[08:22] <Tm_T> ikmaak: I recall they silently disappeared 2016/2017
[08:23] <Tm_T> my memory isn't the best so need try find sources
[08:23] <ikmaak> thanks! i would like to find more info about that.
[08:24] <ikmaak> at the time i even tried to get my hands on one...
[08:25] <Tm_T> "sold out" 2016? https://web.archive.org/web/20160128110152/http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[08:25] <ikmaak> i wonder if they sold a lot of them, and to whom :)
[08:29] <Tm_T> I don't personally recall anyone buying one, maaaybe one pro 5 buyer but only maybe
[08:30] <ikmaak> i expect them to be used by businesses internally...
[08:31] <Tm_T> which would explain their disappearance, similar to openmoko neo
[08:32] <ikmaak> the openmoko was used by some oil companies if i recollect correctly
[08:36] <ikmaak> which would correlate with the markets the meizu devices were sold.
[08:44] <Tm_T> key difference was with Openmoko that it was (mostly) open hardware so you could use it as a base board for wide range of custom applications
[08:44] <Tm_T> the Neo Freerunner case even had space left for additional sensors for that purpose
[08:45] <ikmaak> ow? i did not know that. i would need to get them out of the drawer again to look... :)
[08:49] <ikmaak> hmm, i seem to remember something about it, but haven't played with it in a while.
[08:55] <ikmaak> also, does anyone know if the fairphones are sold with ubports preinstalled, or are they libhybris devices that need self install?
[08:57] <ikmaak> on the fairphone site i can see no mention of ubports preinstalled
[08:57] <ikmaak> on the model 4 at least
[09:01] <ikmaak> i cannot find any info about fairphone selling preinstalled ubports
[09:05] <ikmaak> and all fairphones also seem to be halium devices, is that correct?