, then you can be more drastic.  my guess in your case, it works until you plug in headsets (or vice versa) b/c you hope it will redirectly the output itself.  but now, who knows.
[13:00] <TomyWork> weedmic, you don't know wtf is going on on that system. all your assumptions are based on a supported ubuntu system, which, if they did indeed install pulseaudio manually, this is not
[13:00] <weedmic> i concur - hence why I ended with "but now, who knows" - because he changed it manually
[13:01] <webchat30> sudo apt-get  pulseaudio
[13:01] <TomyWork> weedmic, oh, i missed that part :D
[13:01] <weedmic> webchat30: no -f in there - maybe you iddn't change anything as if it were already there, it might have said 0 changes.
[13:01] <TomyWork> webchat30, oh okay, that's not what I thought you meant by "redownloading pulseaudio"
[13:02] <TomyWork> webchat30, and yeah as weedmic said, this command probably did nothing, but no need to do that anyway
[13:02] <TomyWork> this isn't windows, where reinstalling software magically fixes things :)
[13:03] <webchat30> also tried this cmds sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio
[13:03] <webchat30> sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:04] <TomyWork> for me (18.04), this also removes a bunch of other packages which you might need to now reinstall
[13:04] <weedmic> TomyWork: tea came uit my nose - that was goed :D
[13:05] <webchat30> is there anything i can perform or redownload all packages without losting any personal file and app setting ? is this possible  ? i am using Gnome
[13:05] <TomyWork> webchat30, did you write down which packages those 2 commands actually removed?
[13:06] <webchat30> yes thats pulse audio
[13:06] <TomyWork> and what else?
[13:06] <webchat30> that it
[13:06] <TomyWork> that's extremely unlikely
[13:06] <TomyWork> you did an apt-get autoremove
[13:07] <webchat30> let me check my  history
[13:07] <webchat30> i think i didnt type auto remove
[13:07] <weedmic> you could check the log it might be the last few entries if it isn't too far back - no need for grep even.  then you can be positive about the packages removed.
[13:08] <TomyWork>  /var/log/apt/history.log*
[13:09] <weedmic> fyi, de situatie sounds a lot better to me now - so keep your bearing positive webchat30
[13:09] <TomyWork> I'd download a 22.04 iso, and boot it from a usb stick, see if that has the same issues
[13:10] <TomyWork> and if not, just backup your files and reinstall from that iso
[13:17] <ogra> gjolly, pipewire-jack has nothing to do with your headphone jack ... it is bridging software to make pipewire work with the jackaudio daemon, a tool used for professional audio processing
[13:21] <webchat30> i dont use apt auto remove cmd
[13:37] <jongsta> is it true that i will need to pay for Ubuntu pro in order to receive full support and receive security updates to universe/multiverse?
[13:38] <jongsta> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1452299/im-getting-the-message-the-following-security-updates-require-ubuntu-pro-with
[13:45] <teward> jongsta: no that's misinformation
[13:47] <teward> jongsta: (1) Ubuntu Pro is free for end users on up to 5 systems without you paying.  (2) Security patches and such will still be released, Universe or otherwise, in the security pocket, but esm-apps has the potential to receive certain patches faster in certain cases.  You're still 'safe' from a security standpoint without ESM.
[13:48] <teward> jongsta: see this answer on that same post: https://askubuntu.com/a/1453309/10616
[13:54] <jongsta> i'm confused
[13:55] <jongsta> under that post, someone posts: Ubuntu is still holding back security patches. The ethics of this are extremely questionable. They're basically doing what those "security" companies do that sell exploits (NSO, etc). Consider an evil hacker that has a "Pro" subscription, it's basically a feed for exploits they can use. No more Ubuntu for me. –
[13:55] <jongsta> CR
[13:55] <teward> jongsta: to be honest that post is missing a lot of information and canonical answers which I once wrote when this first showed up.
[13:55] <teward> jongsta: and no, "a feed for exploits" is not valid either
[13:56] <jongsta> i guess the point i'm trying to make is anyone reading these kinds of posts is going to be just as confused
[13:56] <teward> jongsta: yeah let me see if I can find the answer I wrote on a similar post which was more in-depth
[13:56] <jongsta> you have 2 thoughts being pushed here for the most part. "start paying to receive security updates" or "only have to pay if you go Pro"
[13:56] <teward> jongsta: the problem is there's misinformation out there and the 'average user' is always confused by it.  I've already pulled my weight with the Ubuntu Community Council to ask Canonical to be more explanatory with how this works, etc. so there's less confusion.
[13:57] <teward> jongsta: again, there is no "paying" for Pro in this case.
[13:57] <teward> jongsta: if you are using it for your personal system it's free - see "Free for Personal use" on https://ubuntu.com/pro
[13:57] <jongsta> i'm talking about a production environment
[13:58] <jongsta> we currently have 20.04LTS deployed
[13:59] <teward> jongsta: so do I, 20.04, 22.04, i'm already at the dozens of servers :P
[13:59] <teward> jongsta: granted, I pay for a larger subscription set, but *you yourself* can go register on Ubuntu Pro with an email address and then bind a production system to that, the system doesn't care as long as you don't overuse it past the 5 'free'
[14:00] <teward> we do the same at $DAYJOB for the three or four systems we needed ESM on temporarily
[14:00] <jongsta> and there's no need to worry about not receiving security updates/patches for universe/multiverse repos?
[14:01] <jongsta> we have hundreds of servers in our deployment so we can't use it for free
[14:01] <teward> jongsta: i think the issue here is you have multiple questions that i'm going to split into the following:  (1) Do we have to *pay* to get continued security support?  Answer: **NO** there is no new subscription or pay wall for standard security updates to your system, Universe or otherwise.  SOME Universe apps get a 'higher' support level in ESM but that doesn't prevent the same changes from eventually landing in the -security pocket.
[14:01] <teward> (2) Does not using ESM mean we aren't secure?  Answer: again, *no*, you still get the standard ubuntu security patch cadence that's always been in the Ubuntu repos before ESM / Pro existed.
[14:02] <teward> (3) Are we safe in production?  Answer: Read #2, and then talk to your IT Sec team who determine your risk levels to see whether the affected packages in ESM that have updates before the -security pocket are in fact being used.  The **vast** majority of Production systems I've seen aren't using those packages themselves.
[14:02] <teward> s/themselves/which are in esm-apps separate from -security themselves, and therefore have no benefit *yet* from esm-apps.
[14:03] <teward> the last answer is based on my job as an IT Security professional
[14:04] <ogra> jongsta, regarding your last question ... did you worry about "not receiving security updates/patches for universe/multiverse repos" until now ? not that nothing changed in that regard ... you can optionally now get additional securiy fixes for these repo pockets if you want to (and apt tells you abut it) but you indeed do not have to and can ignore the message
[14:04] <ogra> *note that nothing
[14:04] <jongsta> our security officer brought this up to our teams
[14:05] <jongsta> and making it sound like we have to start paying
[14:05] <jongsta> so i think it's him who is confused
[14:05] <ogra> if you wnat them and have more than 5 servers, you can indeed pay
[14:05] <jongsta> i wanted to float this by you guys to confirm
[14:07] <jongsta> so just to clarify, the universe and multiverse repos are NOT going "pro-only" for security patches and we won't need to purchase a subscription for them
[14:07] <ogra> it is an extra service that has not existed before (and canonical hired new security people to provde it that indeed need to get paid by someone 🙂 )
[14:08] <ogra> there has not been security for universe/multiverse before (except for very few (2-10 per release) patches coming from the community ...
[14:08] <donkarlo> hi everyone sorry for stupidity. someone has sent me a file with .key extension and has told me to use it as my ssh key. I dont know what I should do with this file. should I just copy it to /home/donkarlo/.ssh/ ?
[14:09] <hggdh> jongsta: in other words: you did NOT have security updates for Universe packages before Ubuntu Pro. Never.
[14:09] <ogra> right ...
[14:09] <hggdh> donkarlo: no, do not copy it over to to ~/.ssh/
[14:09] <jongsta> why does that not seem accurate heh
[14:09] <ogra> so if you didnt care before, you dont *need* to care now ... but if you want to start caring, you can pay
[14:10] <jongsta> we never received security patches before
[14:10] <donkarlo> hggdh: what should I do with it then ?
[14:10] <jongsta> doesn't sound right
[14:10] <ogra> (or restrict yourself to 5 servers 🙂 )
[14:10] <ogra> well, you didnt
[14:10] <ogra> only packages from main and restricted were covered
[14:10] <ogra> since day one
[14:10] <jongsta> hmm
[14:11] <hggdh> donkarlo: find out what it is *first of all*. We NEVER deploy files we do not know about
[14:11] <jongsta> i'll let the devs sort it out heh
[14:12] <donkarlo> hggdh: it is a file from boss and starts with -----BEGIN OPENSSH PRIVATE KEY----- and then a large string and then -----END OPENSSH PRIVATE KEY-----
[14:13] <hggdh> donkarlo: this seems like an SSH private key. There is NO REASON for anyone to give you their SSH private key. I would leave it aside
[14:14] <hggdh> donkarlo: even more one private key in clear text
[14:14] <donkarlo> hggdh: he says I need it to be abale to to connect to ssh of one of our servers
[14:15] <hggdh> donkarlo: no, they do not.
[14:15] <donkarlo> hggdh: Then I dont know what to do
[14:16] <hggdh> donkarlo: this is actually good. Do not do anything with it.
[14:16] <donkarlo> I want to add it to then end of id_rsa, because I need to hand shake to a remote server
[15:52] <raddy> Hello
[15:52] <raddy> I need few clarification
[15:52] <raddy> Does Ubuntu server edition include GUI installer ?
[15:52] <ravage> donkarlo: the right way would be to generate your own private key if you dont already have one and send your boss the public key
[15:53] <ravage> raddy: depends on how you define GUI. it has a guided installation that it text based.
[15:54] <raddy> ravage: Simple, Partition manager won't be there in text based installer
[15:55] <raddy> One more important question
[15:55] <ravage> partitioning is part of the process
[15:56] <raddy> That is correct, but we cannot customize the partitions intricately in text based installer
[15:56] <u8353v[m]> #ubuntu:matrix.org
[15:56] <raddy> I have installed ubuntu inside virtualbox
[15:56] <u8353v[m]>  * #ubuntu:matrix.org - Does "Discussion of Ubuntu and its official flavors" require invite now?
[15:57] <u8353v[m]>  * #ubuntu:matrix.org - Does "Discussion of Ubuntu and its official flavors" require invite now?
[15:57] <u8353v[m]> Can someone please invite me?
[15:57] <ravage> it should be public
[15:57] <ravage> one sec
[15:57] <u8353v[m]> ravage: thanks!
[15:58]  * u8353v[m] uploaded an image: (136KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JXBSFTsSRwqihGRRTKIBrYAm/image.png >
[15:58] <ravage> try again
[16:03] <u8353v[m]> ravage: Nils fixed it!
[16:03] <u8353v[m]> Cheers 🍻
[16:03] <raddy> the lsblk shows sda3 size to 53GB
[16:03] <ravage> u8353v[m]: yes thats me :P
[16:04] <raddy> But ubuntu vg ubuntu lv size is only 25GB
[16:04] <ravage> raddy: i think the default LVM installation does not use the full disk
[16:05] <ravage> you can expand it while the VM is running
[16:05] <raddy> ravage: after installation ?
[16:05] <ravage> yes
[16:05] <raddy> Ohhh okkk
[16:06] <ravage> https://askubuntu.com/questions/24027/how-can-i-resize-an-ext-root-partition-at-runtime
[16:06] <ravage> i think you have to resize the lvm part first. then the filesystem
[16:09] <TomyWork> donkarlo, do not accept private keys from other people as your own. generate your own key and send them the public portion of that key
[16:10] <TomyWork> they need to put that key into the "authorized_keys" file under .ssh on that server
[16:11] <TomyWork> if they insist on doing it wrong, you can use "ssh -i /path/to/your.key user@host"
[16:12] <TomyWork> I realize this was 2 hours ago, sorry :D
[16:12] <raddy> ravage: Thanks a lot, I followed a different guide and extended it
[16:13] <ravage> raddy: great :)
[16:13] <raddy> But I feel installer should be fixed
[16:13] <TomyWork> still, ssh -i is an option. do not put someone else's private key in .ssh.
 i think you have to resize the lvm part first. then the filesystem <--- do you know the --resizefs option?
[16:14] <TomyWork> lvextend --resizefs -l +100%FREE /path/to/logical/volume
[16:15] <TomyWork> assigns all available space to the LV and extends the file system to match
[19:26] <abel> hi
[20:59] <Gnome2020> I've activated my Windows 11 laptop on my home WIFI. Now , my unique sereal number is linked to microsoft via my IP. permanantly linking this laptop to my home IP, correct? I've installed Ubuntu, can I somehow remove the laptops ingrained sereal number?
[21:21] <blahboybaz> Today I discovered that gimp will not launch for some reason. I then went ahead and made sure my system was up to date by running `sudo apt update` and `sudo apt upgrade` and restarted the computer (just to be safe) but the problem did not resolve. I then ran `gimp` from the command line and received the output `gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libgegl-0.4.so.0: cannot open shared object
[21:21] <blahboybaz> file: No such file or directory`. Upon doing an internet search I see that others have had this problem in the past: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1975084 (May 7th, 2012) and : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1244868/libgegl-0-4-0-package-upgrade-problem (May 29, 2020). But because the solutions offered in those posts are so old I can not be sure it would not put me at a disadvantage (harm
[21:21] <blahboybaz> my system) or even work any longer (be effective). Is there any guidance on soving this problem in the current time (up to date solution)?
[21:21] <blahboybaz> thanks
[21:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> blahboybaz: this seems relevant: https://www.gimp-forum.net/Thread-Help-Updating-libgegl-0-4-0
[21:27] <blahboybaz> `apt list --upgradable` and `apt list --upgradable -a` both output `Listing... Done`  so.. no output to show I guess
[21:27] <blahboybaz> I will check that out ty
[21:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> well..
[21:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> what version of ubuntu are you on?
[21:32] <blahboybaz> NoImNotNineVolt: I'm on 20.04 LTS (standard version not any "flavor"). Some of what is being discussed at that link is a bit technical (package names and dependencies and whatnot). I'm sturggling to follow whether its appliicable to me
[21:32] <kostkon> blahboybaz, for starters, could you provide the output of apt policy gimp
[21:32] <kostkon> !paste
[21:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> `dpkg -l libgegl-0.4-0 | tail -n 1 | cut -c1-2` should output "ii" if libgegl-0.4-0 is installed, which it should be, as it's listed as a dependency for gimp in focal (20.04)
[21:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/gimp
[21:33] <blahboybaz> one moment please...
[21:36] <blahboybaz> NoImNotNineVolt: https://dpaste.org/a8QFj
[21:37] <blahboybaz> ^ thats what I get
[21:38] <blahboybaz> seems as if the package is not installed but I can't imagine why - since I've been using gimp fine until now (as recetly as a month or six weeks ago I guess)
[21:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay that's not the gimp that's in the ubuntu 20.04 repo is it :P
[21:38] <blahboybaz> I'm not sure
[21:38] <blahboybaz> I may have installed it via a 3rd party repo
[21:38] <kostkon> blahboybaz, you are using a version that's provided by a third party PPA
[21:39] <blahboybaz> So what should I do? Just install the needed library and be good to go?
[21:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> in this situation you usually get a "seek support from said third party" type of response :P
[21:39] <kostkon> blahboybaz, I guess if you are after a somewhat up-to-date version of Gimp, installing the snap version would be a safer way of going about it
[21:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> assuming you're as familiar with snaps as you are with dpkg
[21:40] <blahboybaz> kostkon: What would that entail? Removing the 3rd party ppa, purging gimp, and then installing gimp with snap?
[21:41] <kostkon> blahboybaz, or maybe installing the snap version right now and giving it a test drive, both versions can coexists, in theory
[21:41] <blahboybaz> I'm really not great with sys admin (dpkg, and so on) - that's why I come for help. Its just not my forte
[21:42] <blahboybaz> kostkon: If I were to do that then what ensures that it is the smap version being launched (by clicking the icon in the launcher or by other means)?
[21:42] <ogra> they can coexist just fine (they do here for me (on 22.04 though), the prob is the icons are the same 🙂
[21:42] <NoImNotNineVolt> if libgegl-0.4.0 isn't installed at all, maybe it's just the packaging is broken on this gimp you've installed.
[21:43] <blahboybaz> I don't have any reserve for removing the existing gimp so maybe I'll try that
[21:43] <kostkon> blahboybaz, what ogra said, try cboth icons ;)
[21:43] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, maybe just manually marking libgegl-0.4-0 for installation would be sufficient?
[21:43] <NoImNotNineVolt> e.g. `sudo apt install libgegl-0.4.0` and try again after?
[21:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> i don't think libgegl changed between gimp 2.10.18 and 2.10.34, but i could be wrong.
[21:44] <blahboybaz> NoImNotNineVolt: I would like to try manually installing libgegl is that just by `sudo apt install libgegl-0.4-0` ?
[21:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> blahboybaz: yea. if it doesn't help you can just remove it after. although it's weird that it was working before. it shouldn't have been working without libgegl :P
[21:44] <blahboybaz> I ask for clarification bc I'm uncertain about commands / procedures for things I rarely do
[21:45] <blahboybaz> NoImNotNineVolt: yes, I find this situation strange as well
[21:45] <blahboybaz> I'll see what instaling the lib gets me
[21:47] <blahboybaz> Is there some requirement to `source` anything or to reload (so to speak) anything?
[21:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> looks like this is ppa also has newer libgegl builds, etc
[21:47] <blahboybaz> after the installation I mean
[21:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> there shouldn't be... a shared object (.so) is dynamically loaded at runtime.
[21:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> so if `gimp` in a terminal gives you the same error as before...
[21:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> maybe installing libgegl-0.4-0_0.4.42-1build1~ubuntu2004 from the same repo would give you better results?
[21:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> but at a certain point i'd be wondering what's wrong with this PPA's packaging of gimp that the correct dependencies aren't being installed.
[21:52] <blahboybaz> When manually installing the libgegl lib other libs are also installed along with it:  https://dpaste.org/4BHAR  the problem remains unresolved (gimp does not launch)  BUT  the output given when running `gimp` on the command line is similar but now involving a different lib. I'm wondering if some larger package was removed or changed that contained those libs and cuased this effect?
[21:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, taking a step back, are there features in newer version of gimp that you need?
[21:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> the easy solution here is to blow away this 3rd party gimp and run the ancient version that's in the focal repo :P
[21:53] <kostkon> !ppapurge
[21:54] <kostkon> hopefully ppa-purge is still a thing, the factoid looks to be ancient
[21:54] <blahboybaz> NoImNotNineVolt: yes that probably is best and would be fine for me (I don't use gimp for much or very often). I guess I've let my curiousity get the better of me. I will work that (easier) soln
[21:55] <blahboybaz> kostkon: purging the ppa is the only thing I'm still a bit uncertain about. I'm guessing that `sudo apt install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp` is the thing to run?
[21:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> i guess snaps are supposed to make this type of stuff easier...
[21:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> but i don't like using tools that i don't understand, and i've invested zero effort into understanding how snapd works.
[21:56] <kostkon> blahboybaz, if that's what the how-to says then yes
[21:57] <blahboybaz> kostkon: It comes from https://askubuntu.com/questions/1244868/libgegl-0-4-0-package-upgrade-problem  (which isn't precisely a how to on purging a ppa). No biggie I think I can handle it if I have to look it up
[21:59] <kostkon> blahboybaz, i guess yours is ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/gimp ?
[22:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> seems to be a popular ppa
[22:03] <kostkon> NoImNotNineVolt, by a popular (and still active, a rare thing these days) blog it seems
[22:04] <blahboybaz> kostkon: I JUST found that out with `grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | grep gimp`. I thought I saw something about that in a forum but not seeing it now. I'm just gonna purge and reinstall it and go from there
[22:05] <kostkon> blahboybaz, ok
[22:21] <blahboybaz> After purging gimp and reinstalling it I'm back to square one (gimp wont launch / same ouput about libgegl on the command line). Are any of https://dpaste.org/jrAzS things that can be removed? Seeing the ending of some of those lines makes me think they are default repositories that you need to have. Also I'm haivng a hard time understanding how something called a handbook (eg: ubuntuhandbook1 in the
[22:21] <blahboybaz> string) could be connected with installing a package. A "handbook" is a handbook (by definition) - what does that have to do with installing gimp?
[22:22] <blahboybaz> I'm guessing that removing the entries shown in that paste and then purging / reinstalling gimp may be what is needed? But not if those repos are necessary on my system
[22:25] <ravage> blahboybaz: if you installed any packages after you purged them before remove them again
[22:25] <ravage> then "sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntuhandbook1-ubuntu-gimp-focal.list /root"
[22:25] <ravage> "sudo apt update"
[22:26] <ravage> "sudo apt install gimp"
[22:48] <blahboybaz> ravage: Sorry for the delay I had a call come in. By `sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntuhandbook1-ubuntu-gimp-focal.list /root` is that just to move the file out of path? So then if things work out I should delete it later?
[22:49] <ravage> right
[22:49] <blahboybaz> kk.. I'll try
[22:52] <blahboybaz> ravage: think that path needs to end with a forward slash doent it?
[22:52] <ravage> you can add one
[22:54] <blahboybaz> ravage: YEah.. that looks worse (worse sitch now).  After moving the file out of path, purging gimp, then (attempting to) install gimp I get: https://dpaste.org/Y9DWp
[22:55] <ravage> and you did the apt update?
[22:56] <blahboybaz> ravage: yes
[22:57] <ravage> sudo apt remove  --purge libgimp2.0 gimp-data
[22:57] <blahboybaz> https://dpaste.org/wi3RR
[22:59] <ravage> did you run the remove command?
[23:00] <blahboybaz> ravage: yes - problem solved! Gimp does launch. Should I now remove `ubuntuhandbook1-ubuntu-gimp-focal.list` from root?
[23:00] <ravage> yep
[23:00] <blahboybaz> ravage: sweet!
[23:01] <blahboybaz> thanks so much for your help
[23:01] <ravage> yw