[00:02] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: I'd say lowlatency is good for most pro audio purposes, hence it being default in Ubuntu Studio.
[00:07] <de-facto> interesting that made it unload
[00:08] <de-facto> now it loaded snd_hda_codec_generic and it offers me hdmi audio
[00:08] <de-facto> which ... works
[00:08] <de-facto> lets see if those glitches come again or not
[00:12] <fraznel> hey all, i'm trying to sleuth out what version of ubuntu is running on a remote machine in the past i've used uname -a to great effect here but this is giving me something unexpected for me. I'd expect a version number and release name (along with kernel version etc)
[00:13] <fraznel> insteand its telling me its Linux zangoose 4.15.0-156-generic #163-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 19 23:31:50 UTC 2021 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:13] <fraznel> theres no release named zangoose but i can assume this is from late 2021 (at least when it was compiled)
[00:13] <sarnold> that's a hostname
[00:13] <fraznel> i cant find any information on ubuntu's site about a kernel version or package named "zangoose" i do get a lot of pokemon references though
[00:13] <sarnold> lsb_release -a usually works
[00:14] <oerheks> 4.15 is bionic era
[00:14] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/linux
[00:14] <sarnold> yeah here we are .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.15.0-156.163
[00:15] <fraznel> oh geez, thanks ,i've been using a bad command for that all along, never tried lsb_release, is that a binary thats usually built along with the kernel or a utility ubuntu usually includes
[00:15] <sarnold> even if that machine has livepatch configured, we haven't produced any patches for a kernel that old for a year. that machine needs a reboot into a newer kernel.
[00:16] <sarnold> fraznel: it's from the lsb-release package, which is standard on ubuntu, but not always on other distributions. so its utility is a bit limited, but handy when you've got an ubuntu on hand
[00:16]  * sarnold all hands on board
[00:16] <fraznel> yeah, i don't have control over it. its a host sitting in some vfx shop somewhere, i gotta get a set of libtorch libraries compiled for it. I got the linker version but dropped it on finding the ubuntu version
[00:17] <fraznel> vfx shops surprise me, their other option, i don't even know what kernel they are using or os but they have some image that uses cuda 10.2 still in production
[00:18] <fraznel> sarnold, thanks again! I'll try getting them to run lsb_release -a
[00:18] <fraznel> and of also thanks oerheks :)
[00:20] <de-facto> how can i have hdmi audio ... working without snd_hda_codec_hdmi  ?
[00:21] <sarnold> fraznel: if you really have to compile for bionic, you can probably get there pretty easy with lxd; something like sudo snap install lxd ; sudo lxd init ; lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 u18 ; lxc shell u18
[00:21] <fraznel> de-facto, you checking modules loaded or also things compiled in
[00:21] <sarnold> de-facto: maybe your system is haunted? heh
[00:22] <de-facto> i mean i am happy if things work without glitches ... so far
[00:22] <de-facto> i leave it like this to observe
[00:23] <fraznel> sarnold, its all foobar'd by nvidia, they need a cuda 11.6 capable version, afaik the only way to link against the cuda toolkit is to have an actual cuda capable machine set up but would love a way around that :), i only have amd setups at home so I always end up grabbing a cloud machine or requesting a build box for these things
[00:23] <Eickmeyer> de-facto: Or, don't look a gift horse in the mouth? But just know that what you did is, in fact, dangerous as topcat001 said.
[00:23] <de-facto> yes i decided to do it on my own risk
[00:24] <de-facto> i want to find out more and learn
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> Well, this isn't exactly a discussion chat. For that there's #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:24] <de-facto> its about finding out a solution for a problem i experience on ubuntu
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> Right, which is done.
[00:25] <de-facto> i just wanted to report back the progress, will observe now for a few days
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> de-facto: Right, we don't report back on that here.
[00:25] <de-facto> i do
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines | de-facto
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> !support | de-facto
[00:26] <de-facto> yes its about support on ubuntu about my audio issue
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> de-facto: But you have the solution to your problem. The rest is irrellevant to this channel.
[00:27] <de-facto> the task is to understand what is happening so maybe I can collect enough info for a bugreport
[00:27] <Eickmeyer> Then report the bug, not here.
[00:27] <Eickmeyer> !bug
[00:28] <de-facto> tell me which code of conduct did you think i did not honor?
[00:28] <wkmango> de-facto, an inexperienced user unloading kernel modules thinking that you know what you're doing is pretty stupid
[00:28] <wkmango> just call it a day
[00:29] <de-facto> i always stay on the issue, others maybe not. i am done here
[01:14] <foo> In the tiny chance someone is familiar with caddy/sirtunnel (ngrok alternative): https://github.com/anderspitman/SirTunnel - I've got this all working, except I can't run it with nginx on the same server (which also uses port 80). Getting this error: admin.api       request error   {"error": "loading new config: http app module: start: tcp: listening on :80: listen tcp :80: bind: address already in use",
[01:14] <foo> "status_code": 500} ... I can't seem a way to change the default port 80 with caddy (which sirtunnel uses). Curious if someone else see's something I don't here.
[01:15] <topcat001> de-facto: If your TV has HDMI-CEC then try also turning that off.
[01:18] <de-facto> it has that, and i can disable that, but i think i leave it on for now with the changed modules
[01:18] <foo> Actually, I may have figured it out... seems this is used for an auto HTTP -> HTTPS redirect.
[01:19] <de-facto> thanks topcat001 i will try this later with the orig module the more i can find out the better
[01:21] <sarnold> foo: there's some --listen parameters throughout https://caddyserver.com/docs/command-line -- you might be able to edit the script to to launch caddy on another port
[01:21] <foo> sarnold: hey, thank you. I really appreciate you taking a look. Spent a few hours trying to change this, will see what I can find with that. I have adjusted the listening port but it seems to be different - it's not HTTP listening, it's the daemon listening. eg. I've chagned it here: https://github.com/anderspitman/SirTunnel/blob/master/caddy_config.json#L6 - it's possible this is different, will double check
[01:22] <foo> what you're suggesting
[01:23] <sarnold> foo: heh yeah I was very surprised to not spot an '80' in that file :)
[01:23] <foo> sarnold: :)
[01:58] <foo> sarnold: gah, I think this is what I want: https://caddyserver.com/docs/json/apps/http/servers/automatic_https/ - but I can't seem to set it in the json file.
[01:58] <foo> I want to disable that, that's why it's listening on port 80
[01:58]  * foo continues digging
[01:59] <sarnold> it'd be handy if this thing would have a button to spit out a config blob..
[01:59] <sarnold> I never hand-write json so it doesn't come naturally to me, anyway
[02:01] <foo> sarnold: Same. https://bpa.st/XXQA is what I have.
[02:02] <foo> sarnold: https://caddyserver.com/docs/json/ example of config
[02:02] <foo> I wonder if I can set the http_port here *tries that instead
[02:03] <sarnold> foo: that sure *looks* like it ought to work .. try handing that file to caddy alone, and see what it does?
[02:03] <foo> sarnold: ok, I think this http_port worked... checks*
[02:03] <foo> sarnold: well I'll be darn. Simply your presence helped me solve this. Grateful for your willingness to support... thank you. :)
[02:03] <foo> sarnold: ... got it.
[02:04] <sarnold> irc is like that :)
[02:04] <sarnold> ask for help, and it goes away..
[02:05] <Bashing-om> sarnold's magic aura does it again :D
[02:05] <sarnold> foo: did you set it to something like 1000? :)
[02:07] <foo> sarnold: 8844 :) I don't care for the HTTP -> HTTPS redirect
[02:07] <foo> Bashing-om: srsly.
[02:07] <sarnold> oh that's a pleasing port number :)
[02:07] <sarnold> I'm moderately annoyed by the http -> https redirects, but begrudgingly understand hem
[02:08]  * foo nods
[02:40] <foo> ok, I got this working. Now, in a perfect world, the ssh user I'm setting up can *only* run this python script ... eg. ssh -tR 11111:localhost:8888 louie-tunnel ./sirtunnel.py name.local.domain.com 11111 ... but I'm not sure how simple that is to set up
[02:40] <Maxpm> I think that's doable in the authorized_keys file.
[02:43] <Maxpm> Something like: restrict,command="sirtunnel.py" <public key>
[02:45] <foo> Maxpm: that. would. be. awesome. I could kiss you.
[02:45] <foo> Maxpm: ... if it works.
[02:45] <foo> Maxpm: ... I'll wear PPE.
[02:45] <Maxpm> :*
[05:01] <tronic_> HGAFDS
[07:17] <PowderedChocolat> I recently learned LUKS2 is much stronger against brute-force than LUKS1, how do I determine which version of LUKS i'm using?
[07:19] <PowderedChocolat> https://tails.net/security/argon2id/
[07:25] <PowderedChocolat> I need guidance to upgrade my LUKS version from v1, to v2.
[07:25] <PowderedChocolat> https://tails.net/security/argon2id/
[07:25] <PowderedChocolat> I did a LUKSDUMP and it shows Version: 1 meaning I am probably using the less-secure PBKDF2, when Version 2 LUKS uses Argon2id. How do I upgrade? I'm using Lubuntu 22.04.2 LTS.
[07:39] <weedmic> PowderedCocholat: what does it have to do with ubuntu?
[07:39] <weedmic> ok, i c u want to upgrade
[07:40] <PowderedCocholat> I need guidance to upgrade my LUKS version from v1, to v2.
[07:40] <PowderedCocholat> https://tails.net/security/argon2id/
[07:40] <PowderedCocholat> I did a LUKSDUMP and it shows Version: 1 meaning I am probably using the less-secure PBKDF2, when Version 2 LUKS uses Argon2id. How do I upgrade? I'm using Lubuntu 22.04.2 LTS.
[07:40] <PowderedCocholat> yeah
[07:43] <nteodosio> Not an expert, but I think you will need to re-create the volume.
[07:43] <nteodosio> Alternatively, the article explains that you are secure with a very strong password. Changing that is a way easier solution if the former is correct.
[07:44] <weedmic> I believe the current form is 1.4 that is in the store - so if you want to go beyond with a unvetted version, you need to do it manually.  go to their site, download, install, etc.
[07:44] <weedmic> PowderedCocholat: ^ (forgot your name in the reply)
[07:44] <PowderedCocholat> yeah my pass is strong
[07:44] <PowderedCocholat> but I want to be using the latest and strongest, LUKS2
[07:45] <PowderedCocholat> I dont think Lubuntu GUI installer supports it by default
[07:45] <PowderedCocholat> yet
[07:45] <weedmic> as stated, I believe it is 1.4
[07:45] <PowderedCocholat> what is? Lubuntus LUKS version?
[07:45] <PowderedCocholat> Luksdump says Version: 1
[07:48] <weedmic> i searched muon for luks, and chose "bruteforce-luks", says version 1.4
[07:49] <weedmic> don't have dump w regard to luks (or is it regards - english is so difficult).
[07:59] <PowderedCocholat> ty
[09:23] <cousteau> Morning
[09:25] <cousteau> I'm connected to a Ubuntu machine via xrdp, through a VPN, over a slow connection (dunno what the hell is wrong with this machine's connection but it's slow as hell).  In short, Ubuntu runs very slow.  Is there a way to make the desktop environment more fluid / more remote desktop friendly?
[09:25] <cousteau> Ubuntu 20.04 with the default desktop environment (I think it's Gnome 3)
[09:26] <cousteau> Alternatively I could install XFCE or another lightweight desktop environment
[09:26] <cousteau> But if there's a way to make the default DE "simpler", that'd be preferable
[09:34] <cousteau> For example, in XFCE, I'm able to select between turning desktop composition on and off (this will basically switch between a "plain" WM, Metacity I think, and a HW accelerated one with some animations and transparencies and shadows).  Not sure if there's a similar option in Gnome.
[09:47] <ogra> cousteau, there is no such mode anymore in GNOME, it is 100% compositor based ... but that should not reaally cause slowness over RDP or VNC ... (it surely would via something like XDMCP)
[09:51] <esarin> helloooo
[10:04] <cousteau> ogra: well, the more animations and shades the desktop has, the less the video can be compressed before being sent, and the slower the remote desktop transmission will be
[10:04] <cousteau> Basically, whenever there's an animation, the remote desktop feels unresponsive
[10:05] <cousteau> Back in the day I had a great deal of success on a slow machine by simply changing the window theme to a simple one (I think this was before desktop animations were a thing, or at least something enabled by default)
[10:05] <cousteau> Hm, maybe I can tell the xrdp server to compress video more aggressively
[10:06] <footprints> you can turn the animations off with gnome-tweak
[10:08] <weedmic> cousteau: you can install any DE you like.
[10:13] <cousteau> weedmic: I know, that was plan B
[10:13] <cousteau> (now, telling xrdp to use that DE is another thing...)
[10:14] <weedmic> :D plan B could also be no DE and just use cli
[10:14] <cousteau> footprints: for some reason that didn't work, some animations still seem to be performed
[10:15] <cousteau> weedmic: well, I use apps that are graphical, so that's not an option :(
[10:15] <cousteau> (maybe I could do some magic with X redirection, but that'd imply installing an X server on my local Windows machine...)
[10:16] <cousteau> But yeah, whenever possible I just ssh into the machine
[10:16] <cousteau> So it was solid advice actually
[10:26] <footprints> for goodness sakes!! peace on earth!!
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> can we help you footprints
[10:27] <footprints> sorry was watching too much news
[10:27] <footprints> i know the rules
[11:16] <pvl1> hello, i need some help with subiquity and curtin. dont seem to understand how to pass along a disablement of the resizefs step
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> pvl1: you might wanna try #ubuntu-server where the server experts gather
[11:21] <pvl1> figured i ought to start there as well, thanks!
[11:25] <Yakov> what is the most compact (small consuming app) virtualisation for Window XP on ubuntu
[11:55] <Polochon_street> hi! I'm trying to associate a certain mime type with firefox snap (in 23.04) with a specific program, through "System Handler". I put a desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/program.desktop, and did xdg-mime program.desktop default my-mime/mime, but I still get "no application found"
[11:57] <Polochon_street> when clicking on the "find packages...", it looks for the exact same mime type I entered as xdg-mime default, so I'd assume this part is right at least
[12:03] <ogra> Polochon_street, there is a mime cache in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/mimeinfo.cache ... (not sure how snapd handles it internally though)
[12:04] <ogra> ... perhaps just adding a line there is enough (though i suspect it will be re-generated on snap refreshes)
[12:08] <Polochon_street> hmm, is there a way to add stuff there permanently? Doesn't seem it cares the least about what I put in the /usr/share/applications/ folder
[12:11] <ogra> Polochon_street, i dont think there is, the data is likely obtained from the .desktop files during snap install an refresh and generated on the fly ... you could ask in forum.snapcraft.io though
[12:12] <Polochon_street> another solution would be to install non-snap firefox, I guess
[12:13] <ogra> sure, just note that it isnt supported here (or anywhere officially)
[12:14] <Polochon_street> true that
[12:16] <Polochon_street> but in theory, adding `my-mime/mime=program.desktop` in `/var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/mimeinfo.cache`, and putting my program.desktop in `/var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/program.desktop`, opening the link and using `System Handler` should work?
[12:16] <Polochon_street> because I still get `No application available` after clicking System Handler
[12:18] <ogra> well, snapd migh indeed do more during generaion of these files at install/refresh ... like updating any system caches etc
[12:29] <Quark> For machines built with MAAS, but later taken out of the scope of it (moved the different subnets, not under MAAS management), what does it needs to happen so that they get IP from a different DHCP (not MAAS DHCP)?
[12:33] <ogra> Quark, probably #ubuntu-server is the better channel for such a question ...
[12:51] <Quark> Thanks okra.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:49] <otisolsen70> I am trying to make a network service available to the internet on an OCI instance with Ubuntu. I have added an iptables rule to allow port 8000 (-A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 8000 -j ACCEPT) but nc -vvz myserver 8000 gives timeout. Shouldnt this work? Full iptables -L INPUT here: https://paste.yt/p25212.html
[13:50] <leftyfb> otisolsen70: can you access it if you temporarily flush all iptables rules?
[13:51] <otisolsen70> leftyfb, that is iptables -F INPUT, right?
[13:52] <leftyfb> I usually just run sudo iptables -F
[13:52] <leftyfb> but yeah
[13:55] <_ELFrederich> Err:8 https://package.perforce.com/apt/ubuntu jammy InRelease
[13:55] <_ELFrederich>   The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 7123CB760FF18869 Perforce Software (Package Signing) <support+packaging@perforce.com>
[13:56] <_ELFrederich> Did perforce change their GPG key?  Something like that I'd think there'd be an announcement right?  That's a big deal... or they got hacked or something.
[13:56] <leftyfb> _ELFrederich: you'll need to contact perforce for support with their 3rd party repo. It looks like their key expired
[13:56] <oerheks> NOTICE: 14 August 2023 is the expiration date of the Perforce packaging key
[13:56] <oerheks> https://www.perforce.com/perforce-packages
[13:56] <oerheks> not our problem
[13:57] <oerheks> the fix is on their page, good luck!
[13:57] <_ELFrederich> oerheks, ahh... nice, thanks
[14:14] <otisolsen70> leftyfb, strange, I still get timeout after -F. So I guess somethign else is blocking....
[14:14] <otisolsen70> strange because it works on the other services I run...
[14:15] <oerheks> maybe your OCI panel?
[14:15] <leftyfb> otisolsen70: contact Oracle support
[14:18] <ArtfulDodger> Hey! On a fresh Ub 22.04 server I typed "sudo passwd" instead of "passwd" to change my pass. Hence, I created a password for root. I'd like to cleanup this, how do I revert back to the default?
[14:20] <leftyfb> ArtfulDodger: https://askubuntu.com/a/20453
[14:21] <ArtfulDodger> awesome ty leftyfb :)
[14:21] <leftyfb> ArtfulDodger: I found it by searching for "ubuntu disable root password" on google
[14:21] <leftyfb> 3rd result
[14:22] <ArtfulDodger> I was not sure that was about disabling anything, I just wanted to revert to the default so I did not have the right keywords
[14:22] <otisolsen70> oerheks, I am not really sure what to look for, but I will try and see if OCI has something akin to NSGs on Azure
[16:19] <warmrobert> i accidentally ran a command locally meant for a remote machine that regenerated my initramfs with every possible module. on reboot the only way i can get to my ubuntu desktop is to get dropped at initramfs, running `cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 ubuntu--vg` `vgchange -ay` `exit` and then it prompts me for my disk unlock key and finishes boot
[16:19] <warmrobert> how can i make it do those 2 steps automatically and prompt for the password on bootup again
[16:20] <warmrobert> additionally there is already an entry in /etc/crypttab
[16:43] <ubuntu> hi
[16:43] <Guest887> ok
[16:44] <ianliu> Is it possible to make "xdotool key" to fire multimedia key events? Such as volume up?
[16:49] <ianliu> found it, xdotool key XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[16:51] <iomari891> greetings, I'm running low on disk space in my / folder. But I have plenty of space on another drive. How can I move my /snap folder to that drive to free up space?
[16:52] <iomari891> in theory, I want to move the folder then link it back to it's default location /snap.
[16:53] <oerheks> the fix is on their page, https://www.perforce.com/perforce-packages
[16:53] <oerheks> oops
[16:53] <iomari891> oerheks: is that for me?
[16:55] <oerheks> no?
[16:55] <oerheks> i find no solution to move snaps, even with bind it gives errors?
[16:57] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #snappy
[16:58] <iomari891> I'll try to boot to a usb live distro then do the move/link and see if it blows up.
[17:13] <rfm> iomari891, I think /snap is just a mountpoint for the various squashfs files.  All the actual space is consumed in /var/lib/snapd, that's what you'd need to move.
[18:31] <flips^>  Freshly installed 22.04/jammy. i5 PC, shrinked win10 partition, created a small 2 M part for BIOS boot and 35 GB for Ubuntu. Installed fine. EFI partition (sda1) mounted to /boot/efi, in /boot/efi/EFI I see ubuntu dir in addition to Microsoft. During boot I never see grub. F10 for boot menu, I can select the second SATA03 entry and ubuntu boots straight away (no grub). In BIOS elsewhere and
[18:31] <flips^> Windows boot order thingie, I don't see Ubuntu
[18:47] <tomreyn> flips^: it's not clear whether you installed ubuntu in uefi mode or bios mode, and how you want it to be installed / booting. or really what the issue is you're trying to solve or the question you're asking.
[19:05] <flips^> The disk is GPT, I want to run Ubuntu, but didn't want to remove Win10. Now the user has to press F10 for boot options to boot ubuntu. I tried grub-install /dev/sda, no help
[19:21] <flips^> So the question is what I can try to get GRUB loading on this PC ... (Usually the installer does this fine, and my knowledge is dated/mostly limited to how MBR works)
[19:28] <oerheks> why nott installing ubuntu in uefi mode? it uses the same EFI partition as your windows ..
[19:28] <oerheks> !uefi
[19:29] <flips^> oerheks: Didn't I do that? Thought I selected for ubuntu to coexist ...
[19:31] <oerheks> why the seperate bios partion?
[19:31] <sarnold> overseasons: any chance you can fix your connection?
[19:32] <oerheks> tomreyn asked the same, this is not clear
[19:32] <flips^> oerheks: The installer said I needed a biosgrub partition, complained, I had no idea why ;-p
[19:32] <oerheks> maybe you *did*  start in uefi mode, but then you need to switch every time you boot.
[19:33] <oerheks> ehm you made those partitions, the installer could have found the efi one, if you have booted the iso in uefi
[19:33] <flips^> I tried only making one partition, then the installer complained
[19:33] <flips^> EFI partition existed all the time ...
[19:35] <flips^> I can do a clean install again ... so remove the 2 MB BIOS boot and linux part and leave empty space?
[19:35] <oerheks> not sure why it does not fin the existing efi .. disable secure boot temporary?
[19:36] <oerheks> c/fin/efi
[19:36]  * oerheks turns on desklight
[19:36] <flips^> Secure boot is disabled. And Windows fast boot
[19:37] <oerheks> oke
[19:38] <tomreyn> "The installer said I needed a biosgrub partition" - if this is so, it would mean the installer was booted in bios mode, and the install was pointed to a disk with GPT partition table.
[19:39] <oerheks> are you in ubuntu now? to check if you did efi;    [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in UEFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode"
[19:39] <oerheks> tomreyn, yeah, i suspect that too
[19:42] <flips^> currently booted from the usb installer, so check if /sys/firmware/efi exists in the linux root partition ... booting into it again, nope, no /sys/firmware/efi there
[19:43] <oerheks> oke, you started in legacy
[19:43] <flips^> So, need to recreate install medium. I used the mentioned/recommended Windows tool. Option was only UEFI or BIOS mode, IIRC ...
[19:44] <flips^> Can I just dd the ISO to the USB again, or need to read up on creating UEFI mode booter?
[19:45] <oerheks> check the manual howto force to boot in EFI mode.. maybe your screen shows a boot option hotkey
[19:47] <flips^> If I see /sys/firmware/efi when booted from the USB, I should be good?
[19:48] <tomreyn> from the installer usb? yes then.
[19:48] <oerheks> no, that is not valid. only when you boot from an installed system
[19:48] <oerheks> oh?
[19:49] <tomreyn> well it means the installer was booted in uefi mode, and that's the requirement for installing in uefi mode?
[19:49] <flips^> Think I was able to get BIOS to UEFI boot the USB device ... Opening shell after booted shows the efi dir in firmware ... Then I'm removing the partitions and retrying ...
[19:55] <throwthecheese> How do I jail my cursor? I'm trying to make touch-scrolling available on Zotero using touchegg and xdotool but I can't seem to avoid selecting text while scrolling
[20:00] <flips^> tomreyn / oerheks and it works! Thanks, guys! :)
[20:00] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[20:02] <oerheks> have fuN!
[20:16] <steve> Stupid question: I've never used a desktop environment on linux - I've only used terminal. I'm working with ubuntu and gnome for the first time - how do I start a terminal within gnome? Is there a terminal app?
[20:18] <oerheks> ctrl alt t
[20:18] <leftyfb> steve: hit the start/super key and type: terminal
[20:18] <leftyfb> or CTRL+ALT+T
[20:18] <oerheks> if you browse through programms, you find terminal, or type the searchbox
[20:19] <leftyfb> you can open it like every other program (firefox, editor, etc)
[20:19] <sarnold> there's a few other keyboard shortcuts listed on https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en -- but I'm dissapointed it didn'tlist this one, I wonder how much of it is right
[20:20] <oerheks> ctrl shift t : to open a tab in your browser again
[20:35] <dkt_> ok call you in 10 minutes
[20:49] <steve> I can't figure out how to even open the search. I'm using VNC and none of my mac metas seem to be going through.
[20:49] <steve> Interestingly, I open a file browser window and click "Open in Terminal" and it just does nothing
[20:50] <steve> Is it possible that I don't have a gui terminal app installed?
[20:50] <leftyfb> steve: it's because you're trying hot-keys on a mac over vnc
[20:51] <steve> Yeah, I assumed that was the case
[20:51] <steve> This is an ubuntu install on AWS
[20:51] <leftyfb> why?
[20:52] <leftyfb> steve: why run a GUI on a remote AWS instance?
[20:52] <steve> So there's a good chance I didn't install all the right stuff
[20:53] <steve> I'm working on a python project that involves tkinter and the mac version of tkinter (and all of the other libs that I need) leaves a lot to be desired
[20:53] <leftyfb> steve: why not run Ubuntu in a VM on your local machine?
[20:53] <steve> So I figured I'd just spin up a VM
[20:53] <steve> Because I don't want my macbook to become a toaster :p
[20:54] <leftyfb> I run VM's on my XPS 13 just fine
[20:54] <oerheks> then use the menu, as 3 people told you
[20:54] <steve> Also space constraints
[20:54] <steve> oerheks: there's no terminal listed in the menu
[20:55] <leftyfb> then you didn't install a standard Ubuntu desktop
[20:55] <oerheks> then contact your aws friends
[20:56] <leftyfb> steve: if you can get to a tty, then try installing gnome-terminal
[20:56] <steve> Says it's at latest version already
[20:57] <steve> And by the looks of it, the AMI I used was (mistakenly) unbuntu server
[20:59] <oerheks> so, it is in your menu
[21:00] <steve> No, it's definitely not.
[21:00] <oerheks> oke, then it is not an ubuntu issue, but aws. good luck!
[21:00] <mitchdz> steve: do you still need help? I've installed a graphical instance on AWS EC2 before and can compare the setup.
[21:01] <oerheks> mitchdz, a desktop on aws surely shows terminal.
[21:04] <steve> mitchdz: no need ATM - I'm going to switch to a proper ubuntu desktop AMI
[21:04] <steve> Thank you though
[21:04] <mitchdz> Sounds good
[21:11] <Guest81> hello
[21:12] <Guest81> I've a question
[21:12] <Guest81> My computer runs python3.9
[21:12] <Guest81> I want to use 3.10 for development work
[21:12] <Guest81> how do I do this without bricking my system unexpectedly
[21:14] <oerheks> on what ubuntu version?
[21:16] <oerheks> it is available for 22.04 LTS https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.10
[21:16] <oerheks> install it, then run sudo update-alternatives --config python
[21:16] <Guest81> currently on 20.04
[21:16] <Guest81> should I should upgrade to 22.04
[21:16] <oerheks> oh sorry,, no go
[21:16] <Guest81> *should I just
[21:16] <oerheks> yes please
[21:17] <leftyfb> Guest81: Ubuntu 20.04 has python3 version 3.8.2, not 3.9
[21:17] <leftyfb> Guest81: either way, you could just run Ubuntu 22.04 in an LXD container
[21:17] <oerheks> there is deadnakes ppa with 3.10 for focal, but do not use that
[21:18] <Guest81> that sounds like an unnecessary level of complication
[21:18] <leftyfb> Guest81: lxc launch ubuntu:22.04 myfirstcontainer
[21:18] <Guest81> I was thinking of deadsnakes but that seems rather meh
[21:19] <oerheks> glad i could give that warning. that is, if you want to produce sane development
[21:36] <joseph1> evening: Since kernel 6.2 update im getting errors on boot.
[21:38] <jeremy31> joseph1: boot in a 5.15 kernel, then remove linux-generic-hwe-22.04 and the newer kernels
[21:39] <joseph1> jeremy31,  do i need to re-install 5.15 ?
[21:41] <jeremy31> joseph1: 5.15 would be package linux-image-generic
[21:41] <joseph1> synaptic uninstalls old kernels by its design.
[21:43] <joseph1> so , installing 5.15 - then uninstalling hwe 22.04 will fix this ?
[21:44] <jeremy31> You may have to remove some 5.19/6.2 kernels with Synaptic
[21:44] <joseph1> ic - maybe.
[21:45] <joseph1> After playing musical kernels with the inception of 6.2 sure has my head spinning.
[21:45] <jeremy31> Been a couple years since I did it, I removed the hwe kernel package when I installed 22.04
[21:45] <joseph1> it did it automaticaally, i tried that manually.
[21:46] <joseph1> I tried 5.15 hwe and it was missing in synaptic
[21:48] <jeremy31> 5.15 should be linux-image-generic
[21:49] <joseph1> ok - install 5.15 generic - then - un install hwe 22.04 ??
[21:50] <joseph1> why wont cononical do that in an update ?
[21:50] <jeremy31> You should reboot into 5.15 before removing
[21:51] <joseph1> i know. ya.
[21:52] <joseph1> should i un install nvidia 535 before transition ?
[21:56] <joseph1> lol - who screwed up.
[21:57] <joseph1> some one did and no-one is saying a word.
[21:57] <oerheks>  before transition?
[21:58] <joseph1> yes - before changing kernels and hwe.
[21:58] <oerheks> no need for uninstall, i guess
[21:59] <tomreyn> https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449#how-do-i-switch-from-the-hwe-to-the-ga-stack
[21:59] <joseph1> nice thanks.
[22:00] <joseph1> so -were back to GA ?
[22:00] <tomreyn> that's what you wanted, right?
[22:01] <joseph1> i guess - not too sure - if 6.2 depends on hew - how does that effect updates
[22:02] <joseph1> ill give it a shot - thanks for your help.
[22:06] <diamat> hi
[22:06] <oerheks> :-)
[22:14] <joseph1> That did the trick - thanks people.
[22:15] <joseph1> chow.
[23:35] <joseph1> Thanks fellas - That worked.
[23:35] <oerheks> :-)
[23:36] <joseph1> Now - i need to - un-install nvidias site drivers so i can re--claim my m.2
[23:37] <joseph1> im scared to run the un-installer.
[23:37] <joseph1> lol
[23:38] <joseph1> 535
[23:40] <joseph1> I guess i need to procure protocol - wish me luck - el-oh-el.
[23:40] <joseph1> chow.
[23:45] <joseph1> I know: but : - I have a new win 11 install - i installed ubuntu and it borked the boot loader - no - i dont have a disk.
[23:45] <joseph1> on another hd.
[23:45] <oerheks> unlikely ubuntu did that.
[23:46] <joseph1> intersting
[23:46] <oerheks> and one can download the windows iso from the  microsoft site
[23:47] <joseph1> i have a so called pirtaed disk.. who knows. -- if i dl the win11.. will that change the owner ??
[23:47] <oerheks> ps=prober is disabled from some time now, maybe that is why grub does not see windows. for security reasons
[23:48] <oerheks> pirated?
[23:48] <joseph1> exactly
[23:48] <joseph1> maybe
[23:48] <oerheks> hahahahhahaha
[23:48] <joseph1> idk
[23:48] <joseph1> right lol
[23:48] <oerheks> good lucj
[23:48] <joseph1> hahaha
[23:48] <oerheks> c/luck
[23:48] <joseph1> whatever
[23:49] <oerheks> no seriously, your licence is in your bios stored, unless you wiped keys
[23:49] <joseph1> it was working till - i several times denied theur cloud version.
[23:50] <joseph1> I hate modern bios
[23:50] <joseph1> wait- this is on a 2013 g600 dell bios
[23:51] <joseph1> well, used to be - i transfered it from a gigabyte with a i3
[23:52] <joseph1> who knows
[23:52] <oerheks> yes, uefi capable https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04272032
[23:53] <joseph1> reads
[23:54] <joseph1> ill reaearch it.. thanks oerheks
[23:54] <joseph1> have a super day ubuntu heros.
[23:54] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:54] <joseph1> Rock-On !!