[06:44] <Bebef> Hello \o
[06:49] <Bebef> Are old (LTS) releases removed from the mirror(s) at a given time? Looking at a mirror that has trusty and even older releases still available, but I'm not sure if that's a general thing or just this mirror.
[06:52] <Berge> Bebef: They are.
[06:53] <Berge> Bebef: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ has an archive for old releases
[06:53] <Berge> And http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ for apt repos
[06:58] <Bebef> Berge: Thanks. Is there a rule for the removal? Something like "may get removed the day after the EOL date" or something the like?
[07:00] <Berge> Bebef: hm
[07:01] <Berge> Bebef: Do you mean releases, or archive?
[07:02] <Berge> I'm not with Canonical, and I don't know if there's a set policy
[07:02] <Bebef> Releases. So basically, when will "apt install" cease to work.
[07:02] <Berge> That's archive, not releases (-:
[07:02] <Fluor> That's archive ;)
[07:02] <Fluor> also, a mirror could choose not to run --delete, right?
[07:02] <Fluor> if their storage is endless?
[07:02] <Berge> Bebef: In general, I wouldn't bet on availability for non-supported versions
[07:03] <Berge> Fluor: It could, of course
[07:03] <Berge> But that's not what Bebef's asking
[07:03] <Fluor> True.
[07:03] <Bebef> Yes, that's what I've thought too. I was looking for something like a documented policy as "hard evidence", but I'll take what I can get ;)
[07:04] <Berge> Bebef: Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
[07:04] <Bebef> *sigh* Arguments against management.
[07:04] <Berge> ah
[07:05] <Berge> On our mirror (http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/dists/), it seems all LTSes are still there, even Trusty
[07:05] <Berge> Which went out of support in like 2019
[07:10] <Berge> Bebef: Hang around here, perhaps someone from Caninocal can give you an answer regarding policy
[07:12] <Bebef> Allright, will do, thanks :)
[07:20] <barryprice> not sure if it's written down anywhere, so this isn't a policy as such, but generally archive support us kept around until LTS+ESM support expires for a given series
[07:20] <barryprice> trusty ESM is still good until I believe April 2024 which is why that's still around
[07:21] <barryprice> once a series is moved to old-releases you can repoint /etc/apt/sources.list there to keep using it, but that's obviously not a great idea for general use
[07:22] <Berge> LTS is the way to go for long-term support, obvoiusly
[07:48] <barryprice> yup, so it is April 2024 for trusty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[07:49] <barryprice> so you can expect it to be moved to old-releases not long after then
[07:50] <barryprice> "End of Life" is the relevant metric, not "End of Standard Support"
[07:51] <barryprice> so kinetic will probably disappear next month (EOL this month), lunar in February (EOL January), and trusty next August or so
[07:52] <barryprice> but we'll obviously add new releases in that period as well including an LTS next April, if this is about capacity planning
[19:54] <sarnold> I don't think there's a set schedule for moving releases from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com. It's usually a month or two to provide some wiggle-room for people to easily do-release-upgrade from an unsupported release to a supported release, but they do eventually get moved