[15:37] <jrwren> https://stgraber.org/2023/07/10/time-to-move-on/
[15:37] <jrwren> part of that canonical takes LXD from linuxcontainers.org ^
[15:37] <cmaloney> Yeah, I wondered how long that would be
[15:37] <cmaloney> "It’s a bit of a bittersweet moment leaving a company after you’ve invested so much of your time into it, but I believe that now was the right time for me. As I’ve told colleagues and upper management, Canonical isn’t the company I excitedly joined back in 2011 and it’s not a company that I would want to join today, therefore it shouldn’t be a company that I keep working for
[15:37] <cmaloney> either."
[15:38] <cmaloney> Honestly in 2008 I would have likely sold part of my soul to work for Canonical
[15:38] <jrwren> I heard that canonical considers LXD a failed open source project.
[15:38] <jrwren> because it failed to get many/any outside contribs.
[15:38] <cmaloney> What the ever loving fuck?
[15:38] <jrwren> but then, aren't ALL canonical projects failed in that sense?
[15:38] <cmaloney> It _just_ _works_
[15:38] <jrwren> juju certainly.
[15:38] <jrwren> upstart for sure.
[15:39] <cmaloney> I love LXD. I fired Virtualbox in favor of LXD
[15:39] <jrwren> yup, LXD is great.
[15:40] <jrwren> yeah, 2008 was probably peek canonical.
[15:40] <jrwren> i worked there Jul 2014 - Jun 2017 and it was good.
[15:40] <jrwren> but I've lasted longer at Cisco ;) 
[15:42] <cmaloney> https://stgraber.org/2023/07/10/time-to-move-on/#comment-529277
[15:42] <cmaloney> Mark Shuttleworth needs to be given a busybox to control
[15:43] <cmaloney> because frankly he's an inept, frustrated, Steve Jobs wannabe
[15:43] <jrwren> lol. he used to be so great though! He was going to save us! ;) 
[15:44] <cmaloney> Never trust any white person from South Africa with a messiah complex.
[15:45] <jrwren> LMAO true
[15:46] <cmaloney> Well, I look for the enshittification of my workflow, much like what happened with Ubuntu One's "I'm a Dropbox" era.
[15:46] <cmaloney> though I blame them trying to scale CouchDB to thousands of users.
[15:46] <cmaloney> with not-so-great connections
[15:47] <Mooncairn> Time to move to Debian? lol
[15:47] <jrwren> it has always been private, so I can't really tell, but I feel like it has always been a loss or break even company. It isn't like Mark needs the money.
[15:47] <jrwren> He's been flirting with cash flow for 2 decades now.
[15:47] <jrwren> You get weird decisions as a result.
[15:47] <jrwren> CouchDB was terrible.
[15:47] <jrwren> They are still Ceph lovers AFAICT, which is terrible.
[15:48] <cmaloney> Thing is it's not like they do necessarily _bad_ things, but more like just different for the sake of being different
[15:48] <cmaloney> like some weird pied piper dragging folks over a cliff
[15:48] <jrwren> Luckily, ubuntu is still largely community driven, it is still better than debian for a few thing.
[15:48] <jrwren> yes, they have a lot of NIH
[15:49] <cmaloney> yeah, though I wonder what sort of NIH they're going to foist on the imutable snap desktop
[15:49] <cmaloney> since it seems they're trying to chase Fedora over that cliff
[15:49] <cmaloney> I know JOrge has a complete crush on immutable cloud desktops but I remain skeptical
[15:50] <cmaloney> much like I was skeptical of the Ubuntu Phone because not even SABDFL has that kind of cash to massage the FCC.
[15:50] <cmaloney> nor the patience
[15:50] <cmaloney> and by FCC I mean the telecoms that run the FCC. ;)
[15:52] <cmaloney> but it seems that short-sighted decisions that ultimately harm the goodwill of the company are abundant
[15:52] <cmaloney> *cough*RedHat*cough*
[15:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: You'd appreciate this: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/07/cabaret-voltaire-welcomes-the-swifties-into-the-fold/
[15:55] <jrwren> LMAO @ the title alone
[15:55] <cmaloney> <3
[17:31] <Mooncairn> Holy crap, something deleted most of the directories under /usr/share/doc on my desktop!
[17:42] <Mooncairn> Okay, found the culprit. It was a deb with faulty packaging. Good thing I have backups.
[18:19] <jrwren> a 3rd party deb, I hope?
[18:35] <cmaloney> Ugh
[18:35] <cmaloney> Which deb?
[19:56] <Mooncairn> Yea, it was a deb created through pacstall.
[19:56] <Mooncairn> Neovim
[19:57] <Mooncairn> The build recipe used a variable that was undefined, so that instead of 'rm -rf'ing /usr/share/doc/neovim, it removed /usr/share/doc.
[19:57] <Mooncairn> That was during the dpkg uninstall script.
[19:58] <Mooncairn> In the future I'll need to inspect the scripts and the generated deb before installing anything.
[19:59] <Mooncairn> I'd rather use a PPA, but I've yet to find one that has the current stable version of neovim.
[20:05] <greg-g> I've found ppa's to be a wasteland, sadly (except in rare cases where it's maintained by some org or known group of folks)
[20:10] <jrwren> PPA are a nice dev tool, not a nice user tool.
[20:11] <Mooncairn> Is there a better way to find and install debs not maintained by Ubuntu?
[20:13] <greg-g> snaps! </sarcasm>
[20:13] <Mooncairn> lol
[21:53] <Scary_Guy> I'm pretty sure I'd like a snap from Thanos better.
[22:20] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DxNuUfUY1Q