[08:22] ikmaak: I recall they silently disappeared 2016/2017 [08:23] my memory isn't the best so need try find sources [08:23] thanks! i would like to find more info about that. [08:24] at the time i even tried to get my hands on one... [08:25] "sold out" 2016? https://web.archive.org/web/20160128110152/http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices [08:25] i wonder if they sold a lot of them, and to whom :) [08:29] I don't personally recall anyone buying one, maaaybe one pro 5 buyer but only maybe [08:30] i expect them to be used by businesses internally... [08:31] which would explain their disappearance, similar to openmoko neo [08:32] the openmoko was used by some oil companies if i recollect correctly [08:36] which would correlate with the markets the meizu devices were sold. [08:44] key difference was with Openmoko that it was (mostly) open hardware so you could use it as a base board for wide range of custom applications [08:44] the Neo Freerunner case even had space left for additional sensors for that purpose [08:45] ow? i did not know that. i would need to get them out of the drawer again to look... :) [08:49] hmm, i seem to remember something about it, but haven't played with it in a while. [08:55] also, does anyone know if the fairphones are sold with ubports preinstalled, or are they libhybris devices that need self install? [08:57] on the fairphone site i can see no mention of ubports preinstalled [08:57] on the model 4 at least [09:01] i cannot find any info about fairphone selling preinstalled ubports [09:05] and all fairphones also seem to be halium devices, is that correct?