[21:39] <johang> have you guys considered changing the kernel packages to not depend on linux-firmware and instead suggest or recommend linux-firwmare? linux-firmware is something like 900 MB.
[21:45] <JanC> johang: ideally there would also be a way to only download firmwares you actually need  :)
[21:46] <johang> yeah, imagine that
[21:47] <JanC> and I think it's 950 MiB by now, probably going to break the 1 GiB barrier soon
[21:48] <JanC> you'd still need the whole bunch on install media, of course  :-/
[21:53] <johang> not really sustainable. split in linux-firmware-{gpu,wlan,video,other} maybe?
[21:54] <johang> when I build a minimal ubuntu image for my embedded board, linux-firmware is more than half of the image.
[21:57] <JanC> splitting it up into 4 packages isn't very useful if you need 1 firmware from each of them...
[22:04] <johang> if would be useful if split into more than 4.
[22:06] <jeremy31> I think Debian has some split by vendor
[22:07] <sarnold> ubuntu tries to keep disks useful enough if you move them from one computer to another; I doubt there'll be much enthusiasm to split the package apart
[22:08] <johang> also in debian the firmware packages are only "rec" and not "dep".
[22:11] <JanC> I don't think splitting up the packages makes sense when you want to (or have to) install them all anyway, but OTOH having a way to use Ubuntu on small disks does makes sense (even if that means you can't move such disks to another computer--they might not be removable anyway...)
[22:13] <sarnold> apply more soldering iron? :) hehe