[00:36] <Gumpsws> hello
[00:43] <Gumpsws> Q: Can I leave my Ubuntu running 24/7 safely?
[00:56] <guiverc> Gumpsws, almost all server owners will leave it on for sometimes years...
[00:57] <guiverc> I sometimes forget to turn my desktop without issue... if your hardware is good, I'd not expect any problems (I have systems that have 4 digit uptime days, not sure if I've ever got 5 digit days though)
[01:33] <topcat001> to be precise: PRIMARY, SECONDARY, and CLIPBOARD (more such atoms can be defined by an application and then can be used) are all "active" require the app to be running. Cut buffers are passive (stored inside the root window, xcutsel can get them) and will work even after the app has quit. The latter are deprecated though.
[01:33] <topcat001> I often use secondary with xclip; very handy.
[01:34] <topcat001> (because nothing automatically puts stuff in secondary, so we can save stuff there)
[02:21] <yrdsb> i only connect here for one reason
[02:21] <yrdsb> is it recommend to run photoshop 2023 on linux
[02:22] <yrdsb> i mean
[02:22] <yrdsb> should i attempt to run
[02:22] <yrdsb> photoshop 2024
[02:22] <yrdsb> *2023
[02:22] <yrdsb> on ubuntu
[02:22] <yrdsb> or any other linux distro
[02:24] <sarnold> sure, run whatever makes sense for you
[02:24] <yrdsb> so sarnold
[02:24] <yrdsb> will photoshop have any issues
[02:24] <sarnold> if buying a copy of photoshop makes more sense than running gimp or whatever, knock yourself out
[02:25] <yrdsb> on ubuntu 22.04
[02:25] <sarnold> it was horrible on windows, I can't imagine a linux port is better :)
[02:25] <yrdsb> i mean
[02:25] <yrdsb> use wine
[02:25] <yrdsb> to load it
[02:25] <sarnold> oh
[02:25] <yrdsb> will photoshop run well
[02:25] <yrdsb> on windows 11
[02:26] <yrdsb> I will forever keep windows on my main pc
[02:26] <yrdsb> and use vm for linux
[02:26] <yrdsb> bye i am never going on libera.chat again
[02:39] <oerheks> *kuch* darktable
[02:54] <newpy> is there anything like vimgenius.com for linux cli?
[02:58] <topcat001> I wish I never have to touch adobe again. Darktable is awesome.
[04:09] <Underthetable> Why hello there everyone. Does anyone know if Davinci Resolve is compatible with Ubuntu?
[04:20] <toddc> Underthetable: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve has a linux download but I did not want to register as long as it is a deb snap flatpack yes (several other may work but we would need more details)
[04:25] <Underthetable> toddc: thanks buddy!!!!!
[04:26] <Underthetable> Dear Ubuntu - pleasantly surprised by Ubuntu's relatively user friendly setup and stability so far. Good job community. :)
[05:34] <webchat93> Hello all, i'm having issues with a USB wifi dongle for my Ubuntu Server. Can anyone assist?
[05:41] <Guest95> This chat fucks
[05:41] <Guest95> does ubuntu have desktop arm?
[05:41] <Guest95> because i see some links to a different url that have desktop arm images
[05:41] <Guest95> but the official website looks like it only has arm server
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Guest95: please mind your language in the ubuntu support channel
[05:45] <Guest95> Sorry
[05:45] <ravage> webchat93: find the line in "lsusb" and paste it. maybe someone can help you with that information. your Ubuntu version is also helpful
[05:45] <ravage> \o lotuspsychje
[05:56] <alkisg> The last jammy updates broke google-chrome, it is now having image rendering issues (skia / glsl errors).
[05:56] <alkisg> Question, which of these packages could cause it? I'm suspecting linux-firmware: https://termbin.com/5mqh
[05:57] <ravage> disable hardware acc.
[05:57] <ravage> that fixes it
[05:57] <ravage> well. "fixes"
[05:59] <alkisg> ravage: indeed using LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 works around the issue, but I'd like to pinpoint the package that broke it and file a bug...
[05:59] <ravage> no idea. chromium seems fine here with the default settings :(
[05:59] <alkisg> It only happens in e.g. 20 out of 200 tested clients, not in all of them
[06:00] <ravage> a friend on mine had the problem yesterday evening too
[06:00] <alkisg> But out of these packages, which ones are involved in rendering? I guess linux-firmware could cause glsl errors?
[06:00] <ravage> but if you want any fixes from the Ubuntu side you would have to make it reproduceable in Chromium in think
[06:01] <ravage> or file the bug with Google
[06:01] <lotus|NUC> alkisg: chrome seems to work properly here, what should i test to reproduce?
[06:02] <lotus|NUC> YT plays fine
[06:02] <ravage> it think there were general rendering issues on websites too
[06:02] <alkisg> lotus|NUC: e.g. search for "flower" in google then go to the "images" tab. If half of the images are empty, you're affected
[06:02] <lotus|NUC> lets see
[06:02] <ravage> but i did not see it myself
[06:03] <lotus|NUC> alkisg: cant reproduce
[06:03] <alkisg> ravage: I think linux-firmware is advertising a glsl supported  version when it's not supported; google-chrome would be just one of the affected programs
[06:03] <ravage> webchat93: please dont PM individual people. ask your questions here
[06:03] <webchat93> sorry
[06:03] <lotus|NUC> chrome 114 test
[06:03] <alkisg> The google-chrome version hasn't changed. I'll try to revert to the previous linux-firmware and see if it fixes the issue...
[06:03] <webchat93> Hey Rav, i was able to use the wireless card during the initial install and it could see my wifi however wasn't passing traffic. I conducted the following troubleshooting post install, checked the device firmeware is showing with lsusb, edited the /etc/netplan/xx file to confirm my router details were present, checked the module is visible in
[06:03] <webchat93> lsmod. When i run ip a the device is showing however its 'DOWN'. Any ideas?
[06:04] <lotus|NUC> alkisg: my current linux-firmware; 20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.14
[06:06] <alkisg> linux-firmware:amd64 (20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.13, 20220329.git681281e4-0ubuntu3.14)
[06:06] <alkisg> I'll try to revert to 3.13 and see if it fixes the issue. Thank you both :)
[06:06] <webchat93> Disregard Rav, i uplugged and plugged back in at it works '=D
[06:14] <alkisg> This one might be related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-15/+bug/2026830
[06:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2026830 in llvm-toolchain-15 (Ubuntu) "Upgrade will break Chrome" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[06:25] <alkisg> Indeed deleting the GPUCache folder solves the issue. Maybe the llvm change caused the old cached shaders to not be accepted anymore
[06:35] <ravage> Thx. Forwarded that to my friend:)
[06:41] <catch22> How do you increase the size of /tmp in ubuntu 22.
[06:42] <catch22> The old remounting /tmp with more space doesn't work
[06:43] <alkisg> catch22: what's the output of this? grep tmp /etc/fstab
[06:43] <catch22> no /tmp
[06:44] <alkisg> catch22: and this? df -h | nc  termbin.com 9999
[06:45] <catch22> https://termbin.com/9k7o
[06:45] <catch22> its just a clean ubuntu22.04 vm
[06:46] <alkisg> catch22: well then /tmp is the same as /, it's not a separate mount point
[06:46] <alkisg> So /tmp has 77G free
[06:46] <catch22> yeah I guess so
[06:46] <alkisg> So I don't know what "remounting /tmp with more space doesn't work" means...
[06:47] <catch22> true
[06:47] <catch22> I just had a compile fail, I thought I ran out of /tmp space
[06:47] <catch22> it must be something else
[06:47] <catch22> thanks for the sanity check
[06:48] <alkisg> 👍️
[07:03] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to change compression-type for selfbuild deb packages?
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> nice find alkisg ill share the bug in -discuss
[09:24] <circle> does ubuntu have a way to create useable USB from Windows 11 install .iso ?  Someone on #windows suggested using WoeUSB from github, but I'd prefer a tool from the repositories if possible.  Apparently dd is not enough.
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> circle: try the unofficial ventoy
[09:25] <dev-student-loca> never seen this before
[09:27] <ogra> there is a snap of WoeUSB here https://snapcraft.io/woe-usb  ... but it is only in the edge channel, so might have bugs ...
[09:27] <circle> woeIsMe
[09:28] <imi> hi
[09:29] <imi> is there a directory under ~ where I can put .desktop files and expect them to show up in the launcher "menu"?
[09:29] <V3n3RiX> .local/share/applications
[09:29] <ogra> sure
[10:12] <imi> thanks
[10:58] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, the bug is not caused by espresso extension after all. It happened again. It only happens if I leave the computer a long time idle.
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: did you leave a journalctl -f open to see whats happening when your'e away?
[12:04] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, I tried it but it gets closed when the system logs off
[12:04] <Soweelj> Hi there, how're you all doing with our dear Ubuntu and its SNAPPY mood these days?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:02] <mjt0k> Hi here! I'm not a ubuntu user, but I've a ununtu question.  When ubuntu is configured to automatically check for updates (I guess this is the default?), does it report errors during fetching of (In)Release files somehow to the user?
[14:03] <mjt0k> the context is: I provide some packages for debian and ubuntu on my site.  And noticed that quite a lot of people are using experimental repository which is gone long ago, but they keep asking for the Release files.  Shuldn't something tell them it doesn't exist?
[14:05] <mjt0k> or is it all maybe like a misconfigured (or not configured) email which is supposed to be used for notifications?
[14:06] <ogra> the update manager usually shows you an error if apt update can not run even in the graphical UI ...
[14:07] <mjt0k> this is provided they run a GUI..
[14:08] <mjt0k> 181.117.202.203 - - [14/Jul/2023:15:59:02 +0300] "GET /mjt/packages/samba/ubuntu-20.04-focal/samba-4.16/Release HTTP/1.1" 404 436 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (2.0.9) non-interactive"
[14:10] <ogra> mjt0k, they should see something similar to (this is a different error, but the reporting should be similar) https://askubuntu.com/questions/1150549/what-does-the-red-icon-and-notification-in-the-panel-mean-please-and-how-can-i
[14:11] <mjt0k> yeah, this is the same on debian too (which I use).  The thing is that here, the talk's about samba which is often used on a server, which isn't necessary running any GUI
[14:14] <mjt0k> speaking of this message/notification, - a friend of mine was really scared about that one. His network dropped during one of the update checks, and it displayed an error about every failed download, so when clicking to that red icon, his whole screen was occuped by a ton of error messages with no othe controls (no links, no way to dimiss the message) available.=
[14:14] <ogra> mjt0k, well, on cmdline apt will just sows you the 404
[14:14] <mjt0k> yeah
[14:14] <ogra> *show
[14:15] <ogra> he should file a bug 😉
[14:15] <mjt0k> yeah
[14:17] <mjt0k> thank you for the info! I suspected it's quite similar
[14:18] <mjt0k> not that those attempts to grab non-existing Release files bothers me in any way, was just curious what's up :)  This repo lived for about a month and ceased to exist in Dec-2022
[14:19] <mjt0k> it's also surprizing there are so many attempts still continuing from all around the world
[15:35] <u8353v[m]> Anyone here using flameshot screenshot util?
[15:35] <u8353v[m]> Copy selection to clipboard is not working under kubuntu 23.04.
[15:35] <u8353v[m]> in ubuntu 22.04.2 it worked fine!
[15:36] <jhutchins> u8353v[m]: Report it.
[15:36] <depon> hi can someone please help me with installing different python versions?
[15:37] <jhutchins> !python
[15:37] <jhutchins> Not much there.
[15:37] <depon> i have problem installing migen ob python 3.5
[15:37] <depon> *in
[15:37] <jhutchins> !info python
[15:40] <u8353v[m]> jhutchins: 👍️
[15:40] <mjt0k> I doubt python3.5 can be installed on current systems
[15:40] <mjt0k> it's too old unsupported version which does not compile with current libs/tools
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> u8353v[m]: check if this bug #1985960 is your usecase please
[15:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1985960 in flameshot (Ubuntu) "Copy to clipboard does not work on Wayland" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1985960
[15:41] <depon> @mjt0k yes thats the problem i think
[15:41] <depon> but i need to run a code which is based on it
[15:41] <jhutchins> mjt0k: python can be managede entirely outside the official ubuntu system.
[15:41] <depon> one part of the code is python3.5 the other one 2.7 which is okay now
[15:42] <mjt0k> thinking about it again, - python is more or less self-contained, so yes, should be okay
[15:43] <mjt0k> is lunar the current release of ubuntu?
[15:43] <jhutchins> mjt0k: Developers often work in a multi-release setup.  It's a lot like java.
[15:43] <depon> yes i have lunar installed
[15:44] <depon> someone suggested me to install poetry?
[15:44] <mjt0k> well, I dunno. we upgraded our python apps to current python (3.11 right now). There was quite some resistance, like we have better things to do, but in the end it surely paid off
[15:46] <mjt0k> java is more problematic on this side, - since there's a lot of vendor closed-source apps which can't be fixed even if the fix is a one-liner
[15:46] <depon> yep i understand
[15:52] <plastikman> depon: waht do you mean by a "different version"
[15:53] <plastikman> just go download a binary from python.org and run it.
[16:05] <plastikman> depon: i just pulled down the 3.5.10 binary, ran ./configure and make
[16:05] <plastikman> it spit out a python binary that runs on my 22.04 install
[16:06] <depon> oh yea ./configure and make i did also
[16:07] <depon> downloads/m16c-interface-master/adapter python 3.5$ python3.5 top.py
[16:07] <depon> Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:07] <depon>   File "top.py", line 32, in <module>
[16:07] <depon>     from migen.genlib.fifo import SyncFIFOBuffered
[16:07] <depon> ImportError: No module named 'migen.genlib'
[16:08] <depon> python3.5 runs i would say but i dont have the migen package installed
[16:08] <depon> on python3 etc migen is installed
[16:09] <plastikman> so this is not a python issue, this is an issue with where you isntalled your packages.  install pip with your compiled python
[16:09] <plastikman> then use pip3.5 install migen
[16:10] <depon> okay thank you im also new to this
[16:10] <plastikman> ./configure --with_ensurepip=install
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> plastikman: compile python on your own is not really the ubuntu way of doing things
[16:14] <plastikman> lotuspsychje: its not any "package managed" way of doing things
[16:14] <plastikman> he is asking for a special unsupported version....sure, the right way is to install a deb
[16:14] <jhutchins> plastikman: Is there some kind of a guide that explains how to make use of python tools like pip?
[16:15] <jhutchins> lotuspsychje: What makes you think Ubuntu can't do self-builds?
[16:15] <jhutchins> lotuspsychje: It's linux.  Doing it your way is what it's about.
[16:15] <depon> my problem is when i run pip command to get migen it says that the package is installed already
[16:15] <depon> i dont know how to put it into python3.5
[16:16] <depon> so i need to install pip35 first ?
[16:16] <jhutchins> You are not limited by decisions made by the packaging team.
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> jhutchins: i didnt say ubuntu cant, i said its not really the ubuntu way; aka using the package versions meant for your ubuntu release instead of compiling your own
[16:18] <oac> depon: my guess is you need to execute pip via the python3.5 executable. So if we assume `python3.5` is your newly compiled executable, try running `python3.5 -m pip install migen`
[16:18] <oac> but `pip` probably isn't installed for python3.5 at the moment
[16:21] <depon> python3.5 -m pip install migen
[16:21] <depon> usr/local/bin/python3.5: No module named pip
[16:21] <oac> Right, not sure how to get pip installed for a locally-compiled version of python
[16:22] <oac> Ahh, it looks like you can do so at compile time
[16:23] <oac> Use the `--with-ensurepip=install` argument when running the `configure` command, then `make` and `make install`
[16:23] <Betelgeuse> HI
[16:23] <plastikman> oac: but you likely need the openssl-devel installed
[16:23] <plastikman> as pip needs ssl support
[16:28] <jhutchins> Isn't there some sort of standard script to enable easy swapping of python environments?
[16:28] <rbox> pyenv
[16:28] <oac> There's virtualenv, but not sure if that is meant to change between python versions, just modules
[16:29] <plastikman> venv will work so long as you install multiple versions
[16:30] <u8353v[m]> Is there difference between:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/627412c6214d37bb55107ee6166c4464f0e20f66>)
[16:31] <rbox> u8353v[m]: they both work?
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[16:31] <u8353v[m]> rbox: yes!
[16:31] <rbox> u8353v[m]: the command is autoremove... doesnt matter where you put the arguments
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[16:32] <rbox> dont gotta keep editing the same thing over and over again
[16:33] <u8353v[m]> rbox: sorry 🤭
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[16:42] <nvmd> anyone else on nvidia gpus with the 535 driver had their installation nuked by the latest kernel updates?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: could you pastebin what happened exactly in your system, so the volunteers can help you best
[16:46] <ruser> nvmd: how do you mean? i have 2060 supra, running wsl
[16:46] <ruser> s/supra/super/
[16:51] <nvmd> running 23.04 with the 535 proprietary driver, during the update to the 6.2.0-25 kernel, apparently there were a few issues, and when I rebooted, it apparently could only boot with the nouveau
[16:55] <nvmd> booting with the previous kernels (the other ones listed by grub) doesn't work
[16:58] <rbox> then it has nothing to do with the kernel update
[16:59] <nvmd> I must've reinstalled the system at least 5 times yesterday, and had issues ranging from the new installer crashing during timezone selection or username and password filling, other versions of the driver also not working, and some promp for something UEFI related if I chose to install drivers along with the installation
[17:00] <enyc> nvmd: o dear
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: checkout your dmesg, journal logs or dpkg logs and share any found issues in a !paste to the channel
[17:01] <nvmd> I'm running nouveau now, and I'm in work, not really up to risk breaking this installation just yet
[17:02] <rbox> sounds like you've got some major hardware issues...
[17:02] <nvmd> I don't think that's the case.
[17:04] <nvmd> I'd say I put more stress on my rig running windows, due to gaming, so I think I'd have noticed if something was going on.. not that that proves anything, but yeah..
[17:05] <nvmd> lotuspsychje: thanks for the tips.. I'll look for that later today when I resume the tests..
[17:14] <vershan> n OpenSSL vulnerability has recently been fixed with USN-6188-1 & 6119-1:
[17:14] <vershan> # CVE-2023-2650: possible DoS translating ASN.1 object identifiers.
[17:14] <vershan> # Ensure you have updated the package to its latest version.
[17:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue summary: Processing some specially crafted ASN.1 object identifiers or data containing them may be very slow. Impact summary: Applications that use OBJ_obj2txt() directly, or use any of the OpenSSL subsystems OCSP, PKCS7/SMIME, CMS, CMP/CRMF or TS with no message size limit may experience notable to very long delays when processing those messages, which may lead to a D... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-2650>
[17:14] <vershan> any ideas on what must i do to fic this
[17:14] <rbox> wait for ubuntu to push an updated package
[17:15] <jhutchins> Is the target driver set up for dkms?
[17:15] <ravage> vershan: https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-2650
[17:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue summary: Processing some specially crafted ASN.1 object identifiers or data containing them may be very slow. Impact summary: Applications that use OBJ_obj2txt() directly, or use any of the OpenSSL subsystems OCSP, PKCS7/SMIME, CMS, CMP/CRMF or TS with no message size limit may experience notable to very long delays when processing those messages, which may lead to a D... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-2650>
[17:17] <vershan> @ravage, ahh thank you
[17:30] <plastikman> depon: see your PM, but with a patch and a few changes, i have python 3.5.10 with pip3.5 running in /opt, yuo can make a venv out of it and then you can use yuor old gross python in an isolated env :)
[18:11] <nvmd> Alright, got some time to deal with the driver issue.. lotuspsychje you there?
[18:11] <nvmd> https://termbin.com/ja8px
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: you got secureboot enabled, that could possibly affect some of your hardware
[18:11] <nvmd> :/
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: try to turn that of and try again to reproduce
[18:12] <nvmd> I wasn't having any issues before, though
[18:12] <nvmd> alright
[18:12] <nvmd> one would think they'd have sorted issues with this out already considering it's a thing for quite a while now
[18:30] <nvmd> lotuspsychje: you were right, it worked.
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> !yay | nvmd
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: you might also wanna checkout if you still got gnome shell warnings in your new dmesg
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> you had a few lines needing attention
[18:31] <nvmd> such as?
[18:32] <nvmd> looking at it right now, not sure which ones I should care about
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: gnome-shell[1656]: DING: 15:00:48.1584                  Gtk[ 2429]:CRITICAL: _gtk_css_corner_value_get_x: assertion 'corner->class == &GTK_CSS_VALUE_CORNER' failed
[18:32] <nvmd> hm
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: nome-shell[1656]: Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym 31 with keysym 31 (keycode a)
[18:34] <nvmd> Haven't found those on the new install yet, but found a couple other so far
[18:35] <nvmd> gnome-shell[1678]: Error looking up permission: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.NotFound: No entry for geolocation
[18:35] <nvmd> gnome-shell[1678]: JS ERROR: Gio.IOErrorEnum: GDBus.Error:net.reactivated.Fprint.Error.NoSuchDevice: No devices available
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: maybe it was related to something you were using at that time
[18:36] <nvmd> I just copy pasted those from the new install I'm running on
[18:37] <nvmd> the gdm-x-session error is also gone
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> nvmd: if its not repeating errors too much, its mostly sane
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> feel free to share your new dmesg when unsure
[18:38] <nvmd> gnome-shell[2381]: Failed to import DBusMenu, quicklists are not avaialble: Error: Requiring Dbusmenu, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'Dbusmenu' (any version) not found
[18:38] <nvmd> Thanks.
[18:38] <nvmd> What's the deal with the secure boot still having issues, though?
[18:38] <causative> what the heck, my firefox window won't bring another application window to the front if I click just to the edge of the firefox window on the other window. It will only switch if I click sufficiently far from the firefox window
[18:39] <causative> only seems to be an issue with the firefox window, not other apps
[18:40] <causative> also I can switch from another application, to Firefox, by clicking significantly *outside* of the Firefox window
[18:40] <causative> 22.04, anyone else notice this?
[18:46] <ravage> causative: no. all fine here
[18:57] <willem_> Can someone help me debug my bluetooth issue?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> details | willem_
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> !details
[18:59] <willem_> I am switching to a new laptop ThinkPad Z13, I am coming from an IdeaPad5, and in bluetoothctl it looks exactly the same. I can pair the headset, and it will connect. It then does not show up in the audio devices. It also loses connection relatively quickly.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> willem_: are you using gnomes BT or did you use blueman?
[19:00] <willem_> I switched to pipewire as the audio backend, as I read that it should work better with bluetooth devices, but no luck yet. I am on Ubuntu 22.04 by the way.
[19:00] <willem_> lotuspsychje: I am using gnomes BT
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> willem_: try blueman, thats usualy pretty stable for testing and see if you can still reproduce
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> !info blueman
[19:03] <willem_> lotuspsychje: it connects and then disconnects after a bit. It does not show up as a device
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> willem_: could you open a journalctl -f and connect your device from scratch, see if we can catch errors in a !paste ?
[19:15] <willem_> lotuspsychje: This error might be interesting: jul 14 21:15:13 ThinkPad-Z13 bluetoothd[1987]: profiles/audio/avdtp.c:cancel_request() Discover: Connection timed out (110)
[19:17] <plt2> I am having a issue and vanish will not start https://pastebin.com/rS5rLhrC
[19:18] <rbox> that output appears to be cut off
[19:19] <plt2> That is all I got
[19:20] <plt2> What happened no one use if file exist command any more
[19:22] <willem_> lotuspsychje: and maybe this one: jul 14 21:22:01 ThinkPad-Z13 bluetoothd[1987]: src/profile.c:ext_io_disconnected() Unable to get io data for Hands-Free Voice gateway: getpeername: Transport endpoint is not connected (107)
[19:26] <plt2> It's good to use if fileexist to check if the files is missing on all the linux programs
[19:28] <tomreyn> plt2: you have no line wrapping, copyied the screen of an editor which was cutting off lines to the right. pipe journalctl output into    nc termbin.com 9999     instead
[19:29] <plt2> What command would you like to type in?
[19:29] <tomreyn> or prefix the journalctl command with  PAGER=cat
[19:29] <plt2> Can you please tell me the full command line to type in?
[19:30] <tomreyn> journalctl -xe | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:31] <Dejavu> Hey idiots
[19:31] <Dejavu> tomreyn your mom stupid
[19:31] <plt2> https://termbin.com/hloj
[19:32] <rbox> Address already in use
[19:32] <rbox> something is alread yrunnning on port 80
[19:32] <plt2> Are you talking to me?
[19:33] <plt2> Jul 14 11:52:02 apps2.professionalsoftwaredevelopment.com varnishd[2823521]: Error: Could not get socket :80: Address already in use
[19:33] <willem_> lotuspsychje: back after my last message. I reverted pipewire changes, but in the process also removed ubuntu-gnome-desktop... but we are back :)
[19:34] <plt2> httpd is running the web server on port 80
[19:35] <rbox> well then you can't also run somethign else on port 80
[19:35] <plt2> Vanish was working before
[19:35] <rbox> well you changed soemthign
[19:35] <plt2> I did not change anything
[19:36] <plt2> Is the same of the vanish services vlc?
[19:36] <leftyfb> *varnish
[19:37] <tomreyn> it's actually called vaRnish
[19:37] <tomreyn> unless you want to make it vanish
[19:37] <plt2> Reeboot time
[19:37] <leftyfb> why?
[19:37] <plt2> I want to see if that will fix it
[19:37] <leftyfb> it won't
[19:38] <leftyfb> this isn't Windows
[19:38] <leftyfb> fix your config
[19:38] <Jennefer> leftyfb shut up dïckhead
[19:38] <plt2> I did a /find / -name varn*.* not files
[19:38] <plt2> brb
[19:38] <leftyfb> plt2: sudo lsof -i :80 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:39] <plt2> brb
[19:39] <leftyfb> do not reboot
[19:39] <leftyfb> it will not fix anything
[19:41] <plastikman> lol reboot
[19:41] <plt2> https://termbin.com/ug3i
[19:41] <leftyfb> you have a web server running on port 80
[19:42] <leftyfb> is that planned?
[19:42] <leftyfb> why do you need varnish anyway?
[19:42] <plt2> Is there any issues with that?
[19:42] <tomreyn> https://webuzo.com/docs/v2/upgrade-emps/ "Webuzo uses its own Web server stack called EMPS."
[19:42] <booteroni> Is there a way to change the base iso file to remove the hidden grub menu? I always forget to press `shift` and then it boots to the install process? I tried setting the timeout=-1 in grub.cfg but that didn't seem to work
[19:42] <plt2> It handles the backup services
[19:42] <leftyfb> no it doesn't
[19:42] <leftyfb> varnish is a caching server
[19:42] <plt2> Its using it
[19:43] <plt2> The backup services is using it
[19:43] <plastikman> if you need to use varnish, then you need to move you web services to another port
[19:43] <plt2> You know how linux is.
[19:43] <leftyfb> ok, so configure varnish to use a different port
[19:43] <plt2> ok. bbl
[19:48] <plastikman> plt2: something changed on your system.  maybe after an update a configuration file changed.  I would look at what port you expect your web server to run on then look at waht port you expect varnish to run on.
[19:49] <plastikman> if you expect that all trafic comes into yuor system via varnish, then it shuold be listening on port 80 (shuold be 443, use TLS) on the outside interface, then your web server shuold be listening on the specified port bound to localhost
[19:57] <causative> hmmmm I am trying to set up rdp via vino and it isn't working. I can't connect to localhost:3389 using remmina rdp
[20:03] <causative> remmina just says "Cannot connect to the "localhost" RDP server"
[20:03] <causative> I've set up the server in settings, in the Sharing section, just turning on the Remote Desktop slider
[20:04] <causative> is anything else necessary?
[20:05] <causative> it does work if I do vnc instead
[20:05] <causative> but I'd like to try rdp for the sound
[20:07] <causative> I guess even vnc is unusable too because it prompts me on the vnc server desktop with a popup to accept before it will allow the remote to connect, and there's no option to not have that popup
[20:08] <plt2> I can develop a application for linux using xojo and it use pretty much everything within the develop env without using a lot of extra lib files
[20:10] <causative> and wayland sort of broke x11vnc which I was using previously. Guess I'll try turning off wayland
[20:13] <causative> ah, and turning off wayland made rdp also start working. Moral of the story is, ubuntu 22.04 doesn't really support wayland yet.
[20:14] <causative> turning off wayland also fixed that minor bug I mentioned about clicking just outside the firefox window
[20:37] <booteroni> Is there an easy way to enable the grub prompt on the ubuntu server live iso?
[21:12] <jeremy31> booteroni:  press c at the grub menu, I think that works
[21:14] <booteroni> jeremy31: yes I can do that but I tried changing the `/boot/grub/grub.cfg` to `set timeout=60` and `set timeout_style=menu` and it still just shows a blank screen with the accessibility icon and nothing else. I'd prefer not to have to press `c`
[21:15] <jeremy31> booteroni: You can't change that on an ISO, it is read only
[21:15] <booteroni> I modified it and rebuilt the iso with the updated file
[21:17] <booteroni> jeremy31: I am extracting the iso with `7z` and then then modifying the file and then creating it with `xorriso`
[21:18] <jeremy31> I would try cubic and see if that works
[21:58] <avi> http://localhost:4000/
[21:58] <avi> http://localhost:4000/
[21:59] <leftyfb> avi: wrong window
[21:59] <Alesha> Chat telnet dchub.one 3456 ; http://explorer.net.ru:8080/temp/telnet%20chat.png
[21:59] <leftyfb> Alesha: no
[22:00] <oerheks> :-)
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